Un-friggin-believable.... :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
US Dollars...PENSIONS for the Ukrainian people
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1626779089984946176
Quote from: Bronx on February 18, 2023, 08:40:28 AMUn-friggin-believable.... :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
US Dollars...PENSIONS for the Ukrainian people
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1626779089984946176
I hope we see the republicans do more that jump up and down screaming like monkeys. :cursing: :cursing:
Quote from: Bronx on February 18, 2023, 08:40:28 AMUn-friggin-believable.... :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
US Dollars...PENSIONS for the Ukrainian people
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1626779089984946176
People sleep peacefully at night because there are a few tough men prepared to do violence on their behalf.
To paraphrase Bronx's apt signature statement:
Americans sleep peacefully at night because there are a lot of tough Ukrainian men prepared to do violence on their behalf.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 06:24:18 AMTo paraphrase Bronx's apt signature statement:
Americans sleep peacefully at night because there are a lot of tough Ukrainian men prepared to do violence on their behalf.
So you support Ukraine?
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 06:24:18 AMTo paraphrase Bronx's apt signature statement:
Americans sleep peacefully at night because there are a lot of tough Ukrainian men prepared to do violence on their behalf.
Has it escaped you that Russia invaded Ukraine. Ukraine is fighting for its country, not America.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 06:24:18 AMTo paraphrase Bronx's apt signature statement:
Americans sleep peacefully at night because there are a lot of tough Ukrainian men prepared to do violence on their behalf.
You have posted a lot of really stupid crap here, this has to be the dumbest.
Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2023, 06:46:15 AMSo you support Ukraine?
Of course I support Ukraine. Russia, a super power, invaded their tiny neighbour without justification. The Ukraine offers as much threat to Russia as Canada does to the USA. In other words, the Ukraine was no threat to Russia at all. Ukrainians remember the holodomor. Both Russia and the USA guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for the Ukraine giving up her nuclear weapons.
If Russian succeeds in conquoring the Ukraine, they will attack Lithuania or Poland next. That will trigger Article 5. President Putin has made no secret of his ambition to re-create the Soviet Union. If Article 5 is invoked a lot of American lives and treasure will be lost. That is why Americans can sleep peacefully because the Ukrainians are resisting Russia so NATO doesn't have to.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 09:18:23 AMOf course I support Ukraine. Russia, a super power, invaded their tiny neighbour without justification. The Ukraine offers as much threat to Russia as Canada does to the USA. In other words, the Ukraine was no threat to Russia at all. Ukrainians remember the holodomor. Both Russia and the USA guaranteed Ukrainian sovereignty in exchange for the Ukraine giving up her nuclear weapons.
If Russian succeeds in conquoring the Ukraine, they will attack Lithuania or Poland next. That will trigger Article 5. President Putin has made no secret of his ambition to re-create the Soviet Union. If Article 5 is invoked a lot of American lives and treasure will be lost. That is why Americans can sleep peacefully because the Ukrainians are resisting Russia so NATO doesn't have to.
Man, your media has kept you ignorant of the truth!
In short, when the USSR collapsed, the US and Russia signed a treaty/pact, that as long as NATO didn't expand towards Russia, there will be no aggression.
The US broke that pact, and Obama created a coup to oust Ukraine's govt, and installed Zelenskyy, an actor with zero experience.
Zelenskyy's Nazi have been attacking Russians ever since, from shelling to slaughter, and yes, if you do your own research, you'll find all of this to be true!
This is the NWO trying to create WWIII! Yes, the US govt is the enemy here, we are the bad guys!
Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2023, 09:37:36 AMMan, your media has kept you ignorant of the truth!
In short, when the USSR collapsed, the US and Russia signed a treaty/pact, that as long as NATO didn't expand towards Russia, there will be no aggression.
The US broke that pact, and Obama created a coup to oust Ukraine's govt, and installed Zelenskyy, an actor with zero experience.
Zelenskyy's Nazi have been attacking Russians ever since, from shelling to slaughter, and yes, if you do your own research, you'll find all of this to be true!
This is the NWO trying to create WWIII! Yes, the US govt is the enemy here, we are the bad guys!
President Yanukovych made the unpopular decision to abandon the policy of siding with Europe and instead turned towards closer ties with Russia. The Holodomor is still fresh in the minds of Ukrainians. Yanukovych faced censure in Parliament and civil disorder in the population, so he fled to Russia. He was eventually succeeded by President Porochenko in the 2014 election. Russia had invaded Crimea and the Donbas. In 2019, Porochenko was defeated in the Presidential election by President Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy was elected in a free and fair election and has been supported in the war effort by Porochenko. Zelenskyy was installed by the voters of the Ukraine. President Trump did not install President Zelenskyy. (President Obama wasn't in office in 2019.)
There seems to be a misunderstanding about NATO. Nato did not, does not, force any nation to join. Poland Hungary. the Czech Republic,Slovakia, Albania, Bulgaria,Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc., former Warsaw Pact members asked to join NATO. Now, Sweden and Finland wish to join NATO as well. The attraction to NATO is not to threaten Russia. It is to prevent ever being a vassal state of Russia.
If Russia attacks a NATO member, the United States and the other 29 members of NATO will be at war with Russia.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 11:09:16 AMPresident Yanukovych made the unpopular decision to abandon the policy of siding with Europe and instead turned towards closer ties with Russia. The Holodomor is still fresh in the minds of Ukrainians. Yanukovych faced censure in Parliament and civil disorder in the population, so he fled to Russia. He was eventually succeeded by President Porochenko in the 2014 election. Russia had invaded Crimea and the Donbas. In 2019, Porochenko was defeated in the Presidential election by President Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy was elected in a free and fair election and has been supported in the war effort by Porochenko. Zelenskyy was installed by the voters of the Ukraine. President Trump did not install President Zelenskyy. (President Obama wasn't in office in 2019.)
