Quote from: WMK on May 06, 2023, 04:03:16 PMHope it is "on".  Maybe you'll grasp what I posted and all that it entails.

You completely ignored what Viktor Orban said regarding Trump, no, he did not say DeSantis because he knows he's nothing but a puppet of the Establishment.
Hell, it seems you're the only clueless on left who doesn't see through the facade.

With history as your guide, when has the Establishment GOP ever backed a Conservative?

Quote from: Solar on May 06, 2023, 06:24:58 PMYou completely ignored what Viktor Orban said regarding Trump, no, he did not say DeSantis because he knows he's nothing but a puppet of the Establishment.
Hell, it seems you're the only clueless on left who doesn't see through the facade.

With history as your guide, when has the Establishment GOP ever backed a Conservative?

Well, they're lined up with Trump, so wouldn't that be an example? Oops. Forgot you don't consider a conservative either.

Quote from: Possum on May 06, 2023, 05:11:25 PMWhat needs to be grasped about the statement " we are losing our civilization,"  is it is not just the democrats that exist in this country who are looking to destroy it. A quick look at the parties leaders, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, Hillary, and the list goes on, are far too stupid to pull this off.

That's probably been the case since two opposing world views existed on the planet earth at the same time.
But read history, ancient and otherwise. Empires weaken when the traditions/credos that made them strong begin to fade or are abandoned. Only then will external influences begin to penetrate their once invincible interior. What America needs first and foremost is a revival of those tradition/Credos that brought her to the pinnacle of power. And it must begin at the bottom (the people) and works it way up through our system of government. "Physician heal theyself" applies here too. America must cure it's own infirmities before focusing on others. The 'Trump saves' credo is a top-down ideal destined for failure in the end.

Quote from: WMK on May 06, 2023, 09:40:35 PMWell, they're lined up with Trump, so wouldn't that be an example? Oops. Forgot you don't consider a conservative either.

You've got nothing to prove that Ron will be a Conservative on the global stage. All you can point to is a Conservative Florida Legislature handing him Bills to sign, that's it!
While you completely ignore his moneyed backers from the far left GOP and pretend he'll be another Rand Paul.

Your TDS has totally destroyed what little critical thought you had left.

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 04:17:01 AMYou've got nothing to prove that Ron will be a Conservative on the global stage. All you can point to is a Conservative Florida Legislature handing him Bills to sign, that's it!
While you completely ignore his moneyed backers from the far left GOP and pretend he'll be another Rand Paul.

Your TDS has totally destroyed what little critical thought you had left.

  It's not a question of "so what if he accepts endorsements from rinos", the question is "why are the rinos endorsing him"?

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 05:19:52 AM  It's not a question of "so what if he accepts endorsements from rinos", the question is "why are the rinos endorsing him"?

   
He wants to ignore history. What other group have we seen take this very same mindset?

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 04:17:01 AMYou've got nothing to prove that Ron will be a Conservative on the global stage. All you can point to is a Conservative Florida Legislature handing him Bills to sign, that's it!
While you completely ignore his moneyed backers from the far left GOP and pretend he'll be another Rand Paul.

Your TDS has totally destroyed what little critical thought you had left.

Yep. DeSantis has his signature on plenty meaningful conservative legislation. That's good enough for me. Deeds "trump" rhetoric, every time, Solar.
The deeds are his. The rhetoric is yours.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:04:48 AMYep. DeSantis has his signature on plenty meaningful conservative legislation. That's good enough for me. Deeds "trump" rhetoric, every time, Solar.
The deeds are his. The rhetoric is yours.

Now just imagine for a second if he'd had a leftist Legislature?
There's be no DeSantis for you to adore.

Yet Trump, he had to deal with a leftist GOP, and still managed to pull off a phenomenal economy, a world class global policy without starting a single war. DeSantis supports war in Taiwan...

There is no comparison between these two men, yet you are some how certain he will be a better POTUS than Trump?
Talk about delusional...

