Quote from: Possum on May 01, 2023, 02:19:57 PMYou're guessing. But, while you are playing pretend, will DeSantis do it correctly, or will he blow it like he did on the lock downs and his stance on Ukraine?

Primer: To"blow it" in politics means to stick with certain strategies or policies to the point where it causes meaningful loss... such an elections, legislations.
Now, I could "pretend" and tell you that's a profile of Desantis, but you'd know better, That that's Trump's profile.  But don't feel too bad. I voted for him too.

Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2023, 09:16:15 AMBefore you started posting about the "Great Alternative" DeSantis, you didn't even know what the NWO Deep State was, let alone understand the Ukraine connection!

Hell, you still think we have a two party system! So save us your BS about alternatives, you ignorantly think Patriots will follow!

Haha. That's all very old stuff already, Solar.  You need to circulate a bit more.
We do have a two-party system. But we now live in a country where a leftist credo has become vastly and deeply rooted.
"...Patriots will follow"? If you mean MAGA specifically, then you'd be one hundred eighty degrees out of phase in your thinking. Not only do I know that MAGA voters would never support DeSantis in the primary, but, if he happened to win, many would just stand down from supporting him in the general too.

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 07:44:45 PMPrimer: To"blow it" in politics means to stick with certain strategies or policies to the point where it causes meaningful loss... such an elections, legislations.
Now, I could "pretend" and tell you that's a profile of Desantis, but you'd know better, That that's Trump's profile.  But don't feel too bad. I voted for him too.

You didn't answer the question. Need a hint?

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 08:10:12 PMHaha. That's all very old stuff already, Solar.  You need to circulate a bit more.

Really? Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum. I've watched the progress over the last 60 years.
This is why you can't see a pattern in DeSantis' candidacy.

QuoteWe do have a two-party system. But we now live in a country where a leftist credo has become vastly and deeply rooted.

Bull shit! We the people were warned decades ago as in the Communist papers 1963, which were placed in the congressional Historical Record on how they would go about taking over this great nation.
And with hindsight being 20/20, it's pretty damned obvious Congress/Both party's have been slow boiling us ever since.

Quote"...Patriots will follow"? If you mean MAGA specifically, then you'd be one hundred eighty degrees out of phase in your thinking. Not only do I know that MAGA voters would never support DeSantis in the primary, but, if he happened to win, many would just stand down from supporting him in the general too.

Patriots, as in the majority of the population.
You fail to recognize just how many see, what you fail to see, that the GOP is doing what they do every election.
When they don't like a conservative candidate, they run one of their own against the people's choice. They claim it's self preservation, but the truth is, the GOP works for the same puppet masters pulling the DNC' strings.
How quickly you forget to "Always follow the money"!

How is it everyone knows this, but you? How is it you were so easily duped into supporting the Establishments candidate?
Did you really fall for all the hate Trump hype put out by their allies in the leftist media?

It's funny, but you come off smarter than this, which leads me to one conclusion. You're an angry Libertarian, aren't you?
I get that, but this anger will never help the situation were in because it was a divide and conquer scheme devised by the very people you're helping to support.

I wrote on this very subject more than two decades ago, that the left would hold he Libertarian party in reserve until needed.

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 07:44:45 PMPrimer: To"blow it" in politics means to stick with certain strategies or policies to the point where it causes meaningful loss... such an elections, legislations.
Now, I could "pretend" and tell you that's a profile of Desantis, but you'd know better, That that's Trump's profile.  But don't feel too bad. I voted for him too.

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 04:05:15 AMYou didn't answer the question. Need a hint?

Why can't you just come out and ask your question directly?

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 09:03:38 AMWhy can't you just come out and ask your question directly?

This is the one I was referring to,

Quotewill DeSantis do it correctly, or will he blow it like he did on the lock downs and his stance on Ukraine?

I thought that was pretty direct. But let me add to it, you are telling us how DeSantis

QuoteDeSantis will be over that target.

in reference to his handling of China. What could you possible be basing that on? He has no foreign experience, has not run businesses all over the world, has not had to deal with foreign leaders, what are you basing your comment on? Hope? Make believe? Wishing?

So far I have watched DeSantis mishandle Disney, unconstitutionally lockdown his state, and come out in favor of a war that only has corrupt players? I'm looking real hard to see what you are seeing there. Don't give me your same old song and dance that he will only hire the best and brightest, SOMEONE gave him bad information on Disney, lockdowns, and Ukraine unless you think he did all that on his own. 

