Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
He isn't a hero. He is a criminal just like the rioters. He did nothing heroic. He is a stupid kid that made stupid decisions that will affect the rest of his life. He will have to live with the fact that he killed 2 people. Just because it was in self defense doesn't change the fact. I'm not saying he was wrong to defend himself. What I'm saying is he never should have been in the situation to begin with. Killing someone in real life is not the same as killing someone in a video game. There is no reset button. Why do you or anyone else say he's a hero? What did he do that was heroic? NOTHING! He's a criminal.

He came there to protect the city when the police and cities politicians failed to. Thats why he is a hero. He broke a law that shouldnt really be a law according to 2a as far as I understand it? Either way its a misdemeanor. Rioting should be a felony, so cant compare him to them anyway. He was trying to protect the city from the anarchy these rioting thugs created

Quote from: American Loving Norwegian on September 26, 2020, 11:48:48 AM
He came there to protect the city when the police and cities politicians failed to. Thats why he is a hero. He broke a law that shouldnt really be a law according to 2a as far as I understand it? Either way its a misdemeanor. Rioting should be a felony, so cant compare him to them anyway. He was trying to protect the city from the anarchy these rioting thugs created

He did nothing other than make the situation worse.  He's not a cop and had no business being there. He is a minor. He did nothing heroic. 2 people got killed by him. There can't be kids walking around carrying guns. Your 2a excuse doesn't work. He broke the law and that makes him a criminal too. Not a hero. He's a stupid child. He will have a legal battle when all is said and done. He will also have a legal battle to ever legally own a firearm ever again. Have you ever killed anyone? I bet not. He will have to live with the fact that he did. That will be on his conscience forever. If it isn't it's another problem. You also understand he didn't even live in Minnesota much less the community? Would you consider a person that was shoplifting to feed themselves a hero? I wouldn't.  I would say they are a criminal. Rittenhouse is a criminal.

Quote from: American Loving Norwegian on September 26, 2020, 11:48:48 AM
He came there to protect the city when the police and cities politicians failed to. Thats why he is a hero. He broke a law that shouldnt really be a law according to 2a as far as I understand it? Either way its a misdemeanor. Rioting should be a felony, so cant compare him to them anyway. He was trying to protect the city from the anarchy these rioting thugs created

He broke no laws.  He's COMPLETELY covered under Wisconsin law under 3(c) in that section.  KC is making up a lie because he got caught insulting a core member who knows his shit, so instead of backtracking, he's pretending the law says something other than it does.  He's not even guilty of a misdemeanor.

Sub-section 3 was added later in 2005 because of how convoluted the language was.  If it were not for 3(c), then Rittenhouse would indeed have a problem.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
He isn't a hero. He is a criminal just like the rioters. He did nothing heroic. He is a stupid kid that made stupid decisions that will affect the rest of his life. He will have to live with the fact that he killed 2 people. Just because it was in self defense doesn't change the fact. I'm not saying he was wrong to defend himself. What I'm saying is he never should have been in the situation to begin with. Killing someone in real life is not the same as killing someone in a video game. There is no reset button. Why do you or anyone else say he's a hero? What did he do that was heroic? NOTHING! He's a criminal.

He is a hero.  He was a good kid who was cleaning up the city.  That's a fact.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 08:56:08 AM
I know a misdemeanor is not a crime. I have never said it was.

QuoteA misdemeanor is still a crime.

QuoteShoplifting is a misdemeanor and is a crime. Get it through your head Rittenhouse is a criminal.

Do you hear yourself? This is not an emotional issue and you're caught up in looking at this from a lib POV, emotional and guns are bad.
That is not the case, he didn't look for trouble, he was there to prevent it and these morons attacked this kid and paid the ultimate price for their stupidity!

QuoteHe was a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon.

Again, do you hear yourself? Dangerous? It's a fuckin tool, that's all, there is NOTHING D"Dangerous" about an inanimate object! Not a single one of my guns has done anything "Dangerous on its own!

QuoteHe committed a crime and because he did it caused bodily damage or death to 3 other people. It still doesn't change the fact that he is an accomplice to a class H felony.

Wrong!!! He can't be indicted for  law that only pertains  to an adult.

QuoteYou won't answer the question, not because it's stupid but because you know I'm right.

I did answer it, you just didn't like facing the fact this is a Constitutional issue and not the emotional one you're arguing. Here's the answer I posted!
"Are you talking Illinois, or Idaho? Point being, many states have bastardized the Bill of Rights, while other states protected our Rights."

QuoteRittenhouse is just as much of a criminal as the rioters.

