Quote from: Mimsy on February 24, 2023, 01:23:42 PMFUCK UKRAINE

Not quite the level of discourse I would have expected on this forum.

Quote from: Solar on February 24, 2023, 02:42:13 PMTook me all of 2 seconds to pull it up. Watch it Right here. Enjoy...

https://rumble.com/embed/vubrga/?pub=4

Thanks. I was looking for the DVD. I'll have a look.

Quote from: Tory Potter on February 24, 2023, 03:17:37 PMThanks. I was looking for the DVD. I'll have a look.

I still haven't had the time to watch it yet, but in the meantime, lets have a look at what a President said some time ago.

Two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was civis romanus sum ["I am a Roman citizen"]. Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner!"... All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
President John F. Kennedy, June 26, 1963 West Berlin, German Federal Republic.

We can modernize that with the addition
All free people, whereever they may live are citizens of Kiev, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, "Ice bin ein Ukrainian."

Or, we can say the Ukraine is just exercizing its Second Amendment rights, granted by the creator.

Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 06:33:10 AMI still haven't had the time to watch it yet, but in the meantime, lets have a look at what a President said some time ago.

Two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was civis romanus sum ["I am a Roman citizen"]. Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner!"... All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
President John F. Kennedy, June 26, 1963 West Berlin, German Federal Republic.

We can modernize that with the addition
All free people, whereever they may live are citizens of Kiev, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, "Ice bin ein Ukrainian."

Or, we can say the Ukraine is just exercizing its Second Amendment rights, granted by the creator.

And how many billions is YOUR country sending to this corrupt government?

Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 06:33:10 AMI still haven't had the time to watch it yet, but in the meantime, lets have a look at what a President said some time ago.

Two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was civis romanus sum ["I am a Roman citizen"]. Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner!"... All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner!"
President John F. Kennedy, June 26, 1963 West Berlin, German Federal Republic.

We can modernize that with the addition
All free people, whereever they may live are citizens of Kiev, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words, "Ice bin ein Ukrainian."

Or, we can say the Ukraine is just exercizing its Second Amendment rights, granted by the creator.

Your perspective is that of only what your media spun.
In Donbass schooling was only taught in Russian, because that's the way it's been since WWII, good or bad, Donbass is predominately Russians.

In recent times after Obozo fucked up their elections, seeing to it the TV start became president, he's been attacking the Russians there.
Putin had been warning them to stop or there could be consequences, but the shelling kept up, Zelenskyy sent in the Nazi as a torture and threat apparatus to drive out Russian families, and they're still doing it!

Then NATO did the unthinkable, they broke the Treaty of non NATO aggression.
Putin said fine, I'm sending troops to protect our citizens. Zelenskyy attacked these troops, none of which retaliated till much later.

And here we are today. We, the West, NATO all of us, we are the aggressors, we are pushing Russia to react.
Putin had agreed to a cease fire, but Brandon said no way. The agreement stated, Russia will pull back as long as NATO does the same.

There you have it in a nutshell, we almost had peace, but Mr. Dementia was told to say NO!

Quote from: Possum on February 25, 2023, 06:53:20 AMAnd how many billions is YOUR country sending to this corrupt government?

Over 1 Billion dollars, plus Leopard II tanks, 200 AFV's including Senator armoured vehicles, ammunition and spare parts, plus training Ukrainian soldiers on armoured and infantry tactics, combat medical training, civilian winter gear, civilian medical aid, and food. Like the UK, and the US, the flow of aid continues to accelerate.

Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2023, 07:44:44 AMYour perspective is that of only what your media spun.
In Donbass schooling was only taught in Russian, because that's the way it's been since WWII, good or bad, Donbass is predominately Russians.

Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.

Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2023, 07:44:44 AMIn recent times after Obozo fucked up their elections, seeing to it the TV start became president, he's been attacking the Russians there.

President Obama left office several years before President Zelenskyy was elected. If private citizen Obama could pull that off, without leaving a trace, fooling, not only Zelenskyy's opponent who declared the election free and fair, but President Trump, who had no love for citizen Obama, yet declared, as I previously cited, in TASS, that President Zelenskyy's election was beyond dispute, then President Obama must be an incredible man. And, what does that say about President Trump? I do not believe President Trump could be fooled like that. Either the story that Obama installed Zelenskyy is a fake, or President Trump was collaborating with the operation.

Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2023, 07:44:44 AMPutin had been warning them to stop or there could be consequences, but the shelling kept up, Zelenskyy sent in the Nazi as a torture and threat apparatus to drive out Russian families, and they're still doing it!

Then NATO did the unthinkable, they broke the Treaty of non NATO aggression.
Putin said fine, I'm sending troops to protect our citizens. Zelenskyy attacked these troops, none of which retaliated till much later.
And here we are today. We, the West, NATO all of us, we are the aggressors, we are pushing Russia to react.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
"When Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act, it also pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".
I am unaware of any NATO incursion on Russian territory. President Putin sent troops into the Donbas and Crimea. Those regions are and have been, recognized by Russia as Ukrainian territory since 1991.
NATO is made up of nations who asked to be part of the organization. The former Warsaw Pact members who joined NATO had to apply and every member of NATO had to ratify the application of a new member. No nation has ever been coersed into joining NATO. The former Warsaw Pact members have experienced what living under the Russian jack-boot and asked to join NATO to deter a repeat of that tragedy. NATO is a defencive organization created and maintained to deter Russia. It has never been a threat to Russia.
Of course nothing written by me or any of you really matters. Nobody cares what we say. Nobody reads what we write (at least some of you better hope not    ). The governments of Scholz, Store, Macron, Trudeau, Sunak, Moraliecki, etc. will do what they have to do to maintain the Ukraine's freedom as well as ours, without our puny input.

Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AMOver 1 Billion dollars, plus Leopard II tanks, 200 AFV's including Senator armoured vehicles, ammunition and spare parts, plus training Ukrainian soldiers on armoured and infantry tactics, combat medical training, civilian winter gear, civilian medical aid, and food. Like the UK, and the US, the flow of aid continues to accelerate. Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.President Obama left office several years before President Zelenskyy was elected. If private citizen Obama could pull that off, without leaving a trace, fooling, not only Zelenskyy's opponent who declared the election free and fair, but President Trump, who had no love for citizen Obama, yet declared, as I previously cited, in TASS, that President Zelenskyy's election was beyond dispute, then President Obama must be an incredible man. And, what does that say about President Trump? I do not believe President Trump could be fooled like that. Either the story that Obama installed Zelenskyy is a fake, or President Trump was collaborating with the operation.https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
"When Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act, it also pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".
I am unaware of any NATO incursion on Russian territory. President Putin sent troops into the Donbas and Crimea. Those regions are and have been, recognized by Russia as Ukrainian territory since 1991.
NATO is made up of nations who asked to be part of the organization. The former Warsaw Pact members who joined NATO had to apply and every member of NATO had to ratify the application of a new member. No nation has ever been coersed into joining NATO. The former Warsaw Pact members have experienced what living under the Russian jack-boot and asked to join NATO to deter a repeat of that tragedy. NATO is a defencive organization created and maintained to deter Russia. It has never been a threat to Russia.
Of course nothing written by me or any of you really matters. Nobody cares what we say. Nobody reads what we write (at least some of you better hope not    ). The governments of Scholz, Store, Macron, Trudeau, Sunak, Moraliecki, etc. will do what they have to do to maintain the Ukraine's freedom as well as ours, without our puny input.

You know the rules!
Only one person to a quote!

Now if you'd like to address me specifically, I'll be glad to expose your ignorance!

Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.

According to leftist logic how can that be? Since "The Mexican's" (actually the Spanish) took Texas, Arizona, New Mexico & California from the various Native American tribes, who took it from other lesser Native American tribes ad infinitum. So shouldn't leftist support kicking out all those descended from Spanish "Mexicans"...but then again how could they since most Mexican's at the time were Mestizos "Spanish & mixed with various native American tribes"?

Mexico recognized the independence of the Republic of Texas after the DICTATOR Santa Ana De Lopez was defeated by a force of Anglos AND MEXICANs Under Sam Huston and signed the Land away under threat of death for what today would be considered war crimes, killing Mexicans, Americans & Native Americans

Thats what you leftists get when you open that can of worms.

Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AMTexas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.

Your knowledge of Texas history is as bad as the rest of your knowledge. The Mexican government agreed to allow S.F. Austin to bring in settlers because of how few Mexicans were living here, many of those who were here were Spanish decent. The Americans were to be a buffer between the Kiowas and Comanches, who were raiding far into Mexico.
The treaty Santa Anna signed answered the question of who Texas "belonged" to. 

Quote from: Possum on February 25, 2023, 12:24:12 PMYour knowledge of Texas history is as bad as the rest of your knowledge. The Mexican government agreed to allow S.F. Austin to bring in settlers because of how few Mexicans were living here, many of those who were here were Spanish decent. The Americans were to be a buffer between the Kiowas and Comanches, who were raiding far into Mexico.
The treaty Santa Anna signed answered the question of who Texas "belonged" to. 

He's a clueless twit!    

I love the history of the Americas, and Mexico's is colorful as all get out!
And most of it's turbulent history took place only just recently.

1810 - The Mexican War of Independence begins led by Catholic priest Miguel Hidalgo.

1811 - Miguel Hidalgo is executed by the Spanish.

1821 - The War of Independence ends and Mexico declares its independence on September 27th.

1822 - Agustin de Iturbide is declared the first Emperor of Mexico.

1824 - Guadalupe Victoria takes office as the first President of Mexico. Mexico becomes a republic.

1833 - Santa Anna becomes president for the first time.

1835 - The Texas Revolution begins.

1836 - The Mexican army led by Santa Anna is defeated by the Texans led by Sam Houston at the Battle of San Jacinto. Texas declares its independence from Mexico as the Republic of Texas.

1846 - The Mexican-American War begins.

1847 - The United States Army occupies Mexico City.

1848 - The Mexican-American War ends with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. The U.S. gains territory including California, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Nevada.

1853 - Mexico sells portions of New Mexico and Arizona to the United States as part of the Gasden Purchase.

1857 - Santa Anna is exiled from Mexico.

1861 - The French invade Mexico and install Maximilian of Austria as president in 1864.

1867 - Benito Jaurez expels the French and becomes president.

1910 - The Mexican Revolution begins led by Emiliano Zapata.

1911 - President Porfirio Diaz, who ruled as dictator for 35 years, is overthrown and replaced with revolutionary Francisco Madero.

1917 - The Mexican Constitution is adopted.

1923 - Revolutionary hero and military leader Poncho Villa is assassinated.

1929 - The National Mexican Party is formed. It will later be named the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). The PRI will rule the Mexican government until the year 2000.

https://www.ducksters.com/geography/country/mexico_history_timeline.php

Quote from: Possum on February 25, 2023, 12:24:12 PMYour knowledge of Texas history is as bad as the rest of your knowledge. The Mexican government agreed to allow S.F. Austin to bring in settlers because of how few Mexicans were living here, many of those who were here were Spanish decent. The Americans were to be a buffer between the Kiowas and Comanches, who were raiding far into Mexico.
The treaty Santa Anna signed answered the question of who Texas "belonged" to. 

Imagine if we had just taken all of mexico during the mexican american war? Their lives would be SO much better right now and not full of the rampant corruption that has plagued it since its creation.

Quote from: T Hunt on February 26, 2023, 08:40:59 AMImagine if we had just taken all of mexico during the mexican american war? Their lives would be SO much better right now and not full of the rampant corruption that has plagued it since its creation.

You just described the US.
But you're right, we wouldn't have the drug problems we have today.

Quote from: Tory Potter on February 25, 2023, 11:12:56 AMOver 1 Billion dollars, plus Leopard II tanks, 200 AFV's including Senator armoured vehicles, ammunition and spare parts, plus training Ukrainian soldiers on armoured and infantry tactics, combat medical training, civilian winter gear, civilian medical aid, and food. Like the UK, and the US, the flow of aid continues to accelerate. Texas has a large Mexican population and has been since before the Americans arrived. By your logic, Texas should belong to Mexico.
Along with the rest of the world, Russia recognized the borders of the Ukraine in 1991 after over 90% of Ukrainians voted for independence.President Obama left office several years before President Zelenskyy was elected. If private citizen Obama could pull that off, without leaving a trace, fooling, not only Zelenskyy's opponent who declared the election free and fair, but President Trump, who had no love for citizen Obama, yet declared, as I previously cited, in TASS, that President Zelenskyy's election was beyond dispute, then President Obama must be an incredible man. And, what does that say about President Trump? I do not believe President Trump could be fooled like that. Either the story that Obama installed Zelenskyy is a fake, or President Trump was collaborating with the operation.https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm
"When Russia signed the NATO-Russia Founding Act, it also pledged to uphold "respect for sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all states and their inherent right to choose the means to ensure their own security".
I am unaware of any NATO incursion on Russian territory. President Putin sent troops into the Donbas and Crimea. Those regions are and have been, recognized by Russia as Ukrainian territory since 1991.
NATO is made up of nations who asked to be part of the organization. The former Warsaw Pact members who joined NATO had to apply and every member of NATO had to ratify the application of a new member. No nation has ever been coersed into joining NATO. The former Warsaw Pact members have experienced what living under the Russian jack-boot and asked to join NATO to deter a repeat of that tragedy. NATO is a defencive organization created and maintained to deter Russia. It has never been a threat to Russia.
Of course nothing written by me or any of you really matters. Nobody cares what we say. Nobody reads what we write (at least some of you better hope not    ). The governments of Scholz, Store, Macron, Trudeau, Sunak, Moraliecki, etc. will do what they have to do to maintain the Ukraine's freedom as well as ours, without our puny input.

I imagine the total amount of time to separate all of these quotes and organize this post on your computer, you would have had enough time to watch either Ukraine on Fire or Revealing Ukraine. Wouldn't it be more productive to spend that time watching the films first? Or is that something you are instructed not to do?

Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2023, 09:33:00 AM
You just described the US.
But you're right, we wouldn't have the drug problems we have today.

Your right, I guess I meant how it seems that they havent had a stable govt in their entire history and move from one tyrant to the next, never tasting true freedom. 

Quote from: T Hunt on February 26, 2023, 11:03:37 AM Your right, I guess I meant how it seems that they havent had a stable govt in their entire history and move from one tyrant to the next, never tasting true freedom. 

 
I agree. I just saw the irony in the comment. Something I wouldn't have spotted a few years back.