There seems to be a misunderstanding about NATO. Nato did not, does not, force any nation to join. Poland Hungary. the Czech Republic,Slovakia, Albania, Bulgaria,Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc., former Warsaw Pact members asked to join NATO. Now, Sweden and Finland wish to join NATO as well. The attraction to NATO is not to threaten Russia. It is to prevent ever being a vassal state of Russia.
If Russia attacks a NATO member, the United States and the other 29 members of NATO will be at war with Russia.
I suggest you reread what I wrote, and I made no mention of Trump.
My point stopped at Obozo INSTALLING Zelensky!
Stop reading leftist propaganda.
Simply search out Obama installs Zelensky in coup. The truth is out, you just have to dig deeper if you really want to know what Really happened!
Tori:
Why are leftists always giving away money (especially others people's money) to help foreigners (or help foreign nations?
Why do they hate America?
Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2023, 11:55:24 AMI suggest you reread what I wrote, and I made no mention of Trump.
My point stopped at Obozo INSTALLING Zelensky!
Stop reading leftist propaganda.
Simply search out Obama installs Zelensky in coup. The truth is out, you just have to dig deeper if you really want to know what Really happened!
I did a search at both the Public Library and the University Library. Since these events are recent, I focused on journal searches. I have not been able to find any indication that President Zelenskyy was installed by a US led coup. I did find an article that said President Trump criticized President Obama for not providing the Ukraine with sufficient military aid, but it was not a credible claim.
Coups generally involve violence, but President Zelenskyy's election was peaceful and without controversy. He defeated President Porochenko and Porochenko conceeded defeat amicably. Nobody in the Ukraine disputed the results. President Trump called President Zelenskyy to congratulate him on his win. Ref: TASS cited below.
https://tass.com/world/1054861
https://www.wionews.com/world/ukraine-election-poroshenko-concedes-defeat-congratulates-zelensky-212435
"Ukraine's outgoing leader Petro Poroshenko conceded defeat in Sunday's presidential election and congratulated comedian Volodymyr Zelensky on his landslide victory.
Poroshenko said the results were "clear" and a reason to "call my opponent and congratulate him", after exit polls showed the performer taking 73 per cent of the vote." Wion News Agency.
I need to point out that I get my information from mostly print. I never watched American TV news until the 2016 election, when I tuned in to watch Secretary Clinton's expected win. I wasn't shocked at her loss.Not being an American, I didn't care who won. What shocked me was to total lack of objectivity and professionalism on the US network news.
I have learner to be skeptical of what I see after 25 years of taking whitness statements. I believe less of what I read. But when it comes to anything on the internet, I believe nothing, except that clicking on any link is potentially an expensive disaster. The point is, the internet is a terrible place to find information.
So this is the basis for our differences. We trust very different sources of information. I don't expect to change anybody's mind. I like the opportunity to put forward my views. I appreciate the opportunity to read your views.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on February 19, 2023, 01:14:51 PMTori:
Why are leftists always giving away money (especially others people's money) to help foreigners (or help foreign nations?
Why do they hate America?
First, it is Tory, not Tori. as in Conservative. Conservatives are called "Tories." Remember the American revolution and all those evil conservative Tories who fought for the King?
It is not just leftists, and aside from crazy people like Al-Qaeda, few people hate the United States.Nations help each other. France gave the American revolutionaries enormous finacial aid. The burden that wrought on the French was one of the causes of the French Revolution. It is said that World War Two was won with Russian blood and American tax dollars. As I said earlier, the more the west can help the Ukraine against Russia, the less likely the US is to go to war with Russia. That is conflict that will make the war in Ukraine "pale to insignificance." The United States gave its word to the Ukraine to guarantee its sovereignty. Should the US not fulfill this commitment, the rest of NATO will carry on as we did for the first half of WW2 and most of WW1, but the potential for an attack on NATO becomes more likely. That will draw the US into WW3 and a nuclear holocaust.
Another important answer to Sick of Silence's question is it is in the nature of human beings to help those less fortunate. It is a trait for which the United States of America has been a shining example to the world and why most people around the world like America. That is why you have an immigration problem. You are nice people.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 03:49:55 PMI did a search at both the Public Library and the University Library. Since these events are recent, I focused on journal searches. I have not been able to find any indication that President Zelenskyy was installed by a US led coup. I did find an article that said President Trump criticized President Obama for not providing the Ukraine with sufficient military aid, but it was not a credible claim.
Coups generally involve violence, but President Zelenskyy's election was peaceful and without controversy. He defeated President Porochenko and Porochenko conceeded defeat amicably. Nobody in the Ukraine disputed the results. President Trump called President Zelenskyy to congratulate him on his win. Ref: TASS cited below.
https://tass.com/world/1054861
https://www.wionews.com/world/ukraine-election-poroshenko-concedes-defeat-congratulates-zelensky-212435
"Ukraine's outgoing leader Petro Poroshenko conceded defeat in Sunday's presidential election and congratulated comedian Volodymyr Zelensky on his landslide victory.
Poroshenko said the results were "clear" and a reason to "call my opponent and congratulate him", after exit polls showed the performer taking 73 per cent of the vote." Wion News Agency.
I need to point out that I get my information from mostly print. I never watched American TV news until the 2016 election, when I tuned in to watch Secretary Clinton's expected win. I wasn't shocked at her loss.Not being an American, I didn't care who won. What shocked me was to total lack of objectivity and professionalism on the US network news.
I have learner to be skeptical of what I see after 25 years of taking whitness statements. I believe less of what I read. But when it comes to anything on the internet, I believe nothing, except that clicking on any link is potentially an expensive disaster. The point is, the internet is a terrible place to find information.
So this is the basis for our differences. We trust very different sources of information. I don't expect to change anybody's mind. I like the opportunity to put forward my views. I appreciate the opportunity to read your views. First, it is Tory, not Tori. as in Conservative. Conservatives are called "Tories." Remember the American revolution and all those evil conservative Tories who fought for the King?