Seriously? Are you even listening to the shit you're saying?

QuoteHe is charged and he will be convicted of something.

Sure he will, the first go around, but on appeal he'll be cleared of all charges. Also he will win a defamation suit when all is said and done, just like the Covington kid.

QuoteHe and his parents will definitely be sued. The person that gave him the rifle will be charged, convicted and sued. Are you denying any responsibility for the guy that gave him the rifle?He was wrong.

Which has zero to do with this case, that's for another court to decide.

QuoteHe is stupid and he is immature and childish. He fucked up BAD.

He's decades more mature than most people his age, watch the video and think again.

QuoteYou still won't answer my question. What happens to you if you get caught with an unmodified AR15 in your state? Where is the 2nd amendment then?

"Are you talking Illinois, or Idaho? Point being, many states have bastardized the Bill of Rights, while other states protected our Rights."

Quote from: American Loving Norwegian on September 26, 2020, 11:48:48 AM
He came there to protect the city when the police and cities politicians failed to. Thats why he is a hero. He broke a law that shouldnt really be a law according to 2a as far as I understand it? Either way its a misdemeanor. Rioting should be a felony, so cant compare him to them anyway. He was trying to protect the city from the anarchy these rioting thugs created

BINGO!!!

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2020, 01:12:50 PM
 

Do you hear yourself? This is not an emotional issue and you're caught up in looking at this from a lib POV, emotional and guns are bad.
That is not the case, he didn't look for trouble, he was there to prevent it and these morons attacked this kid and paid the ultimate price for their stupidity!
Again, do you hear yourself? Dangerous? It's a fuckin tool, that's all, there is NOTHING D"Dangerous" about an inanimate object! Not a single one of my guns has done anything "Dangerous on its own!
Wrong!!! He can't be indicted for  law that only pertains  to an adult.
I did answer it, you just didn't like facing the fact this is a Constitutional issue and not the emotional one you're arguing. Here's the answer I posted!
"Are you talking Illinois, or Idaho? Point being, many states have bastardized the Bill of Rights, while other states protected our Rights."

Seriously? Are you even listening to the shit you're saying?

Sure he will, the first go around, but on appeal he'll be cleared of all charges. Also he will win a defamation suit when all is said and done, just like the Covington kid.

Which has zero to do with this case, that's for another court to decide.He's decades more mature than most people his age, watch the video and think again.
"Are you talking Illinois, or Idaho? Point being, many states have bastardized the Bill of Rights, while other states protected our Rights."

I meant to say I know a misdemeanor is not a felony. My mistake.
He went there illegally carrying a firearm. He knew there would be trouble and was expecting it. He should have avoided it .
By the law in Minnesota it is classified as a dangerous weapon. A firearm in the wrong hands is definitely a dangerous weapon. Rittenhouse proved that.
Since when do felonies only pertain to adults? A minor can definitely be an accomplice to a felony and Rittenhouse was. That is correct.
Again there is not a state in the US that allows minors to carry firearms in public. Constitutional or not.
There is no defamation of Rittenhouse. He will be convicted of a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon and possibly other more severe charges. He's a criminal.
There is nothing emotional about that. It is the fact of the matter.
You know damn good and well I'm not a fucking liberal. Far from it. I have said many times I don't agree with most of the BS firearm laws. It doesn't change the fact that they are laws that have been held up by a corrupt Supreme Court. It also doesn't change the fact that Rittenhouse broke those laws. He will be convicted. He will do time. He won't be able to ever legally own a firearm without having his rights restored.
Those are undeniable facts. There is no defamation there. He has no case for defamation. He's in jail now with a $2 million bail last I have read. That possibly has changed. His whole case and everyone involved is far from over.
You're wrong and we'll have to see how this plays out.
I'll ask you the same question. Is it okay for a minor to shoplift to feed themselves? Are they a hero or a criminal? Isn't that a crime? If they knock down an old lady when they are trying to get away and the old lady dies isn't that a crime or does it not apply because it's a minor and shoplifting is just a misdemeanor?
You don't get it. Rittenhouse had no legal authority to carry the rifle he used to kill 2 people and injure 1 person in the first place.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 02:01:47 PM
I meant to say I know a misdemeanor is not a felony. My mistake.
He went there illegally carrying a firearm. He knew there would be trouble and was expecting it. He should have avoided it .
By the law in Minnesota it is classified as a dangerous weapon. A firearm in the wrong hands is definitely a dangerous weapon. Rittenhouse proved that.
Since when do felonies only pertain to adults? A minor can definitely be an accomplice to a felony and Rittenhouse was. That is correct.
Again there is not a state in the US that allows minors to carry firearms in public. Constitutional or not.
There is no defamation of Rittenhouse. He will be convicted of a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon and possibly other more severe charges. He's a criminal.
There is nothing emotional about that. It is the fact of the matter.
You know damn good and well I'm not a fucking liberal. Far from it. I have said many times I don't agree with most of the BS firearm laws. It doesn't change the fact that they are laws that have been held up by a corrupt Supreme Court. It also doesn't change the fact that Rittenhouse broke those laws. He will be convicted. He will do time. He won't be able to ever legally own a firearm without having his rights restored.
Those are undeniable facts. There is no defamation there. He has no case for defamation. He's in jail now with a $2 million bail last I have read. That possibly has changed. His whole case and everyone involved is far from over.
You're wrong and we'll have to see how this plays out.
I'll ask you the same question. Is it okay for a minor to shoplift to feed themselves? Are they a hero or a criminal? Isn't that a crime? If they knock down an old lady when they are trying to get away and the old lady dies isn't that a crime or does it not apply because it's a minor and shoplifting is just a misdemeanor?
You don't get it. Rittenhouse had no legal authority to carry the rifle he used to kill 2 people and injure 1 person in the first place.

