Quote from: taxed on April 23, 2023, 03:26:00 PMYes!             

True!!! As Walter Brennan used to say, "No Brag, Just Fact"

Quote from: WMK on April 23, 2023, 07:02:56 PMCareful. Pills can come with nasty side effects.

So, how's that RINO sized pill going?
Not that it matters, but since Trump was not only tested on the world stage, bringing our enemies to th bargaining table and getting what we needed to keep peace.

What is it about Trump's policies/successes that you despise so much, that you're willing to place an untested RINO backed candidate in his place?

Seriously, I'd really like to know what makes DeSantis so appealing?

Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2023, 05:14:36 AMSo, how's that RINO sized pill going?
Not that it matters, but since Trump was not only tested on the world stage, bringing our enemies to th bargaining table and getting what we needed to keep peace.

What is it about Trump's policies/successes that you despise so much, that you're willing to place an untested RINO backed candidate in his place?

Seriously, I'd really like to know what makes DeSantis so appealing?

No pills. I've natural immunity against R-I-N-O-I-T-I-S

Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all. Domestically, his pro-business actions are what got our economy humming along. And making us considerably energy independent was huge for me. As a self-employed person, I greatly appreciated all our economic advances.
Trump is also now justifiably the greatest pro-life president in the history of America because of the overturning of Roe vs Wade.

Now as for his antics on social media? It irked me because I thought it was stupid and unnecessary. But I overlooked it because how he governed is what really mattered to me. "Touchy/feely' I am not!
 
I believe where Trump failed miserably was in his apparent inability to make wise decisions in the hirings/firings that were needed to advance his agenda. He was never a staunch conservative at heart, so how could place a proper value on having them in numbers as team players? His enemies were powerful,trecherous and numerous.  But, they were NOT invincible. To combat this, the WH was filled with novices, secularists, agnostics, wall-streeters, , neocons, democrats, RINOs... And much of this pattern inadequate hiring/firing persisted throughout his term. Finally, in the end,  during his biggest challenge as POTUS-COVID, his inability or lack of fortitude in quickly dispatching or neutralizing healthcare bureaucrats and others opposed to what his initial senses were already telling about this situation, even after allowing for a "15-day curve", he failed to quickly make the necessary pivot, take charge and change course.
If Trump had backbone and the courage of his convictions, he'd still be president today, IMO. His margin of victory would have been large enough for leftists to ever consider stealing it away.

As for my assessment of Desantis, where Trump proved weak, DeSantis proved strong. The people DeSantis hired & fired were done with wise calculations. He could discern if they shared his conservative heart-felt where it mattered and hired them accordingly.Moreover, if someone or something went array, that source was dispatched or neutralized quickly.
His decisiveness on opening up Fla. during the earlier phases of COVId was a result of self-educating and having the courage of his convictions to act, even when vast majorities did not. Great leaders have the capacity to know their limitations, acknowledge mistakes and have the humility and courage to right them. 
These qualities and his achievements are what brought DeSantis to national prominence.  The measure of his achievements command the degree of respect from me to back him and disregard those dubious donors gravitating towards him, at least until I see otherwise.

Finally, DeSantis is about to enter the 'major league' of politics -the national arena. As to how he'll hold up as a mensch, I do not know for certain. But I have high expectations, though he's bound to get bloodied up a bit.

Scott Walker impressed me in Wisc. But, in my lifetime, I'd have to say DeSantis is the greatest governor I ever saw.

Quote from: WMK on April 24, 2023, 11:52:25 AMNo pills. I've natural immunity against R-I-N-O-I-T-I-S

Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all. Domestically, his pro-business actions are what got our economy humming along. And making us considerably energy independent was huge for me. As a self-employed person, I greatly appreciated all our economic advances.
Trump is also now justifiably the greatest pro-life president in the history of America because of the overturning of Roe vs Wade.

Now as for his antics on social media? It irked me because I thought it was stupid and unnecessary. But I overlooked it because how he governed is what really mattered to me. "Touchy/feely' I am not!
 