It is not just leftists, and aside from crazy people like Al-Qaeda, few people hate the United States.Nations help each other. France gave the American revolutionaries enormous finacial aid. The burden that wrought on the French was one of the causes of the French Revolution. It is said that World War Two was won with Russian blood and American tax dollars. As I said earlier, the more the west can help the Ukraine against Russia, the less likely the US is to go to war with Russia. That is conflict that will make the war in Ukraine "pale to insignificance." The United States gave its word to the Ukraine to guarantee its sovereignty. Should the US not fulfill this commitment, the rest of NATO will carry on as we did for the first half of WW2 and most of WW1, but the potential for an attack on NATO becomes more likely. That will draw the US into WW3 and a nuclear holocaust.
Another important answer to Sick of Silence's question is it is in the nature of human beings to help those less fortunate. It is a trait for which the United States of America has been a shining example to the world and why most people around the world like America. That is why you have an immigration problem. You are nice people.
Obama, Biden, Hunter, etc. were up to their eyeballs in Ukraine corruption. You seem to be forgetting that little point.
Quote from: Possum on February 19, 2023, 04:01:03 PMObama, Biden, Hunter, etc. were up to their eyeballs in Ukraine corruption. You seem to be forgetting that little point.
I'm not sure what that has to do with President Putin's decision to initiate an unprovoked invasion of a small neighbour. Whether there is corruption in the Ukraine or not is none of Russia's business and Russia is in no position to point fingers at anybody for corruption.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 07:45:43 PMI'm not sure what that has to do with President Putin's decision to initiate an unprovoked invasion of a small neighbour. Whether there is corruption in the Ukraine or not is none of Russia's business and Russia is in no position to point fingers at anybody for corruption.
Go back and re-read what Solar wrote. This time remember all the corruption of the Obama/Biden and Ukraine governments.
Yeah, a foreign country gets US Funded Pensions and American Vets get to sleep on a steam grate & eat cat food. General Miley (Cyrus) dithers over sex change operations for the troops but can't handle a balloon. The usurper in charge parties in Ukraine while half of Ohio melts, FEMA doesn't come up with a dime.
Our Country is being run by a pack of hysterical school girls
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 20, 2023, 05:07:12 AMYeah, a foreign country gets US Funded Pensions and American Vets get to sleep on a steam grate & eat cat food. General Miley (Cyrus) dithers over sex change operations for the troops but can't handle a balloon. The usurper in charge parties in Ukraine while half of Ohio melts, FEMA doesn't come up with a dime.
Our Country is being run by a pack of hysterical school girls
Nailed it! :thumbup:
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 19, 2023, 07:45:43 PMI'm not sure what that has to do with President Putin's decision to initiate an unprovoked invasion of a small neighbour. Whether there is corruption in the Ukraine or not is none of Russia's business and Russia is in no position to point fingers at anybody for corruption.
Here, maybe this will refresh your memory on how a coup works.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ukraine-accusations-against-trump-put-renewed-focus-on-events-during-obama-administration_3120473.html?ea_src=ai&ea_med=search
Ukraine is the heart of the Deep State!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1627609777835483142
Quote from: Possum on February 20, 2023, 04:21:24 AMGo back and re-read what Solar wrote. This time remember all the corruption of the Obama/Biden and Ukraine governments.
What have Presidents Obama and Biden have to do with President Putin's invasion of a sovereign country?
Go back and read about the holodomor.
(I'm sorry, but I don't click on links. I have no confidence in the veracity of the Epoch Times. )
We disagree on what constitutes a reliable reference.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 20, 2023, 09:39:45 AMWhat have Presidents Obama and Biden have to do with President Putin's invasion of a sovereign country?
Go back and read about the holodomor.
(I'm sorry, but I don't click on links. I have no confidence in the veracity of the Epoch Times. )
We disagree on what constitutes a reliable reference.
too bad, nobody is going to sit here and read it to you. That pretty much leaves you out of the conversation doesn't it?
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 20, 2023, 09:39:45 AMWhat have Presidents Obama and Biden have to do with President Putin's invasion of a sovereign country?
Go back and read about the holodomor.
(I'm sorry, but I don't click on links. I have no confidence in the veracity of the Epoch Times. )
We disagree on what constitutes a reliable reference.
The LSM is constantly lying and getting busted for it!
Epoch has never lied, their track record is virtually batting 100%.
That's why you refuse to read what they have to say, you know it's the truth and you can't handle the truth!
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 20, 2023, 09:39:45 AMWhat have Presidents Obama and Biden have to do with President Putin's invasion of a sovereign country?
Go back and read about the holodomor.
(I'm sorry, but I don't click on links. I have no confidence in the veracity of the Epoch Times. )
We disagree on what constitutes a reliable reference.
It saddens me when I see people so blind to the TRUTH. Tory. Take 4 hours of your next free evening. Watch "Ukraine on Fire" and "Revealing Ukraine". Go watch Victora Newland's words then in 2013 and her words over the past two years. Her initial denials about Bio Labs in Ukraine followed by forced admissions with excuses.
Defending the war in Ukraine makes you look uneducated on this topic. Watch the films. Get educated.
Quote from: esbad63 on February 20, 2023, 06:44:07 PMIt saddens me when I see people so blind to the TRUTH. Tory. Take 4 hours of your next free evening. Watch "Ukraine on Fire" and "Revealing Ukraine". Go watch Victora Newland's words then in 2013 and her words over the past two years. Her initial denials about Bio Labs in Ukraine followed by forced admissions with excuses.
Defending the war in Ukraine makes you look uneducated on this topic. Watch the films. Get educated.
He doesn't want the truth. For one, they'll cut his pay, and two, his head would explode after realizing he's nothing more than a tool.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 20, 2023, 09:39:45 AMWhat have Presidents Obama and Biden have to do with President Putin's invasion of a sovereign country?