Would the real criminals in this case, the now deceased, still be alive had they not tried to kill Rittenhouse? You keep referring to Rittenhouse as a criminal, what has he been found guilty of? If the jury does not convict Rittenhouse on anything, which will probably happen, is he still a criminal?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 02:01:47 PM
I meant to say I know a misdemeanor is not a felony. My mistake.
He went there illegally carrying a firearm. He knew there would be trouble and was expecting it. He should have avoided it .
By the law in Minnesota it is classified as a dangerous weapon. A firearm in the wrong hands is definitely a dangerous weapon. Rittenhouse proved that.
Since when do felonies only pertain to adults? A minor can definitely be an accomplice to a felony and Rittenhouse was. That is correct.
Again there is not a state in the US that allows minors to carry firearms in public. Constitutional or not.
There is no defamation of Rittenhouse. He will be convicted of a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon and possibly other more severe charges. He's a criminal.
There is nothing emotional about that. It is the fact of the matter.
You know damn good and well I'm not a fucking liberal. Far from it. I have said many times I don't agree with most of the BS firearm laws. It doesn't change the fact that they are laws that have been held up by a corrupt Supreme Court. It also doesn't change the fact that Rittenhouse broke those laws. He will be convicted. He will do time. He won't be able to ever legally own a firearm without having his rights restored.
Those are undeniable facts. There is no defamation there. He has no case for defamation. He's in jail now with a $2 million bail last I have read. That possibly has changed. His whole case and everyone involved is far from over.
You're wrong and we'll have to see how this plays out.
I'll ask you the same question. Is it okay for a minor to shoplift to feed themselves? Are they a hero or a criminal? Isn't that a crime? If they knock down an old lady when they are trying to get away and the old lady dies isn't that a crime or does it not apply because it's a minor and shoplifting is just a misdemeanor?
You don't get it. Rittenhouse had no legal authority to carry the rifle he used to kill 2 people and injure 1 person in the first place.

Do not see the apples to apples here. What I can see is if Rittenhouse had run across the street to tackle a bank robber, you would want charges of jaywalking filed?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 02:01:47 PM
I meant to say I know a misdemeanor is not a felony. My mistake.
He went there illegally carrying a firearm. He knew there would be trouble and was expecting it. He should have avoided it .
By the law in Minnesota it is classified as a dangerous weapon. A firearm in the wrong hands is definitely a dangerous weapon. Rittenhouse proved that.
Since when do felonies only pertain to adults? A minor can definitely be an accomplice to a felony and Rittenhouse was. That is correct.
Again there is not a state in the US that allows minors to carry firearms in public. Constitutional or not.
There is no defamation of Rittenhouse. He will be convicted of a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon and possibly other more severe charges. He's a criminal.
There is nothing emotional about that. It is the fact of the matter.
You know damn good and well I'm not a fucking liberal. Far from it. I have said many times I don't agree with most of the BS firearm laws. It doesn't change the fact that they are laws that have been held up by a corrupt Supreme Court. It also doesn't change the fact that Rittenhouse broke those laws. He will be convicted. He will do time. He won't be able to ever legally own a firearm without having his rights restored.
Those are undeniable facts. There is no defamation there. He has no case for defamation. He's in jail now with a $2 million bail last I have read. That possibly has changed. His whole case and everyone involved is far from over.
You're wrong and we'll have to see how this plays out.
I'll ask you the same question. Is it okay for a minor to shoplift to feed themselves? Are they a hero or a criminal? Isn't that a crime? If they knock down an old lady when they are trying to get away and the old lady dies isn't that a crime or does it not apply because it's a minor and shoplifting is just a misdemeanor?
You don't get it. Rittenhouse had no legal authority to carry the rifle he used to kill 2 people and injure 1 person in the first place.