Like it has been said before, right now DeSantis is benefiting from a press that is scared and hates Trump. They would really like to see him gone when the republican primary concludes. DeSantis gives them that hope, a fake hope at best, an outright lie in reality. Why do you suppose the left has not blasted him out of the water for his stance on Disney?? Here's a hint, they will, after Trump is gone.

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 09:49:35 AMThis is the one I was referring to,
I thought that was pretty direct. But let me add to it, you are telling us how DeSantis in reference to his handling of China. What could you possible be basing that on? He has no foreign experience, has not run businesses all over the world, has not had to deal with foreign leaders, what are you basing your comment on? Hope? Make believe? Wishing?

So far I have watched DeSantis mishandle Disney, unconstitutionally lockdown his state, and come out in favor of a war that only has corrupt players? I'm looking real hard to see what you are seeing there. Don't give me your same old song and dance that he will only hire the best and brightest, SOMEONE gave him bad information on Disney, lockdowns, and Ukraine unless you think he did all that on his own. 

Like it has been said before, right now DeSantis is benefiting from a press that is scared and hates Trump. They would really like to see him gone when the republican primary concludes. DeSantis gives them that hope, a fake hope at best, an outright lie in reality. Why do you suppose the left has not blasted him out of the water for his stance on Disney?? Here's a hint, they will, after Trump is gone.

Believe DeSantis would be Reaganesque when dealing with China and other communist entities. Think he'd shed some light on American mega businesses who give China leverage over us i.e. pharmaceuticals

 Your questions here -lockdowns/UKraine is base on a false premise;
His "stance" implies his current positions, not those he supported in the past. I support his "stance" on both issues, and applaud his wisdom to acknowledge good counsel when he hears it. That's why you have advisors.
Had your question been; "isn't DeSantis weak for changing his mind on lockdowns & Ukraine?" My answer would be no. Whenever you,'make it right,' that's never  a weakness. Exceptions? Changing on fundament moral issues that define your character -abortion, marriage, gays, law enforcement, etc.

As for your Disney statement, that's merely your opinion. Moreover, your claim of little criticism is wrong too.
I think DeSantis really HIT the target with all his moves on Disney. All the usual suspects -big money, leftist outlets, RINOs are all coming out of the woodwork now with all kinds of criticisms.
I love it...heads are exploding! But I digress.

If Trump wins, he'll send  Caitlyn Jenner over there to built a consensus. He wouldn't have the moral fortitude to stand upright on that one.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2023, 07:06:25 AMReally? Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum. I've watched the progress over the last 60 years.
This is why you can't see a pattern in DeSantis' candidacy.
Bull shit! We the people were warned decades ago as in the Communist papers 1963, which were placed in the congressional Historical Record on how they would go about taking over this great nation.
And with hindsight being 20/20, it's pretty damned obvious Congress/Both party's have been slow boiling us ever since.
Patriots, as in the majority of the population.
You fail to recognize just how many see, what you fail to see, that the GOP is doing what they do every election.
When they don't like a conservative candidate, they run one of their own against the people's choice. They claim it's self preservation, but the truth is, the GOP works for the same puppet masters pulling the DNC' strings.
How quickly you forget to "Always follow the money"!

How is it everyone knows this, but you? How is it you were so easily duped into supporting the Establishments candidate?
Did you really fall for all the hate Trump hype put out by their allies in the leftist media?

It's funny, but you come off smarter than this, which leads me to one conclusion. You're an angry Libertarian, aren't you?
I get that, but this anger will never help the situation were in because it was a divide and conquer scheme devised by the very people you're helping to support.

I wrote on this very subject more than two decades ago, that the left would hold he Libertarian party in reserve until needed.

Post something concrete I said to back up this statement, "Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum."

The adage 'follow the money" has always applied, since the beginning of time. In politics, MONEY from business/investors follows winners,100%, despite ideology. I'd like  you to point to specific actions/policies he has taken as Gov. to back up your assumptions  DeSantis would become a door mat for 'the enemy'.  Big donors gotta be ecstatic about his dealing with Disney right?
As for the Libertarian Party, their moral code is far too liberal for me. But I've great respect for Ron Paul vs.COVID.

"Patriots, as in the majority of the population." If you believe that statement, you're completely delusional, IMO. 
Why do so many RINOs Leftists, continue to hold positions in office year after year, some for decades? Because the "majority of the population" are patriots?

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 02:49:04 PMPost something concrete I said to back up this statement, "Yet you only just recently became aware of it on this forum."