Go back and read about the holodomor.
(I'm sorry, but I don't click on links. I have no confidence in the veracity of the Epoch Times. )
We disagree on what constitutes a reliable reference.
How are you in politics and know absolutely nothing about world events that are common knowledge?
Quote from: taxed on February 21, 2023, 07:45:41 AMHow are you in politics and know absolutely nothing about world events that are common knowledge?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You just asked a lib...
Quote from: Solar on February 21, 2023, 09:42:25 AM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You just asked a lib...
It is unbelievable how clueless this guy is. I'd give him a pass if he wasn't involved in Canadian politics.
The commies completely own Canada at this point. It's possible that Tory does know more, but he's scared he'll get the Jordan Peterson treatment.
Quote from: taxed on February 21, 2023, 10:23:42 AMIt is unbelievable how clueless this guy is. I'd give him a pass if he wasn't involved in Canadian politics.
The commies completely own Canada at this point. It's possible that Tory does know more, but he's scared he'll get the Jordan Peterson treatment.
Or he is just a mouth piece for the left. He's Zen's kissing cousin, they are not here to debate, they are here to scream "you're wrong, there is no proof, I don't believe it........
Quote from: taxed on February 21, 2023, 10:23:42 AMIt is unbelievable how clueless this guy is. I'd give him a pass if he wasn't involved in Canadian politics.
The commies completely own Canada at this point. It's possible that Tory does know more, but he's scared he'll get the Jordan Peterson treatment.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I agree, I excuse a lot of his ignorance on the fact that he doesn't even live here.
But when he does so called "research", it's always leftist news sites.
He wants to remain stupid, it's probably safer that way, considering he does currently reside in a fascist state.
https://rumble.com/embed/v27se92/?pub=4
Putin Calls Out the West for Normalizing Pedophilia, Sexual Perversion, Destroying the Family Unit
And now we know why the left sees Putin as the enemy. They said the same about Trump.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 20, 2023, 09:39:45 AMWhat have Presidents Obama and Biden have to do with President Putin's invasion of a sovereign country?
Go back and read about the holodomor.
(I'm sorry, but I don't click on links. I have no confidence in the veracity of the Epoch Times. )
We disagree on what constitutes a reliable reference.
Thats not something you can agree or disagree on, its based on objective facts, like history.
A sources credibility is determined by their reputation which is determined by their history of lying or telling the truth.
To claim epoch times is not credible you would have to show us a time or two where they lied....
Quote from: Possum on February 21, 2023, 10:38:56 AMOr he is just a mouth piece for the left. He's Zen's kissing cousin, they are not here to debate, they are here to scream "you're wrong, there is no proof, I don't believe it........
...there's not a enough Kool-Aid in the world for those two...
Quote from: Solar on February 21, 2023, 12:44:58 PM:lol: :lol: :lol:
I agree, I excuse a lot of his ignorance on the fact that he doesn't even live here.
But when he does so called "research", it's always leftist news sites.
He wants to remain stupid, it's probably safer that way, considering he does currently reside in a fascist state.
He's going to be like one of those old commies from the USSR days who made it to old age without being tossed in the gulag because he played dumb and ratted out the neighbors...
Quote from: taxed on February 21, 2023, 07:00:52 PMHe's going to be like one of those old commies from the USSR days who made it to old age without being tossed in the gulag because he played dumb and ratted out the neighbors...
Bernie Sanders is his hero.
Quote from: Solar on February 21, 2023, 07:09:00 PMBernie Sanders is his hero.
Sir John A. MacDonald is my hero.
Quote from: T Hunt on February 21, 2023, 05:12:16 PMThats not something you can agree or disagree on, its based on objective facts, like history.
A sources credibility is determined by their reputation which is determined by their history of lying or telling the truth.
To claim epoch times is not credible you would have to show us a time or two where they lied....
It is their partisanship that detracts from their credibility. Like CNN or Fox, they seem to put ideology ahead of objectivity.
What I don't understand is if the left is so terrible, why do some of its critics support a bolshevik like President Putin. He governs in the same way as Khrushchev and Brezhnev.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 23, 2023, 01:08:44 PMSir John A. MacDonald is my hero.
It is their partisanship that detracts from their credibility. Like CNN or Fox, they seem to put ideology ahead of objectivity.
What I don't understand is if the left is so terrible, why do some of its critics support a bolshevik like President Putin. He governs in the same way as Khrushchev and Brezhnev.
How so?
Quote from: taxed on February 23, 2023, 01:21:04 PMHow so?
Bad things are beginning to happen to people who critisize President Putin. Boris Nemtsov was shot to death while crossing a bridge in Moscow in 2015. Alexei Navalny is in prison after being poisoned with novichok. Thousands of anti-war protestors have been imprisoned and independent journalists are being silenced. Almost all independent news outlets have been forced to close for being critical of the President.
Now, I will be the first to say Navalny is probably no beacon of American style freedom, but from my own point of view,President Putin has systematically worked to rebuild the Soviet Union. If you support the freedom the American constitution gives to you, President Putin is not on your side.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 23, 2023, 04:02:57 PMBad things are beginning to happen to people who critisize President Putin. Boris Nemtsov was shot to death while crossing a bridge in Moscow in 2015. Alexei Navalny is in prison after being poisoned with novichok. Thousands of anti-war protestors have been imprisoned and independent journalists are being silenced. Almost all independent news outlets have been forced to close for being critical of the President.
Now, I will be the first to say Navalny is probably no beacon of American style freedom, but from my own point of view,President Putin has systematically worked to rebuild the Soviet Union. If you support the freedom the American constitution gives to you, President Putin is not on your side.
Have you taken the time to watch Ukraine on Fire and Revealing Ukraine?
Quote from: esbad63 on February 23, 2023, 04:57:31 PMHave you taken the time to watch Ukraine on Fire and Revealing Ukraine?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's like pouring holy Water on a demon. He will do everything he can to avoid the Truth!