I'll ignore your emotional pleas, you really don't want to go down that road.
How is it you keep missing one important part of the law? And C does not apply to him, only the person who supplied the weapon.

"a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony."

Bottom line here, Rittenhouse was well within his right of self defense, regardless of what he used to protect himself..
You are hung up on the fact that he used a gun, but what if he'd have used a bat and beat the crap out of them, with the same results?

Point being, he was well within his Right to self defense, and the only broken was one classified as a misdemeanor.

Quote from: Possum on September 26, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
Do not see the apples to apples here. What I can see is if Rittenhouse had run across the street to tackle a bank robber, you would want charges of jaywalking filed?

No but that isn't the same thing either. My example was because Solar is saying Rittenhouse can't be charged with a felony because he is a minor. That is absolutely not true. He's also saying Rittenhouse can't be charged as an accomplice to a felony because he's a minor which is also not true. Again the point being according to the law in Minnesota Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon which is a misdemeanor.  When Rittenhouse took possession of said dangerous weapon he was an accomplice to a felony.  When Rittenhouse injured and killed someone with said dangerous weapon the friend that gave him the weapon is guilty of a class H felony. When the person gave Rittenhouse said dangerous before Rittenhouse used the weapon was guilty of a class I felony. By Rittenhouse taking possession he is an accomplice to the felony. The fact that Rittenhouse is a minor is what makes it a fel9ny to begin with. Rittenhouse should never have had the rifle to begin with. You also can't say Rittenhouse didn't expect any trouble or else he would not have any reason to illegally borrow a rifle. Rittenhouse is a minor and is a criminal.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 04:06:59 PM
No but that isn't the same thing either. My example was because Solar is saying Rittenhouse can't be charged with a felony because he is a minor. That is absolutely not true. He's also saying Rittenhouse can't be charged as an accomplice to a felony because he's a minor which is also not true. Again the point being according to the law in Minnesota Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon which is a misdemeanor.  When Rittenhouse took possession of said dangerous weapon he was an accomplice to a felony.  When Rittenhouse injured and killed someone with said dangerous weapon the friend that gave him the weapon is guilty of a class H felony. When the person gave Rittenhouse said dangerous before Rittenhouse used the weapon was guilty of a class I felony. By Rittenhouse taking possession he is an accomplice to the felony. The fact that Rittenhouse is a minor is what makes it a fel9ny to begin with. Rittenhouse should never have had the rifle to begin with. You also can't say Rittenhouse didn't expect any trouble or else he would not have any reason to illegally borrow a rifle. Rittenhouse is a minor and is a criminal.

What has he been convicted of?

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 04:06:59 PM
No but that isn't the same thing either. My example was because Solar is saying Rittenhouse can't be charged with a felony because he is a minor. That is absolutely not true. He's also saying Rittenhouse can't be charged as an accomplice to a felony because he's a minor which is also not true. Again the point being according to the law in Minnesota Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon which is a misdemeanor.  When Rittenhouse took possession of said dangerous weapon he was an accomplice to a felony.  When Rittenhouse injured and killed someone with said dangerous weapon the friend that gave him the weapon is guilty of a class H felony. When the person gave Rittenhouse said dangerous before Rittenhouse used the weapon was guilty of a class I felony. By Rittenhouse taking possession he is an accomplice to the felony. The fact that Rittenhouse is a minor is what makes it a fel9ny to begin with. Rittenhouse should never have had the rifle to begin with. You also can't say Rittenhouse didn't expect any trouble or else he would not have any reason to illegally borrow a rifle. Rittenhouse is a minor and is a criminal.

No, I never said that. They can charge him with anything they like, but that doesn't make it Constitutional.
In the end he will walk free, no jury in the land would convict after seeing the video.

Quote from: Solar on September 26, 2020, 04:10:54 PM
No, I never said that. They can charge him with anything they like, but that doesn't make it Constitutional.
In the end he will walk free, no jury in the land would convict after seeing the video.

They can and they will. Rittenhouse is guilty. He never should have been there to begin with armed as he was.  He is a criminal.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 26, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
They can and they will. Rittenhouse is guilty. He never should have been there to begin with armed as he was. He is a criminal.

What has he been convicted of?