Your own words give you away, that you still think this is a local POTUS election. It Is Not!

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

I "avoided" your point because I see it as nothing more than conjecture - a subjective interpretation and connection of certain dots from past politics and automatically assuming the same applies here.

Your criticism of DeSantis primarily consist of who's backing him, rather than actions he's actually taken to promote and advance leftist ideals. You don't create the kind of national effect DeSantis did on the right by who's backing you. You cause that by dust-ups no one else is willing to have against the enemy and WINNING them.
The "Establishment may indeed be behind DeSantis for their own agenda.

"Patriots, as in the majority of the population." If you believe that statement, you're completely delusional, IMO. 
Why do so many RINOs Leftists, continue to hold positions in office year after year, some for decades? Because the "majority of the population" are patriots?
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Again, you just don't get it! Soros money played a huge part in getting RINO elected, and as I've stated countless times, the GOP rigs the election in their guys favor, leaving the constituency with little option.

How many times do you recall the Establishment stating: "You can support us, or you get stuck with a Dim" Paraphrased.

Point is, this is not an election that can be taken lightly, this is for world order, and if DeSantis were to win, he'd be saddled with a RINO Veep, just like Reagan and Trump were.

How can you dismiss the NWO in all of this, when the entire world is suffering under the pressure of their thumb?

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 02:16:10 PMWhat's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position.
You don't "wrangle China" per se. You go after America's mega corps. who give them the means to have leverage over us. DeSantis will be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 

Why did he, a potential for president and leader of a state, not have a strong position on Ukraine?

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 12:26:50 PMBelieve DeSantis would be Reaganesque when dealing with China and other communist entities. Think he'd shed some light on American mega businesses who give China leverage over us i.e. pharmaceuticals

Ok, you "believe". No facts. Nothing to go on. Nothing to base it on. But we are supposed to "believe" you know what you are talking about and take your word over NO FACTS. Sorry, can't do it.

QuoteYour questions here -lockdowns/UKraine is base on a false premise;
His "stance" implies his current positions, not those he supported in the past.

Ok, does DeSantis get mulligans on all his decisions? You do realize the war in Ukraine is a major item. We are sending BILLIONS over there. Did he not have enough time to think about it? Do you not recognize that this is how a politician acts when the polls tell him he made a boo boo?

QuoteI support his "stance" on both issues, and applaud his wisdom to acknowledge good counsel when he hears it. That's why you have advisors.

And where were those advisors before he said the stupid crap?? Did they change their minds too?

QuoteHad your question been; "isn't DeSantis weak for changing his mind on lockdowns & Ukraine?" My answer would be no.

Maybe with all the mind changing the question should have been "does he have a backbone?? How many tries does he get for each question before he checks the polls?

QuoteWhenever you,'make it right,' that's never  a weakness. Exceptions? Changing on fundament moral issues that define your character -abortion, marriage, gays, law enforcement, etc.

Sorry, he is not running for the neighborhood homeowners club. He is running for the President of the United States. When asked those softball questions he needs to learn how to NAIL them every time. We do not need another DeBiden in the white house.

QuoteAs for your Disney statement, that's merely your opinion. Moreover, your claim of little criticism is wrong too.

Sorry wrong again. The government should not be preforming a litmus test on businesses to see how they think. I thought it was deployable when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative non-profits and I do not care to see DeSantis following in Obama's footsteps.

QuoteI think DeSantis really HIT the target with all his moves on Disney.

Doesn't say much for you does it? Would you feel the same way if Biden went after companies that donate to the church?

QuoteAll the usual suspects -big money, leftist outlets, RINOs are all coming out of the woodwork now with all kinds of criticisms.
I love it...heads are exploding! But I digress.

can't get nothing right can you?  DeSantis is the one changing his mind, that's how you tell someone is hitting the panic button.

QuoteIf Trump wins, he'll send  Caitlyn Jenner over there to built a consensus. He wouldn't have the moral fortitude to stand upright on that one.

You posted this as fact. I am calling you out, either post proof, or admit you lied.

Quote from: Possum on May 02, 2023, 06:01:22 PMOk, you "believe". No facts. Nothing to go on. Nothing to base it on. But we are supposed to "believe" you know what you are talking about and take your word over NO FACTS. Sorry, can't do it.

 

Ok, does DeSantis get mulligans on all his decisions? You do realize the war in Ukraine is a major item. We are sending BILLIONS over there. Did he not have enough time to think about it? Do you not recognize that this is how a politician acts when the polls tell him he made a boo boo?