Quote from: esbad63 on February 23, 2023, 04:57:31 PMHave you taken the time to watch Ukraine on Fire and Revealing Ukraine?
Both films are the work of Oliver Stone, the scammer who brought us the spurious "JFK." If I want to read historical fiction, I'll read Bernard Cornwell, Pierre Burton or Michael Jecks. The film premiered in 2016, so how does it conclude President Zelenskyy was installed by a coup three years in the future?
You still have not addressed how President Putin has any right to invade a small independent neighbour after Russia guaranteed the Ukraine's sovereignty. You have not explained how President Obama had any influence on the election of President Zelenskyy. In post #11, I said,
"Coups generally involve violence, but President Zelenskyy's election was peaceful and without controversy. He defeated President Porochenko and Porochenko conceeded defeat amicably. Nobody in the Ukraine disputed the results. President Trump called President Zelenskyy to congratulate him on his win. Ref: TASS cited below.
https://tass.com/world/1054861
https://www.wionews.com/world/ukraine-election-poroshenko-concedes-defeat-congratulates-zelensky-212435
"Ukraine's outgoing leader Petro Poroshenko conceded defeat in Sunday's presidential election and congratulated comedian Volodymyr Zelensky on his landslide victory.
Poroshenko said the results were "clear" and a reason to "call my opponent and congratulate him", after exit polls showed the performer taking 73 per cent of the vote." Wion News Agency."
If TASS and President Trump say the election of President Zelenskyy was free and fair, what is your source to say he was installed in a coup, somehow engineered by (former) President Obama?
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 23, 2023, 01:08:44 PMSir John A. MacDonald is my hero.
It is their partisanship that detracts from their credibility. Like CNN or Fox, they seem to put ideology ahead of objectivity.
But see, that is another claim that will require some evidence or examples to back up. In what way have they put ideology ahead of objectivity the way the Associated Press and the MSM have?
QuoteWhat I don't understand is if the left is so terrible, why do some of its critics support a bolshevik like President Putin. He governs in the same way as Khrushchev and Brezhnev.
Because the cold war is over. And because zelisky is ruling far more like a dictator than putin is. Besides, being against ukraine isnt being pro putin.
I mean, how leftist can putin be if he is standing up to the NWO?
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 24, 2023, 07:00:36 AMBoth films are the work of Oliver Stone, the scammer who brought us the spurious "JFK." If I want to read historical fiction, I'll read Bernard Cornwell, Pierre Burton or Michael Jecks. The film premiered in 2016, so how does it conclude President Zelenskyy was installed by a coup three years in the future?
You still have not addressed how President Putin has any right to invade a small independent neighbour after Russia guaranteed the Ukraine's sovereignty. You have not explained how President Obama had any influence on the election of President Zelenskyy. In post #11, I said,
"Coups generally involve violence, but President Zelenskyy's election was peaceful and without controversy. He defeated President Porochenko and Porochenko conceeded defeat amicably. Nobody in the Ukraine disputed the results. President Trump called President Zelenskyy to congratulate him on his win. Ref: TASS cited below.
https://tass.com/world/1054861
https://www.wionews.com/world/ukraine-election-poroshenko-concedes-defeat-congratulates-zelensky-212435
"Ukraine's outgoing leader Petro Poroshenko conceded defeat in Sunday's presidential election and congratulated comedian Volodymyr Zelensky on his landslide victory.
Poroshenko said the results were "clear" and a reason to "call my opponent and congratulate him", after exit polls showed the performer taking 73 per cent of the vote." Wion News Agency."
If TASS and President Trump say the election of President Zelenskyy was free and fair, what is your source to say he was installed in a coup, somehow engineered by (former) President Obama?
If that's the bull shit you believe, then watch it and get back to us and tell us all the lies you found.
We'll be waiting.
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2023, 07:50:38 AMIf that's the bull shit you believe, then watch it and get back to us and tell us all the lies you found.
We'll be waiting.
I have not been able to find a copy of either film in either the public or university libraries, so I am relying on reviews from the internet, which is problematic in itself.
It is more the omissions than lies. The author has cherry-picked the history leading up to the Maidan revolution.The facts he mentioned are part of the hisorical record but he did not mention the holodomor or its lasting impact on Ukrainians' attitude towards Russia. When President Yanukovich decided to turn to Russia, the people of the Ukraine rose up against him. How ever, that had nothing to do with President Zelenskyy. President Yanukovich fled the country and a new President (Turchynov) took over. He was defeated by President Porochenko in a free and fair election, and then at the end of that term, President Zelenskyy defeated Porochenko in what everyone, including TASS, Porochenko and President Trump (cited above in posts # 11 and 39), proclaimed was a free and fair election. I cited TASS because it is not part of what you refer to as the MSM.
It does not excuse President Putin's unprovoked attack. The Ukraine is no more a threat to Russia than Canada is to the US. If Ukraine decides to establish trade and defence treaties with other nations, that is none of Russia's business. If the Ukrainian people decided to elect MacKenzie King's ghost as president, that is none of Russia's business. Russia and the US guaranteed the Ukraine's independence with borders agreed to by all three parties. Russia betrayed their pledge while the United States is fulfilling their pledge. I am familiar with the allegations against Hunter Biden. They were detailed in Woodward and Costa's book
Peril. How the Ukrainians conduct their affairs with Americans is no business of Russia's. Just as the corruption of President Putin is none of Zelenskyy's business.
The film says the CIA were active in the Maidan revolution.You can be certain the GRU was also active as well.
The skinny on this issue comes down to the President of Russia's decision to attack the Ukraine without provocation, has resulted, so far, in the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians. What possible reason could justify such a tragic adventure?
FUCK UKRAINE
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 24, 2023, 01:08:43 PMI have not been able to find a copy of either film in either the public or university libraries, so I am relying on reviews from the internet, which is problematic in itself.