I believe where Trump failed miserably was in his apparent inability to make wise decisions in the hirings/firings that were needed to advance his agenda. He was never a staunch conservative at heart, so how could place a proper value on having them in numbers as team players? His enemies were powerful,trecherous and numerous.  But, they were NOT invincible. To combat this, the WH was filled with novices, secularists, agnostics, wall-streeters, , neocons, democrats, RINOs... And much of this pattern inadequate hiring/firing persisted throughout his term. Finally, in the end,  during his biggest challenge as POTUS-COVID, his inability or lack of fortitude in quickly dispatching or neutralizing healthcare bureaucrats and others opposed to what his initial senses were already telling about this situation, even after allowing for a "15-day curve", he failed to quickly make the necessary pivot, take charge and change course.
If Trump had backbone and the courage of his convictions, he'd still be president today, IMO. His margin of victory would have been large enough for leftists to ever consider stealing it away.

As for my assessment of Desantis, where Trump proved weak, DeSantis proved strong. The people DeSantis hired & fired were done with wise calculations. He could discern if they shared his conservative heart-felt where it mattered and hired them accordingly.Moreover, if someone or something went array, that source was dispatched or neutralized quickly.
His decisiveness on opening up Fla. during the earlier phases of COVId was a result of self-educating and having the courage of his convictions to act, even when vast majorities did not. Great leaders have the capacity to know their limitations, acknowledge mistakes and have the humility and courage to right them. 
These qualities and his achievements are what brought DeSantis to national prominence.  The measure of his achievements command the degree of respect from me to back him and disregard those dubious donors gravitating towards him, at least until I see otherwise.

Finally, DeSantis is about to enter the 'major league' of politics -the national arena. As to how he'll hold up as a mensch, I do not know for certain. But I have high expectations, though he's bound to get bloodied up a bit.

Scott Walker impressed me in Wisc. But, in my lifetime, I'd have to say DeSantis is the greatest governor I ever saw.

That really didn't say much at all despite being windy and full of mistruths and BS and Unicorn Fart Wishes.

Ever heard the saying, "you are, with whom you associate". We have a man that got N/K to stop threatening its neighbors, despite CCP control, and he gave up nothing.
And that's just one example of Trump dealing with foreign powers, but there isn't one incident anyone can point to that say's DeSantis would make a global leader, which is exactly what is needed at this time in history.

Trump knows the Deep State, the NWO controlled NATO war in Ukraine, he knows who he needs to talk to to end this bullshit. DeSantis?
Trump proved himself on the world stage, and in just a few short years the communists have run wild globally under DNC leadership.
Guess who shares those DNC values? RINO, yep, the part of the Uniparty that backs DeSantis. Remember: "you are, with whom you associate", and that select group is backing DeSantis over Trump. Why is that?

But the bigger question still remains, why are you backing the enemy of the US over a proven leader?
Don't give that MSM crap that somehow Trump weak, when he is being attacked from every angle by enemies of the US.

Two things would occur if DeSantis were to get the seat. One would be, either he is praised by the powers that be because he was a total sellout, or two, the left would eat him alive through his lack of inexperience.

You claim Trump chose badly? What do you suppose would happen to the guy when the RINO tells him who they want in his Cabinet?
At least Trump had a few good men he, himself, chose, but DeSantis wouldn't have a chance.
Why would you want to let the enemy have that much leverage over our Govt when we know for a fact that Trump has his sites on taking down the enemy and ending this Culture killing madness, once and for all.

DeSantis has nowhere the friends or global connections, yet you want a fuckin kid in the power seat?
No, your claim of Conservative is weak. You very much remind me of Ann Coulter.

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2023, 06:54:06 AMThat really didn't say much at all despite being windy and full of mistruths and BS and Unicorn Fart Wishes.

Ever heard the saying, "you are, with whom you associate". We have a man that got N/K to stop threatening its neighbors, despite CCP control, and he gave up nothing.
And that's just one example of Trump dealing with foreign powers, but there isn't one incident anyone can point to that say's DeSantis would make a global leader, which is exactly what is needed at this time in history.

