Quote from: Solar on April 30, 2023, 06:48:25 AMNo, it's called Critical thought! Deducing from everything we know, be it the candidate himself, to those who back them, and their past actions as well.
This is why there is but one man for the job with a proven track record.

The alternative is a kid with a tiny window from which to judge outside of of a Conservative backing him.
Trump had none of that, the man stood before the people and stated exactly what he was going to do.
Many including myself, thought he was a liar, an ex Dim who was trying to keep Cruz out of the WH.

For 6 months I watched, waiting for him to turn on the base, and nothing, he was keeping his promises, so I began to support him and again, I was not alone.
But now, suddenly out of nowhere, Trump has a challenger? The base doesn't like that, challenging the one man they know can finish what he started, they know what is backing this sellout, and yes, that's exactly what DeSantis is, a sellout to the enemies of the people.

Yet you let your emotion block your critical thinking in supporting a proven candidate over that of a green kid, why is that?
No, you may see yourself as some form of enlightened conservative, but your actions are those of betrayal to our very way of life and culture and the world beyond.

Have you never even questioned why a bunch of Marxist sellouts would push for such a candidate at this time in history?
More so, why it is, you can't seem to see through the all bull shit?

What baffles me is, first, the fact that DeSantis is not even an official primary candidate yet. Second, this is a primary battle to clear the way for any doubts some conservatives have about Trump's ability to win the Oval Office back, for whatever reason.  I'm getting the impression many MAGA voters believe that anyone who votes other than Trump even in the primary will never back him in the general. Anyone critical is evaluated as a 'never Trumper.'
Critical thinkers review the record Trump now has, without biases, and judge it in accordance to their own standards. And they should. But you  imply that  criticisms/doubts they find, are automatically steeped in emotions, rather than research.
IMO, you're fully convinced that DeSantis is a 'sellout' beholden to 'the enemy'.
And nothing I'll ever say will change that mindset.
But show me policies, speeches or quotes by DeSantis that make your case, and I'll listen. Your criticisms focus mainly on the usual suspects all candidates have -donors and their associates, rather than DeSantis' own actions through governance. 

Quote from: Possum on April 30, 2023, 04:59:17 AMSorry wrong again. The big argument during this time period was who would be in charge of the reopening as the quotes below show, Trump or the governors. Since this had never happened before there was no court ruling. Trump was pushing for reopening and the governors were not going to be the first, as the first one shows.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-trump-cant-order-states-to-reopen-constitutional-scholars-say/

After talking to scholars, Trump had this to say,
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/14/coronavirus-governors-not-trump-have-total-authority-re-open/2989205001/

I'll just let the quotes from Trumps own lips (both yours and mine) speak for themselves as a juxtaposition against your former claims.

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 08:57:51 AMWhat baffles me is, first, the fact that DeSantis is not even an official primary candidate yet. Second, this is a primary battle to clear the way for any doubts some conservatives have about Trump's ability to win the Oval Office back, for whatever reason.  I'm getting the impression many MAGA voters believe that anyone who votes other than Trump even in the primary will never back him in the general. Anyone critical is evaluated as a 'never Trumper.'
Critical thinkers review the record Trump now has, without biases, and judge it in accordance to their own standards. And they should. But you  imply that  criticisms/doubts they find, are automatically steeped in emotions, rather than research.
IMO, you're fully convinced that DeSantis is a 'sellout' beholden to 'the enemy'.
And nothing I'll ever say will change that mindset.
But show me policies, speeches or quotes by DeSantis that make your case, and I'll listen. Your criticisms focus mainly on the usual suspects all candidates have -donors and their associates, rather than DeSantis' own actions through governance. 

Why support a candidate whose sole entry into a presidential election is to play spoiler?
This entire scheme is designed to divide the electorate.

This is not just a run of the mill election, this is the battle for who controls the world, a literal war over good vs evil.
You claim DeSantis is proven by his actions, yet claim Trump has failed on many fronts, all the while forgetting the entire world was fooled by the Deep state/NWO.

Trump was up against a monumental offensive from his supposed, "own party" and the left Uniparty/NWO, and you think some green kid is going to fill Trump's shoes?

This has Establishment interference written all over it, this is literally the first page out of the Establishments' playbook, yet you still back their candidate?

So tell us what you think DeSantis will do differently in combatting this global scourge? After all, you seem convinced this is the time to replace Trump.

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 09:37:54 AMI'll just let the quotes from Trumps own lips (both yours and mine) speak for themselves as a juxtaposition against your former claims.