It is more the omissions than lies. The author has cherry-picked the history leading up to the Maidan revolution.The facts he mentioned are part of the hisorical record but he did not mention the holodomor or its lasting impact on Ukrainians' attitude towards Russia. When President Yanukovich decided to turn to Russia, the people of the Ukraine rose up against him. How ever, that had nothing to do with President Zelenskyy. President Yanukovich fled the country and a new President (Turchynov) took over. He was defeated by President Porochenko in a free and fair election, and then at the end of that term, President Zelenskyy defeated Porochenko in what everyone, including TASS, Porochenko and President Trump (cited above in posts # 11 and 39), proclaimed was a free and fair election. I cited TASS because it is not part of what you refer to as the MSM.
It does not excuse President Putin's unprovoked attack. The Ukraine is no more a threat to Russia than Canada is to the US. If Ukraine decides to establish trade and defence treaties with other nations, that is none of Russia's business. If the Ukrainian people decided to elect MacKenzie King's ghost as president, that is none of Russia's business. Russia and the US guaranteed the Ukraine's independence with borders agreed to by all three parties. Russia betrayed their pledge while the United States is fulfilling their pledge. I am familiar with the allegations against Hunter Biden. They were detailed in Woodward and Costa's book Peril. How the Ukrainians conduct their affairs with Americans is no business of Russia's. Just as the corruption of President Putin is none of Zelenskyy's business.
The film says the CIA were active in the Maidan revolution.You can be certain the GRU was also active as well.
The skinny on this issue comes down to the President of Russia's decision to attack the Ukraine without provocation, has resulted, so far, in the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians. What possible reason could justify such a tragic adventure?
Took me all of 2 seconds to pull it up. Watch it Right here. Enjoy...
https://rumble.com/embed/vubrga/?pub=4
Quote from: Mimsy on February 24, 2023, 01:23:42 PMFUCK UKRAINE
Not quite the level of discourse I would have expected on this forum.
Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2023, 02:42:13 PMTook me all of 2 seconds to pull it up. Watch it Right here. Enjoy...
https://rumble.com/embed/vubrga/?pub=4
Thanks. I was looking for the DVD. I'll have a look.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 24, 2023, 03:17:37 PMThanks. I was looking for the DVD. I'll have a look.
I still haven't had the time to watch it yet, but in the meantime, lets have a look at what a President said some time ago.
Two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was civis romanus sum ["I am a Roman citizen"]. Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner!"... All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
President John F. Kennedy, June 26, 1963 West Berlin, German Federal Republic.
We can modernize that with the addition
All free people, whereever they may live are citizens of Kiev, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, "Ice bin ein Ukrainian."
Or, we can say the Ukraine is just exercizing its Second Amendment rights, granted by the creator.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 06:33:10 AMI still haven't had the time to watch it yet, but in the meantime, lets have a look at what a President said some time ago.
Two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was civis romanus sum ["I am a Roman citizen"]. Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner!"... All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
President John F. Kennedy, June 26, 1963 West Berlin, German Federal Republic.
We can modernize that with the addition
All free people, whereever they may live are citizens of Kiev, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, "Ice bin ein Ukrainian."
Or, we can say the Ukraine is just exercizing its Second Amendment rights, granted by the creator.
And how many billions is YOUR country sending to this corrupt government?
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 06:33:10 AMI still haven't had the time to watch it yet, but in the meantime, lets have a look at what a President said some time ago.
Two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was civis romanus sum ["I am a Roman citizen"]. Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner!"... All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
President John F. Kennedy, June 26, 1963 West Berlin, German Federal Republic.
We can modernize that with the addition
All free people, whereever they may live are citizens of Kiev, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, "Ice bin ein Ukrainian."
Or, we can say the Ukraine is just exercizing its Second Amendment rights, granted by the creator.
Your perspective is that of only what your media spun.
In Donbass schooling was only taught in Russian, because that's the way it's been since WWII, good or bad, Donbass is predominately Russians.
In recent times after Obozo fucked up their elections, seeing to it the TV start became president, he's been attacking the Russians there.
Putin had been warning them to stop or there could be consequences, but the shelling kept up, Zelenskyy sent in the Nazi as a torture and threat apparatus to drive out Russian families, and they're still doing it!
Then NATO did the unthinkable, they broke the Treaty of non NATO aggression.
Putin said fine, I'm sending troops to protect our citizens. Zelenskyy attacked these troops, none of which retaliated till much later.
And here we are today. We, the West, NATO all of us, we are the aggressors, we are pushing Russia to react.
Putin had agreed to a cease fire, but Brandon said no way. The agreement stated, Russia will pull back as long as NATO does the same.
There you have it in a nutshell, we almost had peace, but Mr. Dementia was told to say NO!
Quote from: Possum on February 25, 2023, 06:53:20 AMAnd how many billions is YOUR country sending to this corrupt government?
Over 1 Billion dollars, plus Leopard II tanks, 200 AFV's including Senator armoured vehicles, ammunition and spare parts, plus training Ukrainian soldiers on armoured and infantry tactics, combat medical training, civilian winter gear, civilian medical aid, and food. Like the UK, and the US, the flow of aid continues to accelerate.
Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2023, 07:44:44 AMYour perspective is that of only what your media spun.
In Donbass schooling was only taught in Russian, because that's the way it's been since WWII, good or bad, Donbass is predominately Russians.
Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.
Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2023, 07:44:44 AMIn recent times after Obozo fucked up their elections, seeing to it the TV start became president, he's been attacking the Russians there.
President Obama left office several years before President Zelenskyy was elected. If private citizen Obama could pull that off, without leaving a trace, fooling, not only Zelenskyy's opponent who declared the election free and fair, but President Trump, who had no love for citizen Obama, yet declared, as I previously cited, in TASS, that President Zelenskyy's election was beyond dispute, then President Obama must be an incredible man. And, what does that say about President Trump? I do not believe President Trump could be fooled like that. Either the story that Obama installed Zelenskyy is a fake, or President Trump was collaborating with the operation.
Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2023, 07:44:44 AMPutin had been warning them to stop or there could be consequences, but the shelling kept up, Zelenskyy sent in the Nazi as a torture and threat apparatus to drive out Russian families, and they're still doing it!
Then NATO did the unthinkable, they broke the Treaty of non NATO aggression.
Putin said fine, I'm sending troops to protect our citizens. Zelenskyy attacked these troops, none of which retaliated till much later.
And here we are today. We, the West, NATO all of us, we are the aggressors, we are pushing Russia to react.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
"When Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act, it also pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".
I am unaware of any NATO incursion on Russian territory. President Putin sent troops into the Donbas and Crimea. Those regions are and have been, recognized by Russia as Ukrainian territory since 1991.
NATO is made up of nations who asked to be part of the organization. The former Warsaw Pact members who joined NATO had to apply and every member of NATO had to ratify the application of a new member. No nation has ever been coersed into joining NATO. The former Warsaw Pact members have experienced what living under the Russian jack-boot and asked to join NATO to deter a repeat of that tragedy. NATO is a defencive organization created and maintained to deter Russia. It has never been a threat to Russia.
Of course nothing written by me or any of you really matters. Nobody cares what we say. Nobody reads what we write (at least some of you better hope not :scared: :laugh: ). The governments of Scholz, Store, Macron, Trudeau, Sunak, Moraliecki, etc. will do what they have to do to maintain the Ukraine's freedom as well as ours, without our puny input.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AMOver 1 Billion dollars, plus Leopard II tanks, 200 AFV's including Senator armoured vehicles, ammunition and spare parts, plus training Ukrainian soldiers on armoured and infantry tactics, combat medical training, civilian winter gear, civilian medical aid, and food. Like the UK, and the US, the flow of aid continues to accelerate. Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.President Obama left office several years before President Zelenskyy was elected. If private citizen Obama could pull that off, without leaving a trace, fooling, not only Zelenskyy's opponent who declared the election free and fair, but President Trump, who had no love for citizen Obama, yet declared, as I previously cited, in TASS, that President Zelenskyy's election was beyond dispute, then President Obama must be an incredible man. And, what does that say about President Trump? I do not believe President Trump could be fooled like that. Either the story that Obama installed Zelenskyy is a fake, or President Trump was collaborating with the operation.https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
"When Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act, it also pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".
I am unaware of any NATO incursion on Russian territory. President Putin sent troops into the Donbas and Crimea. Those regions are and have been, recognized by Russia as Ukrainian territory since 1991.
NATO is made up of nations who asked to be part of the organization. The former Warsaw Pact members who joined NATO had to apply and every member of NATO had to ratify the application of a new member. No nation has ever been coersed into joining NATO. The former Warsaw Pact members have experienced what living under the Russian jack-boot and asked to join NATO to deter a repeat of that tragedy. NATO is a defencive organization created and maintained to deter Russia. It has never been a threat to Russia.
Of course nothing written by me or any of you really matters. Nobody cares what we say. Nobody reads what we write (at least some of you better hope not :scared: :laugh: ). The governments of Scholz, Store, Macron, Trudeau, Sunak, Moraliecki, etc. will do what they have to do to maintain the Ukraine's freedom as well as ours, without our puny input.
You know the rules!
Only one person to a quote!
Now if you'd like to address me specifically, I'll be glad to expose your ignorance!
Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.
According to leftist logic how can that be? Since "The Mexican's" (actually the Spanish) took Texas, Arizona, New Mexico & California from the various Native American tribes, who took it from other lesser Native American tribes ad infinitum. So shouldn't leftist support kicking out all those descended from Spanish "Mexicans"...but then again how could they since most Mexican's at the time were Mestizos "Spanish & mixed with various native American tribes"?
Mexico recognized the independence of the Republic of Texas after the DICTATOR Santa Ana De Lopez was defeated by a force of Anglos AND MEXICANs Under Sam Huston and signed the Land away under threat of death for what today would be considered war crimes, killing Mexicans, Americans & Native Americans
Thats what you leftists get when you open that can of worms.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AMTexas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Your knowledge of Texas history is as bad as the rest of your knowledge. The Mexican government agreed to allow S.F. Austin to bring in settlers because of how few Mexicans were living here, many of those who were here were Spanish decent. The Americans were to be a buffer between the Kiowas and Comanches, who were raiding far into Mexico.
The treaty Santa Anna signed answered the question of who Texas "belonged" to.
Quote from: Possum on February 25, 2023, 12:24:12 PMYour knowledge of Texas history is as bad as the rest of your knowledge. The Mexican government agreed to allow S.F. Austin to bring in settlers because of how few Mexicans were living here, many of those who were here were Spanish decent. The Americans were to be a buffer between the Kiowas and Comanches, who were raiding far into Mexico.
The treaty Santa Anna signed answered the question of who Texas "belonged" to.
He's a clueless twit! :bigl :bigl :bigl
I love the history of the Americas, and Mexico's is colorful as all get out!
And most of it's turbulent history took place only just recently.
1810 - The Mexican War of Independence begins led by Catholic priest Miguel Hidalgo.
1811 - Miguel Hidalgo is executed by the Spanish.
1821 - The War of Independence ends and Mexico declares its independence on September 27th.
1822 - Agustin de Iturbide is declared the first Emperor of Mexico.
1824 - Guadalupe Victoria takes office as the first President of Mexico. Mexico becomes a republic.
1833 - Santa Anna becomes president for the first time.
1835 - The Texas Revolution begins.
1836 - The Mexican army led by Santa Anna is defeated by the Texans led by Sam Houston at the Battle of San Jacinto. Texas declares its independence from Mexico as the Republic of Texas.
1846 - The Mexican-American War begins.