Trump knows the Deep State, the NWO controlled NATO war in Ukraine, he knows who he needs to talk to to end this bullshit. DeSantis?
Trump proved himself on the world stage, and in just a few short years the communists have run wild globally under DNC leadership.
Guess who shares those DNC values? RINO, yep, the part of the Uniparty that backs DeSantis. Remember: "you are, with whom you associate", and that select group is backing DeSantis over Trump. Why is that?

But the bigger question still remains, why are you backing the enemy of the US over a proven leader?
Don't give that MSM crap that somehow Trump weak, when he is being attacked from every angle by enemies of the US.

Two things would occur if DeSantis were to get the seat. One would be, either he is praised by the powers that be because he was a total sellout, or two, the left would eat him alive through his lack of inexperience.

You claim Trump chose badly? What do you suppose would happen to the guy when the RINO tells him who they want in his Cabinet?
At least Trump had a few good men he, himself, chose, but DeSantis wouldn't have a chance.
Why would you want to let the enemy have that much leverage over our Govt when we know for a fact that Trump has his sites on taking down the enemy and ending this Culture killing madness, once and for all.

DeSantis has nowhere the friends or global connections, yet you want a fuckin kid in the power seat?
No, your claim of Conservative is weak. You very much remind me of Ann Coulter.

Why read into what I'm saying, rather than just read it at face value? I give credit to Trump on his foreign policies, "Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all",  yet you're compelled  to rant as if I didn't.

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

To untested novices and Trump knowing the "deep state"?  For cryin' out loud, the man doesn't even know his own son-in-law who became his chief advisor; Jared Kushner, a complete political novice who had no concept of prioritizing or delegating.  Either that or the probability that Trump did know Jared, but thought 'keeping it all in the family' was more important than placing a battle tested conservative in that position of power.  You make the choice.
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And as to your claim of Trump "ending this Culture killing madness", his current actions disprove that. Trump quickly succumbed to the need of siding with leftist corps. and political sycophants for personal political gain the moment he felt threatened. Which brings a question to mind; do you think Trump kisses or shakes hands with allies like Caitlyn Jenner at Mar a Logo? But I digress.

You've strongly suggested DeSantis is "the enemy" and I'm, at the least, complicit by supporting him over Trump in this primary.  So be it.  I'm becoming accustomed to that kind of response.
As to your criticisms of DeSantis the bulk of them amount to nothing more than a presupposed supposition predicated upon personal suspicions. In that respect, you also parrot on negatively about what might be or could be, and who's backing him,  rather than focus on pertinent issues like his current record(s), which reflect positive meaningful, accomplishments and building overwhelming public support in the 3rd biggest state of the Union.  And he's not done yet.

Contrast that with my criticisms of Trump, which are based on his overall past record as POTUS. Like DeSantis, I'm judging him on his accomplishment overall, not what could have been or would have been. Trump has a record, and in that record I listed his positives and negatives. Unfortunately,  my overall assessment found Trump to be wanting as a national leader. He's responsible for the direction of the country, and the performances of those chosen to be on his team. On the most important issues he governed like a pseudo conservative; lacking the necessary courage to stand by who and what was right, even to the end. This is how you build a united front, rather than "a house divided against itself..."

Quote from: WMK on April 25, 2023, 04:20:26 PMWhy read into what I'm saying, rather than just read it at face value? I give credit to Trump on his foreign policies, "Trump made good strides on some international fronts - his posture against China & Mexico, dealings with the Saudis/Middle East and all",  yet you're compelled  to rant as if I didn't.

Aside: I' wouldn't give you a plug nickel for 12 good foreign policy achievements, against the choice of taking 3 good on the domestic front at a thousand dollars apiece..

To untested novices and Trump knowing the "deep state"?  For cryin' out loud, the man doesn't even know his own son-in-law who became his chief advisor; Jared Kushner, a complete political novice who had no concept of prioritizing or delegating.  Either that or the probability that Trump did know Jared, but thought 'keeping it all in the family' was more important than placing a battle tested conservative in that position of power.  You make the choice.
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And as to your claim of Trump "ending this Culture killing madness", his current actions disprove that. Trump quickly succumbed to the need of siding with leftist corps. and political sycophants for personal political gain the moment he felt threatened. Which brings a question to mind; do you think Trump kisses or shakes hands with allies like Caitlyn Jenner at Mar a Logo? But I digress.

You've strongly suggested DeSantis is "the enemy" and I'm, at the least, complicit by supporting him over Trump in this primary.  So be it.  I'm becoming accustomed to that kind of response.
As to your criticisms of DeSantis the bulk of them amount to nothing more than a presupposed supposition predicated upon personal suspicions. In that respect, you also parrot on negatively about what might be or could be, and who's backing him,  rather than focus on pertinent issues like his current record(s), which reflect positive meaningful, accomplishments and building overwhelming public support in the 3rd biggest state of the Union.  And he's not done yet.

Contrast that with my criticisms of Trump, which are based on his overall past record as POTUS. Like DeSantis, I'm judging him on his accomplishment overall, not what could have been or would have been. Trump has a record, and in that record I listed his positives and negatives. Unfortunately,  my overall assessment found Trump to be wanting as a national leader. He's responsible for the direction of the country, and the performances of those chosen to be on his team. On the most important issues he governed like a pseudo conservative; lacking the necessary courage to stand by who and what was right, even to the end. This is how you build a united front, rather than "a house divided against itself..."

Wow, you are completely clueless on this subject!
The Establishment/Uniparty/NWO is backing DeSantis for one reason, they know what Trump will do to their game, something they simply can't afford, because they know they all face prison when he's elected.

This election is far bigger than just a US election. The entre world relies on Trump ending the NWO takeover of the planet, and you think somehow DeSantis can fill Trump's shoes? He's a damn untested kid!

I don't even know how to get through to you, this is bigger than just a simple Presidential election, because unless we stop the NWO, we can kiss the US good bye.
And it is the NWO who is backing DeSantis, who hasn't even said he's running.

Am I getting through to you at all?

Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2023, 05:14:36 AMSo, how's that RINO sized pill going?
Not that it matters, but since Trump was not only tested on the world stage, bringing our enemies to th bargaining table and getting what we needed to keep peace.

What is it about Trump's policies/successes that you despise so much, that you're willing to place an untested RINO backed candidate in his place?

Seriously, I'd really like to know what makes DeSantis so appealing?

Trump is unelectable desantis is

Quote from: ldub23 on April 26, 2023, 08:01:12 AMTrump is unelectable desantis is

And still you have not posted one thing to back up your ludicrous assertions. Why is that?

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2023, 08:23:36 AMAnd still you have not posted one thing to back up your ludicrous assertions. Why is that?

He also thinks Jodi Arias is innocent.

Quote from: taxed on April 26, 2023, 11:14:33 AMHe also thinks Jodi Arias is innocent.

Emotions are a dangerous thing.

Quote from: ldub23 on April 26, 2023, 08:01:12 AMTrump is unelectable desantis is

To your line of thinking, it could be possible that's the indictments against Trump are merely to serve as a distraction to prevent DeSantis from having too much exposure. By keeping Trump front and center politics would be reduced to nothing more than kabuki theater - Heroes & Villians

Quote from: Solar on April 25, 2023, 05:16:57 PMWow, you are completely clueless on this subject!
The Establishment/Uniparty/NWO is backing DeSantis for one reason, they know what Trump will do to their game, something they simply can't afford, because they know they all face prison when he's elected.

This election is far bigger than just a US election. The entre world relies on Trump ending the NWO takeover of the planet, and you think somehow DeSantis can fill Trump's shoes? He's a damn untested kid!