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:04:48 AMYep. DeSantis has his signature on plenty meaningful conservative legislation. That's good enough for me. Deeds "trump" rhetoric, every time, Solar.
The deeds are his. The rhetoric is yours.

https://floridianpress.com/2023/05/desantis-still-wants-defamation-bill-targeting-conservative-and-legacy-media-outlets-video/

QuoteDeSantis Still Wants Defamation Bill Targeting Conservative and 'Legacy' Media Outlets

QuoteGov. DeSantis said that he did not want to "incentivize frivolous lawsuits, but both bills presented and later killed in both the Senate and House of Representatives did just that

It's a good thing DeSantis can enjoy the benefits of a conservative congress. Can you explain why DeSantis insists on meddling in businesses?

QuoteShortly after DeSantis's defamation bill began to track in the Florida legislature, conservative media outlets of all sizes around the state began to rail against the proposed measure,

Rep. Cory Mills (R) also took notice and sent a blistering letter to the Florida legislature expressing his concern over the proposed bill (s).

The opposition was so loud that the measure was quickly killed, and "legacy media" news outlets took notice.

Quote"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis could be on the verge of causing himself a historic and irreparable self-inflicted political wound if he signs into law a controversial legislative measure targeting Free Speech and media outlets." (Source-The Floridian)

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 07:23:01 AMhttps://floridianpress.com/2023/05/desantis-still-wants-defamation-bill-targeting-conservative-and-legacy-media-outlets-video/

It's a good thing DeSantis can enjoy the benefits of a conservative congress. Can you explain why DeSantis insists on meddling in businesses?

I said legislations signed and passed.
As for your version of 'meddling' in businesses, why did Disney start the "meddling" in the affairs of state?

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 07:10:19 AMNow just imagine for a second if he'd had a leftist Legislature?
There's be no DeSantis for you to adore.

Yet Trump, he had to deal with a leftist GOP, and still managed to pull off a phenomenal economy, a world class global policy without starting a single war. DeSantis supports war in Taiwan...

There is no comparison between these two men, yet you are some how certain he will be a better POTUS than Trump?
Talk about delusional...

That's your problem, Solar you deal in hearsay and imagery. I focus on what is reality action taken, accomplishments completed.
Nothing is "certain". But the "records" of how both finished their fight says it all. -one fell short, the other, stronger than ever.  Talkin' about factual.

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 07:46:57 AMI said legislations signed and passed.
As for your version of 'meddling' in businesses, why did Disney start the "meddling" in the affairs of state?

Big difference in business trying to influence government and the government trying to influence business. One of them has the power to put you in jail, the other does not. Business can not create ONE LAW that government has to follow. Several posts ago I asked you a question which went unanswered. When Obama used to IRS to go after conservative non-profit groups did you approve of his action? If not, do you approve DeSantis going after the property tax rate of Disney?

Quote from: WMK on May 07, 2023, 08:02:24 AMThat's your problem, Solar you deal in hearsay and imagery. I focus on what is reality action taken, accomplishments completed.
Nothing is "certain". But the "records" of how both finished their fight says it all. -one fell short, the other, stronger than ever.  Talkin' about factual.

Translation: I've got nothin, so I throw word salad, in hopes of passing it off as a reply.
Kind of getting annoying!

Quote from: Solar on May 07, 2023, 08:37:14 AMTranslation: I've got nothin, so I throw word salad, in hopes of passing it off as a reply.
Kind of getting annoying!

You bet if gets annoying. Facts will do that to you i.e. no wall, Obamacare not repealed. But wait, he did balloon the deficit, even prior to COVID, and despite tax cuts.

Quote from: Possum on May 07, 2023, 08:29:18 AMBig difference in business trying to influence government and the government trying to influence business. One of them has the power to put you in jail, the other does not. Business can not create ONE LAW that government has to follow. Several posts ago I asked you a question which went unanswered. When Obama used to IRS to go after conservative non-profit groups did you approve of his action? If not, do you approve DeSantis going after the property tax rate of Disney?

You need to do a little homework, Possum. What DeSantis sign legislatively was completely within the bounds of state government. What did Obama legislate concerning the IRS?  Don't compare Gestapo tactics to State law. Can't square a circle.