And where were those advisors before he said the stupid crap?? Did they change their minds too?

Maybe with all the mind changing the question should have been "does he have a backbone?? How many tries does he get for each question before he checks the polls?

Sorry, he is not running for the neighborhood homeowners club. He is running for the President of the United States. When asked those softball questions he needs to learn how to NAIL them every time. We do not need another DeBiden in the white house.


Sorry wrong again. The government should not be preforming a litmus test on businesses to see how they think. I thought it was deployable when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative non-profits and I do not care to see DeSantis following in Obama's footsteps.

Doesn't say much for you does it? Would you feel the same way if Biden went after companies that donate to the church?

can't get nothing right can you?  DeSantis is the one changing his mind, that's how you tell someone is hitting the panic button.



I really don't care who believes what. I'm confident in my own beliefs and proudly defend and express them, despite the level of opposition. If you don't like the answers or those expressions, the problem is yours, not mine. You don't hear me flying off the handle ranting on at another poster. Your emotional verbiage is reaching a crescendo  like you're afraid or having a panic attack. Stop it!

No. They want you to believe Ukraine is a major item. But it's not. It's a diversion.  That's what the "major item" is, the "diversion."
As for DeSantis, you tell me, you're the mind reader and story teller.

Quote from: taxed on May 02, 2023, 05:18:13 PMWhy did he, a potential for president and leader of a state, not have a strong position on Ukraine?

As a current leader of a state, why would he need a "strong position on Ukraine at all? If he gave a definitive answer isn't that strong enough?
You do know DeSantis currently is NOT a candidate in the primaries? That aside, IMO, what he said is much to do about little. I heard the response he was criticized for, and  though awkward, it was definitive. 

Quote from: WMK on May 02, 2023, 07:23:07 PMAs a current leader of a state, why would he need a "strong position on Ukraine at all? If he gave a definitive answer isn't that strong enough?
You do know DeSantis currently is NOT a candidate in the primaries? That aside, IMO, what he said is much to do about little. I heard the response he was criticized for, and  though awkward, it was definitive. 

Can you fix this? It's impossible to follow.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2023, 04:15:54 PMYour own words give you away, that you still think this is a local POTUS election. It Is Not!

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

I "avoided" your point because I see it as nothing more than conjecture - a subjective interpretation and connection of certain dots from past politics and automatically assuming the same applies here.

Your criticism of DeSantis primarily consist of who's backing him, rather than actions he's actually taken to promote and advance leftist ideals. You don't create the kind of national effect DeSantis did on the right by who's backing you. You cause that by dust-ups no one else is willing to have against the enemy and WINNING them.
The "Establishment may indeed be behind DeSantis for their own agenda.

"Patriots, as in the majority of the population." If you believe that statement, you're completely delusional, IMO. 
Why do so many RINOs Leftists, continue to hold positions in office year after year, some for decades? Because the "majority of the population" are patriots?

Again, you just don't get it! Soros money played a huge part in getting RINO elected, and as I've stated countless times, the GOP rigs the election in their guys favor, leaving the constituency with little option.

How many times do you recall the Establishment stating: "You can support us, or you get stuck with a Dim" Paraphrased.

Point is, this is not an election that can be taken lightly, this is for world order, and if DeSantis were to win, he'd be saddled with a RINO Veep, just like Reagan and Trump were.

How can you dismiss the NWO in all of this, when the entire world is suffering under the pressure of their thumb?

I stand by everything I wrote in that entire post, but will expand on a couple of items.

The most critical issues facing our country, are domestic. Clean the poison out of your own house FIRST,(foreign influences) and YOU WILL then gain the strength to overtake any unwanted outside influences - NWO.
I'm talking an inside out approach, and you continually conclude that it means dismissing it or not really knowing about it. IMO, your conclusions hold to that thinking because it isn't to your thinking, or the way you would approach the NWO problem. Therefore, I am ignorant about it.

As for the "patriots" issue. You tell me why so many are ignorant enough (in 'red' state too) to vote sell-outs in year after year, and I'll tell you why Soros is so eager to invest the money and get his RINO/Lefist candidates in. RINOs have nerve because they see herds of ignorant voters, and not many patriots.
The Founders knew who was responsible for keeping America Republican in the end. And I totally concur.

Quote from: taxed on May 02, 2023, 05:18:13 PMWhy did he, a potential for president and leader of a state, not have a strong position on Ukraine?

Q: Do you clearly understand where DeSantis said he stood on our involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict?  If so, that should make his position strong enough.