That would just mean you lose,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,again.

Quote from: Solar on April 30, 2023, 09:53:31 AMWhy support a candidate whose sole entry into a presidential election is to play spoiler?
This entire scheme is designed to divide the electorate.

This is not just a run of the mill election, this is the battle for who controls the world, a literal war over good vs evil.
You claim DeSantis is proven by his actions, yet claim Trump has failed on many fronts, all the while forgetting the entire world was fooled by the Deep state/NWO.

Trump was up against a monumental offensive from his supposed, "own party" and the left Uniparty/NWO, and you think some green kid is going to fill Trump's shoes?

This has Establishment interference written all over it, this is literally the first page out of the Establishments' playbook, yet you still back their candidate?

So tell us what you think DeSantis will do differently in combatting this global scourge? After all, you seem convinced this is the time to replace Trump.

IMO, If DeSantis and the establishment were working "interference," it would have been initiated shortly after Trump made his announcement, or when DeSantis poll numbers were hot over a month ago. And he would not be as laid back about Trump as he is; as though he's contemplating, thinking things through.
Hell, he's still not even an official candidate yet, as he said he wouldn't be until the legislative agenda in Fla. is completed. I think his decision will be genuine, no matter what it is. 
What people are most impressed with is DeSantis style of governing. He talks little before taking action. Granted he got a majority in the legislatures to do so, but it's his approach to matters that tend to catch the opposition off guard.

DeSantis would be primarily focused on the cancer(s) that's destroying America from within. He'll focus on similar issues that he did in Fla., only on a national scale - economics and energy independence, wokeism, transgenderism, immigration. I suspect he'll refrain from any aggressive action on the international front , barring any  sudden changes, and possibly where it affects our energy independence.
Our worst enemies lie within our own border(s), and we to prioritize and exterminate them first before tending to outside vermin.

Quote from: Possum on April 30, 2023, 02:35:31 PMThat would just mean you lose,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,again.

When things mean whatever you want them to mean, of course it would mean that.
 But my brief close was for others who might compare those Trump quotes against all your prior claims.

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 09:31:38 PMWhen things mean whatever you want them to mean, of course it would mean that.
 But my brief close was for others who might compare those Trump quotes against all your prior claims.

Your brief close was for you. I have shown you quotes from Trump that he wanted to push opening the country,

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 03:32:23 PMIMO, If DeSantis and the establishment were working "interference," it would have been initiated shortly after Trump made his announcement, or when DeSantis poll numbers were hot over a month ago. And he would not be as laid back about Trump as he is; as though he's contemplating, thinking things through.
Hell, he's still not even an official candidate yet, as he said he wouldn't be until the legislative agenda in Fla. is completed. I think his decision will be genuine, no matter what it is.

The Legislature just changed the law so Ron could run. Had he said he was running, that would have been illegal, that's why Trump called him out for running a shadow campaign before this date.

QuoteWhat people are most impressed with is DeSantis style of governing. He talks little before taking action. Granted he got a majority in the legislatures to do so, but it's his approach to matters that tend to catch the opposition off guard.

I addressed this in an earlier post, I called it "Low Hanging Fruit". He was doing easy shit to look as if he was doing big shit, when in fact, no one was asking for it in the first place.

QuoteDeSantis would be primarily focused on the cancer(s) that's destroying America from within. He'll focus on similar issues that he did in Fla., only on a national scale - economics and energy independence, wokeism, transgenderism, immigration. I suspect he'll refrain from any aggressive action on the international front , barring any  sudden changes, and possibly where it affects our energy independence.
Our worst enemies lie within our own border(s), and we to prioritize and exterminate them first before tending to outside vermin.

This is simply laughable, Ron won't be working with the Fl Legislature, he'd be dealing with the same lot Trump had to battle.
They would only allow Ron to do as they please or he'd be a lame duck on day one. (Be Our Puppet or Die)

Why is the fact eluding you that the POTUS will be forced to deal with a global enemy first before he can focus on domestic issues?
The cultural shit taking place is not a homegrown issue, it's an external attack on our culture, and you think Ron can do this with an entire media attacking him?

Man, you really need to climb out of your domestic prison and look at the global issue at hand attacking the US.
An entire Marxist Global Movement under the guise of NWO.

Yet somehow you have convinced yourself that some untested kid will be a better fit than a well seasoned man with nearly twice the life experience, who just happens to live in that world?

I won't ask you to prove why you think some greenhorn is better for the job because you and I both know you can't, but you really need to think hard on who can take on the global communists at our current juncture in time of near collapse.