I don't even know how to get through to you, this is bigger than just a simple Presidential election, because unless we stop the NWO, we can kiss the US good bye.
And it is the NWO who is backing DeSantis, who hasn't even said he's running.

Am I getting through to you at all?

Not until you can give account for Trump's term as POTUS.

* COVID Pandemic: Tell me why Trump continued to let Birx/Fauci have an extended platform to spout their lying, authoritarian COVID agenda,  even after knowing about proven remedies and who really needed  isolation?

* Why sign off on a deal with big pharma deal (Operation Warp Speed) whose product wasn't properly tested? More so, why sweeten that deal by granting them full immunity from any legal challenges?
* And why continue to brag about OWS even after it became obvious its products were producing serious, even lethal side effects to thousands of Americans mandated to take them?
* Why tell MAGA supporters to take the jab even after they've booed you? 
* Why allow a complete novice to serve as your chief                           advisor-Jared Kushner? And what valuable policy input from Ivanka?
*  How did selecting a WH full of Goldman Sachs people (former RINO choices)  help to "drain the swamp"?
*  Why the public humiliation of your truest, staunchest conservative supporter who you made, AG - Jeff Sessions?  Did you not understand he had NO choice but to recuse himself from the 'investigation' because of his personal involvement in your presidential campaign?
* Why allow political enemies -deep state - to maintain positions of power once in the Oval Office?
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*  Why even now  side with woke corporations against a primary  candidate if they're "the enemy"? 
* Why do leftist outlets side with Trump over DeSantis more so now?
* Why did Trump so willingly show up in NY to be indicted?

Trump is no conservative, by any stretch of the imagination. You've even acknowledged that. So, I'll finally ask; How could he ever discern or govern like a conservative?

Quote from: WMK on April 27, 2023, 06:10:04 AMNot until you can give account for Trump's term as POTUS.

* COVID Pandemic: Tell me why Trump continued to let Birx/Fauci have an extended platform to spout their lying, authoritarian COVID agenda,  even after knowing about proven remedies and who really needed  isolation?

* Why sign off on a deal with big pharma deal (Operation Warp Speed) whose product wasn't properly tested? More so, why sweeten that deal by granting them full immunity from any legal challenges?
* And why continue to brag about OWS even after it became obvious its products were producing serious, even lethal side effects to thousands of Americans mandated to take them?
* Why tell MAGA supporters to take the jab even after they've booed you? 
* Why allow a complete novice to serve as your chief                           advisor-Jared Kushner? And what valuable policy input from Ivanka?
*  How did selecting a WH full of Goldman Sachs people (former RINO choices)  help to "drain the swamp"?
*  Why the public humiliation of your truest, staunchest conservative supporter who you made, AG - Jeff Sessions?  Did you not understand he had NO choice but to recuse himself from the 'investigation' because of his personal involvement in your presidential campaign?
* Why allow political enemies -deep state - to maintain positions of power once in the Oval Office?
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*  Why even now  side with woke corporations against a primary  candidate if they're "the enemy"? 
* Why do leftist outlets side with Trump over DeSantis more so now?
* Why did Trump so willingly show up in NY to be indicted?

Trump is no conservative, by any stretch of the imagination. You've even acknowledged that. So, I'll finally ask; How could he ever discern or govern like a conservative?

Yes, I stated that, which is why I didn't vote for him the first time around. Hell, even Trump said it early on, that he is not conservative.
But despite some genuine fuckups, he did damn good as a Patriot.

You mean to tell me if you had been in his place, you could have saw through all the lies all the backstabbing, all the setups to get him thrown out of office?
Then you're one amazing individual, because early on everyone in the world thought this thing was going to attack every single person on he planet.
But you had the gift of insight, the ability to know all the aforementioned was wrong before Trump knew it?

Wow, you're amazing!

You saw how the Uniparty/NWO attacked him 24/7 since the day he took office, an you think anyone that doesn't align with their communist agenda would have been a better choice?
You do realize that attacking Trump was a concerted effort by both sides of the aisle, even Pols we thought were conservatives, or at least on the side of Right.
 