1847 - The United States Army occupies Mexico City.
1848 - The Mexican-American War ends with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. The U.S. gains territory including California, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Nevada.1853 - Mexico sells portions of New Mexico and Arizona to the United States as part of the Gasden Purchase.
1857 - Santa Anna is exiled from Mexico.1861 - The French invade Mexico and install Maximilian of Austria as president in 1864.
1867 - Benito Jaurez expels the French and becomes president.
1910 - The Mexican Revolution begins led by Emiliano Zapata.
1911 - President Porfirio Diaz, who ruled as dictator for 35 years, is overthrown and replaced with revolutionary Francisco Madero.
1917 - The Mexican Constitution is adopted.
1923 - Revolutionary hero and military leader Poncho Villa is assassinated.
1929 - The National Mexican Party is formed. It will later be named the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). The PRI will rule the Mexican government until the year 2000.
https://www.ducksters.com/geography/country/mexico_history_timeline.php
Quote from: Possum on February 25, 2023, 12:24:12 PMYour knowledge of Texas history is as bad as the rest of your knowledge. The Mexican government agreed to allow S.F. Austin to bring in settlers because of how few Mexicans were living here, many of those who were here were Spanish decent. The Americans were to be a buffer between the Kiowas and Comanches, who were raiding far into Mexico.
The treaty Santa Anna signed answered the question of who Texas "belonged" to.
Imagine if we had just taken all of mexico during the mexican american war? Their lives would be SO much better right now and not full of the rampant corruption that has plagued it since its creation.
Quote from: T Hunt on February 26, 2023, 08:40:59 AMImagine if we had just taken all of mexico during the mexican american war? Their lives would be SO much better right now and not full of the rampant corruption that has plagued it since its creation.
:biggrin:
You just described the US.
But you're right, we wouldn't have the drug problems we have today.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AMOver 1 Billion dollars, plus Leopard II tanks, 200 AFV's including Senator armoured vehicles, ammunition and spare parts, plus training Ukrainian soldiers on armoured and infantry tactics, combat medical training, civilian winter gear, civilian medical aid, and food. Like the UK, and the US, the flow of aid continues to accelerate. Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.President Obama left office several years before President Zelenskyy was elected. If private citizen Obama could pull that off, without leaving a trace, fooling, not only Zelenskyy's opponent who declared the election free and fair, but President Trump, who had no love for citizen Obama, yet declared, as I previously cited, in TASS, that President Zelenskyy's election was beyond dispute, then President Obama must be an incredible man. And, what does that say about President Trump? I do not believe President Trump could be fooled like that. Either the story that Obama installed Zelenskyy is a fake, or President Trump was collaborating with the operation.https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
"When Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act, it also pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".
I am unaware of any NATO incursion on Russian territory. President Putin sent troops into the Donbas and Crimea. Those regions are and have been, recognized by Russia as Ukrainian territory since 1991.
NATO is made up of nations who asked to be part of the organization. The former Warsaw Pact members who joined NATO had to apply and every member of NATO had to ratify the application of a new member. No nation has ever been coersed into joining NATO. The former Warsaw Pact members have experienced what living under the Russian jack-boot and asked to join NATO to deter a repeat of that tragedy. NATO is a defencive organization created and maintained to deter Russia. It has never been a threat to Russia.
Of course nothing written by me or any of you really matters. Nobody cares what we say. Nobody reads what we write (at least some of you better hope not :scared: :laugh: ). The governments of Scholz, Store, Macron, Trudeau, Sunak, Moraliecki, etc. will do what they have to do to maintain the Ukraine's freedom as well as ours, without our puny input.
I imagine the total amount of time to separate all of these quotes and organize this post on your computer, you would have had enough time to watch either Ukraine on Fire or Revealing Ukraine. Wouldn't it be more productive to spend that time watching the films first? Or is that something you are instructed not to do?
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2023, 09:33:00 AM:biggrin:
You just described the US.
But you're right, we wouldn't have the drug problems we have today.
:lol: Your right, I guess I meant how it seems that they havent had a stable govt in their entire history and move from one tyrant to the next, never tasting true freedom.
Quote from: T Hunt on February 26, 2023, 11:03:37 AM:lol: Your right, I guess I meant how it seems that they havent had a stable govt in their entire history and move from one tyrant to the next, never tasting true freedom.
:thumbup: :biggrin:
I agree. I just saw the irony in the comment. Something I wouldn't have spotted a few years back.
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 23, 2023, 04:02:57 PMBad things are beginning to happen to people who critisize President Putin. Boris Nemtsov was shot to death while crossing a bridge in Moscow in 2015. Alexei Navalny is in prison after being poisoned with novichok. Thousands of anti-war protestors have been imprisoned and independent journalists are being silenced. Almost all independent news outlets have been forced to close for being critical of the President.
Now, I will be the first to say Navalny is probably no beacon of American style freedom, but from my own point of view,President Putin has systematically worked to rebuild the Soviet Union. If you support the freedom the American constitution gives to you, President Putin is not on your side.
I'll let Jordan Peterson know...
Quote from: taxed on March 01, 2023, 11:29:09 AMI'll let Jordan Peterson know...
Don't forget the Clinton body count. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Tory Potter on February 23, 2023, 04:02:57 PMBad things are beginning to happen to people who critisize President Putin. Boris Nemtsov was shot to death while crossing a bridge in Moscow in 2015. Alexei Navalny is in prison after being poisoned with novichok. Thousands of anti-war protestors have been imprisoned and independent journalists are being silenced. Almost all independent news outlets have been forced to close for being critical of the President.
Now, I will be the first to say Navalny is probably no beacon of American style freedom, but from my own point of view,President Putin has systematically worked to rebuild the Soviet Union. If you support the freedom the American constitution gives to you, President Putin is not on your side.
Yet you mental midgets claim the Clintons are victims of coincidence of over 50 suicides of their closest friends. :rolleyes: