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Don Jr., who has always been one of my favorites of the Trump spokespeople, has now taken the position that Anheuser Busch should not be treated too harshly for  their willingness to exploit pro-transgenderism as a marketing ploy. Moreover, Jr. believes transgenderism is really no big deal, if you're over 18.
 
Added, Donald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney - the quintessential pro-homo/woke corporation - just so he could hurl criticisms at DeSantis. How is this approach helping the conservative cause?

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/life-comes-at-you-fast/msg504226/#new

Real easy. THE TRUMPS ARE BUSINESSMEN, NOT POLITICIANS.  Of course they are going to favor corporations over the Political class whom they have had their issues with over the years in uber corrupt New York City of all places. Look at what is happening to Trump himself, a petty political punk Alvin Bragg is prosecuting persecuting him over supposed BUSINESS VIOLATIONS. Why do you think the Marxists were so adamant about his tax returns? So they could attack his businesses, fine tooth comb every little detail and then turn around and mess with those businesses.

DeSantis feud with Disney is along the same lines. DeSantis is making a bad move & came out with a downright stupid idea putting a Prison Next to a family & Child oriented Theme park...Really Bro?

Here is the deal. In a free market capitalist system, we the consumer get to decide who stays in the money and who doesn't. Budweiser is finding that out, Disney is finding that out with the recent failures at the box office. We the people will decide what happens to these companies and its coming to fruition.

Quote from: Solar on April 19, 2023, 08:43:29 PMhttps://conservativepoliticalforum.com/news-board/life-comes-at-you-fast/msg504226/#new

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Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 07:16:48 AM????

The article was already posted.

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 07:17:35 AMThe article was already posted.

I added Don Jr.s recap and coupled it with Trump's recent siding with Disney to attack DeSantis to ask a perplexing question. Why the sudden softening on wokeism as a means to counter a political opponent?  What kind of strategy is this?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 20, 2023, 06:49:45 AMReal easy. THE TRUMPS ARE BUSINESSMEN, NOT POLITICIANS.  Of course they are going to favor corporations over the Political class whom they have had their issues with over the years in uber corrupt New York City of all places. Look at what is happening to Trump himself, a petty political punk Alvin Bragg is prosecuting persecuting him over supposed BUSINESS VIOLATIONS. Why do you think the Marxists were so adamant about his tax returns? So they could attack his businesses, fine tooth comb every little detail and then turn around and mess with those businesses.

DeSantis feud with Disney is along the same lines. DeSantis is making a bad move & came out with a downright stupid idea putting a Prison Next to a family & Child oriented Theme park...Really Bro?

Here is the deal. In a free market capitalist system, we the consumer get to decide who stays in the money and who doesn't. Budweiser is finding that out, Disney is finding that out with the recent failures at the box office. We the people will decide what happens to these companies and its coming to fruition.

The left should learn that the "Good ol' boys" may talk slow, but they think fast and have power.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 20, 2023, 06:49:45 AMReal easy. THE TRUMPS ARE BUSINESSMEN, NOT POLITICIANS.  Of course they are going to favor corporations over the Political class whom they have had their issues with over the years in uber corrupt New York City of all places. Look at what is happening to Trump himself, a petty political punk Alvin Bragg is prosecuting persecuting him over supposed BUSINESS VIOLATIONS. Why do you think the Marxists were so adamant about his tax returns? So they could attack his businesses, fine tooth comb every little detail and then turn around and mess with those businesses.

DeSantis feud with Disney is along the same lines. DeSantis is making a bad move & came out with a downright stupid idea putting a Prison Next to a family & Child oriented Theme park...Really Bro?

Here is the deal. In a free market capitalist system, we the consumer get to decide who stays in the money and who doesn't. Budweiser is finding that out, Disney is finding that out with the recent failures at the box office. We the people will decide what happens to these companies and its coming to fruition.

Let me just make a simple statement and tell me if you agree.
American people are up against two entities whose combined powers seek to take away their freedoms and destroy their independence. They are, America's Federal Govt. & Large Corporate America.  These are feverishly working hand-in-glove to create a fascist state.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 08:26:16 AMLet me just make a simple statement and tell me if you agree.
American people are up against two entities whose combined powers seek to take away their freedoms and destroy their independence. They are, America's Federal Govt. & Large Corporate America.  These are feverishly working hand-in-glove to create a fascist state.

If you amend that to read Certain entities of Large Corporate America and include several State and Local Govts, then I agree.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 20, 2023, 10:23:38 AMIf you amend that to read Certain entities of Large Corporate America and include several State and Local Govts, then I agree.

Would agree with that amendment.

But it begs another question. Why side with Disney & Anhauser Busch, who're clearly on the side of 'wokeism?'

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 10:41:08 AMWould agree with that amendment.

But it begs another question. Why side with Disney & Anhauser Busch, who're clearly on the side of 'wokeism?'

QuoteDonald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney

I suppose you can back that up with a link, where President Trump said that?

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 10:41:08 AMWould agree with that amendment.

But it begs another question. Why side with Disney & Anhauser Busch, who're clearly on the side of 'wokeism?'

What I am seeing on Trump's opinion with Disney/DeSantis, is DeSantis underplayed his hand. In no way am I seeing Trump taking up for Disney.

QuoteA day after DeSantis vowed to retaliate against the Mickey Mouse corporation for its supposed "woke" policies, Trump accused the Florida governor of overplaying his hand.

"[DeSantis] is being absolutely destroyed by Disney." Trump wrote on his social media site. "His original P.R. plan fizzled, so now he's going back with a new one in order to save face."

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-trump-trashes-desantis-disney-stunt-20230418-2x43pehulndyrbazgehoi65zfa-story.html

QuoteTrump predicted that Disney would respond by scaling back job-boosting investment in the Sunshine State.

"Watch! That would be a killer," Trump added. "This is all so unnecessary, a political STU

QuoteDeSantis launched his feud with Disney months ago after the media giant criticized his signature "Don't Say Gay" law that limits discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in Florida schools.

He used his control of the state legislature to engineer a takeover of a special municipal district that allowed Disney to act as a quasi local government in its home turf near Orlando.

But Disney outflanked him by passing a series of restrictive rules that prevent any major changes for decades.

DeSantis on Monday upped the ante by suggesting he would target Disney for inspections of its rides and even build a new prison near its child-friendly tourism Mecca.

I understand you are in DeSantis's corner. But if you are looking to score points here, this really is a poor choice to use.

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 11:04:07 AMI suppose you can back that up with a link, where President Trump said that?

C'mon, Solar, you're better than a'gotcha' type response. No said that's what Trump said. But what many headlines (and you can take your pick) are sayin is the obvious, That Trump chose to criticize DeSantis over Disney.  Are you ok with Disney and their woke policies? Who's more of a threat to American families, DeSantis or Disney's agenda to peddle their 'woke agenda' To kids? 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 12:47:30 PMC'mon, Solar, you're better than a'gotcha' type response. No said that's what Trump said. But what many headlines (and you can take your pick) are sayin is the obvious, That Trump chose to criticize DeSantis over Disney.  Are you ok with Disney and their woke policies? Who's more of a threat to American families, DeSantis or Disney's agenda to peddle their 'woke agenda' To kids?

It wasn't a gotcha, I specifically asked you to prove the President said:

"Donald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney".

As to Disney, DeSantis got caught using politics/Govt in dealing Disney by threatening to build a state prison next to Walt Disney.

Disney pedo aside, is this how you want govt treating private businesses?
You're either for smaller Govt, or you're not. I hate what Disney has done as much as the next guy, but there are many more ways to deal with this shit than using govt as a weapon.

Quote from: Possum on April 20, 2023, 12:38:53 PMWhat I am seeing on Trump's opinion with Disney/DeSantis, is DeSantis underplayed his hand. In no way am I seeing Trump taking up for Disney.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-trump-trashes-desantis-disney-stunt-20230418-2x43pehulndyrbazgehoi65zfa-story.html

I understand you are in DeSantis's corner. But if you are looking to score points here, this really is a poor choice to use.

Ok, you'll call it political gamesmanship, and I'll call it appeasing the enemy when it serves a political purpose. So, we'll disagree. As for all the current political headlines,I fully expected them and anticipate much more like 'em in the future. This is what it's gonna take to show me DeSantis is no Scott Walker, so I welcome them.

We, see all this through a different political prism. You say DeSantis underplayed his hand, but I say, DeSantis can not only take a setback, but get back up fighting and strike a serious blow back. That's called having the courage of your convictions -keeping in the fight no matter what others think.

Disappointed that you'd think me someone who feels the need to 'go along to get along'. But you don't know me or what credo I live by. So I guess I shouldn't blame you.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 01:22:58 PMOk, you'll call it political gamesmanship, and I'll call it appeasing the enemy when it serves a political purpose. So, we'll disagree. As for all the current political headlines,I fully expected them and anticipate much more like 'em in the future. This is what it's gonna take to show me DeSantis is no Scott Walker, so I welcome them.

We, see all this through a different political prism. You say DeSantis underplayed his hand, but I say, DeSantis can not only take a setback, but get back up fighting and strike a serious blow back. That's called having the courage of your convictions -keeping in the fight no matter what others think.

Disappointed that you'd think me someone who feels the need to 'go along to get along'. But you don't know me or what credo I live by. So I guess I shouldn't blame you.

There is no need to try to read between my lines. I'm not shy and will tend to say what I am thinking. I was all for DeSantis hitting disney right in the old tax pocket. Problem was, he did not do his homework, or anticipate the next move from them. It's ok, it was just Disney, not China, I guarantee he learned something. I still have hope for DeSantis in the future, maybe '28. 

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 01:06:29 PMIt wasn't a gotcha, I specifically asked you to prove the President said:

"Donald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney".



As to Disney, DeSantis got caught using politics/Govt in dealing Disney by threatening to build a state prison next to Walt Disney.

Disney pedo aside, is this how you want govt treating private businesses?
You're either for smaller Govt, or you're not. I hate what Disney has done as much as the next guy, but there are many more ways to deal with this shit than using govt as a weapon.

Again, no one said " the President said". I said it, because it's obvious. And there's a myriad of articles holding to that same opinion. 
"Pedo aside" is a non sequitur It's at the very core of why DeSantis took the action(s) he did.
  I think you'd better so some homework on what is or isn't constitutional in Fla. DeSantis is too knowledgeable & too conservative to govern like a leftist.  What he did was act within his boundaries to bitch-slap Disney financially. Guarantee it will help to discourage future corporate meddling through unwanted solicitations affecting the lives of Fla. families. 

DeSantis knows all too well that Govt. & Corporations have a fascist agenda.

Quote from: Possum on April 20, 2023, 01:37:34 PMThere is no need to try to read between my lines. I'm not shy and will tend to say what I am thinking. I was all for DeSantis hitting disney right in the old tax pocket. Problem was, he did not do his homework, or anticipate the next move from them. It's ok, it was just Disney, not China, I guarantee he learned something. I still have hope for DeSantis in the future, maybe '28. 

I think he did his home work. Due-diligence is when you know and respect the enemy's cunning enough to have a 2nd plan of action in place. I don't believe DeSantis was, or is worried about what Disney's next move is going to be. And no one knows better than DeSantis that there's probably no better corporate legal counsel on the planet than those that have Disney's interest. But, we shall see.

And sure "he learned something". And showed something too. He's a quick study, which is why I expect much of him. 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 02:41:42 PMI think he did his home work. Due-diligence is when you know and respect the enemy's cunning enough to have a 2nd plan of action in place. I don't believe DeSantis was, or is worried about what Disney's next move is going to be. And no one knows better than DeSantis that there's probably no better corporate legal counsel on the planet than those that have Disney's interest. But, we shall see.

And sure "he learned something". And showed something too. He's a quick study, which is why I expect much of him. 

If he is going to play on the world stage, he damn sure better be anticipating next moves. We have someone in the white house now who can't, and it is not turning out very well. "He learns from his mistakes" is not the best campaign slogan. I am surprised for someone who has been in politics for as along as he has, he did not see this coming. 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 02:12:32 PMAgain, no one said " the President said". I said it, because it's obvious. And there's a myriad of articles holding to that same opinion.

This is why I called you out. It was a blatant lie, and that will not stand on this forum.
In the future be sure and point out "IMO" that it is your belief. A shit load of people come to this forum so they can help formulate their own opinions, Based on Truths. Got it?
 

Quote"Pedo aside" is a non sequitur It's at the very core of why DeSantis took the action(s) he did.
  I think you'd better so some homework on what is or isn't constitutional in Fla. DeSantis is too knowledgeable & too conservative to govern like a leftist.

Being in Florida's Constitution doesn't necessarily make it Right, and just because he has a ton of lawyers finding loopholes, does not in anyway equate to Conservatism.

Hade you ever bothered to read the article I posted from 2019 about DeSantis, you'd actually know he's not a true Conservative. If anything, more of an Establishment opportunist.

QuoteWhat he did was act within his boundaries to bitch-slap Disney financially. Guarantee it will help to discourage future corporate meddling through unwanted solicitations affecting the lives of Fla. families. 

DeSantis knows all too well that Govt. & Corporations have a fascist agenda.

Yet using govt to attack business, is the literal definition of fascist!
I can do this all day!

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 04:13:26 PMI can do this all day!

Think we both can. But that's not why I come to this board.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 05:59:13 PMThink we both can. But that's not why I come to this board.

Then why did you come?
The idea is to put forth your best argument, explain why your ideas and methods are superior.

You see, I was actually born a Conservative, this isn't something I figured out later on in life. Free Mkt has always been my guide, small govt to protect my ventures, not inhibit them.
My values are grounded in Gods Law and the Laws of Natures God, basically like our founders saw it, no deviations.

But you want to claim business is fascist in its approach, while believing govt has the Right to Stifel business' you don't like.
That's literally antithetical to our Constitution.

I'm certain I'm Right.

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 06:39:53 PMThen why did you come?
The idea is to put forth your best argument, explain why your ideas and methods are superior.

You see, I was actually born a Conservative, this isn't something I figured out later on in life. Free Mkt has always been my guide, small govt to protect my ventures, not inhibit them.
My values are grounded in Gods Law and the Laws of Natures God, basically like our founders saw it, no deviations.

But you want to claim business is fascist in its approach, while believing govt has the Right to Stifel business' you don't like.
That's literally antithetical to our Constitution.

I'm certain I'm Right.

I've come because I'm familiar with this board, and know that this is one of the few places I'll get heart-felt passionate feedback from other patriots who know politics. But I've especially come to see if what and who I believe in stands up to the kind of scrutiny I know I'll get from resident posters here.

As for matters of govt. & business, a laissez faire policy is what brought this nation to industrial greatness,IMO. That's partly why Coolidge is one of my all time favorite presidents.
But many mega-corporations of today have crossed the boarders of capitalism and entered into the domain of corporatism. And that, the people or the politicians should never abide.
 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 08:51:17 PMI've come because I'm familiar with this board, and know that this is one of the few places I'll get heart-felt passionate feedback from other patriots who know politics. But I've especially come to see if what and who I believe in stands up to the kind of scrutiny I know I'll get from resident posters here.

As for matters of govt. & business, a laissez faire policy is what brought this nation to industrial greatness,IMO. That's partly why Coolidge is one of my all time favorite presidents.
But many mega-corporations of today have crossed the boarders of capitalism and entered into the domain of corporatism. And that, the people or the politicians should never abide.
 

Can you give a couple of examples of what you are talking about? IMHO, disney, microsoft, are pure evil. Bud was just stupid.

Totally agree, I think, on the laissez-faire attitude. I think the evil started not when the government played watchdog, but when they started picking winners and losers.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 10:41:08 AMWould agree with that amendment.

But it begs another question. Why side with Disney & Anhauser Busch, who're clearly on the side of 'wokeism?'

Side with business over Govt? Who is for more Govt overreach of businesses...thats right, commie leftist rats. This is why I supported Trump over all else. He is a BUSINESSMAN & NOT a politician. I am sick and tired of POLITICIANS & Former Generals being the Presidential pool. As for the "Wokeism" we the people are taking care of that just fine, hitting these people in the pocket book.

Here is another little newsflash. These companies even the "woke" ones contribute to BOTH PARTIES there may be some disparities to favor the DEMS but they do contribute to GOP as well.  The Point DJT is trying to make is Fking with Disney TOO MUCH is hitting yourself in the head with a hammer they pay mega buck taxes and employ thousands losing that tax base is going to cost DeSantis more ways the one.

So go ahead and poke the golden goose with a stick once in awhile but dont chop off his head.

I reiterate, suggesting a prison next to what is still a family oriented theme park is enormously stupid.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 08:51:17 PMI've come because I'm familiar with this board, and know that this is one of the few places I'll get heart-felt passionate feedback from other patriots who know politics. But I've especially come to see if what and who I believe in stands up to the kind of scrutiny I know I'll get from resident posters here.

As for matters of govt. & business, a laissez faire policy is what brought this nation to industrial greatness,IMO. That's partly why Coolidge is one of my all time favorite presidents.
But many mega-corporations of today have crossed the boarders of capitalism and entered into the domain of corporatism. And that, the people or the politicians should never abide.
 

It was for this reason the GOP stood so strong for mercantile, so as to protect industry from the evils of Governmental interference, taxes/laws etc. The Dims claimed to protect the little guy from industries abuse by use of govt power.
This process wandered from our Founders intended purpose early on, it was destined to fail.
In the early days this worked well but it pitted the merchant class against the people, but observers of history know quite well how their little scheme worked out and where we are today.

Now the entire system is rigged, Capitalism has been morphed into solid crony capitalism, where very wealthy entities have literally taken over global commerce while lining the pockets of Congress who do their bidding, in a move to takeover the world in the form of a new World Order.

Point is, no political party is going to save us, the future this evil entity has planned is clearly written.
First they need us pitted against one another after having destroyed our culture, then they come in as the only group who can save us from the mess they created. (Right out of the Marxist play book of "Divide and Conquer").

We are at THE Precipice, we either fight or die. This fight started by Trump requires a special leader, and the people know who that leader is.
So ask yourself why, the GOP is putting so much money into a competitor into the race?

I just showed you a slice of history and how both party's sold us out as a whole, yet you somehow believe the GOP still has our best interests in mind?

Please, give that some serious thought and put your emotion aside when viewing the two candidates and who their supporters are.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2023, 06:52:18 AMIt was for this reason the GOP stood so strong for mercantile, so as to protect industry from the evils of Governmental interference, taxes/laws etc. The Dims claimed to protect the little guy from industries abuse by use of govt power.
This process wandered from our Founders intended purpose early on, it was destined to fail.
In the early days this worked well but it pitted the merchant class against the people, but observers of history know quite well how their little scheme worked out and where we are today.

Now the entire system is rigged, Capitalism has been morphed into solid crony capitalism, where very wealthy entities have literally taken over global commerce while lining the pockets of Congress who do their bidding, in a move to takeover the world in the form of a new World Order.

Point is, no political party is going to save us, the future this evil entity has planned is clearly written.
First they need us pitted against one another after having destroyed our culture, then they come in as the only group who can save us from the mess they created. (Right out of the Marxist play book of "Divide and Conquer").

We are at THE Precipice, we either fight or die. This fight started by Trump requires a special leader, and the people know who that leader is.
So ask yourself why, the GOP is putting so much money into a competitor into the race?

I just showed you a slice of history and how both party's sold us out as a whole, yet you somehow believe the GOP still has our best interests in mind?

Please, give that some serious thought and put your emotion aside when viewing the two candidates and who their supporters are.

Sounds like we're on the same page as to where our political trajectory has been headed over the past few decades. And I too share the same sense of urgency as to how near we are to falling into the proverbial abyss. Inevitably, revolt becomes the only real solution. 

At the Federal level, I've directed my share of diatribe at the treachery of the RINO, which, IMO, happens to encompass a great percentage of the GOP. So,that would take in most of our entire Federal government. However, even with such numbers, I still abide by a greater wisdom than mine, which tells me to judge a tree by the fruit it bears, before making a final decision.

In short order, one way or the other, I'm going to get my answer about DeSantis before I make that "final decision."

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 21, 2023, 06:48:20 AMSide with business over Govt? Who is for more Govt overreach of businesses...thats right, commie leftist rats. This is why I supported Trump over all else. He is a BUSINESSMAN & NOT a politician. I am sick and tired of POLITICIANS & Former Generals being the Presidential pool. As for the "Wokeism" we the people are taking care of that just fine, hitting these people in the pocket book.

Here is another little newsflash. These companies even the "woke" ones contribute to BOTH PARTIES there may be some disparities to favor the DEMS but they do contribute to GOP as well.  The Point DJT is trying to make is Fking with Disney TOO MUCH is hitting yourself in the head with a hammer they pay mega buck taxes and employ thousands losing that tax base is going to cost DeSantis more ways the one.

So go ahead and poke the golden goose with a stick once in awhile but dont chop off his head.

I reiterate, suggesting a prison next to what is still a family oriented theme park is enormously stupid.

'Overreach is the operative word here.'  What did the FLa. Executive & Legislative actually do that was "overreach?"  Zip, zero, Nadia. Everything they did was in their rightful power. That's how you deal with oligarchs - in the pocketbook.

As for the "prison" talking point, read or listen to what DeSantis actually said in full context. Not only was "prison" (along with several other suggestions) applied as a verbal jab against Disney, but they were suggestions from others, not DeSantis himself.

Quote from: WMK on April 19, 2023, 02:41:58 PMDon Jr., who has always been one of my favorites of the Trump spokespeople, has now taken the position that Anheuser Busch should not be treated too harshly for  their willingness to exploit pro-transgenderism as a marketing ploy. Moreover, Jr. believes transgenderism is really no big deal, if you're over 18.

They likely have relationships at AB.  Not everyone there knew about or was on board with what happened.
 

QuoteAdded, Donald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney - the quintessential pro-homo/woke corporation - just so he could hurl criticisms at DeSantis. How is this approach helping the conservative cause?

Iger took over Disney recently, and they're moving away from woke shit.  It won't be overnight, apparently, but that ship is turning around.  CNN is an example of this happening under Discovery.

Quote from: WMK on April 21, 2023, 09:36:08 AM'Overreach is the operative word here.'  What did the FLa. Executive & Legislative actually do that was "overreach?"  Zip, zero, Nadia. Everything they did was in their rightful power. That's how you deal with oligarchs - in the pocketbook.

As for the "prison" talking point, read or listen to what DeSantis actually said in full context. Not only was "prison" (along with several other suggestions) applied as a verbal jab against Disney, but they were suggestions from others, not DeSantis himself.

Sad to see so many trumpists become woke corporate shills. Trump is the road to massive defeat

Quote from: ldub23 on April 22, 2023, 10:56:13 AMSad to see so many trumpists become woke corporate shills. Trump is the road to massive defeat

WTF are you talking about lib?

Quote from: ldub23 on April 22, 2023, 10:56:13 AMSad to see so many trumpists become woke corporate shills. Trump is the road to massive defeat

Seems to me most all MAGA voters are securely anchored in the belief that NO ONE but Donald Trump can possibly defeat the Democrat opposition. - Past Is Prologue - 

A greater fear I have is that if Trump does not prevail in the primaries, how many MAGA voters would put their support behind the (R) nominee??? 

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 11:58:48 AMSeems to me most all MAGA voters are securely anchored in the belief that NO ONE but Donald Trump can possibly defeat the Democrat opposition. - Past Is Prologue - 

A greater fear I have is that if Trump does not prevail in the primaries, how many MAGA voters would put their support behind the (R) nominee??? 

You just have a crappy attitude about everyone? If we don't jump on the bandwagon for DeSantis, you think we will vote for Biden?? Have you even read all the posts which stated WHY we are for Trump?  Hate to tell you, but we will vote for who we think is best for this country. Period.

Quote from: Possum on April 22, 2023, 12:20:47 PMYou just have a crappy attitude about everyone? If we don't jump on the bandwagon for DeSantis, you think we will vote for Biden?? Have you even read all the posts which stated WHY we are for Trump?  Hate to tell you, but we will vote for who we think is best for this country. Period.

Why be defensive about it? Why also jump to a conclusion no one suggested -MAGA would vote democrat or worse. And I purposely did not mention DeSantis by name because I have no idea if he'll even be around.

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 11:58:48 AMSeems to me most all MAGA voters are securely anchored in the belief that NO ONE but Donald Trump can possibly defeat the Democrat opposition. - Past Is Prologue - 

A greater fear I have is that if Trump does not prevail in the primaries, how many MAGA voters would put their support behind the (R) nominee??? 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html

Quote from: Solar on April 22, 2023, 01:28:03 PMhttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html

Yup, he's in the catbird seat, for now.

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 01:08:51 PMWhy be defensive about it? Why also jump to a conclusion no one suggested -MAGA would vote democrat or worse. And I purposely did not mention DeSantis by name because I have no idea if he'll even be around.

I guess when you stated " all MAGA voters are securely anchored in the belief that NO ONE but Donald Trump can possibly defeat the Democrat opposition. - Past Is Prologue - " you were referring to Trump supporters. Obviously I was wrong. Who were you referring to??  :lol: 

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 02:40:50 PMYup, he's in the catbird seat, for now.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Us Trumpers are gonna' just switch to someone else later on?

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 02:40:50 PMYup, he's in the catbird seat, for now.

Not only is Trump in the lead, but if you looked at the chart, DeSantis numbers aren't improving whatsoever.

Quote from: taxed on April 22, 2023, 04:56:38 PM:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Us Trumpers are gonna' just switch to someone else later on?

Depends. Do you speak and act for ALL Trumpers?

Quote from: Solar on April 22, 2023, 07:42:52 PMNot only is Trump in the lead, but if you looked at the chart, DeSantis numbers aren't improving whatsoever.

Yes, it does show a bit of a dichotomy going on. But, Solar, I've been in the political trenches so long fighting uphill battles, that I tend to get nervous whenever things appear to look too good. :lol:

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 11:26:27 PMYes, it does show a bit of a dichotomy going on. But, Solar, I've been in the political trenches so long fighting uphill battles, that I tend to get nervous whenever things appear to look too good. :lol:

Ehhh, a dichotomy usually falls along an equal division and equating an rather equal separation, this, not so much. :lol:

Though, I do concur about winning, or rather, the GOP snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory. But see, that's the beauty of Trump.

Trump is the enemy of the Establishment Uniparty, and that is why his base is unwavering in his support, he is our General in the fight against these commies.

This is why I want you to question DeSantis and why his backers align with the NWO Uniparty, the enemy.

You do see this, Right?

You claim to have been in the "political trenches", then you should be fully aware of this tactical move, like Mitten, McStain, both great talkers, but both sellouts to the base, and this goes back decades.
Yet, here you are falling for it all over again?

Quote from: Solar on April 23, 2023, 06:56:20 AMEhhh, a dichotomy usually falls along an equal division and equating an rather equal separation, this, not so much. :lol:

Though, I do concur about winning, or rather, the GOP snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory. But see, that's the beauty of Trump.

Trump is the enemy of the Establishment Uniparty, and that is why his base is unwavering in his support, he is our General in the fight against these commies.

This is why I want you to question DeSantis and why his backers align with the NWO Uniparty, the enemy.

You do see this, Right?

You claim to have been in the "political trenches", then you should be fully aware of this tactical move, like Mitten, McStain, both great talkers, but both sellouts to the base, and this goes back decades.
Yet, here you are falling for it all over again?

I was also taking into account what's being said print along with that chart. But your point is well taken.

There are talkers, then there are doers! That's where the rubber meets the road for me. I disliked both of those senators immensely.

Just curious, do you go along with Trumps general claim, that Fla. is in bad shape under DeSantis?

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 08:53:53 AMI was also taking into account what's being said print along with that chart. But your point is well taken.

There are talkers, then there are doers! That's where the rubber meets the road for me. I disliked both of those senators immensely.

Just curious, do you go along with Trumps general claim, that Fla. is in bad shape under DeSantis?

Don't know, and I should care, why?

But I see you completely avoided my point about the UNI party using their oldest play in the book, that of pushing one of their own as a better choice.

This is why I pointed out McStain and Mitten, they too were pushed as the only way to stop the left, only in this case, they flipped the narrative, in that they are no longer in a position to bargain.

The base knows quite well what these Marxists are doing in pushing their handpicked candidate in hopes of unseating Trump.

How is it you can't see this? DeSantis is the Establishments last chance to take the Patriots candidate out.
It's blatantly obvious, yet here you are carrying water for these commies, why is that?

Quote from: Solar on April 23, 2023, 09:22:47 AMDon't know, and I should care, why?

But I see you completely avoided my point about the UNI party using their oldest play in the book, that of pushing one of their own as a better choice.

This is why I pointed out McStain and Mitten, they too were pushed as the only way to stop the left, only in this case, they flipped the narrative, in that they are no longer in a position to bargain.

The base knows quite well what these Marxists are doing in pushing their handpicked candidate in hopes of unseating Trump.

How is it you can't see this? DeSantis is the Establishments last chance to take the Patriots candidate out.
It's blatantly obvious, yet here you are carrying water for these commies, why is that?

I "avoided" your point because I see it as nothing more than conjecture - a subjective interpretation and connection of certain dots from past politics and automatically assuming the same applies here.

Your criticism of DeSantis primarily consist of who's backing him, rather than actions he's actually taken to promote and advance leftist ideals. You don't create the kind of national effect DeSantis did on the right by who's backing you. You cause that by dust-ups no one else is willing to have against the enemy and WINNING them.
The "Establishment may indeed be behind DeSantis for their own agenda. But, with me, that a given. Desantis will lead & push his own agenda, not theirs. His governance in Fla. already proved that to me.

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 11:07:37 AMI "avoided" your point because I see it as nothing more than conjecture - a subjective interpretation and connection of certain dots from past politics and automatically assuming the same applies here.

Your criticism of DeSantis primarily consist of who's backing him, rather than actions he's actually taken to promote and advance leftist ideals. You don't create the kind of national effect DeSantis did on the right by who's backing you. You cause that by dust-ups no one else is willing to have against the enemy and WINNING them.
The "Establishment may indeed be behind DeSantis for their own agenda. But, with me, that a given. Desantis will lead & push his own agenda, not theirs. His governance in Fla. already proved that to me.

OK, so you admit the Establishment is backing him, that's a start.
But Trump has proven leadership, while DeSantis only has executive, and a Legislature that supports him, without that, he'd be a no one.

Problem is, people don't want an untested candidate in world affairs, especially now with the NWO pushing global order. Nor would he have the backing of the GOP, a party that's proven they hate anyone interfering in their leftist agenda.
With that said, how is a guy with little support from the base going to govern, when he's beholden to the Uniparty?

Trump' financial support comes from the real Right, while DeSantis is beholden to the Marxists in the GOP, yet you still think he's his own man?

Have you learned nothing since the first Bush stepped into the WH and pronounced a New World Order?
Yeah, I'm with Possum on this, your Conservative claims are not that of a true Conservative.

Quote from: Solar on April 23, 2023, 11:33:31 AMOK, so you admit the Establishment is backing him, that's a start.
But Trump has proven leadership, while DeSantis only has executive, and a Legislature that supports him, without that, he'd be a no one.

Problem is, people don't want an untested candidate in world affairs, especially now with the NWO pushing global order. Nor would he have the backing of the GOP, a party that's proven they hate anyone interfering in their leftist agenda.
With that said, how is a guy with little support from the base going to govern, when he's beholden to the Uniparty?

Trump' financial support comes from the real Right, while DeSantis is beholden to the Marxists in the GOP, yet you still think he's his own man?

Have you learned nothing since the first Bush stepped into the WH and pronounced a New World Order?
Yeah, I'm with Possum on this, your Conservative claims are not that of a true Conservative.

Ok, so you've made your assessment(s) I can live with it.

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 11:56:52 AMOk, so you've made your assessment(s) I can live with it.

It wasn't meant as an insult, just an observation, but I can see how it might be construed as one.
Point is, after all these decades, you still can't see through the deceptions of the deep state, simply because you have an emotional bent towards Trump.

Conservatives don't run on emotion.

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 11:14:51 PMDepends. Do you speak and act for ALL Trumpers?

Yes!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 08:53:53 AMI was also taking into account what's being said print along with that chart. But your point is well taken.

There are talkers, then there are doers! That's where the rubber meets the road for me. I disliked both of those senators immensely.

Just curious, do you go along with Trumps general claim, that Fla. is in bad shape under DeSantis?

https://twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1649806606928887810

Quote from: taxed on April 23, 2023, 03:28:12 PMhttps://twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1649806606928887810

Trump's not gonna want to hear that. Better keep it under wraps.

Quote from: taxed on April 23, 2023, 03:26:00 PMYes!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Spoken like a true cultist! :thumbsup:

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 04:03:37 PMTrump's not gonna want to hear that. Better keep it under wraps.

It's the easiest cult to be part of, because I can win every single debate in defense of him and what he's done.  I can be my conservative pro-American self and never have to go back on my principles or sacrifice dignity in any way.

Quote from: taxed on April 23, 2023, 04:11:13 PMIt's the easiest cult to be part of, because I can win every single debate in defense of him and what he's done.  I can be my conservative pro-American self and never have to go back on my principles or sacrifice dignity in any way.

Haha. Sounds like you decided to take the blue pill. Good luck with all that.
 
 

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 04:38:58 PMHaha. Sounds like you decided to take the blue pill. Good luck with all that.
 

I took the red, white, and blue pill. If you're not in Trump's corner, you're the enemy. It's that simple.

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 11:14:51 PMDepends. Do you speak and act for ALL Trumpers?

We are not "Trumpers". We are Conservatives.

He just happens to be the hero we need.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on April 23, 2023, 05:27:27 PMWe are not "Trumpers". We are Conservatives.

He just happens to be the hero we need.

I don't doubt that MAGA voters are conservative or patriotic.
I should have put quotations on, "Trumpers" as it was a term someone else used.

Quote from: taxed on April 23, 2023, 04:46:24 PMI took the red, white, and blue pill. If you're not in Trump's corner, you're the enemy. It's that simple.

Careful. Pills can come with nasty side effects.

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 07:02:56 PMCareful. Pills can come with nasty side effects.

Not these pills.

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 06:55:18 PMI don't doubt that MAGA voters are conservative or patriotic.
I should have put quotations on, "Trumpers" as it was a term someone else used.

Conservatives are always being put down or insulted by lefties.

Quote from: taxed on April 23, 2023, 03:26:00 PMYes!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

True!!! As Walter Brennan used to say, "No Brag, Just Fact"

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 07:02:56 PMCareful. Pills can come with nasty side effects.

So, how's that RINO sized pill going?
Not that it matters, but since Trump was not only tested on the world stage, bringing our enemies to th bargaining table and getting what we needed to keep peace.

What is it about Trump's policies/successes that you despise so much, that you're willing to place an untested RINO backed candidate in his place?

Seriously, I'd really like to know what makes DeSantis so appealing?

Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2023, 05:14:36 AMSo, how's that RINO sized pill going?
Not that it matters, but since Trump was not only tested on the world stage, bringing our enemies to th bargaining table and getting what we needed to keep peace.

What is it about Trump's policies/successes that you despise so much, that you're willing to place an untested RINO backed candidate in his place?

Seriously, I'd really like to know what makes DeSantis so appealing?

No pills. I've natural immunity against R-I-N-O-I-T-I-S

Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all. Domestically, his pro-business actions are what got our economy humming along. And making us considerably energy independent was huge for me. As a self-employed person, I greatly appreciated all our economic advances.
Trump is also now justifiably the greatest pro-life president in the history of America because of the overturning of Roe vs Wade.

Now as for his antics on social media? It irked me because I thought it was stupid and unnecessary. But I overlooked it because how he governed is what really mattered to me. "Touchy/feely' I am not!
 
I believe where Trump failed miserably was in his apparent inability to make wise decisions in the hirings/firings that were needed to advance his agenda. He was never a staunch conservative at heart, so how could place a proper value on having them in numbers as team players? His enemies were powerful,trecherous and numerous.  But, they were NOT invincible. To combat this, the WH was filled with novices, secularists, agnostics, wall-streeters, , neocons, democrats, RINOs... And much of this pattern inadequate hiring/firing persisted throughout his term. Finally, in the end,  during his biggest challenge as POTUS-COVID, his inability or lack of fortitude in quickly dispatching or neutralizing healthcare bureaucrats and others opposed to what his initial senses were already telling about this situation, even after allowing for a "15-day curve", he failed to quickly make the necessary pivot, take charge and change course.
If Trump had backbone and the courage of his convictions, he'd still be president today, IMO. His margin of victory would have been large enough for leftists to ever consider stealing it away.

As for my assessment of Desantis, where Trump proved weak, DeSantis proved strong. The people DeSantis hired & fired were done with wise calculations. He could discern if they shared his conservative heart-felt where it mattered and hired them accordingly.Moreover, if someone or something went array, that source was dispatched or neutralized quickly.
His decisiveness on opening up Fla. during the earlier phases of COVId was a result of self-educating and having the courage of his convictions to act, even when vast majorities did not. Great leaders have the capacity to know their limitations, acknowledge mistakes and have the humility and courage to right them. 
These qualities and his achievements are what brought DeSantis to national prominence.  The measure of his achievements command the degree of respect from me to back him and disregard those dubious donors gravitating towards him, at least until I see otherwise.

Finally, DeSantis is about to enter the 'major league' of politics -the national arena. As to how he'll hold up as a mensch, I do not know for certain. But I have high expectations, though he's bound to get bloodied up a bit.

Scott Walker impressed me in Wisc. But, in my lifetime, I'd have to say DeSantis is the greatest governor I ever saw.

Quote from: WMK on April 24, 2023, 11:52:25 AMNo pills. I've natural immunity against R-I-N-O-I-T-I-S

Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all. Domestically, his pro-business actions are what got our economy humming along. And making us considerably energy independent was huge for me. As a self-employed person, I greatly appreciated all our economic advances.
Trump is also now justifiably the greatest pro-life president in the history of America because of the overturning of Roe vs Wade.

Now as for his antics on social media? It irked me because I thought it was stupid and unnecessary. But I overlooked it because how he governed is what really mattered to me. "Touchy/feely' I am not!
 
I believe where Trump failed miserably was in his apparent inability to make wise decisions in the hirings/firings that were needed to advance his agenda. He was never a staunch conservative at heart, so how could place a proper value on having them in numbers as team players? His enemies were powerful,trecherous and numerous.  But, they were NOT invincible. To combat this, the WH was filled with novices, secularists, agnostics, wall-streeters, , neocons, democrats, RINOs... And much of this pattern inadequate hiring/firing persisted throughout his term. Finally, in the end,  during his biggest challenge as POTUS-COVID, his inability or lack of fortitude in quickly dispatching or neutralizing healthcare bureaucrats and others opposed to what his initial senses were already telling about this situation, even after allowing for a "15-day curve", he failed to quickly make the necessary pivot, take charge and change course.
If Trump had backbone and the courage of his convictions, he'd still be president today, IMO. His margin of victory would have been large enough for leftists to ever consider stealing it away.

As for my assessment of Desantis, where Trump proved weak, DeSantis proved strong. The people DeSantis hired & fired were done with wise calculations. He could discern if they shared his conservative heart-felt where it mattered and hired them accordingly.Moreover, if someone or something went array, that source was dispatched or neutralized quickly.
His decisiveness on opening up Fla. during the earlier phases of COVId was a result of self-educating and having the courage of his convictions to act, even when vast majorities did not. Great leaders have the capacity to know their limitations, acknowledge mistakes and have the humility and courage to right them. 
These qualities and his achievements are what brought DeSantis to national prominence.  The measure of his achievements command the degree of respect from me to back him and disregard those dubious donors gravitating towards him, at least until I see otherwise.

Finally, DeSantis is about to enter the 'major league' of politics -the national arena. As to how he'll hold up as a mensch, I do not know for certain. But I have high expectations, though he's bound to get bloodied up a bit.

Scott Walker impressed me in Wisc. But, in my lifetime, I'd have to say DeSantis is the greatest governor I ever saw.

That really didn't say much at all despite being windy and full of mistruths and BS and Unicorn Fart Wishes.

Ever heard the saying, "you are, with whom you associate". We have a man that got N/K to stop threatening its neighbors, despite CCP control, and he gave up nothing.
And that's just one example of Trump dealing with foreign powers, but there isn't one incident anyone can point to that say's DeSantis would make a global leader, which is exactly what is needed at this time in history.

Trump knows the Deep State, the NWO controlled NATO war in Ukraine, he knows who he needs to talk to to end this bullshit. DeSantis?
Trump proved himself on the world stage, and in just a few short years the communists have run wild globally under DNC leadership.
Guess who shares those DNC values? RINO, yep, the part of the Uniparty that backs DeSantis. Remember: "you are, with whom you associate", and that select group is backing DeSantis over Trump. Why is that?

But the bigger question still remains, why are you backing the enemy of the US over a proven leader?
Don't give that MSM crap that somehow Trump weak, when he is being attacked from every angle by enemies of the US.

Two things would occur if DeSantis were to get the seat. One would be, either he is praised by the powers that be because he was a total sellout, or two, the left would eat him alive through his lack of inexperience.

You claim Trump chose badly? What do you suppose would happen to the guy when the RINO tells him who they want in his Cabinet?
At least Trump had a few good men he, himself, chose, but DeSantis wouldn't have a chance.
Why would you want to let the enemy have that much leverage over our Govt when we know for a fact that Trump has his sites on taking down the enemy and ending this Culture killing madness, once and for all.

DeSantis has nowhere the friends or global connections, yet you want a fuckin kid in the power seat?
No, your claim of Conservative is weak. You very much remind me of Ann Coulter.

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2023, 06:54:06 AMThat really didn't say much at all despite being windy and full of mistruths and BS and Unicorn Fart Wishes.

Ever heard the saying, "you are, with whom you associate". We have a man that got N/K to stop threatening its neighbors, despite CCP control, and he gave up nothing.
And that's just one example of Trump dealing with foreign powers, but there isn't one incident anyone can point to that say's DeSantis would make a global leader, which is exactly what is needed at this time in history.

Trump knows the Deep State, the NWO controlled NATO war in Ukraine, he knows who he needs to talk to to end this bullshit. DeSantis?
Trump proved himself on the world stage, and in just a few short years the communists have run wild globally under DNC leadership.
Guess who shares those DNC values? RINO, yep, the part of the Uniparty that backs DeSantis. Remember: "you are, with whom you associate", and that select group is backing DeSantis over Trump. Why is that?

But the bigger question still remains, why are you backing the enemy of the US over a proven leader?
Don't give that MSM crap that somehow Trump weak, when he is being attacked from every angle by enemies of the US.

Two things would occur if DeSantis were to get the seat. One would be, either he is praised by the powers that be because he was a total sellout, or two, the left would eat him alive through his lack of inexperience.

You claim Trump chose badly? What do you suppose would happen to the guy when the RINO tells him who they want in his Cabinet?
At least Trump had a few good men he, himself, chose, but DeSantis wouldn't have a chance.
Why would you want to let the enemy have that much leverage over our Govt when we know for a fact that Trump has his sites on taking down the enemy and ending this Culture killing madness, once and for all.

DeSantis has nowhere the friends or global connections, yet you want a fuckin kid in the power seat?
No, your claim of Conservative is weak. You very much remind me of Ann Coulter.

Why read into what I'm saying, rather than just read it at face value? I give credit to Trump on his foreign policies, "Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all",  yet you're compelled  to rant as if I didn't.

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

To untested novices and Trump knowing the "deep state"?  For cryin' out loud, the man doesn't even know his own son-in-law who became his chief advisor; Jared Kushner, a complete political novice who had no concept of prioritizing or delegating.  Either that or the probability that Trump did know Jared, but thought 'keeping it all in the family' was more important than placing a battle tested conservative in that position of power.  You make the choice.
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And as to your claim of Trump "ending this Culture killing madness", his current actions disprove that. Trump quickly succumbed to the need of siding with leftist corps. and political sycophants for personal political gain the moment he felt threatened. Which brings a question to mind; do you think Trump kisses or shakes hands with allies like Caitlyn Jenner at Mar a Logo? But I digress.

You've strongly suggested DeSantis is "the enemy" and I'm, at the least, complicit by supporting him over Trump in this primary.  So be it.  I'm becoming accustomed to that kind of response.
As to your criticisms of DeSantis the bulk of them amount to nothing more than a presupposed supposition predicated upon personal suspicions. In that respect, you also parrot on negatively about what might be or could be, and who's backing him,  rather than focus on pertinent issues like his current record(s), which reflect positive meaningful, accomplishments and building overwhelming public support in the 3rd biggest state of the Union.  And he's not done yet.

Contrast that with my criticisms of Trump, which are based on his overall past record as POTUS. Like DeSantis, I'm judging him on his accomplishment overall, not what could have been or would have been. Trump has a record, and in that record I listed his positives and negatives. Unfortunately,  my overall assessment found Trump to be wanting as a national leader. He's responsible for the direction of the country, and the performances of those chosen to be on his team. On the most important issues he governed like a pseudo conservative; lacking the necessary courage to stand by who and what was right, even to the end. This is how you build a united front, rather than "a house divided against itself..."

Quote from: WMK on April 25, 2023, 04:20:26 PMWhy read into what I'm saying, rather than just read it at face value? I give credit to Trump on his foreign policies, "Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all",  yet you're compelled  to rant as if I didn't.

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

To untested novices and Trump knowing the "deep state"?  For cryin' out loud, the man doesn't even know his own son-in-law who became his chief advisor; Jared Kushner, a complete political novice who had no concept of prioritizing or delegating.  Either that or the probability that Trump did know Jared, but thought 'keeping it all in the family' was more important than placing a battle tested conservative in that position of power.  You make the choice.
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And as to your claim of Trump "ending this Culture killing madness", his current actions disprove that. Trump quickly succumbed to the need of siding with leftist corps. and political sycophants for personal political gain the moment he felt threatened. Which brings a question to mind; do you think Trump kisses or shakes hands with allies like Caitlyn Jenner at Mar a Logo? But I digress.

You've strongly suggested DeSantis is "the enemy" and I'm, at the least, complicit by supporting him over Trump in this primary.  So be it.  I'm becoming accustomed to that kind of response.
As to your criticisms of DeSantis the bulk of them amount to nothing more than a presupposed supposition predicated upon personal suspicions. In that respect, you also parrot on negatively about what might be or could be, and who's backing him,  rather than focus on pertinent issues like his current record(s), which reflect positive meaningful, accomplishments and building overwhelming public support in the 3rd biggest state of the Union.  And he's not done yet.

Contrast that with my criticisms of Trump, which are based on his overall past record as POTUS. Like DeSantis, I'm judging him on his accomplishment overall, not what could have been or would have been. Trump has a record, and in that record I listed his positives and negatives. Unfortunately,  my overall assessment found Trump to be wanting as a national leader. He's responsible for the direction of the country, and the performances of those chosen to be on his team. On the most important issues he governed like a pseudo conservative; lacking the necessary courage to stand by who and what was right, even to the end. This is how you build a united front, rather than "a house divided against itself..."

Wow, you are completely clueless on this subject!
The Establishment/Uniparty/NWO is backing DeSantis for one reason, they know what Trump will do to their game, something they simply can't afford, because they know they all face prison when he's elected.

This election is far bigger than just a US election. The entre world relies on Trump ending the NWO takeover of the planet, and you think somehow DeSantis can fill Trump's shoes? He's a damn untested kid!

I don't even know how to get through to you, this is bigger than just a simple Presidential election, because unless we stop the NWO, we can kiss the US good bye.
And it is the NWO who is backing DeSantis, who hasn't even said he's running.

Am I getting through to you at all?

Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2023, 05:14:36 AMSo, how's that RINO sized pill going?
Not that it matters, but since Trump was not only tested on the world stage, bringing our enemies to th bargaining table and getting what we needed to keep peace.

What is it about Trump's policies/successes that you despise so much, that you're willing to place an untested RINO backed candidate in his place?

Seriously, I'd really like to know what makes DeSantis so appealing?

Trump is unelectable desantis is

Quote from: ldub23 on April 26, 2023, 08:01:12 AMTrump is unelectable desantis is

And still you have not posted one thing to back up your ludicrous assertions. Why is that?

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2023, 08:23:36 AMAnd still you have not posted one thing to back up your ludicrous assertions. Why is that?

He also thinks Jodi Arias is innocent.

Quote from: taxed on April 26, 2023, 11:14:33 AMHe also thinks Jodi Arias is innocent.

Emotions are a dangerous thing.

Quote from: ldub23 on April 26, 2023, 08:01:12 AMTrump is unelectable desantis is

To your line of thinking, it could be possible that's the indictments against Trump are merely to serve as a distraction to prevent DeSantis from having too much exposure. By keeping Trump front and center politics would be reduced to nothing more than kabuki theater - Heroes & Villians

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2023, 05:16:57 PMWow, you are completely clueless on this subject!
The Establishment/Uniparty/NWO is backing DeSantis for one reason, they know what Trump will do to their game, something they simply can't afford, because they know they all face prison when he's elected.

This election is far bigger than just a US election. The entre world relies on Trump ending the NWO takeover of the planet, and you think somehow DeSantis can fill Trump's shoes? He's a damn untested kid!

I don't even know how to get through to you, this is bigger than just a simple Presidential election, because unless we stop the NWO, we can kiss the US good bye.
And it is the NWO who is backing DeSantis, who hasn't even said he's running.

Am I getting through to you at all?

Not until you can give account for Trump's term as POTUS.

* COVID Pandemic: Tell me why Trump continued to let Birx/Fauci have an extended platform to spout their lying, authoritarian COVID agenda,  even after knowing about proven remedies and who really needed  isolation?

* Why sign off on a deal with big pharma deal (Operation Warp Speed) whose product wasn't properly tested? More so, why sweeten that deal by granting them full immunity from any legal challenges?
* And why continue to brag about OWS even after it became obvious its products were producing serious, even lethal side effects to thousands of Americans mandated to take them?
* Why tell MAGA supporters to take the jab even after they've booed you? 
* Why allow a complete novice to serve as your chief                           advisor-Jared Kushner? And what valuable policy input from Ivanka?
*  How did selecting a WH full of Goldman Sachs people (former RINO choices)  help to "drain the swamp"?
*  Why the public humiliation of your truest, staunchest conservative supporter who you made, AG - Jeff Sessions?  Did you not understand he had NO choice but to recuse himself from the 'investigation' because of his personal involvement in your presidential campaign?
* Why allow political enemies -deep state - to maintain positions of power once in the Oval Office?
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*  Why even now  side with woke corporations against a primary  candidate if they're "the enemy"? 
* Why do leftist outlets side with Trump over DeSantis more so now?
* Why did Trump so willingly show up in NY to be indicted?

Trump is no conservative, by any stretch of the imagination. You've even acknowledged that. So, I'll finally ask; How could he ever discern or govern like a conservative?

Quote from: WMK on April 27, 2023, 06:10:04 AMNot until you can give account for Trump's term as POTUS.

* COVID Pandemic: Tell me why Trump continued to let Birx/Fauci have an extended platform to spout their lying, authoritarian COVID agenda,  even after knowing about proven remedies and who really needed  isolation?

* Why sign off on a deal with big pharma deal (Operation Warp Speed) whose product wasn't properly tested? More so, why sweeten that deal by granting them full immunity from any legal challenges?
* And why continue to brag about OWS even after it became obvious its products were producing serious, even lethal side effects to thousands of Americans mandated to take them?
* Why tell MAGA supporters to take the jab even after they've booed you? 
* Why allow a complete novice to serve as your chief                           advisor-Jared Kushner? And what valuable policy input from Ivanka?
*  How did selecting a WH full of Goldman Sachs people (former RINO choices)  help to "drain the swamp"?
*  Why the public humiliation of your truest, staunchest conservative supporter who you made, AG - Jeff Sessions?  Did you not understand he had NO choice but to recuse himself from the 'investigation' because of his personal involvement in your presidential campaign?
* Why allow political enemies -deep state - to maintain positions of power once in the Oval Office?
*
*  Why even now  side with woke corporations against a primary  candidate if they're "the enemy"? 
* Why do leftist outlets side with Trump over DeSantis more so now?
* Why did Trump so willingly show up in NY to be indicted?

Trump is no conservative, by any stretch of the imagination. You've even acknowledged that. So, I'll finally ask; How could he ever discern or govern like a conservative?

Yes, I stated that, which is why I didn't vote for him the first time around. Hell, even Trump said it early on, that he is not conservative.
But despite some genuine fuckups, he did damn good as a Patriot.

You mean to tell me if you had been in his place, you could have saw through all the lies all the backstabbing, all the setups to get him thrown out of office?
Then you're one amazing individual, because early on everyone in the world thought this thing was going to attack every single person on he planet.
But you had the gift of insight, the ability to know all the aforementioned was wrong before Trump knew it?

Wow, you're amazing!

You saw how the Uniparty/NWO attacked him 24/7 since the day he took office, an you think anyone that doesn't align with their communist agenda would have been a better choice?
You do realize that attacking Trump was a concerted effort by both sides of the aisle, even Pols we thought were conservatives, or at least on the side of Right.
 
WTF Fairytale do you live in?
Hell, consider this. Maybe DeSantis is in on the charade and helping Trump by keeping the enemy of balance.

See my point? No one can tell the future, we don't even know who the bad guys are anymore, and Trump really didn't know who he could trust, because all of DC is a Swamp!
Yet you sit and play hindsight quarterback as if you were privy to the truth?

Nah, your emotion/hate has clouded your ability for critical thought, thought that would allow you to see the entire truth, that Trump is not the enemy, that you would rather an untested Pol, backed by the enemy', take the reigns as the world burns.

Do you not see the idiocy in that? 

Quote from: WMK on April 25, 2023, 04:20:26 PMContrast that with my criticisms of Trump, which are based on his overall past record as POTUS. Like DeSantis, I'm judging him on his accomplishment overall, not what could have been or would have been. Trump has a record, and in that record I listed his positives and negatives. Unfortunately,  my overall assessment found Trump to be wanting as a national leader. He's responsible for the direction of the country, and the performances of those chosen to be on his team. On the most important issues he governed like a pseudo conservative; lacking the necessary courage to stand by who and what was right, even to the end. This is how you build a united front, rather than "a house divided against itself..."

This is the part I have a hard time following you on. Trump took on the economy and turned it around, all aspects of it. From unemployment, to NO inflation, to low interest rates at the same time there were record stock market rates. Minorities had their lowest unemployment rate, another record. Business, manufacturing, were booming, wages up. Believe it or not, Trump had to have some pretty good people helping out. People he picked to do that job.

On the justice side, Trump appointed over 200 federal judges, they are making a difference everyday on our lives. For the FIRST time in memory, we have a conservative majority on the SCOTUS. Trump could not have made all these picks himself, he had to rely and trust the judgement of others in his circle.

On the border, had congress worked with him we would have a secure border. Congress would not give the money. In spite of that, much progress was made to secure it, again, something he did not do by himself, he had people helping him.

On the world level, progress was made in North, Korea, China, Russia, Nato, middle East etc. AGAIN, Trump did not do all of that by himself, he picked people to help him, they were successful. In fact, he did more to help America than all of our presidents for the past forty years, and THEY had all the experience.

But on to the pandemic. Why did Trump not fire Fauci? What position was Fauci in? He could not issue mandates, he could not close any business down, he could not force any one to wear a damn mask. All he could do was SUGGEST. Personally, I wish Trump would have fired him on day one, but that is because I think he is just a damn little weasel. Now ask yourself, why did so many governors take his advice and shut down their states? Yes, ask yourself WHY DID SOME/ALL THE GOVERNORS TAKE FAUCI'S ADVICE AND SHUT DOWN THEIR STATES????  Start with DeSantis. Did DeSantis not have quality hand picked advisors, doctors, health people to give him advise? Did he not see that despite what the rest of the world was saying, that this was not going to amount to much? Why did he shut down his state? So he could be the first to re-open? Why did he not re-open his state when Trump was calling for the country to re-open? Why did DeSantis not see through the vaccine and allow it to be given through his state? Why is it still available in his state? 

Again, hate to tell you this, but EVERYONE who had government power during the pandemic made errors. We/they were lied to from the beginning, by the same people who have been lying about Trump from the beginning. The only people who knew that this virus was not being presented to us truthfully WERE THOSE WHO WERE DOING TO LYING!! Yet the only person you seem to blame is Trump. The one person pushing OTHER DRUGS as a cure beside the vaccine.

I have said it before but will repeat, this was set up years ago, Hillary was supposed to be in her third year. Thank God Trump was in office. Most on this forum did not support Trump back in 2016. We said then as now, he is not a conservative. So, what changed? We saw how he ran the country!!! We want to see the country again running in that direction. One item we realized right away, Trump wants what is best for this country. Trump is a patriot, our first patriot in the white house in a long, long time.   

But because of "Feelings" we're supposed to dump the great American Patriot Movement?


https://twitter.com/i/status/1651439804368732160

Quote from: WMK on April 26, 2023, 11:28:44 PMTo your line of thinking, it could be possible that's the indictments against Trump are merely to serve as a distraction to prevent DeSantis from having too much exposure. By keeping Trump front and center politics would be reduced to nothing more than kabuki theater - Heroes & Villians

Trump still ripping mccain means az is lost

Quote from: WMK on April 22, 2023, 11:58:48 AMSeems to me most all MAGA voters are securely anchored in the belief that NO ONE but Donald Trump can possibly defeat the Democrat opposition. - Past Is Prologue - 

A greater fear I have is that if Trump does not prevail in the primaries, how many MAGA voters would put their support behind the (R) nominee??? 

Kemp and ron both won big after barely winning in 2018

Quote from: ldub23 on April 27, 2023, 03:29:48 PMKemp and ron both won big after barely winning in 2018

DeSantis' last victory was so large in a state that was,'purple' that a good number of voting conservatives now believe his model of leadership needs to be blueprinted and applied on a national scale. More so because Fla. is the 3rd largest state and crucial for conservatives.
IMO, Trump's recent histrionics show a fear of DeSantis because he was able to take action and prevailed in battles where Trump ceded his authority to the establishment - COVID.

Quote from: WMK on April 28, 2023, 09:54:32 AMDeSantis' last victory was so large in a state that was,'purple' that a good number of voting conservatives now believe his model of leadership needs to be blueprinted and applied on a national scale. More so because Fla. is the 3rd largest state and crucial for conservatives.
IMO, Trump's recent histrionics show a fear of DeSantis because he was able to take action and prevailed in battles where Trump ceded his authority to the establishment - COVID.

Although Ron said "Never", once things settle down, he could be in the running for Veep, only because he'll have tarnished his reputation amongst the patriot base.
Once Trump is chosen, he's going to have a lot of damage to repair when all is said and done.

Quote from: WMK on April 28, 2023, 09:54:32 AMDeSantis' last victory was so large in a state that was,'purple' that a good number of voting conservatives now believe his model of leadership needs to be blueprinted and applied on a national scale. More so because Fla. is the 3rd largest state and crucial for conservatives.
IMO, Trump's recent histrionics show a fear of DeSantis because he was able to take action and prevailed in battles where Trump ceded his authority to the establishment - COVID.

What in the hell are you talking about?  You have absolutely NO idea about his last election, apparently.  Do some basic research. Please.  He actually did not do well if you knew anything.

Quote from: WMK on April 28, 2023, 09:54:32 AMDeSantis' last victory was so large in a state that was,'purple' that a good number of voting conservatives now believe his model of leadership needs to be blueprinted and applied on a national scale. More so because Fla. is the 3rd largest state and crucial for conservatives.
IMO, Trump's recent histrionics show a fear of DeSantis because he was able to take action and prevailed in battles where Trump ceded his authority to the establishment - COVID.

How bad do you think DeSantis shutting down Florida will hurt him? 

Quote from: Solar on April 28, 2023, 11:00:20 AMAlthough Ron said "Never", once things settle down, he could be in the running for Veep, only because he'll have tarnished his reputation amongst the patriot base.
Once Trump is chosen, he's going to have a lot of damage to repair when all is said and done.

Trump is toxic. His choice for rnc chair ronna is a disaster

Quote from: ldub23 on April 28, 2023, 12:33:27 PMTrump is toxic. His choice for rnc chair ronna is a disaster

The RNC picks the Chair.  Did you not know that?

Quote from: taxed on April 28, 2023, 12:39:09 PMThe RNC picks the Chair.  Did you not know that?

Trump endorsed her and she is doing squat to adopt to current law

Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 12:10:54 PMHow bad do you think DeSantis shutting down Florida will hurt him? 

It's actually become a positive measure for him. Compared to other states, DeSantis was one of the few who had a team research real science vs. COVID. Thereafter, he made the choice to act contrary to the CDC and other so called 'luminaries' spouting authoritarian directives.  That's why Fla. flourished more than any other state during COVID. It was one of the freest states in the union.

To say EVERYONE erred on the side of caution i.e. lockdowns, masks, isolations, when nothing was known about COVID is stating the obvious. It's who took action to oppose the COVID false narratives & directives once they discovered the truth that separates the wheat from the chaff. Took lots of political courage to do that in thee earlier stages.

Quote from: taxed on April 28, 2023, 12:07:42 PMWhat in the hell are you talking about?  You have absolutely NO idea about his last election, apparently.  Do some basic research. Please.  He actually did not do well if you knew anything.

Research? Haha.  I can count to 19% where percentage results in victory margins apply. Can you.

Quote from: WMK on April 28, 2023, 01:02:57 PMResearch? Haha.  I can count to 19% where percentage results in victory margins apply. Can you.

Did DeSantis win Trump strongholds in Florida at Trump's numbers?

Quote from: WMK on April 28, 2023, 12:56:28 PMIt's actually become a positive measure for him. Compared to other states, DeSantis was one of the few who had a team research real science vs. COVID. Thereafter, he made the choice to act contrary to the CDC and other so called 'luminaries' spouting authoritarian directives.  That's why Fla. flourished more than any other state during COVID. It was one of the freest states in the union.

To say EVERYONE erred on the side of caution i.e. lockdowns, masks, isolations, when nothing was known about COVID is stating the obvious. It's who took action to oppose the COVID false narratives & directives once they discovered the truth that separates the wheat from the chaff. Took lots of political courage to do that in thee earlier stages.

When DeSantis shut down Florida, he followed federal guidance on the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, in other words, he did what other states did, nothing special. Not exactly political courage if everyone is doing the same. So I have to ask again, were his hand picked staff members that bad? You do not give dates for when his team did their "real science" but I'm guessing it was about the time we ALL knew it was nothing. Why did they not push alternate drugs for fighting the virus from the beginning like Trump did? I will give him credit for not issuing a "stay at home", neither did Texas.

To Abbotts credit, he did not issue lockdowns, the cities were allowed to make their own decisions, and many left it up to the individual companies. The few "big block" stores I did go to voluntary issued their own restrictions and MOST places I went had no restrictions at all, thus NO REOPENING as they did not close. I find it hard to believe Florida was the freest state when in my neck of the woods there were no mask mandates to end, no lockdowns to stop, nobody looking to see if you had the vaccine, etc.

Oh boy...

https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1652021618447732736

TALK ABOUT UNINFORMED? :rolleyes:

Ron DeSantis wanted to send weapons to Ukraine when he was a congressman – as a presidential hopeful he questions US involvement

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/ron-desantis-supported-ukraine-russia-kfile/index.html

Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 01:34:13 PMWhen DeSantis shut down Florida, he followed federal guidance on the lockdowns, masks, social distancing, in other words, he did what other states did, nothing special. Not exactly political courage if everyone is doing the same. So I have to ask again, were his hand picked staff members that bad? You do not give dates for when his team did their "real science" but I'm guessing it was about the time we ALL knew it was nothing. Why did they not push alternate drugs for fighting the virus from the beginning like Trump did? I will give him credit for not issuing a "stay at home", neither did Texas.

To Abbotts credit, he did not issue lockdowns, the cities were allowed to make their own decisions, and many left it up to the individual companies. The few "big block" stores I did go to voluntary issued their own restrictions and MOST places I went had no restrictions at all, thus NO REOPENING as they did not close. I find it hard to believe Florida was the freest state when in my neck of the woods there were no mask mandates to end, no lockdowns to stop, nobody looking to see if you had the vaccine, etc.

I pretty much said that DeSantis did not lead the pack on dissing CDC recommendations or  opened states. My distinction was, once enlightened, DeSantis would act aggressively and steadfastly against COVID mandates, CDC directives and even big pharma's leaky vaccines.
Knowing and believing all the evils of COVID are two different things, and there is where the timelines differ.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
 
Not sure about Abbott. But Texas is huge and has large cities which are, blue. That's the overall sentiment I seem to hear from Texans.

Quote from: Solar on April 28, 2023, 08:04:45 PMTALK ABOUT UNINFORMED? :rolleyes:

Ron DeSantis wanted to send weapons to Ukraine when he was a congressman – as a presidential hopeful he questions US involvement

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/ron-desantis-supported-ukraine-russia-kfile/index.html

I'd say DeSantis has shown us two qualities - being a quick enough study, and courage to right a wrong-headed policy.  His governance during COVID demonstrated those same qualities.

Quote from: taxed on April 28, 2023, 01:08:38 PMDid DeSantis win Trump strongholds in Florida at Trump's numbers?

Do "strongholds" make up the entire state of Florida?

Quote from: Solar on April 28, 2023, 11:00:20 AMAlthough Ron said "Never", once things settle down, he could be in the running for Veep, only because he'll have tarnished his reputation amongst the patriot base.
Once Trump is chosen, he's going to have a lot of damage to repair when all is said and done.

We shall see.

Quote from: WMK on April 29, 2023, 05:39:15 AMI'd say DeSantis has shown us two qualities - being a quick enough study, and courage to right a wrong-headed policy.  His governance during COVID demonstrated those same qualities.

Quick Study? The guy is ex JAG, he knew exactly what NATO was and is.
No, I'd say it's a clear window into the core of a man when it comes to war.

Trump on the other hand never got us into a war or started one, and even quelle a few serious issues along the way. Trump knows war is failed politics. while overlooking DeSantis failure and your need to see this as a quality, says a lot about your "LIBertarian politics".

You either fall on your values first and take a step back, or stick a wet finger in the air and follow public opinion.
The kid was ready to go with war until wiser heads stopped him.

This is a literal example of someone not only lacking a set of solid values, but one willing to change them on a whim.
That is not a Conservative trait!

Quote from: WMK on April 29, 2023, 04:53:28 AMI pretty much said that DeSantis did not lead the pack on dissing CDC recommendations or  opened states. My distinction was, once enlightened, DeSantis would act aggressively and steadfastly against COVID mandates, CDC directives and even big pharma's leaky vaccines.

My point is after the fact many states have taken the stance "never again". No mandates, no lockdowns. Where was this stance BEFORE everything was locked down. It is real easy now to be against vaccines, VERY FEW ARE STILL GETTING THE JABS!!!! Our Republican governors, all of them, let us down. I understand they had no idea what was coming, no excuse, NOTHING SHOULD TRUMP THE CONSTITUTION and EVERY STATE did.


But with that being said, on the bright side we learned from what happened. Like I stated above, SEVERAL states have taken the stance never again. Great! Most of the nation has seen exactly what Trump meant when he called out the deep state. This IMHO will not be what the election or the primaries will focus on.

QuoteKnowing and believing all the evils of COVID are two different things, and there is where the timelines differ.

Again, had everyone been able to see into the future, everyone would have made a different decisions. That's a no brainer. But if you are going to blame Trump for the way he handled the pandemic, I do not see where DeSantis did any different. Trump knew he did not have the constitutional authority to shut down businesses, why did DeSantis not see that also?

QuoteNot sure about Abbott. But Texas is huge and has large cities which are, blue. That's the overall sentiment I seem to hear from Texans.

Not sure your point here, there are several red states with blue cities, such as Florida. 

                                      

Quote from: Possum on April 29, 2023, 06:44:59 AMMy point is after the fact many states have taken the stance "never again". No mandates, no lockdowns. Where was this stance BEFORE everything was locked down. It is real easy now to be against vaccines, VERY FEW ARE STILL GETTING THE JABS!!!! Our Republican governors, all of them, let us down. I understand they had no idea what was coming, no excuse, NOTHING SHOULD TRUMP THE CONSTITUTION and EVERY STATE did.


But with that being said, on the bright side we learned from what happened. Like I stated above, SEVERAL states have taken the stance never again. Great! Most of the nation has seen exactly what Trump meant when he called out the deep state. This IMHO will not be what the election or the primaries will focus on.
Again, had everyone been able to see into the future, everyone would have made a different decisions. That's a no brainer. But if you are going to blame Trump for the way he handled the pandemic, I do not see where DeSantis did any different. Trump knew he did not have the constitutional authority to shut down businesses, why did DeSantis not see that also?

Not sure your point here, there are several red states with blue cities, such as Florida. 

                                       

So DeSantis was for lockdowns, while Trump was ALWAYS against them.
But somehow this makes Ron a proven leader? Am I missing something? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2023, 07:10:58 AMSo DeSantis was for lockdowns, while Trump was ALWAYS against them.
But somehow this makes Ron a proven leader? Am I missing something? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

DeSantis is benefiting from a friendly press. The lsm wants Trump out of there.

Quote from: Possum on April 29, 2023, 08:25:08 AMDeSantis is benefiting from a friendly press. The lsm wants Trump out of there.

Exactly!!!! They did the same thing with Trump because they knew Cruz was going to win.
They'd eat DeSantis alive when they no longer needed him.

The LSM already know they don't stand a chance against Trump. :thumbsup:

Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2023, 06:14:49 AMQuick Study? The guy is ex JAG, he knew exactly what NATO was and is.
No, I'd say it's a clear window into the core of a man when it comes to war.

Trump on the other hand never got us into a war or started one, and even quelle a few serious issues along the way. Trump knows war is failed politics. while overlooking DeSantis failure and your need to see this as a quality, says a lot about your "LIBertarian politics".

You either fall on your values first and take a step back, or stick a wet finger in the air and follow public opinion.
The kid was ready to go with war until wiser heads stopped him.

This is a literal example of someone not only lacking a set of solid values, but one willing to change them on a whim.
That is not a Conservative trait!

You've said lots of things ... blanket statements; all existing in the confines of your own mind. They call that theorizing.
No doubt Trump is a dove - went 5 for 5 when it came deferring from Viet Nam.

"You either fall on your values first and take a step back.."
Umm you take a step back BEFORE you "fall on your values" and seek wise counsel to see all the angles. 

"This is a literal example of someone not only lacking a set of solid values, but one willing to change them on a whim."
That is not a Conservative trait! Why define, Trump? You knew he wasn't a conservative going in.

Quote from: Possum on April 29, 2023, 06:44:59 AMMy point is after the fact many states have taken the stance "never again". No mandates, no lockdowns. Where was this stance BEFORE everything was locked down. It is real easy now to be against vaccines, VERY FEW ARE STILL GETTING THE JABS!!!! Our Republican governors, all of them, let us down. I understand they had no idea what was coming, no excuse, NOTHING SHOULD TRUMP THE CONSTITUTION and EVERY STATE did.


But with that being said, on the bright side we learned from what happened. Like I stated above, SEVERAL states have taken the stance never again. Great! Most of the nation has seen exactly what Trump meant when he called out the deep state. This IMHO will not be what the election or the primaries will focus on.
Again, had everyone been able to see into the future, everyone would have made a different decisions. That's a no brainer. But if you are going to blame Trump for the way he handled the pandemic, I do not see where DeSantis did any different. Trump knew he did not have the constitutional authority to shut down businesses, why did DeSantis not see that also?

Not sure your point here, there are several red states with blue cities, such as Florida. 

                                     

Hope you're right about "few" still getting the jabs. That would be good news for America. Maybe not so good though for the father of Operation Warp Speed - Donald Trump? If "the jabs" ever do become a front & center issue, Trump is going to take a lot of incoming fire. If it's specifically related to jab injuries/fatalities? Then the full immunity guarantee given 'big pharma' might explode like a bomb.

Trump gets the brunt of the blame for poor leadership during COVID because he was responsible for an entire nation. DeSantis too gets poor leadership blame during COVID because he was responsible for a state. Who had the greater responsibility as executive? That's why i hold Trump to a higher account.
That said, I've been harshest with the lack of responsibility on the part of our own citizenry. They, through ignorance & fear, were willing to hand over their personal freedoms to authoritarians and oligarchs Without any forms of organized noncompliance at all. Just a little perseverance by groups or clusters refusing to wear masks would have set a precedent early on. One or two is not enough, but dozens make that mandate unenforceable.  But I've said this all before,,, even here in 2021 I think.

My goodness, if Trump had any depth of constitutional knowledge or fortitude at all, he would have not permitted two bureaucrats to spout authoritarian dictates to "the people" ad nauseam on his own platform. Nor would he have publicly berated a republican governor for opening up too soon.
Better to print the facts than the legend, Possum.

As for Texas, let's consider, Dallas, Houston, Austin, El Paso etc. Don't think Fla. or any other state can equal those kinds of numbers, can they? 

Quote from: WMK on April 29, 2023, 03:56:29 PMHope you're right about "few" still getting the jabs. That would be good news for America. Maybe not so good though for the father of Operation Warp Speed - Donald Trump? If "the jabs" ever do become a front & center issue, Trump is going to take a lot of incoming fire. If it's specifically related to jab injuries/fatalities? Then the full immunity guarantee given 'big pharma' might explode like a bomb.

When the vaccine first came out almost 70% of Americans took the first jab. Less than 30% have taken boosters and that number is dropping with each additional booster. The biggest handicap this nation has to getting to the bottom of the whole pandemic story is people like you, the orange man bad crowd, who are willing to look past all the fraud, when the virus was developed, leaked, and spread. You are willing to overlook everyone who was actually responsible for the lockdowns and mandates because it does not fit your agenda of orange man bad. Where were the people who should have been backing Trump when he pushed to close our borders to keep the virus out? Where was any backing when he was pushing alternate medicines to fight the vaccine. THEY WERE AFRAID TO COME OUT FROM HIDING!!! You are bragging that AFTER THE FACT, now they stood tall and REVERSED THEIR ACTIONS. Where the hell were they when needed?????

You keep making the same claim, ""If "the jabs" ever do become a front & center issue, Trump is going to take a lot of incoming fire."" Where are those claims going to be coming from?? DeSantis? Won't happen, then he would have to answer the question, why did he shut down the state. Why did he mandate masks that do not work? Do you really think he is going to open up that can of worms? Yeah, he gets it now, everyone else does too.

QuoteTrump gets the brunt of the blame for poor leadership during COVID because he was responsible for an entire nation. DeSantis too gets poor leadership blame during COVID because he was responsible for a state. Who had the greater responsibility as executive? That's why i hold Trump to a higher account.

No you hold Trump to a orange man bad syndrome. You claim poor leadership, how? He made sure every request was handled. Dr.'s said they needed ventilators, he made sure they got them. Pharma said red tape would slow them down, he helped. When he saw the horror that followed closing down the country, by governors like DeSantis, he pushed for the reopening. He pushed for not allowing any planes to come into this country from China and everyone called him raciest. 

QuoteThat said, I've been harshest with the lack of responsibility on the part of our own citizenry. They, through ignorance & fear, were willing to hand over their personal freedoms to authoritarians and oligarchs Without any forms of organized noncompliance at all. Just a little perseverance by groups or clusters refusing to wear masks would have set a precedent early on. One or two is not enough, but dozens make that mandate unenforceable.  But I've said this all before,,, even here in 2021 I think.

First off I have to point out the irony, DeSantis was one of the "authoritarians and oligarchs" who took away the people's rights. Second, we are a nation of laws. If a person feels rights have been violated we have a court system and THAT IS HOW YOU FIGHT THAT. You are advocating organizing people to knowing disobey the law. Third, you are dead wrong that a few breaking the law would have stopped the law. Governments through out history have got the masses to comply by making an example out of a few.

QuoteMy goodness, if Trump had any depth of constitutional knowledge or fortitude at all, he would have not permitted two bureaucrats to spout authoritarian dictates to "the people" ad nauseam on his own platform.

You got real close here, what Trump should have done is stop governors like DeSantis from closing their states.

QuoteNor would he have publicly berated a republican governor for opening up too soon.

Trump was begging the states to reopen while DeSantis was still checking his poll numbers to see if they would go up or down.

QuoteBetter to print the facts than the legend, Possum

Maybe you can see that in your world, but here in reality you have not posted one fact. Sorry, go back and read your posts, couple of items stand out, you like DeSantis, and orange man bad.
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QuoteAs for Texas, let's consider, Dallas, Houston, Austin, El Paso etc. Don't think Fla. or any other state can equal those kinds of numbers, can they?

Not only can I not see where you are going with this, I bet you have no idea where you are going with this.

Quote from: Possum on April 29, 2023, 05:47:49 PMWhen the vaccine first came out almost 70% of Americans took the first jab. Less than 30% have taken boosters and that number is dropping with each additional booster. The biggest handicap this nation has to getting to the bottom of the whole pandemic story is people like you, the orange man bad crowd, who are willing to look past all the fraud, when the virus was developed, leaked, and spread. You are willing to overlook everyone who was actually responsible for the lockdowns and mandates because it does not fit your agenda of orange man bad. Where were the people who should have been backing Trump when he pushed to close our borders to keep the virus out? Where was any backing when he was pushing alternate medicines to fight the vaccine. THEY WERE AFRAID TO COME OUT FROM HIDING!!! You are bragging that AFTER THE FACT, now they stood tall and REVERSED THEIR ACTIONS. Where the hell were they when needed?????

You keep making the same claim, ""If "the jabs" ever do become a front & center issue, Trump is going to take a lot of incoming fire."" Where are those claims going to be coming from?? DeSantis? Won't happen, then he would have to answer the question, why did he shut down the state. Why did he mandate masks that do not work? Do you really think he is going to open up that can of worms? Yeah, he gets it now, everyone else does too.

No you hold Trump to a orange man bad syndrome. You claim poor leadership, how? He made sure every request was handled. Dr.'s said they needed ventilators, he made sure they got them. Pharma said red tape would slow them down, he helped. When he saw the horror that followed closing down the country, by governors like DeSantis, he pushed for the reopening. He pushed for not allowing any planes to come into this country from China and everyone called him raciest. 

First off I have to point out the irony, DeSantis was one of the "authoritarians and oligarchs" who took away the people's rights. Second, we are a nation of laws. If a person feels rights have been violated we have a court system and THAT IS HOW YOU FIGHT THAT. You are advocating organizing people to knowing disobey the law. Third, you are dead wrong that a few breaking the law would have stopped the law. Governments through out history have got the masses to comply by making an example out of a few.

You got real close here, what Trump should have done is stop governors like DeSantis from closing their states.


Trump was begging the states to reopen while DeSantis was still checking his poll numbers to see if they would go up or down.

Maybe you can see that in your world, but here in reality you have not posted one fact. Sorry, go back and read your posts, couple of items stand out, you like DeSantis, and orange man bad.
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Not only can I not see where you are going with this, I bet you have no idea where you are going with this.

Orange man good is not a bad thing. But orange man savior in an unhealthy thing. Before long, you'll likely be calling me a 'never Trumper', claiming I never voted for Trump at all.

This is a quote from Trump at a press conference April 2020 "
"I told the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities."

Here's another April 2020 quote from Trump,

"For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the state, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect It is the decision. Of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue."

Trump was never anti-lockdown or constitutionally opposed to it as you claimed. The fact is,  he worked hand-in-glove with Governors on that decision making process during the pandemic. For all I know, he might have called DeSantis and told him what a great job he was doing.   


That's the real world of Trump, not all the hyperbole here you're trying to pass off as fact. 
Get back to reality.

Quote from: WMK on April 29, 2023, 11:36:49 PMOrange man good is not a bad thing. But orange man savior in an unhealthy thing. Before long, you'll likely be calling me a 'never Trumper', claiming I never voted for Trump at all.

This is a quote from Trump at a press conference April 2020 "
"I told the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities."

Here's another April 2020 quote from Trump,

"For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the state, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect It is the decision. Of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue."

Trump was never anti-lockdown or constitutionally opposed to it as you claimed. The fact is,  he worked hand-in-glove with Governors on that decision making process during the pandemic. For all I know, he might have called DeSantis and told him what a great job he was doing.   


That's the real world of Trump, not all the hyperbole here you're trying to pass off as fact. 
Get back to reality.

Sorry wrong again. The big argument during this time period was who would be in charge of the reopening as the quotes below show, Trump or the governors. Since this had never happened before there was no court ruling. Trump was pushing for reopening and the governors were not going to be the first, as the first one shows.

QuoteThat doesn't mean the president can't be influential in encouraging states to open businesses back up, particularly in states led by Republican governors closely aligned with the president. But it does mean he can't order states or businesses to reopen

Quote"But presidential leadership will be key to the timing of the 'opening up' nationwide, as well as with issuing guidelines for how a presumably phased-in reopening will work," Shapiro continued. "In other words, legally speaking the president doesn't have the power to rescind state orders, but in practical terms, state and local authorities are likely to follow the federal government's lead."

QuoteThe president, according to the sources, spoke with industry leaders, conservative organizations and current staffers, and the bulk of these calls have focused on getting America back to work. Some outside associates are pressuring the president to re-open parts of the economy rather than pursue additional stimulus money.

Quote"... I like to allow governors to make decisions without overruling them, because from a constitutional standpoint, that's the way it should be done," the president said during his Friday Coronavirus Task Force briefing. "If I disagreed, I would overrule a governor, and I have that right to do it.  But I'd rather have them -- you can call it 'federalist,' you can call it 'the Constitution,' but I call it 'the Constitution.' I would rather have them make their decisions."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-trump-cant-order-states-to-reopen-constitutional-scholars-say/

After talking to scholars, Trump had this to say,

QuoteWASHINGTON – President Donald Trump embraced a less confrontational tone with the nation's governors Tuesday, asserting he wouldn't "force" states to reopen during the coronavirus pandemic a day after he claimed he had "absolute authority" to do so.

QuoteStill, Trump said he would be "authorizing" states to reopen, potentially before federal social distancing guidelines are set to expire at the end of the month. That remark appeared to mimic his earlier claim that the president has "absolute" authority to reopen the country from the economic stranglehold caused by the deadly coronavirus.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/14/coronavirus-governors-not-trump-have-total-authority-re-open/2989205001/

Quote from: WMK on April 29, 2023, 01:15:26 PMYou've said lots of things ... blanket statements; all existing in the confines of your own mind. They call that theorizing.
No doubt Trump is a dove - went 5 for 5 when it came deferring from Viet Nam.

"You either fall on your values first and take a step back.."
Umm you take a step back BEFORE you "fall on your values" and seek wise counsel to see all the angles. 

"This is a literal example of someone not only lacking a set of solid values, but one willing to change them on a whim."
That is not a Conservative trait! Why define, Trump? You knew he wasn't a conservative going in.

No, it's called Critical thought! Deducing from everything we know, be it the candidate himself, to those who back them, and their past actions as well.
This is why there is but one man for the job with a proven track record.

The alternative is a kid with a tiny window from which to judge outside of of a Conservative backing him.
Trump had none of that, the man stood before the people and stated exactly what he was going to do.
Many including myself, thought he was a liar, an ex Dim who was trying to keep Cruz out of the WH.

For 6 months I watched, waiting for him to turn on the base, and nothing, he was keeping his promises, so I began to support him and again, I was not alone.
But now, suddenly out of nowhere, Trump has a challenger? The base doesn't like that, challenging the one man they know can finish what he started, they know what is backing this sellout, and yes, that's exactly what DeSantis is, a sellout to the enemies of the people.

Yet you let your emotion block your critical thinking in supporting a proven candidate over that of a green kid, why is that?
No, you may see yourself as some form of enlightened conservative, but your actions are those of betrayal to our very way of life and culture and the world beyond.

Have you never even questioned why a bunch of Marxist sellouts would push for such a candidate at this time in history?
More so, why it is, you can't seem to see through the all bull shit?

Quote from: Solar on April 30, 2023, 06:48:25 AMNo, it's called Critical thought! Deducing from everything we know, be it the candidate himself, to those who back them, and their past actions as well.
This is why there is but one man for the job with a proven track record.

The alternative is a kid with a tiny window from which to judge outside of of a Conservative backing him.
Trump had none of that, the man stood before the people and stated exactly what he was going to do.
Many including myself, thought he was a liar, an ex Dim who was trying to keep Cruz out of the WH.

For 6 months I watched, waiting for him to turn on the base, and nothing, he was keeping his promises, so I began to support him and again, I was not alone.
But now, suddenly out of nowhere, Trump has a challenger? The base doesn't like that, challenging the one man they know can finish what he started, they know what is backing this sellout, and yes, that's exactly what DeSantis is, a sellout to the enemies of the people.

Yet you let your emotion block your critical thinking in supporting a proven candidate over that of a green kid, why is that?
No, you may see yourself as some form of enlightened conservative, but your actions are those of betrayal to our very way of life and culture and the world beyond.

Have you never even questioned why a bunch of Marxist sellouts would push for such a candidate at this time in history?
More so, why it is, you can't seem to see through the all bull shit?

What baffles me is, first, the fact that DeSantis is not even an official primary candidate yet. Second, this is a primary battle to clear the way for any doubts some conservatives have about Trump's ability to win the Oval Office back, for whatever reason.  I'm getting the impression many MAGA voters believe that anyone who votes other than Trump even in the primary will never back him in the general. Anyone critical is evaluated as a 'never Trumper.'
Critical thinkers review the record Trump now has, without biases, and judge it in accordance to their own standards. And they should. But you  imply that  criticisms/doubts they find, are automatically steeped in emotions, rather than research.
IMO, you're fully convinced that DeSantis is a 'sellout' beholden to 'the enemy'.
And nothing I'll ever say will change that mindset.
But show me policies, speeches or quotes by DeSantis that make your case, and I'll listen. Your criticisms focus mainly on the usual suspects all candidates have -donors and their associates, rather than DeSantis' own actions through governance. 

Quote from: Possum on April 30, 2023, 04:59:17 AMSorry wrong again. The big argument during this time period was who would be in charge of the reopening as the quotes below show, Trump or the governors. Since this had never happened before there was no court ruling. Trump was pushing for reopening and the governors were not going to be the first, as the first one shows.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-trump-cant-order-states-to-reopen-constitutional-scholars-say/

After talking to scholars, Trump had this to say,
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/14/coronavirus-governors-not-trump-have-total-authority-re-open/2989205001/

I'll just let the quotes from Trumps own lips (both yours and mine) speak for themselves as a juxtaposition against your former claims.

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 08:57:51 AMWhat baffles me is, first, the fact that DeSantis is not even an official primary candidate yet. Second, this is a primary battle to clear the way for any doubts some conservatives have about Trump's ability to win the Oval Office back, for whatever reason.  I'm getting the impression many MAGA voters believe that anyone who votes other than Trump even in the primary will never back him in the general. Anyone critical is evaluated as a 'never Trumper.'
Critical thinkers review the record Trump now has, without biases, and judge it in accordance to their own standards. And they should. But you  imply that  criticisms/doubts they find, are automatically steeped in emotions, rather than research.
IMO, you're fully convinced that DeSantis is a 'sellout' beholden to 'the enemy'.
And nothing I'll ever say will change that mindset.
But show me policies, speeches or quotes by DeSantis that make your case, and I'll listen. Your criticisms focus mainly on the usual suspects all candidates have -donors and their associates, rather than DeSantis' own actions through governance. 

Why support a candidate whose sole entry into a presidential election is to play spoiler?
This entire scheme is designed to divide the electorate.

This is not just a run of the mill election, this is the battle for who controls the world, a literal war over good vs evil.
You claim DeSantis is proven by his actions, yet claim Trump has failed on many fronts, all the while forgetting the entire world was fooled by the Deep state/NWO.

Trump was up against a monumental offensive from his supposed, "own party" and the left Uniparty/NWO, and you think some green kid is going to fill Trump's shoes?

This has Establishment interference written all over it, this is literally the first page out of the Establishments' playbook, yet you still back their candidate?

So tell us what you think DeSantis will do differently in combatting this global scourge? After all, you seem convinced this is the time to replace Trump.

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 09:37:54 AMI'll just let the quotes from Trumps own lips (both yours and mine) speak for themselves as a juxtaposition against your former claims.

That would just mean you lose,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,again.

Quote from: Solar on April 30, 2023, 09:53:31 AMWhy support a candidate whose sole entry into a presidential election is to play spoiler?
This entire scheme is designed to divide the electorate.

This is not just a run of the mill election, this is the battle for who controls the world, a literal war over good vs evil.
You claim DeSantis is proven by his actions, yet claim Trump has failed on many fronts, all the while forgetting the entire world was fooled by the Deep state/NWO.

Trump was up against a monumental offensive from his supposed, "own party" and the left Uniparty/NWO, and you think some green kid is going to fill Trump's shoes?

This has Establishment interference written all over it, this is literally the first page out of the Establishments' playbook, yet you still back their candidate?

So tell us what you think DeSantis will do differently in combatting this global scourge? After all, you seem convinced this is the time to replace Trump.

IMO, If DeSantis and the establishment were working "interference," it would have been initiated shortly after Trump made his announcement, or when DeSantis poll numbers were hot over a month ago. And he would not be as laid back about Trump as he is; as though he's contemplating, thinking things through.
Hell, he's still not even an official candidate yet, as he said he wouldn't be until the legislative agenda in Fla. is completed. I think his decision will be genuine, no matter what it is. 
What people are most impressed with is DeSantis style of governing. He talks little before taking action. Granted he got a majority in the legislatures to do so, but it's his approach to matters that tend to catch the opposition off guard.

DeSantis would be primarily focused on the cancer(s) that's destroying America from within. He'll focus on similar issues that he did in Fla., only on a national scale - economics and energy independence, wokeism, transgenderism, immigration. I suspect he'll refrain from any aggressive action on the international front , barring any  sudden changes, and possibly where it affects our energy independence.
Our worst enemies lie within our own border(s), and we to prioritize and exterminate them first before tending to outside vermin.

Quote from: Possum on April 30, 2023, 02:35:31 PMThat would just mean you lose,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,again.

When things mean whatever you want them to mean, of course it would mean that.
 But my brief close was for others who might compare those Trump quotes against all your prior claims.

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 09:31:38 PMWhen things mean whatever you want them to mean, of course it would mean that.
 But my brief close was for others who might compare those Trump quotes against all your prior claims.

Your brief close was for you. I have shown you quotes from Trump that he wanted to push opening the country,

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 03:32:23 PMIMO, If DeSantis and the establishment were working "interference," it would have been initiated shortly after Trump made his announcement, or when DeSantis poll numbers were hot over a month ago. And he would not be as laid back about Trump as he is; as though he's contemplating, thinking things through.
Hell, he's still not even an official candidate yet, as he said he wouldn't be until the legislative agenda in Fla. is completed. I think his decision will be genuine, no matter what it is.

The Legislature just changed the law so Ron could run. Had he said he was running, that would have been illegal, that's why Trump called him out for running a shadow campaign before this date.

QuoteWhat people are most impressed with is DeSantis style of governing. He talks little before taking action. Granted he got a majority in the legislatures to do so, but it's his approach to matters that tend to catch the opposition off guard.

I addressed this in an earlier post, I called it "Low Hanging Fruit". He was doing easy shit to look as if he was doing big shit, when in fact, no one was asking for it in the first place.

QuoteDeSantis would be primarily focused on the cancer(s) that's destroying America from within. He'll focus on similar issues that he did in Fla., only on a national scale - economics and energy independence, wokeism, transgenderism, immigration. I suspect he'll refrain from any aggressive action on the international front , barring any  sudden changes, and possibly where it affects our energy independence.
Our worst enemies lie within our own border(s), and we to prioritize and exterminate them first before tending to outside vermin.

This is simply laughable, Ron won't be working with the Fl Legislature, he'd be dealing with the same lot Trump had to battle.
They would only allow Ron to do as they please or he'd be a lame duck on day one. (Be Our Puppet or Die)

Why is the fact eluding you that the POTUS will be forced to deal with a global enemy first before he can focus on domestic issues?
The cultural shit taking place is not a homegrown issue, it's an external attack on our culture, and you think Ron can do this with an entire media attacking him?

Man, you really need to climb out of your domestic prison and look at the global issue at hand attacking the US.
An entire Marxist Global Movement under the guise of NWO.

Yet somehow you have convinced yourself that some untested kid will be a better fit than a well seasoned man with nearly twice the life experience, who just happens to live in that world?

I won't ask you to prove why you think some greenhorn is better for the job because you and I both know you can't, but you really need to think hard on who can take on the global communists at our current juncture in time of near collapse.

This is bigger than your "Feelings", get over it!!

Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2023, 05:23:17 AMThe Legislature just changed the law so Ron could run. Had he said he was running, that would have been illegal, that's why Trump called him out for running a shadow campaign before this date.
I addressed this in an earlier post, I called it "Low Hanging Fruit". He was doing easy shit to look as if he was doing big shit, when in fact, no one was asking for it in the first place.
This is simply laughable, Ron won't be working with the Fl Legislature, he'd be dealing with the same lot Trump had to battle.
They would only allow Ron to do as they please or he'd be a lame duck on day one. (Be Our Puppet or Die)

Why is the fact eluding you that the POTUS will be forced to deal with a global enemy first before he can focus on domestic issues?
The cultural shit taking place is not a homegrown issue, it's an external attack on our culture, and you think Ron can do this with an entire media attacking him?

Man, you really need to climb out of your domestic prison and look at the global issue at hand attacking the US.
An entire Marxist Global Movement under the guise of NWO.

Yet somehow you have convinced yourself that some untested kid will be a better fit than a well seasoned man with nearly twice the life experience, who just happens to live in that world?

I won't ask you to prove why you think some greenhorn is better for the job because you and I both know you can't, but you really need to think hard on who can take on the global communists at our current juncture in time of near collapse.

This is bigger than your "Feelings", get over it!!

 That globalist/authoritarian influences that have a stranglehold on our Country too should be obvious to any conservative. And that this didn't just start overnight.
 But, IMO, your skepticism has convinced you anyone thinking of alternative solutions to dealing with this infiltration,other than yours,  is in some way complicit, or doesn't fathom its enormity or how deeply rooted it is.
That's opinion, not "feeling." Learn the difference.

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 06:56:48 AMThat globalist/authoritarian influences that have a stranglehold on our Country too should be obvious to any conservative. And that this didn't just start overnight.
 But, IMO, your skepticism has convinced you anyone thinking of alternative solutions to dealing with this infiltration,other than yours,  is in some way complicit, or doesn't fathom its enormity or how deeply rooted it is.
That's opinion, not "feeling." Learn the difference.

Before you started posting about the "Great Alternative" DeSantis, you didn't even know what the NWO Deep State was, let alone understand the Ukraine connection!

Hell, you still think we have a two party system! So save us your BS about alternatives, you ignorantly think Patriots will follow!

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 08:57:51 AMWhat baffles me is, first, the fact that DeSantis is not even an official primary candidate yet. Second, this is a primary battle to clear the way for any doubts some conservatives have about Trump's ability to win the Oval Office back, for whatever reason.  I'm getting the impression many MAGA voters believe that anyone who votes other than Trump even in the primary will never back him in the general. Anyone critical is evaluated as a 'never Trumper.'
Critical thinkers review the record Trump now has, without biases, and judge it in accordance to their own standards. And they should. But you  imply that  criticisms/doubts they find, are automatically steeped in emotions, rather than research.
IMO, you're fully convinced that DeSantis is a 'sellout' beholden to 'the enemy'.
And nothing I'll ever say will change that mindset.
But show me policies, speeches or quotes by DeSantis that make your case, and I'll listen. Your criticisms focus mainly on the usual suspects all candidates have -donors and their associates, rather than DeSantis' own actions through governance. 

You're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

Your anti-Trump blinders are skewing your perspective.

Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:10:59 AMYou're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

Your anti-Trump blinders are skewing your perspective.

Bottomline, DeSantis is a kid.

Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:10:59 AMYou're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

What's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position. You don't "wrangle China" per se.
You go after those in America who provide them their leverage - American mega corps. He'll be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 
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Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:10:59 AMYou're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

Your anti-Trump blinders are skewing your perspective.

What's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position.
You don't "wrangle China" per se. You go after America's mega corps. who give them the means to have leverage over us. DeSantis will be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 
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Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 02:16:10 PMWhat's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position.
You don't "wrangle China" per se. You go after America's mega corps. who give them the means to have leverage over us. DeSantis will be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 
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You're guessing. But, while you are playing pretend, will DeSantis do it correctly, or will he blow it like he did on the lock downs and his stance on Ukraine?

Quote from: Possum on May 01, 2023, 02:19:57 PMYou're guessing. But, while you are playing pretend, will DeSantis do it correctly, or will he blow it like he did on the lock downs and his stance on Ukraine?

Primer: To"blow it" in politics means to stick with certain strategies or policies to the point where it causes meaningful loss... such an elections, legislations.
Now, I could "pretend" and tell you that's a profile of Desantis, but you'd know better, That that's Trump's profile.  But don't feel too bad. I voted for him too.

Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2023, 09:16:15 AMBefore you started posting about the "Great Alternative" DeSantis, you didn't even know what the NWO Deep State was, let alone understand the Ukraine connection!

Hell, you still think we have a two party system! So save us your BS about alternatives, you ignorantly think Patriots will follow!

Haha. That's all very old stuff already, Solar.  You need to circulate a bit more.
We do have a two-party system. But we now live in a country where a leftist credo has become vastly and deeply rooted.
"...Patriots will follow"? If you mean MAGA specifically, then you'd be one hundred eighty degrees out of phase in your thinking. Not only do I know that MAGA voters would never support DeSantis in the primary, but, if he happened to win, many would just stand down from supporting him in the general too.

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 07:44:45 PMPrimer: To"blow it" in politics means to stick with certain strategies or policies to the point where it causes meaningful loss... such an elections, legislations.
Now, I could "pretend" and tell you that's a profile of Desantis, but you'd know better, That that's Trump's profile.  But don't feel too bad. I voted for him too.

You didn't answer the question. Need a hint?

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 08:10:12 PMHaha. That's all very old stuff already, Solar.  You need to circulate a bit more.

Really? Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum. I've watched the progress over the last 60 years.
This is why you can't see a pattern in DeSantis' candidacy.

QuoteWe do have a two-party system. But we now live in a country where a leftist credo has become vastly and deeply rooted.

Bull shit! We the people were warned decades ago as in the Communist papers 1963, which were placed in the congressional Historical Record on how they would go about taking over this great nation.
And with hindsight being 20/20, it's pretty damned obvious Congress/Both party's have been slow boiling us ever since.

Quote"...Patriots will follow"? If you mean MAGA specifically, then you'd be one hundred eighty degrees out of phase in your thinking. Not only do I know that MAGA voters would never support DeSantis in the primary, but, if he happened to win, many would just stand down from supporting him in the general too.

Patriots, as in the majority of the population.
You fail to recognize just how many see, what you fail to see, that the GOP is doing what they do every election.
When they don't like a conservative candidate, they run one of their own against the people's choice. They claim it's self preservation, but the truth is, the GOP works for the same puppet masters pulling the DNC' strings.
How quickly you forget to "Always follow the money"!

How is it everyone knows this, but you? How is it you were so easily duped into supporting the Establishments candidate?
Did you really fall for all the hate Trump hype put out by their allies in the leftist media?

It's funny, but you come off smarter than this, which leads me to one conclusion. You're an angry Libertarian, aren't you?
I get that, but this anger will never help the situation were in because it was a divide and conquer scheme devised by the very people you're helping to support.

I wrote on this very subject more than two decades ago, that the left would hold he Libertarian party in reserve until needed.

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 07:44:45 PMPrimer: To"blow it" in politics means to stick with certain strategies or policies to the point where it causes meaningful loss... such an elections, legislations.
Now, I could "pretend" and tell you that's a profile of Desantis, but you'd know better, That that's Trump's profile.  But don't feel too bad. I voted for him too.

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 04:05:15 AMYou didn't answer the question. Need a hint?

Why can't you just come out and ask your question directly?

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 09:03:38 AMWhy can't you just come out and ask your question directly?

This is the one I was referring to,

Quotewill DeSantis do it correctly, or will he blow it like he did on the lock downs and his stance on Ukraine?

I thought that was pretty direct. But let me add to it, you are telling us how DeSantis

QuoteDeSantis will be over that target.

in reference to his handling of China. What could you possible be basing that on? He has no foreign experience, has not run businesses all over the world, has not had to deal with foreign leaders, what are you basing your comment on? Hope? Make believe? Wishing?

So far I have watched DeSantis mishandle Disney, unconstitutionally lockdown his state, and come out in favor of a war that only has corrupt players? I'm looking real hard to see what you are seeing there. Don't give me your same old song and dance that he will only hire the best and brightest, SOMEONE gave him bad information on Disney, lockdowns, and Ukraine unless you think he did all that on his own. 

Like it has been said before, right now DeSantis is benefiting from a press that is scared and hates Trump. They would really like to see him gone when the republican primary concludes. DeSantis gives them that hope, a fake hope at best, an outright lie in reality. Why do you suppose the left has not blasted him out of the water for his stance on Disney?? Here's a hint, they will, after Trump is gone.

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 09:49:35 AMThis is the one I was referring to,
I thought that was pretty direct. But let me add to it, you are telling us how DeSantis in reference to his handling of China. What could you possible be basing that on? He has no foreign experience, has not run businesses all over the world, has not had to deal with foreign leaders, what are you basing your comment on? Hope? Make believe? Wishing?

So far I have watched DeSantis mishandle Disney, unconstitutionally lockdown his state, and come out in favor of a war that only has corrupt players? I'm looking real hard to see what you are seeing there. Don't give me your same old song and dance that he will only hire the best and brightest, SOMEONE gave him bad information on Disney, lockdowns, and Ukraine unless you think he did all that on his own. 

Like it has been said before, right now DeSantis is benefiting from a press that is scared and hates Trump. They would really like to see him gone when the republican primary concludes. DeSantis gives them that hope, a fake hope at best, an outright lie in reality. Why do you suppose the left has not blasted him out of the water for his stance on Disney?? Here's a hint, they will, after Trump is gone.

Believe DeSantis would be Reaganesque when dealing with China and other communist entities. Think he'd shed some light on American mega businesses who give China leverage over us i.e. pharmaceuticals

 Your questions here -lockdowns/UKraine is base on a false premise;
His "stance" implies his current positions, not those he supported in the past. I support his "stance" on both issues, and applaud his wisdom to acknowledge good counsel when he hears it. That's why you have advisors.
Had your question been; "isn't DeSantis weak for changing his mind on lockdowns & Ukraine?" My answer would be no. Whenever you,'make it right,' that's never  a weakness. Exceptions? Changing on fundament moral issues that define your character -abortion, marriage, gays, law enforcement, etc.

As for your Disney statement, that's merely your opinion. Moreover, your claim of little criticism is wrong too.
I think DeSantis really HIT the target with all his moves on Disney. All the usual suspects -big money, leftist outlets, RINOs are all coming out of the woodwork now with all kinds of criticisms.
I love it...heads are exploding! But I digress.

If Trump wins, he'll send  Caitlyn Jenner over there to built a consensus. He wouldn't have the moral fortitude to stand upright on that one.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2023, 07:06:25 AMReally? Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum. I've watched the progress over the last 60 years.
This is why you can't see a pattern in DeSantis' candidacy.
Bull shit! We the people were warned decades ago as in the Communist papers 1963, which were placed in the congressional Historical Record on how they would go about taking over this great nation.
And with hindsight being 20/20, it's pretty damned obvious Congress/Both party's have been slow boiling us ever since.
Patriots, as in the majority of the population.
You fail to recognize just how many see, what you fail to see, that the GOP is doing what they do every election.
When they don't like a conservative candidate, they run one of their own against the people's choice. They claim it's self preservation, but the truth is, the GOP works for the same puppet masters pulling the DNC' strings.
How quickly you forget to "Always follow the money"!

How is it everyone knows this, but you? How is it you were so easily duped into supporting the Establishments candidate?
Did you really fall for all the hate Trump hype put out by their allies in the leftist media?

It's funny, but you come off smarter than this, which leads me to one conclusion. You're an angry Libertarian, aren't you?
I get that, but this anger will never help the situation were in because it was a divide and conquer scheme devised by the very people you're helping to support.

I wrote on this very subject more than two decades ago, that the left would hold he Libertarian party in reserve until needed.

Post something concrete I said to back up this statement, "Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum."

The adage 'follow the money" has always applied, since the beginning of time. In politics, MONEY from business/investors follows winners,100%, despite ideology. I'd like  you to point to specific actions/policies he has taken as Gov. to back up your assumptions  DeSantis would become a door mat for 'the enemy'.  Big donors gotta be ecstatic about his dealing with Disney right?
As for the Libertarian Party, their moral code is far too liberal for me. But I've great respect for Ron Paul vs.COVID.

"Patriots, as in the majority of the population." If you believe that statement, you're completely delusional, IMO. 
Why do so many RINOs Leftists, continue to hold positions in office year after year, some for decades? Because the "majority of the population" are patriots?

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 02:49:04 PMPost something concrete I said to back up this statement, "Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum."

Your own words give you away, that you still think this is a local POTUS election. It Is Not!

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

I "avoided" your point because I see it as nothing more than conjecture - a subjective interpretation and connection of certain dots from past politics and automatically assuming the same applies here.

Your criticism of DeSantis primarily consist of who's backing him, rather than actions he's actually taken to promote and advance leftist ideals. You don't create the kind of national effect DeSantis did on the right by who's backing you. You cause that by dust-ups no one else is willing to have against the enemy and WINNING them.
The "Establishment may indeed be behind DeSantis for their own agenda.

"Patriots, as in the majority of the population." If you believe that statement, you're completely delusional, IMO. 
Why do so many RINOs Leftists, continue to hold positions in office year after year, some for decades? Because the "majority of the population" are patriots?
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Again, you just don't get it! Soros money played a huge part in getting RINO elected, and as I've stated countless times, the GOP rigs the election in their guys favor, leaving the constituency with little option.

How many times do you recall the Establishment stating: "You can support us, or you get stuck with a Dim" Paraphrased.

Point is, this is not an election that can be taken lightly, this is for world order, and if DeSantis were to win, he'd be saddled with a RINO Veep, just like Reagan and Trump were.

How can you dismiss the NWO in all of this, when the entire world is suffering under the pressure of their thumb?

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 02:16:10 PMWhat's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position.
You don't "wrangle China" per se. You go after America's mega corps. who give them the means to have leverage over us. DeSantis will be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 

Why did he, a potential for president and leader of a state, not have a strong position on Ukraine?

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 12:26:50 PMBelieve DeSantis would be Reaganesque when dealing with China and other communist entities. Think he'd shed some light on American mega businesses who give China leverage over us i.e. pharmaceuticals

Ok, you "believe". No facts. Nothing to go on. Nothing to base it on. But we are supposed to "believe" you know what you are talking about and take your word over NO FACTS. Sorry, can't do it.

QuoteYour questions here -lockdowns/UKraine is base on a false premise;
His "stance" implies his current positions, not those he supported in the past.

Ok, does DeSantis get mulligans on all his decisions? You do realize the war in Ukraine is a major item. We are sending BILLIONS over there. Did he not have enough time to think about it? Do you not recognize that this is how a politician acts when the polls tell him he made a boo boo?

QuoteI support his "stance" on both issues, and applaud his wisdom to acknowledge good counsel when he hears it. That's why you have advisors.

And where were those advisors before he said the stupid crap?? Did they change their minds too?

QuoteHad your question been; "isn't DeSantis weak for changing his mind on lockdowns & Ukraine?" My answer would be no.

Maybe with all the mind changing the question should have been "does he have a backbone?? How many tries does he get for each question before he checks the polls?

QuoteWhenever you,'make it right,' that's never  a weakness. Exceptions? Changing on fundament moral issues that define your character -abortion, marriage, gays, law enforcement, etc.

Sorry, he is not running for the neighborhood homeowners club. He is running for the President of the United States. When asked those softball questions he needs to learn how to NAIL them every time. We do not need another DeBiden in the white house.

QuoteAs for your Disney statement, that's merely your opinion. Moreover, your claim of little criticism is wrong too.

Sorry wrong again. The government should not be preforming a litmus test on businesses to see how they think. I thought it was deployable when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative non-profits and I do not care to see DeSantis following in Obama's footsteps.

QuoteI think DeSantis really HIT the target with all his moves on Disney.

Doesn't say much for you does it? Would you feel the same way if Biden went after companies that donate to the church?

QuoteAll the usual suspects -big money, leftist outlets, RINOs are all coming out of the woodwork now with all kinds of criticisms.
I love it...heads are exploding! But I digress.

can't get nothing right can you?  DeSantis is the one changing his mind, that's how you tell someone is hitting the panic button.

QuoteIf Trump wins, he'll send  Caitlyn Jenner over there to built a consensus. He wouldn't have the moral fortitude to stand upright on that one.

You posted this as fact. I am calling you out, either post proof, or admit you lied.

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 06:01:22 PMOk, you "believe". No facts. Nothing to go on. Nothing to base it on. But we are supposed to "believe" you know what you are talking about and take your word over NO FACTS. Sorry, can't do it.

 

Ok, does DeSantis get mulligans on all his decisions? You do realize the war in Ukraine is a major item. We are sending BILLIONS over there. Did he not have enough time to think about it? Do you not recognize that this is how a politician acts when the polls tell him he made a boo boo?

And where were those advisors before he said the stupid crap?? Did they change their minds too?

Maybe with all the mind changing the question should have been "does he have a backbone?? How many tries does he get for each question before he checks the polls?

Sorry, he is not running for the neighborhood homeowners club. He is running for the President of the United States. When asked those softball questions he needs to learn how to NAIL them every time. We do not need another DeBiden in the white house.


Sorry wrong again. The government should not be preforming a litmus test on businesses to see how they think. I thought it was deployable when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative non-profits and I do not care to see DeSantis following in Obama's footsteps.

Doesn't say much for you does it? Would you feel the same way if Biden went after companies that donate to the church?

can't get nothing right can you?  DeSantis is the one changing his mind, that's how you tell someone is hitting the panic button.



I really don't care who believes what. I'm confident in my own beliefs and proudly defend and express them, despite the level of opposition. If you don't like the answers or those expressions, the problem is yours, not mine. You don't hear me flying off the handle ranting on at another poster. Your emotional verbiage is reaching a crescendo  like you're afraid or having a panic attack. Stop it!

No. They want you to believe Ukraine is a major item. But it's not. It's a diversion.  That's what the "major item" is, the "diversion."
As for DeSantis, you tell me, you're the mind reader and story teller.

Quote from: taxed on May 02, 2023, 05:18:13 PMWhy did he, a potential for president and leader of a state, not have a strong position on Ukraine?

As a current leader of a state, why would he need a "strong position on Ukraine at all? If he gave a definitive answer isn't that strong enough?
You do know DeSantis currently is NOT a candidate in the primaries? That aside, IMO, what he said is much to do about little. I heard the response he was criticized for, and  though awkward, it was definitive. 

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 07:23:07 PMAs a current leader of a state, why would he need a "strong position on Ukraine at all? If he gave a definitive answer isn't that strong enough?
You do know DeSantis currently is NOT a candidate in the primaries? That aside, IMO, what he said is much to do about little. I heard the response he was criticized for, and  though awkward, it was definitive. 

Can you fix this? It's impossible to follow.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2023, 04:15:54 PMYour own words give you away, that you still think this is a local POTUS election. It Is Not!

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

I "avoided" your point because I see it as nothing more than conjecture - a subjective interpretation and connection of certain dots from past politics and automatically assuming the same applies here.

Your criticism of DeSantis primarily consist of who's backing him, rather than actions he's actually taken to promote and advance leftist ideals. You don't create the kind of national effect DeSantis did on the right by who's backing you. You cause that by dust-ups no one else is willing to have against the enemy and WINNING them.
The "Establishment may indeed be behind DeSantis for their own agenda.

"Patriots, as in the majority of the population." If you believe that statement, you're completely delusional, IMO. 
Why do so many RINOs Leftists, continue to hold positions in office year after year, some for decades? Because the "majority of the population" are patriots?

Again, you just don't get it! Soros money played a huge part in getting RINO elected, and as I've stated countless times, the GOP rigs the election in their guys favor, leaving the constituency with little option.

How many times do you recall the Establishment stating: "You can support us, or you get stuck with a Dim" Paraphrased.

Point is, this is not an election that can be taken lightly, this is for world order, and if DeSantis were to win, he'd be saddled with a RINO Veep, just like Reagan and Trump were.

How can you dismiss the NWO in all of this, when the entire world is suffering under the pressure of their thumb?

I stand by everything I wrote in that entire post, but will expand on a couple of items.

The most critical issues facing our country, are domestic. Clean the poison out of your own house FIRST,(foreign influences) and YOU WILL then gain the strength to overtake any unwanted outside influences - NWO.
I'm talking an inside out approach, and you continually conclude that it means dismissing it or not really knowing about it. IMO, your conclusions hold to that thinking because it isn't to your thinking, or the way you would approach the NWO problem. Therefore, I am ignorant about it.

As for the "patriots" issue. You tell me why so many are ignorant enough (in 'red' state too) to vote sell-outs in year after year, and I'll tell you why Soros is so eager to invest the money and get his RINO/Lefist candidates in. RINOs have nerve because they see herds of ignorant voters, and not many patriots.
The Founders knew who was responsible for keeping America Republican in the end. And I totally concur.

Quote from: taxed on May 02, 2023, 05:18:13 PMWhy did he, a potential for president and leader of a state, not have a strong position on Ukraine?

Q: Do you clearly understand where DeSantis said he stood on our involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict?  If so, that should make his position strong enough.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2023, 08:18:04 PMCan you fix this? It's impossible to follow.

Fixed it. Can you delete the old? T/U

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 06:01:22 PMOk, you "believe". No facts. Nothing to go on. Nothing to base it on. But we are supposed to "believe" you know what you are talking about and take your word over NO FACTS. Sorry, can't do it.

 

Ok, does DeSantis get mulligans on all his decisions? You do realize the war in Ukraine is a major item. We are sending BILLIONS over there. Did he not have enough time to think about it? Do you not recognize that this is how a politician acts when the polls tell him he made a boo boo?

And where were those advisors before he said the stupid crap?? Did they change their minds too?

Maybe with all the mind changing the question should have been "does he have a backbone?? How many tries does he get for each question before he checks the polls?

Sorry, he is not running for the neighborhood homeowners club. He is running for the President of the United States. When asked those softball questions he needs to learn how to NAIL them every time. We do not need another DeBiden in the white house.


Sorry wrong again. The government should not be preforming a litmus test on businesses to see how they think. I thought it was deployable when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative non-profits and I do not care to see DeSantis following in Obama's footsteps.

Doesn't say much for you does it? Would you feel the same way if Biden went after companies that donate to the church?

can't get nothing right can you?  DeSantis is the one changing his mind, that's how you tell someone is hitting the panic button.

You posted this as fact. I am calling you out, either post proof, or admit you lied.

I don't tell anyone here what they're suppose to believe. That's your job.


I only know for certainty where ::  DeSantis stands of issues as Gov. And what he's done.

I can't read DeSantis' mind to answer your other questions accurately.  That's your job.


So, DeSantis has officially thrown his hat into the ring? :yikes 


No, but it says a lot about DeSantis. And it's all constitutionally sound.


And your point of relevancy is???   


OMG Please tell me you have a dry sense of humor and you're really not wound that tight.
Have you ever heard of "using absurdity to bring home a point"??

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 10:41:32 PMI don't tell anyone here what they're suppose to believe. That's your job.


I only know for certainty where ::  DeSantis stands of issues as Gov. And what he's done.

I can't read DeSantis' mind to answer your other questions accurately.  That's your job.


So, DeSantis has officially thrown his hat into the ring? :yikes 


No, but it says a lot about DeSantis. And it's all constitutionally sound.


And your point of relevancy is???   


OMG Please tell me you have a dry sense of humor and you're really not wound that tight.
Have you ever heard of "using absurdity to bring home a point"??

WMK, after you hit the quote bar to respond,

hit the button on the far right above the emoji's, this will expand the page to give you more room to see. looks like four leaves.

highlight at the bottom of the page the "[quote"] and paste it at the end of the section you want to respond to. Hit enter twice to give you room to respond.

Hit enter twice after your comments to give room for the next section.


click the quote balloon above the two thumbs up emoji, highlight the next section you want to respond to and "cut" it, paste it in the quote balloon. (should look like ["quote][quote"]. Put the curser in between ][ and click to paste. 

Repeat.

Quote from: Possum on May 03, 2023, 04:57:18 AMWMK, after you hit the quote bar to respond,

hit the button on the far right above the emoji's, this will expand the page to give you more room to see. looks like four leaves.

highlight at the bottom of the page the "[quote"] and paste it at the end of the section you want to respond to. Hit enter twice to give you room to respond.   "cut" the "quote" after you highlight it. Then it will ":paste"

Hit enter twice after your comments to give room for the next section.


click the quote balloon above the two thumbs up emoji, highlight the next section you want to respond to and "cut" it, paste it in the quote balloon. (should look like ["quote][quote"]. Put the curser in between ][ and click to paste. 

Repeat.

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 08:59:35 PMI stand by everything I wrote in that entire post, but will expand on a couple of items.

The most critical issues facing our country, are domestic. Clean the poison out of your own house FIRST,(foreign influences) and YOU WILL then gain the strength to overtake any unwanted outside influences - NWO.
I'm talking an inside out approach, and you continually conclude that it means dismissing it or not really knowing about it. IMO, your conclusions hold to that thinking because it isn't to your thinking, or the way you would approach the NWO problem. Therefore, I am ignorant about it.

As for the "patriots" issue. You tell me why so many are ignorant enough (in 'red' state too) to vote sell-outs in year after year, and I'll tell you why Soros is so eager to invest the money and get his RINO/Lefist candidates in. RINOs have nerve because they see herds of ignorant voters, and not many patriots.
The Founders knew who was responsible for keeping America Republican in the end. And I totally concur.

Your own words betray you out of complete ignorance.
I've been trying to tell you our entire political system is small potatoes compared to the NWO not so secret society.
Your need to believe we can simply solve this by taking back one party and electing DeSantis is about as ignorant as it comes, a guy who actually claims China is our biggest threat.
The only threat China poses is it's interruption to the Establishments power grip domestically.

Point being, you live in a tiny bubble of domestic issues, and fail to grasp outside influences within our own country.
We're literally on the verge of complete financial collapse via the WEF, yet you magically believe a DeSantis win is a cure all?

Take a moment, grab a cup of coffee and watch a short summary of how the Nextt POTUS election may be our last if we do as you hope, and elect the Establishments choice candidate.

https://rumble.com/v2lcjm1-this-is-how-the-klaus-schwabs-wef-controls-everything-redacted-with-clayton.html

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2023, 06:30:50 AMYour own words betray you out of complete ignorance.
I've been trying to tell you our entire political system is small potatoes compared to the NWO not so secret society.
Your need to believe we can simply solve this by taking back one party and electing DeSantis is about as ignorant as it comes, a guy who actually claims China is our biggest threat.
The only threat China poses is it's interruption to the Establishments power grip domestically.

Point being, you live in a tiny bubble of domestic issues, and fail to grasp outside influences within our own country.
We're literally on the verge of complete financial collapse via the WEF, yet you magically believe a DeSantis win is a cure all?

Take a moment, grab a cup of coffee and watch a short summary of how this last POTUS election may be our last if we do as you hope, and elect the Establishments choice candidate.

Sorry it's youtube, but they aren't posting to rumble as of yet.

It would appear trump is the est candidate

Quote from: ldub23 on May 03, 2023, 06:47:03 AMIt would appear trump is the est candidate

Last time! Backup Your Ludicrous claims! I want to see your proof that Trump is a part of the NWO!
If you can't, you will have proven yourself to be the dumbest fuck to ever hit the pages of this forum, and I should know, I remember every poster who ever joined.

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2023, 06:50:14 AMLast time! Backup Your Ludicrous claims! I want to see your proof that Trump is a part of the NWO!
If you can't, you will have proven yourself to be the dumbest fuck to ever hit the pages of this forum, and I should know, I remember every poster who ever joined.

Graham barr wray ronna

Quote from: ldub23 on May 03, 2023, 01:45:59 PMGraham barr wray rona

That means absolutely nothing! Try again!

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2023, 01:46:52 PMThat means absolutely nothing! Try again!

Disney budlight

Quote from: ldub23 on May 03, 2023, 01:51:53 PMDisney budlight

Do you even know what it means to link to your lunacy?
Prove Trump is an Establishment hack!
You got booted for this same shit last time, are you going for permanency?

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2023, 06:30:50 AMYour own words betray you out of complete ignorance.
I've been trying to tell you our entire political system is small potatoes compared to the NWO not so secret society.
Your need to believe we can simply solve this by taking back one party and electing DeSantis is about as ignorant as it comes, a guy who actually claims China is our biggest threat.
The only threat China poses is it's interruption to the Establishments power grip domestically.

Point being, you live in a tiny bubble of domestic issues, and fail to grasp outside influences within our own country.
We're literally on the verge of complete financial collapse via the WEF, yet you magically believe a DeSantis win is a cure all?

Take a moment, grab a cup of coffee and watch a short summary of how the Nextt POTUS election may be our last if we do as you hope, and elect the Establishments choice candidate.

https://rumble.com/v2lcjm1-this-is-how-the-klaus-schwabs-wef-controls-everything-redacted-with-clayton.html

You've had double portions of the koolaid, haven't you. :coff 
Why is the world put one man, Trump, on such a pedestal like some sort of demi god? And why believe only he can defeat America's enemies? Are you in denial about the fact that Trump lost the battle last time around? If he was outmaneuvered by his foes last time, by what magical elixir do you think he's suddenly capable of succeeding this time? If anything, the enemies who outmaneuvered him last time are even stronger now. So why back someone they already defeated? Give account of your guy Trump, and all the foolish and stupid things he did to leave himself unguarded and flat footed, Solar. Stop telling me ad nuaseam of how dastardly his enemy are. Maybe they look that way to you because of how easily they handled the man you think is such a fighter.
I say send in the real deal,"the kid". After all, it was David who slew Goliath. Not King Saul.

Quote from: WMK on May 03, 2023, 07:53:26 PMYou've had double portions of the koolaid, haven't you. :coff 
Why is the world put one man, Trump, on such a pedestal like some sort of demi god? And why believe only he can defeat America's enemies? Are you in denial about the fact that Trump lost the battle last time around? If he was outmaneuvered by his foes last time, by what magical elixir do you think he's suddenly capable of succeeding this time? If anything, the enemies who outmaneuvered him last time are even stronger now. So why back someone they already defeated? Give account of your guy Trump, and all the foolish and stupid things he did to leave himself unguarded and flat footed, Solar. Stop telling me ad nuaseam of how dastardly his enemy are. Maybe they look that way to you because of how easily they handled the man you think is such a fighter.
I say send in the real deal,"the kid". After all, it was David who slew Goliath. Not King Saul.

Thanks for proving my point, that you know absolutely nothing about global politics.
The US has been the world leader since after WWWII, the dollar was the single currency other currencies rallied around for its stability.

Our Nation was also the most respected until Nam, then things changed, we were no longer the beacon of freedom, but a nation one feared because with this great power, came great evil, as in the CIA creating turmoil, the world knew this so they never messed with us.
If we wanted something, the global elite just made phone calls and set their plan in motion. The Middle East was a perfect place to keep things off balance, India, Pakistan, China, all of these were kept at a distance due to the power of the leading Fiat Currency that appeared to have no limit.

I really don't feel in the mood to write a history lesson, but suffice it to say, an even bigger evil had manifested in the last 40 or so years, or rather grew out of this mess and decided to bring down the US and replace us with an NWO based in Evil and not Christianity.
But we still had good people on our side that knew there was one man who could step up and do the job of taking on this evil, and that was Trump.

The world was looking for leadership to come out of the US and rally nations around the cause of good.
The CCP and Russia are not really our enemies, they are the enemies of Globalists/NATO/NWO, they share our enemies, the enemy of simple good hard working Americans, the Base, if you will, now known as patriots..

I thought you would watch the video in hopes you would see just how permeated evil is throughout the world and how the US is the only Nation powerful to stop it.
The CCP and Russia know who the real enemy and they refuse to accept its approach and how this evil NWO started a war in our name in hopes of taking over the world.
Pakistan, India, even Japan are no longer buying oil from us because the CCP and Russia have circumvented our blockades.
Japan simply said it won't play the game any longer, and this is not good news.

You do know our own Uniparty is trying to destroy the US, Right?

One would think we're watching a Hollyweird spy movie, but no one could write this shit, this is Evil  itself, which requires a special leader to recognize it and rally the Nations in defeating it.
Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, but there are a lot of historians out there far smarter on the subject than I, who can tell you the same story.
This is a matter of losing the blinders, stop listening to voices trying to destroy the one man who can change it, because these voices come from the exact same people who put H. W. Bush in office, gave the DNC everything they wanted, the exact same people backing DeSantis.

Are you seriously denying all of this, all of the history that unfolded before our very own eyes?
Have you Really allowed your hate for one man to keep you in the dark, to keep you from seeing through the lies, the evil taking place.
I know liberals more open minded than you who will at least accept there is but one party, the Uniparty and that things need to change, but you are a 'spetchal' kind of gullible, one who refuses to open their eyes for fear of learning. That after all these years of hate, were simply because you were nothing more than a tool of the left the entire time.
Everything I said can easily be verified, but that would mean accepting the fact, that we, the US is the bad guy in all of this, because we have been infiltrated by Evil.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2023, 06:21:08 AMThanks for proving my point, that you know absolutely nothing about global politics.
The US has been the world leader since after WWWII, the dollar was the single currency other currencies rallied around for its stability.

Our Nation was also the most respected until Nam, then things changed, we were no longer the beacon of freedom, but a nation one feared because with this great power, came great evil, as in the CIA creating turmoil, the world knew this so they never messed with us.
If we wanted something, the global elite just made phone calls and set their plan in motion. The Middle East was a perfect place to keep things off balance, India, Pakistan, China, all of these were kept at a distance due to the power of the leading Fiat Currency that appeared to have no limit.

I really don't feel in the mood to write a history lesson, but suffice it to say, an even bigger evil had manifested in the last 40 or so years, or rather grew out of this mess and decided to bring down the US and replace us with an NWO based in Evil and not Christianity.
But we still had good people on our side that knew there was one man who could step up and do the job of taking on this evil, and that was Trump.

The world was looking for leadership to come out of the US and rally nations around the cause of good.
The CCP and Russia are not really our enemies, they are the enemies of Globalists/NATO/NWO, they share our enemies, the enemy of simple good hard working Americans, the Base, if you will, now known as patriots..

I thought you would watch the video in hopes you would see just how permeated evil is throughout the world and how the US is the only Nation powerful to stop it.
The CCP and Russia know who the real enemy and they refuse to accept its approach and how this evil NWO started a war in our name in hopes of taking over the world.
Pakistan, India, even Japan are no longer buying oil from us because the CCP and Russia have circumvented our blockades.
Japan simply said it won't play the game any longer, and this is not good news.

You do know our own Uniparty is trying to destroy the US, Right?

One would think we're watching a Hollyweird spy movie, but no one could write this shit, this is Evil  itself, which requires a special leader to recognize it and rally the Nations in defeating it.
Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant, but there are a lot of historians out there far smarter on the subject than I, who can tell you the same story.
This is a matter of losing the blinders, stop listening to voices trying to destroy the one man who can change it, because these voices come from the exact same people who put H. W. Bush in office, gave the DNC everything they wanted, the exact same people backing DeSantis.

Are you seriously denying all of this, all of the history that unfolded before our very own eyes?
Have you Really allowed your hate for one man to keep you in the dark, to keep you from seeing through the lies, the evil taking place.
I know liberals more open minded than you who will at least accept there is but one party, the Uniparty and that things need to change, but you are a 'spetchal' kind of gullible, one who refuses to open their eyes for fear of learning. That after all these years of hate, were simply because you were nothing more than a tool of the left the entire time.
Everything I said can easily be verified, but that would mean accepting the fact, that we, the US is the bad guy in all of this, because we have been infiltrated by Evil.

You are again making my point; your continued diversion to history and the enemy, rather than accounting for Trump's record of failure against them. He's already proven not to be up to the task. There's no logic in trying to square a circle, only blind faith.   

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 07:49:09 AMYou are again making my point; your continued diversion to history and the enemy, rather than accounting for Trump's record of failure against them. He's already proven not to be up to the task. There's no logic in trying to square a circle, only blind faith.   

Tell you what. Watch the video I posted, then we may be able to continue this conversation, but until you learn what's actually going on in the world, talking to you is akin to talking to a 8th grade dropout!

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2023, 08:16:02 AMTell you what. Watch the video I posted, then we may be able to continue this conversation, but until you learn what's actually going on in the world, talking to you is akin to talking to a 8th grade dropout!

Even an "8th grade dropout" would be curious about why someone would fervently back a failed candidate, and refuse to explain why. 

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 09:02:24 AMEven an "8th grade dropout" would be curious about why someone would fervently back a failed candidate, and refuse to explain why.

Was the election stolen?

Quote from: Possum on May 04, 2023, 11:00:35 AMWas the election stolen?

With that many people being arrested for election fraud and tampering (and not being reported by the fake news), there was not an honest election and it was in fact stolen from Trump.

Quote from: Possum on May 04, 2023, 11:00:35 AMWas the election stolen?

IMO, Yes, it was stolen.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on May 04, 2023, 11:03:37 AMWith that many people being arrested for election fraud and tampering (and not being reported by the fake news), there was not an honest election and it was in fact stolen from Trump.

Not only was that election stolen, but the tactics employed were blatant, IMO.

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 12:12:02 PMIMO, Yes, it was stolen.

Then how did Trump lose the election?

Quote from: Possum on May 04, 2023, 12:41:44 PMThen how did Trump lose the election?

Not quite sure how my mean that. Put politically, Trump needed to turn around the COVID messaging ASAP. His enemies used the fear of COVID to push absentee ballots and whatever else. COVID fear presented the opportunity for many bad things to happen, politically.

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 12:51:28 PMNot quite sure how my mean that. Put politically, Trump needed to turn around the COVID messaging ASAP. His enemies used the fear of COVID to push absentee ballots and whatever else. COVID fear presented the opportunity for many bad things to happen, politically.

If the election was STOLEN, how can you say Trump lost the election????

Quote from: Possum on May 04, 2023, 01:04:34 PMIf the election was STOLEN, how can you say Trump lost the election????

IMO, had Tump acted decisively against those opposing what his political instincts were telling him re:COVID - much of the country would have been opened far quicker, and leftists would have had far less cover to employ their ballot harvesting schemes under the veil of fear provided by COVID. Had that not happened Trump would have had large margins in his victory - too large to cover up by cheating. In that sense I say Trump lost the election.

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 02:08:14 PMIMO, had Tump acted decisively against those opposing what his political instincts were telling him re:COVID - much of the country would have been opened far quicker, and leftists would have had far less cover to employ their ballot harvesting schemes under the veil of fear provided by COVID. Had that not happened Trump would have had large margins in his victory - too large to cover up by cheating. In that sense I say Trump lost the election.

Couple of items, ballot harvesting and the big one, "mail out ballots" were ramped up due to judges unconstitutionally (there's that damn word again) allowing Governors and federal judges to change the voting rules. They were changed, you're right under the guise and fear of covid, but the sole purpose was to get Trump out of office. Nothing Trump could have done would have changed that. Liberal cities, liberal states would not have reopened, at all. We also had five states close down counting, adjustments just seemed to happen and wow, Biden surged to the lead. There was only one purpose in stopping the count, to get Trump out of office.

The whole scam of the election, the cheating, was to get Trump out of office, I do not think there would have been anything Trump could have enacted that could have stopped that. There were too many Obama judges lined up ready to rule on anything Trump tried. One only has to look at all the cases patriots brought before courts, and dismissed. The truth was to remain covered. The biggest crime, the biggest scandal, IMHO, not only did the republicans not back Trump, they WERE AGAINST EVEN INVESTIGATING states were whistleblowers were screaming their heads off. 

You have mentioned in other posts, Trump did not drain the swamp. I do not think he or anyone could, maybe in the future, things are changing. One definition of the deep state I saw a while back, the deep state is those who really control the money. All of it. The banks. The transfers. The trades. The energy. And WHO gets in office. In 2016 the people said no more, we elected Trump. The deep state knew we would do the same in 2020. 2024 needs to show that the people can win again.

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 09:02:24 AMEven an "8th grade dropout" would be curious about why someone would fervently back a failed candidate, and refuse to explain why.

I'm done with your ignorance until you watch the short video and can discuss the issue intelligently.

Quote from: Possum on May 04, 2023, 02:43:12 PMCouple of items, ballot harvesting and the big one, "mail out ballots" were ramped up due to judges unconstitutionally (there's that damn word again) allowing Governors and federal judges to change the voting rules. They were changed, you're right under the guise and fear of covid, but the sole purpose was to get Trump out of office. Nothing Trump could have done would have changed that. Liberal cities, liberal states would not have reopened, at all. We also had five states close down counting, adjustments just seemed to happen and wow, Biden surged to the lead. There was only one purpose in stopping the count, to get Trump out of office.

The whole scam of the election, the cheating, was to get Trump out of office, I do not think there would have been anything Trump could have enacted that could have stopped that. There were too many Obama judges lined up ready to rule on anything Trump tried. One only has to look at all the cases patriots brought before courts, and dismissed. The truth was to remain covered. The biggest crime, the biggest scandal, IMHO, not only did the republicans not back Trump, they WERE AGAINST EVEN INVESTIGATING states were whistleblowers were screaming their heads off. 

You have mentioned in other posts, Trump did not drain the swamp. I do not think he or anyone could, maybe in the future, things are changing. One definition of the deep state I saw a while back, the deep state is those who really control the money. All of it. The banks. The transfers. The trades. The energy. And WHO gets in office. In 2016 the people said no more, we elected Trump. The deep state knew we would do the same in 2020. 2024 needs to show that the people can win again.

He's a one horse shit show stuck in the past. He refuses to acknowledge the fact that our economy was never better.
But he has an emotional bent over Trump and no amount of facts is going to change that.

He'd rather we have another Bush in office than to see Trump succeed again. How sad is that?

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2023, 05:40:22 PMHe's a one horse shit show stuck in the past. He refuses to acknowledge the fact that our economy was never better.
But he has an emotional bent over Trump and no amount of facts is going to change that.

He'd rather we have another Bush in office than to see Trump succeed again. How sad is that?

I'm guessing a young leftist. The reference to Reagan was just make believe, failed to prove he is conservative. Other than the reference, I don't think he has said anything that makes me believe he is out of his 30's yet. Bad bad case of orange man bad. His writing style seems to come straight out of a bottle the later he posts.  :lol: 

Quote from: Possum on May 04, 2023, 05:53:57 PMI'm guessing a young leftist. The reference to Reagan was just make believe, failed to prove he is conservative. Other than the reference, I don't think he has said anything that makes me believe he is out of his 30's yet. Bad bad case of orange man bad. His writing style seems to come straight out of a bottle the later he posts.  :lol: 

Agree. I saw through his agenda from the get go, but since he's relatively cordial and well spoken, grammar aside, he still engages...Up to a point.
I'm waiting for him to watch the short video so we can discuss it.

Did you take the time to see it? I really like the husband and wife team, one of the more intelligent commentators out there.

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 09:45:06 PMQ: Do you clearly understand where DeSantis said he stood on our involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict?  If so, that should make his position strong enough.

Which one?

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2023, 08:10:45 PMWhich one?

"Position" is singular. He only has one. But you knew that.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2023, 06:47:47 PMAgree. I saw through his agenda from the get go, but since he's relatively cordial and well spoken, grammar aside, he still engages...Up to a point.
I'm waiting for him to watch the short video so we can discuss it.

Did you take the time to see it? I really like the husband and wife team, one of the more intelligent commentators out there.

:thumbup: The video did a pretty good job of bringing it all together. He could have pointed out every democrat, rino, and half of the conservatives as being on board with what the deep state if pushing. He did bring out what people need to understand, I wished he would touched on it more, the deep state is not just a few wacko politicians, the deep state controls the money. All of it. Schwab, Soros, Rothchild, and the list goes on.

Quote from: Possum on May 05, 2023, 04:08:09 AM:thumbup: The video did a pretty good job of bringing it all together. He could have pointed out every democrat, rino, and half of the conservatives as being on board with what the deep state if pushing. He did bring out what people need to understand, I wished he would touched on it more, the deep state is not just a few wacko politicians, the deep state controls the money. All of it. Schwab, Soros, Rothchild, and the list goes on.

That's why I watch all their work, they do a great job in such a short amount of time explaining the current events tied to the past.
They seldom make predictions, they leave that up to the viewers intellect to put it together.
I don't know who is backing this couple, but it was no accident they have  so much inside information and able to paint such a clear mage.

Here's the latest video, the Marxist NWO is trying hard to close the noose on the American currency so they can own the digital currency.
How is it WMK can't see the bigger picture? Is this the result of emotion clouding critical thought, TDS?

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 09:09:30 PM"Position" is singular. He only has one. But you knew that.

Quote from: WMK on May 04, 2023, 09:09:30 PM"Position" is singular. He only has one. But you knew that.

Are you just going to run away and avoid me? You joined an actual debate forum, a forum you claimed would give you a challenge.
Well, here it is, you are being challenged.
I posted something for you to watch so as to broaden the field for discussion and not myopically close it around tiny issue, the commie flu.

But you simply ignored it, why is that? Are you afraid you may have put all of your emotional baggage on the wrong boat, and now realizing it's doomed to sink, you can't face the fact that your so called "Ideology" is flawed because it was based on emotion and not in critical thought?

Quote from: Solar on May 05, 2023, 05:27:23 AMAre you just going to run away and avoid me? You joined an actual debate forum, a forum you claimed would give you a challenge.
Well, here it is, you are being challenged.
I posted something for you to watch so as to broaden the field for discussion and not myopically close it around tiny issue, the commie flu.

But you simply ignored it, why is that? Are you afraid you may have put all of your emotional baggage on the wrong boat, and now realizing it's doomed to sink, you can't face the fact that your so called "Ideology" is flawed because it was based on emotion and not in critical thought?

I'm pretty confident in my conservatism and don't feel the need to debate every issue when I know certain individuals will never believe or accept what say. In fact it was you yourself who said you refuse to discuss this issue any further due to my ignorance and emotional state. So why continue to press an issue where you're essentially saying I'm too stupid to understand?

Quote from: WMK on May 05, 2023, 06:28:09 AMI'm pretty confident in my conservatism and don't feel the need to debate every issue when I know certain individuals will never believe or accept what say. In fact it was you yourself who said you refuse to discuss this issue any further due to my ignorance and emotional state. So why continue to press an issue where you're essentially saying I'm too stupid to understand?

Then prove me wrong and watch the short video. If you are so certain of your stance, then why cower from the truth?
That's why I said, if you refuse to debate, then why should anyone waste their time on you.
You have now backed yourself into a corner and don't see a way out, so you refuse to look at the evidence before you.

I stated my case through history and evidence of the Establishments track record of backing people they know they can control.
Trump on the other hand refuses to play their evil game, instead, he knows the real issue is the global evil facing the world, and unless its stopped, we can kiss our Republic good bye.

Out of nowhere, in steps DeSantis, pretty much a great Governor, but that's it, and if you were to watch the video, you'd see just why he is too young for the WH.
But even mor telling, is his financial backers, people literally leading the Establishments power, and backed by the GOP Elite.

Yet you have failed to prove how DeSantis will be his own man when his backers are the ones feeding him intelligence, like backing a  war over Taiwan.
Why do we care about a tiny island where the island is split on its political support in returning to China?
Why are they trying to go to war with China?

In other words, the Establishment is trying to protect its own interests because without Taiwan, they loose cheap labor.
That's it in a nutshell, yet you think the POTUS election is about the US?
Then there's the issue with Ukraine and the Deep State Establishment. Again, trying to protect its interests from money laundering to big pharma, and still you refuse to watch a simple video.

What does it take to get through the head of a 30 something kid with TDS? Tell me, what do you need to see to get you to pull your head out of the sand, wipe your eyes and see reality for what it is?

Watch the video and we can continue the discussion. I assure you, it won't hurt.

Quote from: Solar on May 05, 2023, 08:13:21 AMThen prove me wrong and watch the short video. If you are so certain of your stance, then why cower from the truth?
That's why I said, if you refuse to debate, then why should anyone waste their time on you.
You have now backed yourself into a corner and don't see a way out, so you refuse to look at the evidence before you.

I stated my case through history and evidence of the Establishments track record of backing people they know they can control.
Trump on the other hand refuses to play their evil game, instead, he knows the real issue is the global evil facing the world, and unless its stopped, we can kiss our Republic good bye.

Out of nowhere, in steps DeSantis, pretty much a great Governor, but that's it, and if you were to watch the video, you'd see just why he is too young for the WH.
But even mor telling, is his financial backers, people literally leading the Establishments power, and backed by the GOP Elite.

Yet you have failed to prove how DeSantis will be his own man when his backers are the ones feeding him intelligence, like backing a  war over Taiwan.
Why do we care about a tiny island where the island is split on its political support in returning to China?
Why are they trying to go to war with China?

In other words, the Establishment is trying to protect its own interests because without Taiwan, they loose cheap labor.
That's it in a nutshell, yet you think the POTUS election is about the US?
Then there's the issue with Ukraine and the Deep State Establishment. Again, trying to protect its interests from money laundering to big pharma, and still you refuse to watch a simple video.

What does it take to get through the head of a 30 something kid with TDS? Tell me, what do you need to see to get you to pull your head out of the sand, wipe your eyes and see reality for what it is?

Watch the video and we can continue the discussion. I assure you, it won't hurt.

A circular argument is not a "discussion." If what DeSantis has accomplished, and continues to accomplish, has no bearing on how he would govern as POTUS, there's nothing to discuss anyway. There, we are in total disagreement. You want answers, but don't acknowledge them unless it's fitted to your agenda. Hence, a circular argument ensues.

Thirty something?  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl.

Quote from: WMK on May 05, 2023, 10:56:31 AMA circular argument is not a "discussion." If what DeSantis has accomplished, and continues to accomplish, has no bearing on how he would govern as POTUS, there's nothing to discuss anyway. There, we are in total disagreement. You want answers, but don't acknowledge them unless it's fitted to your agenda. Hence, a circular argument ensues.

Thirty something?  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl.

Quit running away, I posted a great video, which by now I assume you watched, and don't want to acknowledge, that DeSantis would be completely out of his league on world affairs.

You claim DeSantis "has accomplished, and continues to accomplish"? Everything he's accomplished was due to the Legislature, by comparison Trump accomplished global change and a world class economy despite a hostile Congress, and you think Ron is somehow qualified to step into the WH?

What and who will support him if he were to be elected, who would fill his Cabinet?
Now, look at his financial backers and tell me he would be his own man.
Yeah, 30 something, because you think like a kid who just started paying attention to politics!

Quote from: WMK on May 05, 2023, 10:56:31 AMA circular argument is not a "discussion." If what DeSantis has accomplished, and continues to accomplish, has no bearing on how he would govern as POTUS, there's nothing to discuss anyway. There, we are in total disagreement. You want answers, but don't acknowledge them unless it's fitted to your agenda. Hence, a circular argument ensues.

Thirty something?  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl.

How can one person be so damned ignorant of Global issues, yet claim to be a Conservative?

That what you think as merely a US issue, is about as nescient as is possible without being an idiot lib.
Don't think for one second I'll let your lack of intellect slide. No, this is a teaching forum, a forum where people who don't like to engage in debate, get to see the outcome of others engaging.

I want the world to see why DeSantis is just a leftist pawn being propped up by leftist progressive (Marxists) in the GOP.
See if you can grasp the reality of what is going on in the rest of the world. I know I readers are.

Hell, even PM Orban of Hungary gets it!
Are you afraid of the truth, and just refuse to read his speech? I'm betting yes!

I am sure that if Trump were president, no war would be hitting Ukraine and Europe today, so come back Mr. President and make America great again and bring us peace.

https://hungarytoday.hu/cpac-hungary-opens-its-doors-with-rousing-speech-from-pm-orban/

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 06:46:36 AMHow can one person be so damned ignorant of Global issues, yet claim to be a Conservative?

That what you think as merely a US issue, is about as nescient as is possible without being an idiot lib.
Don't think for one second I'll let your lack of intellect slide. No, this is a teaching forum, a forum where people who don't like to engage in debate, get to see the outcome of others engaging.

I want the world to see why DeSantis is just a leftist pawn being propped up by leftist progressive (Marxists) in the GOP.
See if you can grasp the reality of what is going on in the rest of the world. I know I readers are.

Hell, even PM Orban of Hungary gets it!
Are you afraid of the truth, and just refuse to read his speech? I'm betting yes!

I am sure that if Trump were president, no war would be hitting Ukraine and Europe today, so come back Mr. President and make America great again and bring us peace.

https://hungarytoday.hu/cpac-hungary-opens-its-doors-with-rousing-speech-from-pm-orban/

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 06:46:36 AMHow can one person be so damned ignorant of Global issues, yet claim to be a Conservative?

That what you think as merely a US issue, is about as nescient as is possible without being an idiot lib.
Don't think for one second I'll let your lack of intellect slide. No, this is a teaching forum, a forum where people who don't like to engage in debate, get to see the outcome of others engaging.

I want the world to see why DeSantis is just a leftist pawn being propped up by leftist progressive (Marxists) in the GOP.
See if you can grasp the reality of what is going on in the rest of the world. I know I readers are.

Hell, even PM Orban of Hungary gets it!
Are you afraid of the truth, and just refuse to read his speech? I'm betting yes!

I am sure that if Trump were president, no war would be hitting Ukraine and Europe today, so come back Mr. President and make America great again and bring us peace.

https://hungarytoday.hu/cpac-hungary-opens-its-doors-with-rousing-speech-from-pm-orban/

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 06:46:36 AMHow can one person be so damned ignorant of Global issues, yet claim to be a Conservative?

That what you think as merely a US issue, is about as nescient as is possible without being an idiot lib.
Don't think for one second I'll let your lack of intellect slide. No, this is a teaching forum, a forum where people who don't like to engage in debate, get to see the outcome of others engaging.