WTF Fairytale do you live in?
Hell, consider this. Maybe DeSantis is in on the charade and helping Trump by keeping the enemy of balance.

See my point? No one can tell the future, we don't even know who the bad guys are anymore, and Trump really didn't know who he could trust, because all of DC is a Swamp!
Yet you sit and play hindsight quarterback as if you were privy to the truth?

Nah, your emotion/hate has clouded your ability for critical thought, thought that would allow you to see the entire truth, that Trump is not the enemy, that you would rather an untested Pol, backed by the enemy', take the reigns as the world burns.

Do you not see the idiocy in that? 

Quote from: WMK on April 25, 2023, 04:20:26 PMContrast that with my criticisms of Trump, which are based on his overall past record as POTUS. Like DeSantis, I'm judging him on his accomplishment overall, not what could have been or would have been. Trump has a record, and in that record I listed his positives and negatives. Unfortunately,  my overall assessment found Trump to be wanting as a national leader. He's responsible for the direction of the country, and the performances of those chosen to be on his team. On the most important issues he governed like a pseudo conservative; lacking the necessary courage to stand by who and what was right, even to the end. This is how you build a united front, rather than "a house divided against itself..."

This is the part I have a hard time following you on. Trump took on the economy and turned it around, all aspects of it. From unemployment, to NO inflation, to low interest rates at the same time there were record stock market rates. Minorities had their lowest unemployment rate, another record. Business, manufacturing, were booming, wages up. Believe it or not, Trump had to have some pretty good people helping out. People he picked to do that job.

On the justice side, Trump appointed over 200 federal judges, they are making a difference everyday on our lives. For the FIRST time in memory, we have a conservative majority on the SCOTUS. Trump could not have made all these picks himself, he had to rely and trust the judgement of others in his circle.

On the border, had congress worked with him we would have a secure border. Congress would not give the money. In spite of that, much progress was made to secure it, again, something he did not do by himself, he had people helping him.

On the world level, progress was made in North, Korea, China, Russia, Nato, middle East etc. AGAIN, Trump did not do all of that by himself, he picked people to help him, they were successful. In fact, he did more to help America than all of our presidents for the past forty years, and THEY had all the experience.

But on to the pandemic. Why did Trump not fire Fauci? What position was Fauci in? He could not issue mandates, he could not close any business down, he could not force any one to wear a damn mask. All he could do was SUGGEST. Personally, I wish Trump would have fired him on day one, but that is because I think he is just a damn little weasel. Now ask yourself, why did so many governors take his advice and shut down their states? Yes, ask yourself WHY DID SOME/ALL THE GOVERNORS TAKE FAUCI'S ADVICE AND SHUT DOWN THEIR STATES????  Start with DeSantis. Did DeSantis not have quality hand picked advisors, doctors, health people to give him advise? Did he not see that despite what the rest of the world was saying, that this was not going to amount to much? Why did he shut down his state? So he could be the first to re-open? Why did he not re-open his state when Trump was calling for the country to re-open? Why did DeSantis not see through the vaccine and allow it to be given through his state? Why is it still available in his state? 

Again, hate to tell you this, but EVERYONE who had government power during the pandemic made errors. We/they were lied to from the beginning, by the same people who have been lying about Trump from the beginning. The only people who knew that this virus was not being presented to us truthfully WERE THOSE WHO WERE DOING TO LYING!! Yet the only person you seem to blame is Trump. The one person pushing OTHER DRUGS as a cure beside the vaccine.

I have said it before but will repeat, this was set up years ago, Hillary was supposed to be in her third year. Thank God Trump was in office. Most on this forum did not support Trump back in 2016. We said then as now, he is not a conservative. So, what changed? We saw how he ran the country!!! We want to see the country again running in that direction. One item we realized right away, Trump wants what is best for this country. Trump is a patriot, our first patriot in the white house in a long, long time.   

But because of "Feelings" we're supposed to dump the great American Patriot Movement?


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