This is bigger than your "Feelings", get over it!!

Quote from: Solar on May 01, 2023, 05:23:17 AMThe Legislature just changed the law so Ron could run. Had he said he was running, that would have been illegal, that's why Trump called him out for running a shadow campaign before this date.
I addressed this in an earlier post, I called it "Low Hanging Fruit". He was doing easy shit to look as if he was doing big shit, when in fact, no one was asking for it in the first place.
This is simply laughable, Ron won't be working with the Fl Legislature, he'd be dealing with the same lot Trump had to battle.
They would only allow Ron to do as they please or he'd be a lame duck on day one. (Be Our Puppet or Die)

Why is the fact eluding you that the POTUS will be forced to deal with a global enemy first before he can focus on domestic issues?
The cultural shit taking place is not a homegrown issue, it's an external attack on our culture, and you think Ron can do this with an entire media attacking him?

Man, you really need to climb out of your domestic prison and look at the global issue at hand attacking the US.
An entire Marxist Global Movement under the guise of NWO.

Yet somehow you have convinced yourself that some untested kid will be a better fit than a well seasoned man with nearly twice the life experience, who just happens to live in that world?

I won't ask you to prove why you think some greenhorn is better for the job because you and I both know you can't, but you really need to think hard on who can take on the global communists at our current juncture in time of near collapse.

This is bigger than your "Feelings", get over it!!

 That globalist/authoritarian influences that have a stranglehold on our Country too should be obvious to any conservative. And that this didn't just start overnight.
 But, IMO, your skepticism has convinced you anyone thinking of alternative solutions to dealing with this infiltration,other than yours,  is in some way complicit, or doesn't fathom its enormity or how deeply rooted it is.
That's opinion, not "feeling." Learn the difference.

Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 06:56:48 AMThat globalist/authoritarian influences that have a stranglehold on our Country too should be obvious to any conservative. And that this didn't just start overnight.
 But, IMO, your skepticism has convinced you anyone thinking of alternative solutions to dealing with this infiltration,other than yours,  is in some way complicit, or doesn't fathom its enormity or how deeply rooted it is.
That's opinion, not "feeling." Learn the difference.

Before you started posting about the "Great Alternative" DeSantis, you didn't even know what the NWO Deep State was, let alone understand the Ukraine connection!

Hell, you still think we have a two party system! So save us your BS about alternatives, you ignorantly think Patriots will follow!

Quote from: WMK on April 30, 2023, 08:57:51 AMWhat baffles me is, first, the fact that DeSantis is not even an official primary candidate yet. Second, this is a primary battle to clear the way for any doubts some conservatives have about Trump's ability to win the Oval Office back, for whatever reason.  I'm getting the impression many MAGA voters believe that anyone who votes other than Trump even in the primary will never back him in the general. Anyone critical is evaluated as a 'never Trumper.'
Critical thinkers review the record Trump now has, without biases, and judge it in accordance to their own standards. And they should. But you  imply that  criticisms/doubts they find, are automatically steeped in emotions, rather than research.
IMO, you're fully convinced that DeSantis is a 'sellout' beholden to 'the enemy'.
And nothing I'll ever say will change that mindset.
But show me policies, speeches or quotes by DeSantis that make your case, and I'll listen. Your criticisms focus mainly on the usual suspects all candidates have -donors and their associates, rather than DeSantis' own actions through governance. 

You're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

Your anti-Trump blinders are skewing your perspective.

Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:10:59 AMYou're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

Your anti-Trump blinders are skewing your perspective.

Bottomline, DeSantis is a kid.

Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:10:59 AMYou're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

What's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position. You don't "wrangle China" per se.
You go after those in America who provide them their leverage - American mega corps. He'll be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 
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Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:10:59 AMYou're still not getting it. For example, can you reconcile DeSantis' position on Ukraine? He's having trouble wrangling Disney... how is he going to wrangle China and the deep-state?

Your anti-Trump blinders are skewing your perspective.

What's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position.
You don't "wrangle China" per se. You go after America's mega corps. who give them the means to have leverage over us. DeSantis will be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 
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Quote from: WMK on May 01, 2023, 02:16:10 PMWhat's to reconcile? Glad to see he corrected an errant position.
You don't "wrangle China" per se. You go after America's mega corps. who give them the means to have leverage over us. DeSantis will be over that target.
Trouble wrangling Disney? Tell that to Disney. 
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You're guessing. But, while you are playing pretend, will DeSantis do it correctly, or will he blow it like he did on the lock downs and his stance on Ukraine?