I want the world to see why DeSantis is just a leftist pawn being propped up by leftist progressive (Marxists) in the GOP.
See if you can grasp the reality of what is going on in the rest of the world. I know I readers are.

Hell, even PM Orban of Hungary gets it!
Are you afraid of the truth, and just refuse to read his speech? I'm betting yes!

I am sure that if Trump were president, no war would be hitting Ukraine and Europe today, so come back Mr. President and make America great again and bring us peace.

https://hungarytoday.hu/cpac-hungary-opens-its-doors-with-rousing-speech-from-pm-orban/

Without the need to resort to a lengthy dissertation or,visceral commentary about what's really going on in the world, let me just give you a brief encapsulation ; Western Civilization, as we knew it, is on the verge of collapse, along with the Judeo-Christian credo from which it rose to power.

Quote from: WMK on May 06, 2023, 08:29:28 AMWithout the need to resort to a lengthy dissertation or,visceral commentary about what's really going on in the world, let me just give you a brief encapsulation ; Western Civilization, as we knew it, is on the verge of collapse, along with the Judeo-Christian credo from which it rose to power.

Like I stated earlier, this is a war between good and evil, stretching far beyond our borders.
One man has proven himself to be the chosen one the world is begging for, not some untested kid backed by the GOP Establishment!

Hello, Is This Thing On?

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 02:05:14 PMLike I stated earlier, this is a war between good and evil, stretching far beyond our borders.
One man has proven himself to be the chosen one the world is begging for, not some untested kid backed by the GOP Establishment!

Hello, Is This Thing On?

Desantis destroyed dem party in fla. Trump not so much

Quote from: ldub23 on May 06, 2023, 02:47:15 PMDesantis destroyed dem party in fla. Trump not so much

You really are a mental midget!
Trump destroyed the entire DNC, that party is dead. You do know that's why they stole the election, Right? :glare:

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 02:05:14 PMHello, Is This Thing On?

Hope it is "on".  Maybe you'll grasp what I posted and all that it entails.

Quote from: WMK on May 06, 2023, 04:03:16 PMHope it is "on".  Maybe you'll grasp what I posted and all that it entails.

What needs to be grasped about the statement " we are losing our civilization,"  is it is not just the democrats that exist in this country who are looking to destroy it. A quick look at the parties leaders, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, Hillary, and the list goes on, are far too stupid to pull this off. I do not know how many times it has to be explained that the forces hell bent on destroying this country are on a world stage, they control other countries, they live all over the world, they bank all over, their business is all over, etc.

To win this war we need someone to lead this country who has operated on a world stage. You can not tell us how DeSantis can function on a world stage because he has never done so. You can tell us how you think he will act, how you hope he will act, but right now you can not tell us how he WILL act. I KNOW how Trump will act. His world policy was a success in EVERY aspect, from North Korea, to Europe, to the Middle East, to China, to Russia, every where he went two items happened, he put America first, the world became a safer place.

Quote from: WMK on May 06, 2023, 04:03:16 PMHope it is "on".  Maybe you'll grasp what I posted and all that it entails.

You completely ignored what Viktor Orban said regarding Trump, no, he did not say DeSantis because he knows he's nothing but a puppet of the Establishment.
Hell, it seems you're the only clueless on left who doesn't see through the facade.

With history as your guide, when has the Establishment GOP ever backed a Conservative?

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 06:24:58 PMYou completely ignored what Viktor Orban said regarding Trump, no, he did not say DeSantis because he knows he's nothing but a puppet of the Establishment.
Hell, it seems you're the only clueless on left who doesn't see through the facade.

With history as your guide, when has the Establishment GOP ever backed a Conservative?

Well, they're lined up with Trump, so wouldn't that be an example? Oops. Forgot you don't consider a conservative either.

Quote from: Possum on May 06, 2023, 05:11:25 PMWhat needs to be grasped about the statement " we are losing our civilization,"  is it is not just the democrats that exist in this country who are looking to destroy it. A quick look at the parties leaders, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, Hillary, and the list goes on, are far too stupid to pull this off.

That's probably been the case since two opposing world views existed on the planet earth at the same time.
But read history, ancient and otherwise. Empires weaken when the traditions/credos that made them strong begin to fade or are abandoned. Only then will external influences begin to penetrate their once invincible interior. What America needs first and foremost is a revival of those tradition/Credos that brought her to the pinnacle of power. And it must begin at the bottom (the people) and works it way up through our system of government. "Physician heal theyself" applies here too. America must cure it's own infirmities before focusing on others. The 'Trump saves' credo is a top-down ideal destined for failure in the end.

Quote from: WMK on May 06, 2023, 09:40:35 PMWell, they're lined up with Trump, so wouldn't that be an example? Oops. Forgot you don't consider a conservative either.

You've got nothing to prove that Ron will be a Conservative on the global stage. All you can point to is a Conservative Florida Legislature handing him Bills to sign, that's it!
While you completely ignore his moneyed backers from the far left GOP and pretend he'll be another Rand Paul.

Your TDS has totally destroyed what little critical thought you had left.

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 04:17:01 AMYou've got nothing to prove that Ron will be a Conservative on the global stage. All you can point to is a Conservative Florida Legislature handing him Bills to sign, that's it!
While you completely ignore his moneyed backers from the far left GOP and pretend he'll be another Rand Paul.

Your TDS has totally destroyed what little critical thought you had left.

:thumbup:  It's not a question of "so what if he accepts endorsements from rinos", the question is "why are the rinos endorsing him"?

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 05:19:52 AM:thumbup:  It's not a question of "so what if he accepts endorsements from rinos", the question is "why are the rinos endorsing him"?

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:
He wants to ignore history. What other group have we seen take this very same mindset?

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 04:17:01 AMYou've got nothing to prove that Ron will be a Conservative on the global stage. All you can point to is a Conservative Florida Legislature handing him Bills to sign, that's it!
While you completely ignore his moneyed backers from the far left GOP and pretend he'll be another Rand Paul.

Your TDS has totally destroyed what little critical thought you had left.

Yep. DeSantis has his signature on plenty meaningful conservative legislation. That's good enough for me. Deeds "trump" rhetoric, every time, Solar.
The deeds are his. The rhetoric is yours.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:04:48 AMYep. DeSantis has his signature on plenty meaningful conservative legislation. That's good enough for me. Deeds "trump" rhetoric, every time, Solar.
The deeds are his. The rhetoric is yours.

Now just imagine for a second if he'd had a leftist Legislature?
There's be no DeSantis for you to adore.

Yet Trump, he had to deal with a leftist GOP, and still managed to pull off a phenomenal economy, a world class global policy without starting a single war. DeSantis supports war in Taiwan...

There is no comparison between these two men, yet you are some how certain he will be a better POTUS than Trump?
Talk about delusional...

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:04:48 AMYep. DeSantis has his signature on plenty meaningful conservative legislation. That's good enough for me. Deeds "trump" rhetoric, every time, Solar.
The deeds are his. The rhetoric is yours.

https://floridianpress.com/2023/05/desantis-still-wants-defamation-bill-targeting-conservative-and-legacy-media-outlets-video/

QuoteDeSantis Still Wants Defamation Bill Targeting Conservative and 'Legacy' Media Outlets

QuoteGov. DeSantis said that he did not want to "incentivize frivolous lawsuits, but both bills presented and later killed in both the Senate and House of Representatives did just that

It's a good thing DeSantis can enjoy the benefits of a conservative congress. Can you explain why DeSantis insists on meddling in businesses?

QuoteShortly after DeSantis's defamation bill began to track in the Florida legislature, conservative media outlets of all sizes around the state began to rail against the proposed measure,

Rep. Cory Mills (R) also took notice and sent a blistering letter to the Florida legislature expressing his concern over the proposed bill (s).

The opposition was so loud that the measure was quickly killed, and "legacy media" news outlets took notice.

Quote"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis could be on the verge of causing himself a historic and irreparable self-inflicted political wound if he signs into law a controversial legislative measure targeting Free Speech and media outlets." (Source-The Floridian)

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 07:23:01 AMhttps://floridianpress.com/2023/05/desantis-still-wants-defamation-bill-targeting-conservative-and-legacy-media-outlets-video/

It's a good thing DeSantis can enjoy the benefits of a conservative congress. Can you explain why DeSantis insists on meddling in businesses?

I said legislations signed and passed.
As for your version of 'meddling' in businesses, why did Disney start the "meddling" in the affairs of state?

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 07:10:19 AMNow just imagine for a second if he'd had a leftist Legislature?
There's be no DeSantis for you to adore.

Yet Trump, he had to deal with a leftist GOP, and still managed to pull off a phenomenal economy, a world class global policy without starting a single war. DeSantis supports war in Taiwan...

There is no comparison between these two men, yet you are some how certain he will be a better POTUS than Trump?
Talk about delusional...

That's your problem, Solar you deal in hearsay and imagery. I focus on what is reality action taken, accomplishments completed.
Nothing is "certain". But the "records" of how both finished their fight says it all. -one fell short, the other, stronger than ever.  Talkin' about factual.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:46:57 AMI said legislations signed and passed.
As for your version of 'meddling' in businesses, why did Disney start the "meddling" in the affairs of state?

Big difference in business trying to influence government and the government trying to influence business. One of them has the power to put you in jail, the other does not. Business can not create ONE LAW that government has to follow. Several posts ago I asked you a question which went unanswered. When Obama used to IRS to go after conservative non-profit groups did you approve of his action? If not, do you approve DeSantis going after the property tax rate of Disney?

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 08:02:24 AMThat's your problem, Solar you deal in hearsay and imagery. I focus on what is reality action taken, accomplishments completed.
Nothing is "certain". But the "records" of how both finished their fight says it all. -one fell short, the other, stronger than ever.  Talkin' about factual.

Translation: I've got nothin, so I throw word salad, in hopes of passing it off as a reply.
Kind of getting annoying!

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 08:37:14 AMTranslation: I've got nothin, so I throw word salad, in hopes of passing it off as a reply.
Kind of getting annoying!

You bet if gets annoying. Facts will do that to you i.e. no wall, Obamacare not repealed. But wait, he did balloon the deficit, even prior to COVID, and despite tax cuts.

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 08:29:18 AMBig difference in business trying to influence government and the government trying to influence business. One of them has the power to put you in jail, the other does not. Business can not create ONE LAW that government has to follow. Several posts ago I asked you a question which went unanswered. When Obama used to IRS to go after conservative non-profit groups did you approve of his action? If not, do you approve DeSantis going after the property tax rate of Disney?

You need to do a little homework, Possum. What DeSantis sign legislatively was completely within the bounds of state government. What did Obama legislate concerning the IRS?  Don't compare Gestapo tactics to State law. Can't square a circle. 

Weaponizing the government against the religious liberties granted by the Constitution is not a good comparative to Disney/DeSantis

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 11:31:41 AMYou need to do a little homework, Possum. What DeSantis sign legislatively was completely within the bounds of state government. What did Obama legislate concerning the IRS?  Don't compare Gestapo tactics to State law. Can't square a circle.

Maybe you just need to learn to read. I asked if you approved when DeSantis used what Disney was putting into movies as a reason to change their property tax rates. If a governor has that power and not the discretion to know how to use it, EVERY BUSINESS in Florida will be open to paying a penalty for their beliefs. I do not agree with the way Disney preached wokeism, but I disagree more with the litmus test DeSantis is now using. So, should property tax rates be based on a governors opinion of YOUR beliefs?? You claim to be a conservative, let's see it.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 11:59:19 AMWeaponizing the government against the religious liberties granted by the Constitution is not a good comparative to Disney/DeSantis

Damn can you read anything correctly?? Obama was going after conservative non-profits, some of them had NOTHING to do with religion. Those non-profits did not pass Obama's litmus test the same way Disney did not pass DeSantis' litmus test.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 11:22:48 AMYou bet if gets annoying. Facts will do that to you i.e. no wall, Obamacare not repealed. But wait, he did balloon the deficit, even prior to COVID, and despite tax cuts.

Trump could not repeal Obamacare, READ YOUR DAMN CONSTITUTION FOR ONCE!!!

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 11:22:48 AMYou bet if gets annoying. Facts will do that to you i.e. no wall, Obamacare not repealed. But wait, he did balloon the deficit, even prior to COVID, and despite tax cuts.

So has it sunk in yet that Trump was up against the NWO GOP?
You know the truth, so cut the crap!

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 11:22:48 AMYou bet if gets annoying. Facts will do that to you i.e. no wall, Obamacare not repealed. But wait, he did balloon the deficit, even prior to COVID, and despite tax cuts.

Did Trump write the budget? have you ever read the constitution?

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 04:18:16 PMDid Trump write the budget? have you ever read the constitution?

Always with the excuses. You're diminishing yourself here, Possum. Here's the thing, you can't believe in 'Trump saves' if you have to keep saying 'he's only one man', and "did Trump write the budget?" nonsense. You make Trump out to be a 'dragon slayer' then, always tell me how vast and great his enemies are.
Sure, he may have 'exposed' the enemy within, but he proved not to be sharp enough to play them and defeat them. Fact is, most all the good he did accomplish, was lost in the end. He got rolled pretty good in the end.
Time for someone smarter, younger, and more principled in conservative values to take the reins. Backing a proven looser is not smart politics, but one born of a rationale that's steeped in emotions of anger, pride etc. 

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 04:18:16 PMDid Trump write the budget? have you ever read the constitution?

He wants to blame Trump for not getting the border completed. :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

But his guy will get the RINO to do everything the Establishment Wants DONE. :sneaky:

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 06:39:55 PMAlways with the excuses. You're diminishing yourself here, Possum. Here's the thing, you can't believe in 'Trump saves' if you have to keep saying 'he's only one man', and "did Trump write the budget?" nonsense. You make Trump out to be a 'dragon slayer' then, always tell me how vast and great his enemies are.
Sure, he may have 'exposed' the enemy within, but he proved not to be sharp enough to play them and defeat them. Fact is, most all the good he did accomplish, was lost in the end. He got rolled pretty good in the end.
Time for someone smarter, younger, and more principled in conservative values to take the reins. Backing a proven looser is not smart politics, but one born of a rationale that's steeped in emotions of anger, pride etc. 

You know the truth, so cut the crap!
But honestly, can you convince anyone anywhere, that Ron will be able to take on the global NWO issues?

No one has seen one single bit of proof he can, and Disney is akin to taking on a 5th grade class compared to the global Evil just waiting to pounce on the inexperienced kid.

Keep in mind, the Establishment is backing Ron, so you can bet your ass he'll have losers in his Cabinet just like Bush did... Essence of Cheney/Rice/Powell.
And you thought Trump chose badly, it was the Establishment that saddled him as well with the likes of the traitor Pence.

But Ron is somehow different? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 06:50:35 PMYou know the truth, so cut the crap!
But honestly, can you convince anyone anywhere, that Ron will be able to take on the global NWO issues?

No one has seen one single bit of proof he can, and Disney is akin to taking on a 5th grade class compared to the global Evil just waiting to pounce on the inexperienced kid.

Keep in mind, the Establishment is backing Ron, so you can bet your ass he'll have losers in his Cabinet just like Bush did... Essence of Cheney/Rice/Powell.
And you thought Trump chose badly, it was the Establishment that saddled him as well with the likes of the traitor Pence.

But Ron is somehow different? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Evil empire??? Hell, Trump got rolled by his own enemies from within. And they're only water boys for the NWO.  Give me a novice any day rather than someone who can't even outmaneuver his own enemies from within.  Conservatism must come from the heart, Solar. Without it, you'll never be able to muster the political will it takes to defeat the enemies we face.  Learn it, love it, live it.

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 01:42:13 PMTrump could not repeal Obamacare, READ YOUR DAMN CONSTITUTION FOR ONCE!!!

Sure he cold have, but would have meant having the ability to negotiate and out maneuver his own majorities, rather get played by them. And they did so even after repeatedly telling voters "Obamacare" was their #1 priority. Those big, bad wascly wepublicans proved just too much, for the "Art of the Deal" author to handle.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 06:39:55 PMAlways with the excuses. You're diminishing yourself here, Possum.

Sorry wrong again, YOU are the one who keeps concentrating on areas where Trump did not have the constitutionality to make the changes. Only congress could have changed Obamacare. Even which the hate you have for Trump, which is controlling your comments, you should know the constitutional powers the branches of government have and do not have.  This is one of the problems with trying to debate politics with someone who does not understand the constitutional powers. They do not understand why things do and do not happen.

QuoteHere's the thing, you can't believe in 'Trump saves' if you have to keep saying 'he's only one man', and "did Trump write the budget?" nonsense.

No one said Trump can solve all the problems, (you really need to learn how to understand what is being written) we are saying he is the best man for the job. Trump can not just magically wipe out the deep state, but by exposing it the process can start. Here is another example, is you believe the president is responsible for all spending, it will need to be exposed how ignorant that comment is so that you can then start learning how the constitution is set up.

QuoteYou make Trump out to be a 'dragon slayer' then, always tell me how vast and great his enemies are.

Not only do you not understand the constitution, you really do not know what the deep state is.

QuoteSure, he may have 'exposed' the enemy within,

It took a while but you finally showed something!!!!!!!!!!

Quotebut he proved not to be sharp enough to play them and defeat them.

And then slipped back down.

QuoteFact is, most all the good he did accomplish, was lost in the end. He got rolled pretty good in the end.

Try again.

QuoteTime for someone smarter, younger, andTime for someone smarter, younger, and more principled in conservative values to take the reins. Backing a proven looser is not smart politics, but one born of a rationale that's steeped in emotions of anger, pride etc.  Backing a proven looser is not smart politics, but one born of a rationale that's steeped in emotions of anger, pride etc.

Is that why democrats and rinos are backing DeSantis? If he is " principled in conservative values" as you believe, why are so many to the left backing him? This is a question you should be asking yourself, why do the rinos not see how conservative he is? If he is the one to stop this slide the country is in u8nder Biden, why is he counting on their support to help him? So far you can not point to how he has made Florida any better and how he can transfer that to the national and world stage. You are dealing only in emotions in your support. And I have to ask, why do you not remember past posts. This is another one of your posts where you are asking questions that have already been answered, MANY TIMES. Once more, before the pandemic hit, and governors like DeSantis unconstitutionally locked down this country which allowed the election to be stolen, Trump had America roaring again. I will vote for him because he is the man to get it back.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:30:38 PMSure he cold have, but would have meant having the ability to negotiate and out maneuver his own majorities, rather get played by them. And they did so even after repeatedly telling voters "Obamacare" was their #1 priority. Those big, bad wascly wepublicans proved just too much, for the "Art of the Deal" author to handle.

You have made a lot of just plain stupid comments, congratulations, this one tops all of them. It would have taken sixty votes in the senate, they were not there. Period! You really need to learn the constitution.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 06:59:57 PMEvil empire??? Hell, Trump got rolled by his own enemies from within. And they're only water boys for the NWO.  Give me a novice any day rather than someone who can't even outmaneuver his own enemies from within.  Conservatism must come from the heart, Solar. Without it, you'll never be able to muster the political will it takes to defeat the enemies we face.  Learn it, love it, live it.

Stop the act that you are conservative, you're not. We have been on to you and have seen right through you from the beginning. You were called out. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Damn good thing clichés are free or your posts would be getting quite expensive.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:30:38 PMSure he cold have, but would have meant having the ability to negotiate and out maneuver his own majorities, rather get played by them. And they did so even after repeatedly telling voters "Obamacare" was their #1 priority. Those big, bad wascly wepublicans proved just too much, for the "Art of the Deal" author to handle.

Again, read your constitution.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 06:59:57 PMEvil empire??? Hell, Trump got rolled by his own enemies from within. And they're only water boys for the NWO. 

By the same people backing your piker kid. Ohhhh, The irony! Do you hear yourself? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

QuoteGive me a novice any day rather than someone who can't even outmaneuver his own enemies from within.

That's exactly what you're getting, a novice kid, someone with few connections, probably zero conservative.
At his age, to be interested in running for president, speaks volumes of ulterior motives.

QuoteConservatism must come from the heart, Solar. Without it, you'll never be able to muster the political will it takes to defeat the enemies we face.  Learn it, love it, live it.

I don't think you know the understand true value of Conservatism.
Right now, I don't want really want a true conservative in office, I demand a patriot willing to get his hands bloody, a man willing to bruise his soul and send our enemies to Hell.

I've a feeling your kid would lead us into fascism.

Your small mindedness is very scary, so much so, you want an untested kid taking on the world.
Why is that? I asked you to take this time to convince your audience of his value, prove how he'll play on a global stage against the likes of the NWO, CCP, Russia, Hell, Charles Schwab and his Marxist ilk, the UN/WHO/NATO, (ALL OF WHICH BELONG TO THE ENEMY), when he can't even pull all of Florida's sheriff/cities in line, and you think his young ass is ready for the big league?

Even you don't know that much about the guy, or simply hate Trump that much to ask the Right questions.
Like why is he letting the enemy back him in a quest for the highest office in the land?
It's as if your worship of this kid falls under a cult type religion. You refuse to see anything wrong with the guy, a blind faith kind of worship.

This isn't healthy....

Quote from: Possum on May 08, 2023, 04:36:13 AMSorry wrong again, YOU are the one who keeps concentrating on areas where Trump did not have the constitutionality to make the changes. Only congress could have changed Obamacare. Even which the hate you have for Trump, which is controlling your comments, you should know the constitutional powers the branches of government have and do not have.  This is one of the problems with trying to debate politics with someone who does not understand the constitutional powers. They do not understand why things do and do not happen.

No one said Trump can solve all the problems, (you really need to learn how to understand what is being written) we are saying he is the best man for the job. Trump can not just magically wipe out the deep state, but by exposing it the process can start. Here is another example, is you believe the president is responsible for all spending, it will need to be exposed how ignorant that comment is so that you can then start learning how the constitution is set up.

Not only do you not understand the constitution, you really do not know what the deep state is.

It took a while but you finally showed something!!!!!!!!!!

And then slipped back down.

Try again.



Is that why democrats and rinos are backing DeSantis? If he is " principled in conservative values" as you believe, why are so many to the left backing him? This is a question you should be asking yourself, why do the rinos not see how conservative he is? If he is the one to stop this slide the country is in u8nder Biden, why is he counting on their support to help him? So far you can not point to how he has made Florida any better and how he can transfer that to the national and world stage. You are dealing only in emotions in your support. And I have to ask, why do you not remember past posts. This is another one of your posts where you are asking questions that have already been answered, MANY TIMES. Once more, before the pandemic hit, and governors like DeSantis unconstitutionally locked down this country which allowed the election to be stolen, Trump had America roaring again. I will vote for him because he is the man to get it back.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

It's as if he only just recently got into politics, and thinks he knows how it all works, yet can't grasp simple concepts like, just how big the NWO has become in the last 4 decades alone.
Hell, they even got their boy Obozo appointed to the WH.

Want to bet he blames the lectorate, all the while overlooking electronic voting. The very thing McCon pushed through Congress.
Gee, it's as if there's a weird connection to the Dim party? This guy hasn't a fuckin clue how the real world works!

Quote from: Possum on May 08, 2023, 04:44:54 AMAgain, read your constitution.

Looks like a case of willful blindness.


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Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 05:12:40 AMBy the same people backing your piker kid. Ohhhh, The irony! Do you hear yourself? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  ....

Finally, an acknowledgement that Trump got rolled by those he was supposed to roll. Now that's what I call "irony".

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 05:38:31 AMFinally, an acknowledgement that Trump got rolled by those he was supposed to roll. Now that's what I call "irony".

That's all you've got after being exposed as the Political/Constitutional novice you are?
Why are you even here if you aren't willing to learn?

Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 05:45:36 AMThat's all you've got after being exposed as the Political/Constitutional novice you are?
Why are you even here if you aren't willing to learn?

He's a liberal plant to try to sway voters from Trump. He has only generic emotions as a argument for DeSantis, I believe, I hope, I think. The only items he has pointed to what he really likes about DeSantis are items that only a liberal would love. He loves that ONE person could change the tax rate for a business based on what they thought. He still stands up for the unconstitutional lock downs implemented by DeSantis. He points out Trump should have negotiated more with the liberals in congress. And he DESPISES Trump. Typical liberal.

But, look at all the opportunities he gives to shoot down the liberal agenda he brings. :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:   

Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 05:45:36 AMThat's all you've got after being exposed as the Political/Constitutional novice you are?
Why are you even here if you aren't willing to learn?

I'm here to point out the inconsistencies of what you claim to be, truth. Those inconsistencies are why you can't get through, and why I'd support DeSantis in the primary.

Quote from: Possum on May 08, 2023, 04:39:46 AMYou have made a lot of just plain stupid comments, congratulations, this one tops all of them. It would have taken sixty votes in the senate, they were not there. Period! You really need to learn the constitution.

You need to know it's more important to accept reality, than to know the Constitution.
Tell me again how Trump got ALL republicans on board to vote against Obamacare? BTW, passage of this bill only took 51 votes.

To believe a man cannot succeed taking on the NWO when he's already failed to take on the infidels from 'within' his own country is not ideological thinking, but rather rational thinking. A man cannot not run until he learns to walk.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:41:45 AM
You need to know it's more important to accept reality, than to know the Constitution.
Tell me again how Trump got ALL republicans on board to vote against Obamacare? BTW, passage of this bill only took 51 votes.

And THIS proves everything I said about is you correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You sir are a damn liberal.



Oh, by the way, here is one example why you need to know the constitution,

QuoteBut even if Republicans control Congress and the White House, Senate Democrats could filibuster any legislation that aims to repeal Obamacare.
Sixty senators must vote to close a filibuster—a Senate parliamentary tool designed to protect the rights of senators to slow or stall legislation and other matters. While, historically, filibusters took the form of long speeches on the Senate floor, these days it's a less heroic procedural maneuve

https://www.newsweek.com/how-hard-repeal-obamacare-433590
  As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Possum on May 08, 2023, 07:00:59 AMAnd THIS proves everything I said about is you correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You sir are a damn liberal.



Oh, by the way, here is one example why you need to know the constitution,


https://www.newsweek.com/how-hard-repeal-obamacare-433590
  As they say, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Whatever. By your standards on 'proof', soon you'll have me labeled as a card carrying commie. :bigl
If it's the same article I'm thinking of, and you read it through,  you'd know your 60 vote requirement only pertained to one approach. There were numerous ways in which to attack Obamacare without having to reach that threshold.

The Facts are that the R Senate strategy was to get 51 votes and have their bill passed. But, guess who prevented that from happening?

Remember, reality first, even before out "Constitution".

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:18:15 AMI'm here to point out the inconsistencies of what you claim to be, truth. Those inconsistencies are why you can't get through, and why I'd support DeSantis in the primary.

No, you have nothing, that's why you completely skipped reply #210. Truth is, your position is beyond weak, and you are incapable of real debate.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:41:45 AMYou need to know it's more important to accept reality, than to know the Constitution.

There you have it, the admittance of lib and their knowledge of our Constitution...

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:55:32 AMTo believe a man cannot succeed taking on the NWO when he's already failed to take on the infidels from 'within' his own country is not ideological thinking, but rather rational thinking. A man cannot not run until he learns to walk.

Yet you haven't given one example why Ron, with his backing of the Establishment, is going to make a difference in anything.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 07:29:40 AMWhatever.

I read no further because you completely rejected out of hand, solid reasoning.
Yes, you are a lib!

Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 09:17:58 AMNo, you have nothing, that's why you completely skipped reply #210. Truth is, your position is beyond weak, and you are incapable of real debate.

Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 09:23:51 AMI read no further because you completely rejected out of hand, solid reasoning.
Yes, you are a lib!

" No, you have nothing, that's why you completely skipped reply #210."?????. "Do as I say"??? Well, I guess that makes us both libs."  :bigl  :bigl 

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 12:02:06 PM" No, you have nothing, that's why you completely skipped reply #210."?????. "Do as I say"??? Well, I guess that makes us both libs."  :bigl  :bigl 

WTF does that even mean?
OK, bow out if you must. But I know you now realize Ron hasn't got a chance of pissing in a tornada and staying dry.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 07:29:40 AMWhatever. By your standards on 'proof', soon you'll have me labeled as a card carrying commie. :bigl
If it's the same article I'm thinking of, and you read it through,  you'd know your 60 vote requirement only pertained to one approach. There were numerous ways in which to attack Obamacare without having to reach that threshold.

The Facts are that the R Senate strategy was to get 51 votes and have their bill passed. But, guess who prevented that from happening?

Remember, reality first, even before out "Constitution".

You just do not learn do you. So if Biden rules with "reality" he can trash the constitution. WOW. How do you put that into writing? I guarantee you that my definition of what is reality is far different from Obama's, Biden's and yours.   And you say you are a conservative? I grew up KNOWING nothing trumps the constitution. Nothing. It is why we are different from any other country. You are really hopeless.

Oh, and by the way, the ONLY way to get rid of Obamacare with 51 votes is if the minority does not filibuster. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, and that's reality. You really need to learn the constitution, but now at least we all understand why you don't.

Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 12:59:12 PMWTF does that even mean?
OK, bow out if you must. But I know you now realize Ron hasn't got a chance of pissing in a tornada and staying dry.

Bow out my ass, that sob is running for the hills.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Possum on May 08, 2023, 01:40:04 PMBow out my ass, that sob is running for the hills.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Yeah, it was pretty obvious he has no argument, let alone know what he's gotten himself into.

Quote from: Possum on May 08, 2023, 01:38:33 PMYou just do not learn do you. So if Biden rules with "reality" he can trash the constitution. WOW. How do you put that into writing? I guarantee you that my definition of what is reality is far different from Obama's, Biden's and yours.  And you say you are a conservative? I grew up KNOWING nothing trumps the constitution. Nothing. It is why we are different from any other country. You are really hopeless.

Oh, and by the way, the ONLY way to get rid of Obamacare with 51 votes is if the minority does not filibuster. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, and that's reality. You really need to learn the constitution, but now at least we all understand why you don't.

Glad to see that at least you now understand the vote that was taken re Obamacare by the Senate did not require 60 votes. BTW, you made no mention of who played Trump, but I'm sure you won't forget which 3 Senators they were.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 12:02:06 PM" No, you have nothing, that's why you completely skipped reply #210."?????. "Do as I say"??? Well, I guess that makes us both libs."  :bigl  :bigl 

Your #210 response was just the same ole same ole - ranting on about evil Ron and his backers... and on and on. Repeat and rinse.  What's there to respond to? Been there done that, repeatedly.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:57:53 PMYour #210 post was just the same ole same ole - ranting on about evil Ron and his backers... and on and on. Repeat and rinse.  What's there to respond to? Been there done that, repeatedly.

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:57:53 PMYour #210 response was just the same ole same ole - ranting on about evil Ron and his backers... and on and on. Repeat and rinse.  What's there to respond to? Been there done that, repeatedly.

Now you're turning into a troll by claiming I sad DeSantis was evil, I never said any such shit!

Quote from: Solar on May 08, 2023, 07:42:17 PMNow you're turning into a troll by claiming I sad DeSantis was evil, I never said any such shit!

Do you see " " marks around the word,"evil Ron" in my post? If not, I accept your apology for implying I'm "turning into a troll." Primer: Hyperbole applied - to use  exaggerated words/terms to bring home a point. Your repeated paranoiac-like rants on DeSantis and those associated with him, causes pause;  like you really believe they're an evil cabal. 

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:32:37 PMGlad to see that at least you now understand the vote that was taken re Obamacare by the Senate did not require 60 votes. BTW, you made no mention of who played Trump, but I'm sure you won't forget which 3 Senators they were.

The ONLY way Obamacare could be canceled with a simple majority is if the DEMOCRATS would NOT FILIBUSTER. McConnell wanted to take a vote, democrats knew the votes were not there so they did not filibuster. It would be easier to discuss with you if you knew the rules of the senate.  If the democrats thought the votes were there, they would have filibustered and it would have taken 61.

Quote from: WMK on May 09, 2023, 12:31:05 AMDo you see " " marks around the word,"evil Ron" in my post? If not, I accept your apology for implying I'm "turning into a troll." Primer: Hyperbole applied - to use  exaggerated words/terms to bring home a point. Your repeated paranoiac-like rants on DeSantis and those associated with him, causes pause;  like you really believe they're an evil cabal.

Why are you wasting my time?
Your bull shit is getting old. You refuse to actually debate, and now you've resorted to this kind of crap?

Here's your post, there are no "marks anywhere"!

Quote from: WMK on May 08, 2023, 06:57:53 PMYour #210 response was just the same ole same ole - ranting on about evil Ron and his backers... and on and on. Repeat and rinse.  What's there to respond to? Been there done that, repeatedly.

Quote from: Possum on May 09, 2023, 03:56:33 AMThe ONLY way Obamacare could be canceled with a simple majority is if the DEMOCRATS would NOT FILIBUSTER. McConnell wanted to take a vote, democrats knew the votes were not there so they did not filibuster. It would be easier to discuss with you if you knew the rules of the senate.  If the democrats thought the votes were there, they would have filibustered and it would have taken 61.

We've been over this, and I thanked you for acknowledging the 51 vote strategy.

Quote from: WMK on May 09, 2023, 06:25:44 AMWe've been over this, and I thanked you for acknowledging the 51 vote strategy.

You are in over your head.

Quote from: Possum on May 09, 2023, 11:52:28 AMYou are in over your head.

Now you're shadow boxing. Get some rest.

Quote from: WMK on May 09, 2023, 02:05:24 PMNow you're shadow boxing. Get some rest.

Amazing how ron was a corona hero and trump gave us fauci

Quote from: ldub23 on May 09, 2023, 03:04:47 PMAmazing how ron was a corona hero and trump gave us fauci

The problem with Trump was that he allowed Fauci to be served up day after day after day, until the country got a hangover it still hasn't recovered from.

Quote from: ldub23 on May 09, 2023, 03:04:47 PMAmazing how ron was a corona hero and trump gave us fauci

More of your display of stupidity.
Trump has nothing to do with private industry, the very people who hired Fauci. Trump couldn't even fire him you fuckin Twit!

So now it's becoming clear that Trump will be running to the left of DeSantis. This will become more evident moving forward.

Quote from: WMK on May 09, 2023, 03:40:24 PMThe problem with Trump was that he allowed Fauci to be served up day after day after day, until the country got a hangover it still hasn't recovered from.

What gave Fauci power was the fact that congress and the media had him front and center every night. Add to that the fact there were governors LIKE DESANTIS who FOLLOWED EVERY WORD OF HIS ADVICE!. Shut down the country, hell, no problem, lets start with Florida. TRUMP COULD NOT FIRE FAUCI, learn that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 05:30:25 AMSo now it's becoming clear that Trump will be running to the left of DeSantis. This will become more evident moving forward.

You have got to be the slowest learner I have ever seen on this forum. We have never claimed he was a conservative, but he put America first, he put America ahead of himself, something I do not think DeSantis can do. By the way, what was conservative about the way he handled Disney?

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 05:30:25 AMSo now it's becoming clear that Trump will be running to the left of DeSantis. This will become more evident moving forward.

Do you just dream this shit up and post it?

Quote from: Solar on May 26, 2023, 06:17:07 AMDo you just dream this shit up and post it?

Since when is telling a business how to think, conservative?

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 11:14:10 AMSince when is telling a business how to think, conservative?

BINGO!
But he didn't know that. All he knows is his NWO, Uniparty 'Kid King' is going to save the world.
All the while ignoring who is actually pushing the kid.

Quote from: Solar on May 26, 2023, 11:17:17 AMBINGO!
But he didn't know that. All he knows is his NWO, Uniparty 'Kid King' is going to save the world.
All the while ignoring who is actually pushing the kid.

I've yet to hear WHY someone is for DeSantis other than emotions. It is the old "I believe he will" "I have faith in him", "He will show wisdom",  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: ( sorry, that one cracked me up). But looking at his record, there ain't much there, there. We even have one poster, :rolleyes: , who is bragging that DeSantis shutting down his state is good because it shows he can, what, change his mind???? Damn it HE SHUT DOWN HIS STATE!!!!! HE FOLLOWED FAUCI ALL THE WAY ON WHAT TO DO!!!!! This is how he is going to govern?

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest, I feel better now.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 11:35:38 AMI've yet to hear WHY someone is for DeSantis other than emotions. It is the old "I believe he will" "I have faith in him", "He will show wisdom",  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: ( sorry, that one cracked me up). But looking at his record, there ain't much there, there. We even have one poster, :rolleyes: , who is bragging that DeSantis shutting down his state is good because it shows he can, what, change his mind???? Damn it HE SHUT DOWN HIS STATE!!!!! HE FOLLOWED FAUCI ALL THE WAY ON WHAT TO DO!!!!! This is how he is going to govern?

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest, I feel better now.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:

Also thinks it's OK to pass a law outlawing people from seeing his travel history and who paid for it.
That's the literal definition of fascism!

Quote from: Solar on May 26, 2023, 11:38:26 AMAlso thinks it's OK to pass a law outlawing people from seeing his travel history and who paid for it.
That's the literal definition of fascism!

There seems to be a big difference in what DeSantis is trying to get passed and what the congress of Florida is passing. Right off the bat one can tell Florida's congress is conservative and DeSantis is benefitting from what they pass. Trump will tear him up on what DeSantis is trying to pass.


Did someone claim DeSantis was conservative????? :lol:

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 11:44:23 AMThere seems to be a big difference in what DeSantis is trying to get passed and what the congress of Florida is passing. Right off the bat one can tell Florida's congress is conservative and DeSantis is benefitting from what they pass. Trump will tear him up on what DeSantis is trying to pass.


Did someone claim DeSantis was conservative????? :lol:

Remember Scott Walker, the RINO. supposed savior?

Ron is a literal clone! Walker was a nobody, but the Establishment got him elected, knowing full well the legislature would force him to sign their Bills.

if Ron had weaseled his way into the Ca Legislature, we'd never have even heard of the guy!
He's a Fuckin Kid!

Quote from: Solar on May 26, 2023, 06:17:07 AMDo you just dream this shit up and post it?

Do some homework! Get outside your bubble and watch some interviews/commentaries. I'm also starting to get the sense that libs/leftists want to run against Trump, rather than DeSantis. Most all their criticism is focused on DeSantis. And this includes RINOs too.

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 05:47:28 AMYou have got to be the slowest learner I have ever seen on this forum. We have never claimed he was a conservative, but he put America first, he put America ahead of himself, something I do not think DeSantis can do. By the way, what was conservative about the way he handled Disney?

How would you ever understand, not being a conservative yourself?

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 11:14:10 AMSince when is telling a business how to think, conservative?

Show me where DeSantis said he was "telling a business how to think".
If you can't, then stop trying to build a false narrative from your own opinion and try to pass it off as fact.  You're a one trick pony.

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 05:44:28 AMWhat gave Fauci power was the fact that congress and the media had him front and center every night. Add to that the fact there were governors LIKE DESANTIS who FOLLOWED EVERY WORD OF HIS ADVICE!. Shut down the country, hell, no problem, let's start with Florida. TRUMP COULD NOT FIRE FAUCI, learn that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QuoteFirst you put Fauci on a pedestal of power, then you try to single out and condemn DeSantis for following his 'every word'?  Don't waste my time.

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 12:49:16 PMHow would you ever understand, not being a conservative yourself?

What have I ever posted that would lead you to believe that? I call you out for being a damn liar. 

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 01:05:34 PMShow me where DeSantis said he was "telling a business how to think".
If you can't, then stop trying to build a false narrative from your own opinion and try to pass it off as fact.  You're a one trick pony.

Real easy, and I have asked YOU for YOUR opinion several times on this which you ignore. There is no difference in DeSantis penalizing Disney by changing their tax rate for their beliefs in being woke, pushing wokism, and Obama when he used the I.R.S. to go after conservative non- profits. Did you get it this time?????????  Either the constitution protects all of us or it protects nobody.

Oh, by the way, I'm a many trick pony, just because you get stumped and can not answer is not on me.

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 01:27:31 PM

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 05:44:28 AMWhat gave Fauci power was the fact that congress and the media had him front and center every night. Add to that the fact there were governors LIKE DESANTIS who FOLLOWED EVERY WORD OF HIS ADVICE!. Shut down the country, hell, no problem, let's start with Florida. TRUMP COULD NOT FIRE FAUCI, learn that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QuoteFirst you put Fauci on a pedestal of power, then you try to single out and condemn DeSantis for following his 'every word'?  Don't waste my time.

Just when I think you have finally learned how to use the quote function, BAM, reality hits me.
Show me where I have EVER put Fauci on a pedestal. WMK, you need to stop the lying, as in right now.

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 02:10:25 PMReal easy, and I have asked YOU for YOUR opinion several times on this which you ignore. There is no difference in DeSantis penalizing Disney by changing their tax rate for their beliefs in being woke, pushing wokism, and Obama when he used the I.R.S. to go after conservative non- profits. Did you get it this time?????????  Either the constitution protects all of us or it protects nobody.

Oh, by the way, I'm a many trick pony, just because you get stumped and can not answer is not on me.
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They day you understand anything about the difference between passing laws and weaponing govt. beauracrats  will be the very first.  Who programmed you?

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 06:34:27 PM

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 02:10:25 PMReal easy, and I have asked YOU for YOUR opinion several times on this which you ignore. There is no difference in DeSantis penalizing Disney by changing their tax rate for their beliefs in being woke, pushing wokism, and Obama when he used the I.R.S. to go after conservative non- profits. Did you get it this time?????????  Either the constitution protects all of us or it protects nobody.

Oh, by the way, I'm a many trick pony, just because you get stumped and can not answer is not on me.
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They day you understand anything about the difference between passing laws and weaponing govt. beauracrats  will be the very first.  Who programmed you?

Learn to use the quote function!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 06:34:27 PM

Quote from: Possum on May 26, 2023, 02:10:25 PMReal easy, and I have asked YOU for YOUR opinion several times on this which you ignore. There is no difference in DeSantis penalizing Disney by changing their tax rate for their beliefs in being woke, pushing wokism, and Obama when he used the I.R.S. to go after conservative non- profits. Did you get it this time?????????  Either the constitution protects all of us or it protects nobody.

Oh, by the way, I'm a many trick pony, just because you get stumped and can not answer is not on me.
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They day you understand anything about the difference between passing laws and weaponing govt. beauracrats  will be the very first.  Who programmed you?

And you still have not answered the question.

Quote from: WMK on May 26, 2023, 01:05:34 PMShow me where DeSantis said he was "telling a business how to think".
If you can't, then stop trying to build a false narrative from your own opinion and try to pass it off as fact.  You're a one trick pony.

Seriously?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-donald-trump-anthony-fauci-b2305870.html
As POTUS he has no business interfering in private industry.
No one likes the little elf, but there are channels one can take to separate an NGO from Govt, but firing them isn't one of his options!
And you wonder why Patriots want no part of the kid?

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 05:46:13 AMSeriously?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-donald-trump-anthony-fauci-b2305870.html
As POTUS he has no business interfering in private industry.
No one likes the little elf, but there are channels one can take to separate an NGO from Govt, but firing them isn't one of his options!
And you wonder why Patriots want no part of the kid?

If you were trying to make a point there, it was a unremarkable one.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:57:39 AMIf you were trying to make a point there, it was a unremarkable one.

Of course it went over your head, it exposed that DeSantis knows absolutely nothing about the separation of private industry and govt!

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 07:00:36 AMOf course it went over your head, it exposed that DeSantis knows absolutely nothing about the separation of private industry and govt!

Tell you what I sincerely believe, that DeSantis forgot more abou Constitutional knowledge than Trump and you have combined. 

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 07:24:15 AMTell you what I sincerely believe, that DeSantis forgot more abou Constitutional knowledge than Trump and you have combined. 

His statements proves he's just a kid and is doing as he is told, just like he has been doing since the first day the Uniparty contacted him!

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 07:26:33 AMHis statements proves he's just a kid and is doing as he is told, just like he has been doing since the first day the Uniparty contacted him!

You hear with your own ears, and see with your own eyes, Solar. DeSantis records/statements are forcing Trump to run to the left of him.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 07:40:39 AMYou hear with your own ears, and see with your own eyes, Solar. DeSantis records/statements are forcing Trump to run to the left of him.

Were you told to believe that? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:57:39 AMIf you were trying to make a point there, it was a unremarkable one.

Do you want your government to base taxes on what you believe?

This is why we do not believe in giving DeSantis the power the regulate how a business thinks.

Biden Admin Demands Big Tech Companies Enforce 'Zero-Tolerance' Policy on 'Hate Speech'

Government needs to stay out of this and learn the constitution, THIS GOES FOR DESANTIS!!!!

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 07:24:15 AMTell you what I sincerely believe, that DeSantis forgot more abou Constitutional knowledge than Trump and you have combined. 

Close, it seems he has forgotten ALL of what he knew about the constitution.

Quote from: Possum on May 27, 2023, 09:35:51 AMClose, it seems he has forgotten ALL of what he knew about the constitution.

So says the Constitutional scholar. :bigl  :bigl  Tell me again about the Obama/DeSantis story. :bigl

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 07:42:07 AMWere you told to believe that? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You betcha. It's called a conscience. But then again, you'd have to be a social conservative to grasp that concept.

Quote from: Possum on May 27, 2023, 09:24:37 AMDo you want your government to base taxes on what you believe?

Start another thread on that, you've been veering off topic for some time now.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:57:39 AMIf you were trying to make a point there, it was a unremarkable one.

Why did this go over your head?


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-donald-trump-anthony-fauci-b2305870.html

As POTUS he has no business interfering in private industry.
No one likes the little elf, but there are channels one can take to separate an NGO from Govt, but firing them isn't one of his options!
And you wonder why Patriots want no part of the kid?

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 10:30:35 AMWhy did this go over your head?


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-donald-trump-anthony-fauci-b2305870.html

As POTUS he has no business interfering in private industry.
No one likes the little elf, but there are channels one can take to separate an NGO from Govt, but firing them isn't one of his options!
And you wonder why Patriots want no part of the kid?

Love that video. It clearly tells the story of Trump, and how he cowered to Fauci throughout the pandemic. And the same could be said for "Operation Warp Speed" giving big pharma a get-out-of-jail-free card.  Maybe he thought he shouldn't be 'interfering" in private business then by making certain demands that might protect the American people?
Your posts indicate no discernment whatsoever between the power to tax, interfering with "private industry",Oligarchs or corporatism.   

Never thought you'd be cow towing to leftist ideologues just to try to score points for your guy, and because you hate DeSantis so much. 

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 10:15:17 AMSo says the Constitutional scholar. :bigl  :bigl  Tell me again about the Obama/DeSantis story. :bigl

How about you tell me how he has followed the constitution. Was it the lockdowns? Punishing Disney? The mandates? I get it, you think posting like a damn kid wins you respect?? Wrong. Post like a damn kid and people will think you are a damn kid. Show me where ONCE I was wrong about what I have said about the constitution. Come on genius, lets see what you have.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 11:05:39 AMLove that video. It clearly tells the story of Trump, and how he cowered to Fauci throughout the pandemic. And the same could be said for "Operation Warp Speed" giving big pharma a get-out-of-jail-free card.  Maybe he thought he shouldn't be 'interfering" in private business then by making certain demands that might protect the American people?
Your posts indicate no discernment whatsoever between the power to tax, interfering with "private industry",Oligarchs or corporatism. 

Never thought you'd be cow towing to leftist ideologues just to try to score points for your guy, and because you hate DeSantis so much. 

You and everyone else knows you're full of shit!
DeSantis locked down Fl, he forced kids to wear masks at school, Trump did none of that shit.
You live in a world full of delusion!

Quote from: Possum on May 27, 2023, 11:15:47 AMHow about you tell me how he has followed the constitution. Was it the lockdowns? Punishing Disney? The mandates? I get it, you think posting like a damn kid wins you respect?? Wrong. Post like a damn kid and people will think you are a damn kid. Show me where ONCE I was wrong about what I have said about the constitution. Come on genius, lets see what you have.

Now he's claiming he's a "Social Conservative", that translates into fascist, just like DeSantis!

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 11:05:39 AMLove that video. It clearly tells the story of Trump, and how he cowered to Fauci throughout the pandemic. And the same could be said for "Operation Warp Speed" giving big pharma a get-out-of-jail-free card.  Maybe he thought he shouldn't be 'interfering" in private business then by making certain demands that might protect the American people?
Your posts indicate no discernment whatsoever between the power to tax, interfering with "private industry",Oligarchs or corporatism. 

Never thought you'd be cow towing to leftist ideologues just to try to score points for your guy, and because you hate DeSantis so much. 

Grab your ears and pull your head out of your butt. DeSantis changed the rate Disney paid in property taxes because of their thoughts. Period. Same damn thing Obama did. I have asked how you can justify what he did and get NO answer. Is wise ass comments all you have left? 

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 11:18:10 AMYou and everyone else knows you're full of shit!
DeSantis locked down Fl, he forced kids to wear masks at school, Trump did none of that shit.
You live in a world full of delusion!

The kid only has the pandemic with which to complain about Trump, and he is the one calling "one trick pony"? Like you said, Trump closed nothing down. Trump pushed for alternate medicines that worked. After eight years of Obama, Trump pulled off one of the greatest come backs for the economy ever seem. After eight years of Obama, Trump had us energy independent. After eight years of Obama, Trump had a SCOTUS that deserved respect and understood the constitution. This dumbass can not even say if the election was stolen.

Quote from: Possum on May 27, 2023, 11:30:13 AMThe kid only has the pandemic with which to complain about Trump, and he is the one calling "one trick pony"? Like you said, Trump closed nothing down. Trump pushed for alternate medicines that worked. After eight years of Obama, Trump pulled off one of the greatest come backs for the economy ever seem. After eight years of Obama, Trump had us energy independent. After eight years of Obama, Trump had a SCOTUS that deserved respect and understood the constitution. This dumbass can not even say if the election was stolen.

He knows the truth, but like he said, he's a "Social Conservative".
Everyone of those I've known never gave a shit about the Constitution, they wanted a democracy, where they could use the majority to force the change they want.

They don't care about anyone but themselves and they'll trash the Constitution to get what they want.

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 11:18:10 AMYou and everyone else knows you're full of shit!
DeSantis locked down Fl, he forced kids to wear masks at school, Trump did none of that shit.
You live in a world full of delusion!

Now you're sounding like the "one-trick-pony" who bases his entire COVID argument on DeSantis locking down & Masking - a strong recommendation by the WH task force of Fauci/Birx, who ran roughshod over Trump/Pence. And they did so throughout 2020, thanks to POTUS. Listen to that DeSantis tap you posted, it all right there. Hell, when DeSantis started defying Fauci/Birx in Sept.2020, Trump/Pence were still paying homage to Fauci/Birx. 

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 11:41:55 AMNow you're sounding like the "one-trick-pony" who bases his entire COVID argument on DeSantis locking down & Masking - a strong recommendation by the WH task force of Fauci/Birx, who ran roughshod over Trump/Pence. And they did so throughout 2020, thanks to POTUS. Listen to that DeSantis tap you posted, it all right there. Hell, when DeSantis started defying Fauci/Birx in Sept.2020, Trump/Pence were still paying homage to Fauci/Birx. 

"One trick pony"?
I'm not the one ignoring his Fascist Bill to hide who his donors are, you are!

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 11:43:59 AM"One trick pony"?
I'm not the one ignoring his Fascist Bill to hide who his donors are, you are!

So you say.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 11:51:43 AMSo you say.

Why do you keep dodging Ron's bill?

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 11:59:34 AMWhy do you keep dodging Ron's bill?

You already have it labeled as a "Fascist Bill,"- fitted to your narrative, not mine.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 12:30:52 PMYou already have it labeled as a "Fascist Bill,"- fitted to your narrative, not mine.

Why do you not think it is a fascist bill? What do you like about it?

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 12:30:52 PMYou already have it labeled as a "Fascist Bill,"- fitted to your narrative, not mine.

What Possum asked. Why do you like it?

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 10:23:47 AMYou betcha. It's called a conscience. But then again, you'd have to be a social conservative to grasp that concept.

Yeah, better known as RINO!

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 04:27:26 PMWhat Possum asked. Why do you like it?

Possum routinely asks silly questions. He's a one-trick-pony so that's all he has to offer. Sometimes, I play along.

As for the bill in question. I never said I liked it. But keeping donors a secret is  not an automatic conspiracy. As for political opponents calling it "fascist" or "RINO" or whatever, is for pure effect. Hyperbole. What new there? Same ole same ole.
Do you think Trump was ever one of those "donors" while doing 'business'at some point in his life? Yet, he your savior. Just say'n

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2023, 04:43:09 PMYeah, better known as RINO!

Those "RINOs" are who put Trump in office the first go around.

Who tells you to say this stuff?

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:41:38 PMThose "RINOs" are who put Trump in office the first go around.

Who tells you to say this stuff?

Are you fuckin high? The GOP did all they could to stop Trump without looking obvious!
Seriously, who told you that shit?

Just more proof, you aren't what you claim to be.

Trump praising cuomo.not good

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:38:09 PMPossum routinely asks silly questions. He's a one-trick-pony so that's all he has to offer. Sometimes, I play along.

As for the bill in question. I never said I liked it. But keeping donors a secret is  not an automatic conspiracy. As for political opponents calling it "fascist" or "RINO" or whatever, is for pure effect. Hyperbole. What new there? Same ole same ole.
Do you think Trump was ever one of those "donors" while doing 'business'at some point in his life? Yet, he your savior. Just say'n

Real simple, if you are getting tired of the questions, answer them. The questions will not stop, they are  exposing you for the fraud you are. NOBODY is going to just let you spew your bull shit without confronting it. Get used to it or go elsewhere.

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:41:38 PMThose "RINOs" are who put Trump in office the first go around.

Who tells you to say this stuff?

Name them.

Quote from: ldub23 on May 27, 2023, 09:50:56 PMTrump praising cuomo.not good

Go back to your village, they're looking for you.

Quote from: ldub23 on May 27, 2023, 09:50:56 PMTrump praising cuomo.not good

If I were to say, you're almost as smart as a water melon, do you think I praising you?

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:38:09 PMPossum routinely asks silly questions. He's a one-trick-pony so that's all he has to offer. Sometimes, I play along.

As for the bill in question. I never said I liked it. But keeping donors a secret is  not an automatic conspiracy. As for political opponents calling it "fascist" or "RINO" or whatever, is for pure effect. Hyperbole. What new there? Same ole same ole.
Do you think Trump was ever one of those "donors" while doing 'business'at some point in his life? Yet, he your savior. Just say'n

So hiding possible money laundering/payoff finances is "Hyperbole"? So you think it would be OK if he was taking money directly from the CCP via Zelenskyy, you'd be OK with that?

What in the hell is wrong with you? We create these laws specifically so as to monitor criminal behavior, why we pushed campaign finance laws, so we could keep politicians from screwing over the taxpayer!

What does DeSantis coverup have to do with Trump? He's not the one in the spotlight, and has a proven track record of staying within the law.
In fact, while he was in office, he never changed the law to benefit him, but your Child RINO Boy did!

But you're OK with that, because you hate Trump that much. Man, you libs are something else when it comes to covering for the Uniparty choice. Simply toss law aside, values and morality aren't necessary when it comes to fraud and a bunch of Marxists pushing their Child King!

Quote from: WMK on May 27, 2023, 06:38:09 PMPossum routinely asks silly questions. He's a one-trick-pony so that's all he has to offer. Sometimes, I play along.

As for the bill in question. I never said I liked it. But keeping donors a secret is  not an automatic conspiracy. As for political opponents calling it "fascist" or "RINO" or whatever, is for pure effect. Hyperbole. What new there? Same ole same ole.
Do you think Trump was ever one of those "donors" while doing 'business'at some point in his life? Yet, he your savior. Just say'n

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Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2023, 07:20:03 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxOCoIcXsAEWbBq?format=jpg&name=medium)

What a revelation!! Big donors expect to get something for their 'investment.'from DeSantis. And so do little investors too. They call that want a better economic environment. Duh.   

I'm sure all those big money donors were thrilled that DeSantis spearheaded a tax increase against Disney. And China had to be ecstatic about thei being restricted to where they can buy land in Fla. And let's not forget our neighbor, President, Andrés Manuel López Obrador who' already warning Hispanics not to vote for "the kid."  What? No cheap labor for corporatists?
Solar, who tells you to post this stuff?  It hurtin your cause, not helping it.

Stop it with the histrionics already, Solar. I don't hate Trump at all. But I'm mad as hell that he threw away all the great gains he did create. And I've said this repeatedly here. The only 'defense' for Trump I hear from you and others here is 'the deep state' is to blame and all that. For me, even though I know all that's true, his record/actions revealed something. It strongly suggested Trump just doesn't have the knowledge or courage to fight the kind of battle he was up against.
What America  sorely needs is a POTUS who knows and studies the Constitution -    Executive powers, has the courage to make quick but necessary changes in critical moments i.e. pandemic policies, and the savvy on how to take out or circumvent political obstacles hindering his agenda.
Solar, you're to the point where you're calling everybody every name under the sun - throwing the baby out with the bath water - unless they're MAGA. That's not debate. That's dictate.

Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 09:14:47 AMWhat a revelation!! Big donors expect to get something for their 'investment.'from DeSantis. And so do little investors too. They call that want a better economic environment. Duh. 

I'm sure all those big money donors were thrilled that DeSantis spearheaded a tax increase against Disney. And China had to be ecstatic about thei being restricted to where they can buy land in Fla. And let's not forget our neighbor, President, Andrés Manuel López Obrador who' already warning Hispanics not to vote for "the kid."  What? No cheap labor for corporatists?
Solar, who tells you to post this stuff?  It hurtin your cause, not helping it.

You are real slow getting what is going on. Your buddy wants to HIDE those donations, keep them secret. See the difference?

Two, DeSantis did not spearhead a tax increase, he used the tax rate as a weapon. See the difference?

Florida is not the only state to restrict China from buying up land, you act like he is the only one. See the difference?

Do YOU understand your lying about the truth is what is hurting YOUR cause????

Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 10:04:49 AMStop it with the histrionics already, Solar. I don't hate Trump at all. But I'm mad as hell that he threw away all the great gains he did create. And I've said this repeatedly here. The only 'defense' for Trump I hear from you and others here is 'the deep state' is to blame and all that. For me, even though I know all that's true, his record/actions revealed something. It strongly suggested Trump just doesn't have the knowledge or courage to fight the kind of battle he was up against.
What America  sorely needs is a POTUS who knows and studies the Constitution -    Executive powers, has the courage to make quick but necessary changes in critical moments i.e. pandemic policies, and the savvy on how to take out or circumvent political obstacles hindering his agenda.
Solar, you're to the point where you're calling everybody every name under the sun - throwing the baby out with the bath water - unless they're MAGA. That's not debate. That's dictate.

What did Trump lockdown? What did DeSantis lockdown? See the difference?

Quote from: Possum on May 28, 2023, 01:55:46 PMWhat did Trump lockdown? What did DeSantis lockdown? See the difference?

Strategy at work,

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/05/28/critical-endorsements-lost-is-desantis-presidential-bid-in-jeopardy-n752052

Quote"After being less than impressed with Ron DeSantis's official announcement last night, I am hereby switching my endorsement to President Donald J. Trump," she said. "We can't expect someone to run the country if they can't properly run their own campaign launch."

"The stakes are simply too great in 2024 to take a chance on someone as unreliable as DeSantis — we need a proven winner like President Trump to take back the White House and Make America Great Again," the lawmaker continued.

On the national stage, to make the most important announcement in his political career, and how did that turn out for you.

Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 04:54:12 AMStrategy at work,

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/05/28/critical-endorsements-lost-is-desantis-presidential-bid-in-jeopardy-n752052


On the national stage, to make the most important announcement in his political career, and how did that turn out for you.

Don't you mean international stage?
Actually, better than I could have imagined. Or maybe you haven't heard - "DeSantis broke the internet."

Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 10:04:49 AMStop it with the histrionics already, Solar. I don't hate Trump at all. But I'm mad as hell that he threw away all the great gains he did create. And I've said this repeatedly here. The only 'defense' for Trump I hear from you and others here is 'the deep state' is to blame and all that. For me, even though I know all that's true, his record/actions revealed something. It strongly suggested Trump just doesn't have the knowledge or courage to fight the kind of battle he was up against.
What America  sorely needs is a POTUS who knows and studies the Constitution -    Executive powers, has the courage to make quick but necessary changes in critical moments i.e. pandemic policies, and the savvy on how to take out or circumvent political obstacles hindering his agenda.
Solar, you're to the point where you're calling everybody every name under the sun - throwing the baby out with the bath water - unless they're MAGA. That's not debate. That's dictate.

Wow, you really are a leftist "Tool", and dull one at that!.

What will Ron do about ESG, the actual evil behind all these companies going woke? Not one damn thing, if he was serious, he'd ignore Disney and focus on what is pushing them.

But noooo, he, the NWO need the theatrics/distraction, or to use your term, histrionics. Ron and his cabal of traitors are distracting you!
You know, like the left does via gun control, blame the guns, not the felon.

Ron is doing the exact same damn thing! If he isn't, then he has no place even Fuckin running for the highest office in the land.
If he does know, then he's part of the problem!

When in the hell are you going to start asking questions instead of blindly following?

Trump rips mcenany. Talk about loyalty. He embraces cuomo. Would he impose a ny type lockdown next time?

Quote from: ldub23 on May 31, 2023, 06:42:02 AMTrump rips mcenany. Talk about loyalty. He embraces cuomo. Would he impose a ny type lockdown next time?

He didn't rip her, he pointed out the fact she used the wrong numbers. So glad people like you are NOT Trump supporters.

Quote from: Possum on May 31, 2023, 06:46:21 AMHe didn't rip her, he pointed out the fact she used the wrong numbers. So glad people like you are NOT Trump supporters.

R u aware trump ripped ron and kemp 4 opening too soon while praisig cuomo?
He is nuts

Quote from: ldub23 on May 31, 2023, 06:50:57 AMR u aware trump ripped ron and kemp 4 opening too soon while praisig cuomo?
He is nuts

He was comparing Cuomo to DeSantis. I'm surprised you did not make that comparison yourself.

Quote from: ldub23 on May 31, 2023, 06:42:02 AMTrump rips mcenany. Talk about loyalty. He embraces cuomo. Would he impose a ny type lockdown next time?
So, you have a link to back this up?

Looks like Desantis' strategy is working.

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/05/31/new-poll-after-announcement-reveals-big-concerns-for-desantis-n754250

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BUT!!!!  DeSantis is beating "someone else",,,,,,,,,,,,,,but not by as much as Trump is beating him. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Best advice DeSantis needs is to run his campaign the EXACT way Biden did. Don't interview and stay in the basement.

It's worse than that. :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl (https://process.filestackapi.com/AG3wH2AR3SP2Mo58NZitaz/rotate=exif:true/resize=width:1200/https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/iGAbtdbqQrWWidMn2XpN)

https://surveyresearch-ecu.reportablenews.com/pr/justice-and-trump-with-commanding-early-leads-in-west-virginia

Quote from: ldub23 on May 31, 2023, 06:50:57 AMR u aware trump ripped ron and kemp 4 opening too soon while praisig cuomo?
He is nuts

How dare you raise the fact that Trump publicly scolded "Ron & Kemp" for 'opening' too soon. And don't even think about raising the fact that Trump told the press it was by his authority states should 'open up', not the Governors.

Quote from: ldub23 on May 31, 2023, 06:50:57 AMR u aware trump ripped ron and kemp 4 opening too soon while praisig cuomo?
He is nuts

You have to ask yourself why such outlandish and foolish comments when you're supposed to have such a commanding lead in the polls? The only rational conclusions you can come to is; Trump knows the polls are suspect. He's obsessed with the fear of DeSantis eventually prevailing. He's really dumb and resorts to visceral responses to fill a mental void.
It's all surreal.

Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2023, 02:54:29 PMIt's worse than that. :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl (https://process.filestackapi.com/AG3wH2AR3SP2Mo58NZitaz/rotate=exif:true/resize=width:1200/https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/iGAbtdbqQrWWidMn2XpN)

https://surveyresearch-ecu.reportablenews.com/pr/justice-and-trump-with-commanding-early-leads-in-west-virginia

What's funny about this poll? Even if Ron were to pick up all the undecides and all the other candidates, he still couldn't beat Trump.
Ron is now his own worst and biggest enemy.
Let that sink Troll boy! :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2023, 06:11:11 AMWhat's funny about this poll? Even if Ron were to pick up all the undecides and all the other candidates, he still couldn't beat Trump.
Ron is now his own worst and biggest enemy.
Let that sink Troll boy! :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

"We all know Polls are in essence useless,"  :coff  :coff

Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 10:23:23 AM"We all know Polls are in essence useless,"  :coff  :coff

Absolutely agree, but a spread like this, can't be taken for granted. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2023, 03:54:53 PMAbsolutely agree, but a spread like this, can't be taken for granted. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

DeSantis just picked up nine points in Iowa and Trump is freaking out over it. What's up with that guy?

Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 07:04:13 PMDeSantis just picked up nine points in Iowa and Trump is freaking out over it. What's up with that guy?

Link?

Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 07:04:13 PMDeSantis just picked up nine points in Iowa and Trump is freaking out over it. What's up with that guy?

Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2023, 08:25:06 PMLink?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12133809/amp/Poll-DeSantis-closes-gap-Trump-9-Iowa-post-presidential-announcement.html

. 

No

Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2023, 08:25:06 PMLink?

Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 09:03:13 PM. 

DeSantis just picked up nine points in Iowa and Trump is freaking out over it. What's up with that guy?

So you lied. Trump isn't freakin out, in fact you'll see a lot of closing the gap polls, that's to be expected, especially where the NWO is concerned.

But don't make shit up, it makes you Ronny supporters look like, well, Ronny supporters. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 05:13:08 AMSo you lied. Trump isn't freakin out, in fact you'll see a lot of closing the gap polls, that's to be expected, especially where the NWO is concerned.

But don't make shit up, it makes you Ronny supporters look like, well, Ronny supporters. :rolleyes:

I think the DeSantis craze has peaked before it got started.  :lol:

Quote from: Possum on June 02, 2023, 05:41:21 AMI think the DeSantis craze has peaked before it got started.  :lol:

Yeah that happens to virgins their first time. Premature E.... :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 05:13:08 AMSo you lied. Trump isn't freakin out, in fact you'll see a lot of closing the gap polls, that's to be expected, especially where the NWO is concerned.

But don't make shit up, it makes you Ronny supporters look like, well, Ronny supporters. :rolleyes:

Lol!  I predict Trump will get nomination, and DeSantis will be his choice for Veep.  All the other's
announcing their intent to run are just noise makers.  The least likely of them all is Pence.

Quote from: harry12 on June 02, 2023, 06:28:17 AMLol!  I predict Trump will get nomination, and DeSantis will be his choice for Veep.  All the other's
announcing their intent to run are just noise makers.  The least likely of them all is Pence.

That's always a possibility, considering the GOP has a history of saddling Presidents with RINO.
Reagan got stuck with bush, Trump got screwed by Pence.

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 05:13:08 AMSo you lied. Trump isn't freakin out, in fact you'll see a lot of closing the gap polls, that's to be expected, especially where the NWO is concerned.

But don't make shit up, it makes you Ronny supporters look like, well, Ronny supporters. :rolleyes:

Those are likely the same numbers that the fox broadcaster/email spokeswoman for Trump mentioned. Where he then felt the need to insult her in a public forum. Why trash a former ally who was only reporting the news?
 Yeah, when something that trivial sets someone off on a tangent, you know there's something going on inside.
That's the incident l'm referring to.

Quote from: WMK on June 02, 2023, 07:25:32 AMThose are likely the same numbers that the fox broadcaster/email spokeswoman for Trump mentioned. Where he then felt the need to insult her in a public forum. Why trash a former ally who was only reporting the news?
 Yeah, when something that trivial sets someone off on a tangent, you know there's something going on inside.
That's the incident l'm referring to.

You mean McEnaney?
She stabbed him in the back, so she deserves everything coming at her!

I'm sure she was far more of an asset to Trump than a so called 'backstabber.'
So, is everyone that jumps to DeSantis from Trump gonna be labeled, "backstabbers" by Trump and or MAGA? Because many of the former POTUS admin.of him are actively doing so, and for viable strategic political reasons:

Quote. 

 By Tom Howell Jr. - The Washington Times - Monday, May 29, 2023
Former President Donald Trump dominates the GOP primary field in early polling, but his rivals are ready to exploit a potential weakness: He can only serve one term if he wins in 2024.
A group of former Trump officials recently formed "The Eight-Year Alliance" in support of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, saying the GOP's to-do list "simply can't be done by a president who becomes a lame duck on his first day in office."

QuoteThese are over of 100 former Trump employees total.

Quote from: WMK on June 02, 2023, 11:28:46 AMI'm sure she was far more of an asset to Trump than a so called 'backstabber.'
So, is everyone that jumps to DeSantis from Trump gonna be labeled, "backstabbers" by Trump and or MAGA? Because many of the former POTUS admin.of him are actively doing so, and for viable strategic political reasons:

Quote. 

 By Tom Howell Jr. - The Washington Times - Monday, May 29, 2023
Former President Donald Trump dominates the GOP primary field in early polling, but his rivals are ready to exploit a potential weakness: He can only serve one term if he wins in 2024.
A group of former Trump officials recently formed "The Eight-Year Alliance" in support of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, saying the GOP's to-do list "simply can't be done by a president who becomes a lame duck on his first day in office."

QuoteThese are over of 100 former Trump employees total.

Don't know, but I do know Patriots won't put up with these morons selling out to the NWO!

Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 01:01:46 AMYou have to ask yourself why such outlandish and foolish comments when you're supposed to have such a commanding lead in the polls? The only rational conclusions you can come to is; Trump knows the polls are suspect. He's obsessed with the fear of DeSantis eventually prevailing. He's really dumb and resorts to visceral responses to fill a mental void.
It's all surreal.

Now trump praises kim jung un. Does he grasp the WHO would lock us down with no recourse?

Quote from: Possum on May 31, 2023, 06:54:33 AMHe was comparing Cuomo to DeSantis. I'm surprised you did not make that comparison yourself.

Florida was a beacon of hope. Only a loon would compare cuomo favorably. Trump is nuts

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 07:27:07 AMYou mean McEnaney?
She stabbed him in the back, so she deserves everything coming at her!

Loyalty seems to be a one way street with Trump. She was a great  press secretary.

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2023, 02:11:29 PMDon't know, but I do know Patriots won't put up with these morons selling out to the NWO!

What about the WHO? Trump congratulated Kim Jung Un for  being  on the WHO'S executive  board. Is Trump even aware that Kim would  like  nothing  more than to lock down America the  next time there  is a  pandemic and  if  we  join the WHO treaty we do what they say. Its a disaster and Trump congratulating  him is  obscene.
https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1665130849799397376

Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 01:01:46 AMYou have to ask yourself why such outlandish and foolish comments when you're supposed to have such a commanding lead in the polls? The only rational conclusions you can come to is; Trump knows the polls are suspect. He's obsessed with the fear of DeSantis eventually prevailing. He's really dumb and resorts to visceral responses to fill a mental void.
It's all surreal.

I agree and Trump is  losing  it. He  is  making some really  stupid  unforced errors. Everyone  on here saw Florida as a  beacon of  hope during  the  plandemic.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 04, 2023, 04:12:21 PMLoyalty seems to be a one way street with Trump. She was a great  press secretary.

No one said otherwise!

Quote from: Solar on June 04, 2023, 05:47:41 PMNo one said otherwise!

But  he  became  unhinged  over basically  nothing.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 04, 2023, 06:31:21 PMBut  he  became  unhinged  over basically  nothing.

A friend stabbing you in the back us "Nothing"?

Quote from: Solar on June 05, 2023, 05:55:18 AMA friend stabbing you in the back us "Nothing"?

This is stabbing him in the back?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/trump-turns-on-his-ex-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany/

At  best she  misquoted a  poll. I  think he  could  have  handled  it with a  bit  more grace.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 04, 2023, 02:35:54 PMNow trump praises kim jung un. Does he grasp the WHO would lock us down with no recourse?

Well, let's look at Trump's foreign policy. He made NATO cough up their fair share for their own defense, he punished china for unfair trading, he had treaties signed in the middle east when NO ONE thought it could be possible, he shut down illegal immigration to a trickle of what it is now, he hit and held Russia at bay by making US energy independent, and he got little Kim Un to stop firing and testing rockets. I bet you miss the days of Obama's policies.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 06:24:11 AMThis is stabbing him in the back?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/31/trump-turns-on-his-ex-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany/

At  best she  misquoted a  poll. I  think he  could  have  handled  it with a  bit  more grace.

She backed DeSantis Moron!!!

Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 06:33:10 AMWell, let's look at Trump's foreign policy. He made NATO cough up their fair share for their own defense, he punished china for unfair trading, he had treaties signed in the middle east when NO ONE thought it could be possible, he shut down illegal immigration to a trickle of what it is now, he hit and held Russia at bay by making US energy independent, and he got little Kim Un to stop firing and testing rockets. I bet you miss the days of Obama's policies.

Trump did alot  of  good things and  if  i thought  he had a  chance to win now i might still support  him. He  is  making  way too many unforced errors  now and  i dont think he has a chance  in hell of  beating  Biden or any dem.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 06:47:50 AMTrump did alot  of  good things and  if  i thought  he had a  chance to win now i might still support  him. He  is  making  way too many unforced errors  now and  i dont think he has a chance  in hell of  beating  Biden or any dem.

No, you don't, and that's a problem! Emotion is a reaction, not thinking!

Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 06:47:50 AMTrump did alot  of  good things and  if  i thought  he had a  chance to win now i might still support  him. He  is  making  way too many unforced errors  now and  i dont think he has a chance  in hell of  beating  Biden or any dem.

His base does not think so. He is still polling high among independents. The only way Trump can lose is if we allow the democrats to steal the election AGAIN. Now ask yourself, if the democrats are planning to steal the 2024 election, do you think they would stop the steal if any other republican won the primary?

Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 06:59:39 AMHis base does not think so. He is still polling high among independents. The only way Trump can lose is if we allow the democrats to steal the election AGAIN. Now ask yourself, if the democrats are planning to steal the 2024 election, do you think they would stop the steal if any other republican won the primary?

DeSantis launch was a complete and utter failure. Since that date many jumped into the race.
Why? Because they saw blood in the water, they know DeSantis hasn't a prayer, so they can now bask in the light because there won't be a focus on DeSantis and these candidates can grow their base for future elections.

Sure, they know Trump has this in the bag, but people like Ramaswamy can get his Conservative message out unimpeded. :thumbsup: 

Quote from: Solar on June 05, 2023, 07:10:11 AMDeSantis launch was a complete and utter failure. Since that date many jumped into the race.
Why? Because they saw blood in the water, they know DeSantis hasn't a prayer, so they can now bask in the light because there won't be a focus on DeSantis and these candidates can grow their base for future elections.

Sure, they know Trump has this in the bag, but people like Ramaswamy can get his Conservative message out unimpeded. :thumbsup: 

I think you nailed it. It does make sense. Let Trump knock DeSantis out for 2024 and 2028. I would have to say bad planning on DeSantis part. Had he waited, he would have probably been the front runner in 2028.

Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 07:20:08 AMI think you nailed it. It does make sense. Let Trump knock DeSantis out for 2024 and 2028. I would have to say bad planning on DeSantis part. Had he waited, he would have probably been the front runner in 2028.

Exactly!
The NWO couldn't risk Trump getting back in, so they did a Hail Mary and destroyed their one chance of stealing the country one last time in 2028.
It's over for theses Scum Sucking Establishment NWO whores! :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Notice how easily the truth flows from Ron's lips, then compare that same guy running today. :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl


https://twitter.com/i/status/1665687281229873155

Quote from: Solar on June 05, 2023, 07:10:11 AMDeSantis launch was a complete and utter failure. Since that date many jumped into the race.
Why? Because they saw blood in the water, they know DeSantis hasn't a prayer, so they can now bask in the light because there won't be a focus on DeSantis and these candidates can grow their base for future elections.

Sure, they know Trump has this in the bag, but people like Ramaswamy can get his Conservative message out unimpeded. :thumbsup: 

We will see. I expect Trump's campaign will be ended  in Iowa.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 04, 2023, 04:18:35 PMWhat about the WHO? Trump congratulated Kim Jung Un for  being  on the WHO'S executive  board. Is Trump even aware that Kim would  like  nothing  more than to lock down America the  next time there  is a  pandemic and  if  we  join the WHO treaty we do what they say. Its a disaster and Trump congratulating  him is  obscene.
https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1665130849799397376

I wouldn't put stock in anything Trump is blurting out now as most of it is for effect, IMO. He's obsessed with DeSantis, despite having a commanding lead in the polls.

What DeSantis understands very well is that when handling questions by the press, you make your point, then move on.  He knows that the follow-up will likely try to draw him into a verbal confrontation with Trump or something.
 That's all this primary means to MSM - a ratings event.

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 11:13:15 AMI wouldn't put stock in anything Trump is blurting out now as most of it is for effect, IMO. He's obsessed with DeSantis, despite having a commanding lead in the polls.

What DeSantis understands very well is that when handling questions by the press, you make your point, then move on.  He knows that the follow-up will likely try to draw him into a verbal confrontation with Trump or something.
 That's all this primary means to MSM - a ratings event.

I question whether  he really  has a  commanding  lead. I see Iowa turning  out  1 of  2 ways. Either Ron wins  outright or Trump wins with 28-32% but the anti-trump vote will end  up behind DeSantis.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 09:31:53 AMWe will see. I expect Trump's campaign will be ended  in Iowa.

Iowa is a critical juncture for most, but don't know if that pertains to Trump. This primary is as fluid as they get.

He can't even beat the stupidest guy on the ticket, and you think he's has a shot against Trump? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

General Election: DeSantis vs. Biden    Rasmussen Reports    DeSantis 44, Biden 44

Never Mind.... :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

Trump 53, DeSantis 21, Haley 3, Scott 2, Ramaswamy 2, Pence 1, Hutchinson 0, Sununu 0

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

"We all know Polls are in essence useless..." That's funnier now than it was the first time.

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 03:36:03 PMIowa is a critical juncture for most, but don't know if that pertains to Trump. This primary is as fluid as they get.

Trump is  bleeding  out  in Iowa. I expect DeSantis will take  Iowa buteven if  trump narrowly wins  it will be seen as a  loss after  holding  supposedly a  monumental lead.

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 06:28:35 PM"We all know Polls are in essence useless..." That's funnier now than it was the first time.

I agree, but you can't deny the lack of interest in DeSantis ever becoming anything beyond Governor.
The people know the NWO Uniparty is backing him, and that's a heavy drag no matter how good your record is.

We've been down this road too many damn times and people aren't playing the Establishments game any longer!

What if he plans on Governing to the center assuming he won the primary, would that concern you, or are you for finding an olive branch in all of this?
Many think he would.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 06:43:55 PMTrump is  bleeding  out  in Iowa. I expect DeSantis will take  Iowa buteven if  trump narrowly wins  it will be seen as a  loss after  holding  supposedly a  monumental lead.

Trump already got outflanked in Iowa when he used the weather reports as an excuse to not come to his poorly received rallies in Iowa. DeSantis' team did not skip a beat and put it in gear ot take full advantage of that situation. Iowa loved what they Saw and heard from DeSantis that day.

Quote from: Solar on June 05, 2023, 06:52:14 PMI agree, but you can't deny the lack of interest in DeSantis ever becoming anything beyond Governor.
The people know the NWO Uniparty is backing him, and that's a heavy drag no matter how good your record is.

We've been down this road too many damn times and people aren't playing the Establishments game any longer!

What if he plans on Governing to the center assuming he won the primary, would that concern you, or are you for finding an olive branch in all of this?
Many think he would.

Look at how he governed in the biggest purple state in the union from day 1...after getting in by the skin of his teeth. He didn't go 'moderate' but governed like a staunch conservative. And as for dealing with RINOs & Dems, I believe DeSantis is more knowledgeable and sharper than many are aware of and will pull every lever of power at his disposal to bring his own conservative agenda to fruition.
He has hinted that this blueprint to achieve this end has already been drawn.

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 07:00:23 PMTrump already got outflanked in Iowa when he used the weather reports as an excuse to not come to his poorly received rallies in Iowa. DeSantis' team did not skip a beat and put it in gear ot take full advantage of that situation. Iowa loved what they Saw and heard from DeSantis that day.

And Trump to diss the governor as well.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 08:26:45 PMAnd Trump to diss the governor as well.

Iowa has a great governor.

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 08:06:22 PMLook at how he governed in the biggest purple state in the union from day 1...after getting in by the skin of his teeth. He didn't go 'moderate' but governed like a staunch conservative. And as for dealing with RINOs & Dems, I believe DeSantis is more knowledgeable and sharper than many are aware of and will pull every lever of power at his disposal to bring his own conservative agenda to fruition.
He has hinted that this blueprint to achieve this end has already been drawn.

How is it, you can't see he is not his own man? If not for Fl. Legislature, he'd be a nobody.
His Disney move was designed for show, his handlers thought he could score big on the social issue, but that's backfiring.

This has NWO hand prints all over it, just like BlackRock suing itself in the Tucker-FUX Snooze debacle.
You're being played for the fool you are a tool to keep Trump out of office, and you refuse to see it, but then, that's typical of libs, it's an emotional issue, Nation be damned, you hate Trump that much.

Remember when the GOP played the Christian Right card? If you  knew anything about history, you'd be able to piece together the early plot to divide the base.
Patterns! See them, This is All part of a Marxist plan Decades in the making! And you gullibly fall for it. WHY?

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 08:34:40 PMIowa has a great governor.

Almost as  good as Ron. I was a Kristi Noem supporter but  she  has  been disappointing.

Quote from: Solar on May 09, 2023, 05:12:19 PMMore of your display of stupidity.
Trump has nothing to do with private industry, the very people who hired Fauci. Trump couldn't even fire him you fuckin Twit!

Maybe  not, but  did  he  need to give fauci a  national stage with every  corona  update?

Quote from: ldub23 on June 06, 2023, 07:33:08 AMMaybe  not, but  did  he  need to give fauci a  national stage with every  corona  update?

The media gave him that stage, every liberal talk show, every cable news channel, every nightly news, every time a democrat opened their mouth, Fauci got the stage. He fit their agenda, not Trumps. You keep forgetting this was all planned, every bit of it. Had you been reading and remembering everything that has been posted on THIS FORUM, you would have the knowledge this started years before Trump was in office. Hillary was supposed to be the president, Trump stood in the way.

Quote from: ldub23 on June 06, 2023, 07:33:08 AMMaybe  not, but  did  he  need to give fauci a  national stage with every  corona  update?

Just keep moving the goal posts.
Still waiting for you to prove Trump praised the UN!

Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 07:00:23 PMTrump already got outflanked in Iowa when he used the weather reports as an excuse to not come to his poorly received rallies in Iowa. DeSantis' team did not skip a beat and put it in gear ot take full advantage of that situation. Iowa loved what they Saw and heard from DeSantis that day.

Prove Trump lost Iowa!

Quote from: Solar on June 06, 2023, 09:10:49 AMProve Trump lost Iowa!

What in the world are you drinking or smoking? What are you talkin' about?

Quote from: WMK on June 06, 2023, 05:22:35 PMWhat in the world are you drinking or smoking? What are you talkin' about?

You know exactly what you inferred!

Quote from: Solar on June 06, 2023, 05:27:37 PMYou know exactly what you inferred!

What I "inferred" is exactly what I wrote. 

Quote from: WMK on June 06, 2023, 05:57:27 PMWhat I "inferred" is exactly what I wrote. 

Yeah, we know, that's why I called you out!
Trump was told the weather was bad and best to stay away, but you somehow claim that's a DeSantis victory?

Quote from: Solar on June 06, 2023, 06:06:42 PMYeah, we know, that's why I called you out!
Trump was told the weather was bad and best to stay away, but you somehow claim that's a DeSantis victory?

You're "calling out" is nothing more than an unsubstantiated emotional outburst born of paranoia, IMO. Lighten up.
Definitely a victory for DeSantis. While Trump 'feared' the weather, DeSantis' team spurred a get together with Iowans. DeSantis hasn't closed the gap to 10 in Iowa by 'fearing,' but by being bold.

Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 12:42:24 AMYou're "calling out" is nothing more than an unsubstantiated emotional outburst born of paranoia, IMO. Lighten up.
Definitely a victory for DeSantis. While Trump 'feared' the weather, DeSantis' team spurred a get together with Iowans. DeSantis hasn't closed the gap to 10 in Iowa by 'fearing,' but by being bold.

Who is "Emotional"? You call that some kind of victory?
Trump was told it was not safe to fly his personal jet, he paid for with his own money and the lives of and crew pilots he's responsible for, not like Ron's "hidden donors list" we'll never see, and you think that's some sort of victory?

How about we compare crowd size to that of Ron? When he can travel the world and draw crowds like Trump, then you'll have some bragging rights.
Your RINO puppet isn't going anywhere, Hell, haven't seen him since his supposed "Failed launch".

And I'm emotional? :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 05:43:16 AMAnd I'm emotional? :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl  :bigl

Haha. Thanks for the demonstration.

Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 07:58:46 AMHaha. Thanks for the demonstration.

That's it?
Amazing, your wrist must be getting tired, after all, you've proved to be a Masterdebater.

Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 01:27:46 PMThat's it?

That's all it took.

Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 03:59:01 PMThat's all it took.

Nah, you avoided the rest of the post because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 04:11:01 PMNah, you avoided the rest of the post because you know you don't have a leg to stand on.

Personally, I'm just not a reader of fiction. But by all means, carry on.

Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 05:42:20 PMPersonally, I'm just not a reader of fiction. But by all means, carry on.

You're not reading fiction, you are posting it. See the difference?

Quote from: WMK on June 07, 2023, 05:42:20 PMPersonally, I'm just not a reader of fiction. But by all means, carry on.

Well, if you learn anything here? It could be learning to shut you mouth when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about!
Kid, you get your ass handed to you every time you reply!

Quote from: Possum on June 07, 2023, 06:01:15 PMYou're not reading fiction, you are posting it. See the difference?

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: Solar on June 07, 2023, 06:32:53 PMWell, if you learn anything here? It could be learning to shut you mouth when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about!
Kid, you get your ass handed to you every time you reply!

Cool story. :popcorn:

Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 03:06:39 AMCool story. :popcorn:

Good, lots of popcorn helps to quell oneself from exposing their ignorance.

Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2023, 06:28:12 AMGood, lots of popcorn helps to quell oneself from exposing their ignorance.

I don't doubt you speak from personal experience, but thanks for your input just the same, Solar :thumbsup:

Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 09:14:20 AMI don't doubt you speak from personal experience, but thanks for your input just the same, Solar :thumbsup:

Son, Everything I post is based on experience and observed history!
That's why you keep getting your ass handed to you every time you post.
You know nothing of history or politics!

Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2023, 07:19:07 PMSon, Everything I post is based on experience and observed history!
That's why you keep getting your ass handed to you every time you post.
You know nothing of history or politics!

Here we go -rinse and repeat.

Quote from: WMK on June 08, 2023, 10:28:02 PMHere we go -rinse and repeat.

Yet, you still open your yap despite your intellectual barrier..
Sooo brave...

Quote from: Solar on June 09, 2023, 05:08:26 AMYet, you still open your yap despite your intellectual barrier..
Sooo brave...

He must think with his ass, every time it gets handed to him he has another juvenile response. I think it is like his eight ball, when it gets handed to him he turns it over to see what response pops up.

Quote from: Possum on June 09, 2023, 05:55:45 AMHe must think with his ass, every time it gets handed to him he has another juvenile response. I think it is like his eight ball, when it gets handed to him he turns it over to see what response pops up.

Think?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

How can people be so easily led to think DeSantis is legitimate?

Quote from: Solar on June 09, 2023, 06:44:00 AMThink?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

How can people be so easily led to think DeSantis is legitimate?

Maybe react instead of think? Might be related to Pavlov's dog, but instead of drooling he post juvenile comments.