'The Truth In 11 Minutes': Defense Lawyer Posts Video Of Kyle Rittenhouse

When you put it like that......

What the video doesn't mention is that Rittenhouse was not legally carrying a firearm therefore was not a law abiding citizen. It also doesn't mention that his friend that gave him the firearm committed a felony by doing so and therefore was also not a law abiding citizen. This case is going to be very messy.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 23, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
What the video doesn't mention is that Rittenhouse was not legally carrying a firearm therefore was not a law abiding citizen. It also doesn't mention that his friend that gave him the firearm committed a felony by doing so and therefore was also not a law abiding citizen. This case is going to be very messy.

Whose side are you on?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 23, 2020, 01:50:40 PM
Whose side are you on?

I'm not on any side. Rittenhouse being charged for murder I s ridiculous especially 1st degree murder. It was obviously self defense. It doesn't make Rittenhouse some kind of hero. He is a stupid kid that made a series of very bad choices. What I don't understand is why the idiot that was shot in the arm is not in jail for assault with a deadly weapon and felon in posession of a firearm. I also don't understand why the rioter aren't in jail and why aren't the cops doing their job.

He is a hero.

When it comes to Antifa, kill 'em all and let God reject 'em.

Rittenhouse wasn't the law and without law, chaos ensues. Kinda simple. I have to admit being an old timer, men fought with their hands if they had to, and were never armed.  A gun mad society is the reason for this and that is a truth Americans can't face. Other nations do not have these statistics. Wake up.

Life in the land of Guns:

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics



"The shooter is almost always male. Of the past 129 mass shootings in the United States, all but three have been men. The shooter is socially alienated, and he can't get laid. Every time you scratch the surface of the latest mass killing, in a movie theatre, a school, the streets of Paris or an abortion clinic, you find the weaponised loser. From Jihadi John of ISIS to Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, these men are invariably stuck in the emotional life of an adolescent. They always struggle with self-esteem – especially regarding women – and sometimes they give up entirely on the possibility of amorous fulfilment. There are different levels of tactical coordination, different ostensible grievances and different access to firearms, but the psyche beneath is invariably the same."

https://aeon.co/essays/humiliation-and-rage-how-toxic-masculinity-fuels-mass-shootings

Quote from: lecarrjan on September 23, 2020, 04:12:47 PM
Rittenhouse wasn't the law and without law, chaos ensues. Kinda simple. I have to admit being an old timer, men fought with their hands if they had to, and were never armed.  A gun mad society is the reason for this and that is a truth Americans can't face. Other nations do not have these statistics. Wake up.

Life in the land of Guns:

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics



"The shooter is almost always male. Of the past 129 mass shootings in the United States, all but three have been men. The shooter is socially alienated, and he can't get laid. Every time you scratch the surface of the latest mass killing, in a movie theatre, a school, the streets of Paris or an abortion clinic, you find the weaponised loser. From Jihadi John of ISIS to Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, these men are invariably stuck in the emotional life of an adolescent. They always struggle with self-esteem – especially regarding women – and sometimes they give up entirely on the possibility of amorous fulfilment. There are different levels of tactical coordination, different ostensible grievances and different access to firearms, but the psyche beneath is invariably the same."

https://aeon.co/essays/humiliation-and-rage-how-toxic-masculinity-fuels-mass-shootings

This is all BS and has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Nice try libby.

Quote from: lecarrjan on September 23, 2020, 04:12:47 PM
Rittenhouse wasn't the law and without law, chaos ensues. Kinda simple. I have to admit being an old timer, men fought with their hands if they had to, and were never armed.  A gun mad society is the reason for this and that is a truth Americans can't face. Other nations do not have these statistics. Wake up.

Life in the land of Guns:

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics



"The shooter is almost always male. Of the past 129 mass shootings in the United States, all but three have been men. The shooter is socially alienated, and he can't get laid. Every time you scratch the surface of the latest mass killing, in a movie theatre, a school, the streets of Paris or an abortion clinic, you find the weaponised loser. From Jihadi John of ISIS to Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris at Columbine, these men are invariably stuck in the emotional life of an adolescent. They always struggle with self-esteem – especially regarding women – and sometimes they give up entirely on the possibility of amorous fulfilment. There are different levels of tactical coordination, different ostensible grievances and different access to firearms, but the psyche beneath is invariably the same."

https://aeon.co/essays/humiliation-and-rage-how-toxic-masculinity-fuels-mass-shootings

People don't have the moral right to talk about law while chaos is ensuing during a riot to de-fund police and rally around criminals. Let's not forget, those people in the streets are the violent ones, not Rittenhouse.

I want you to further break down the male statistics: into ideology (political, religious, and group). You may find out that black males who shoot and kill other black males outnumber all the Columbines added up, and none of them where Conservatives or Libertarians. If you want to talk about mass shootings, they were either left-wing or Islamic.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 23, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
What the video doesn't mention is that Rittenhouse was not legally carrying a firearm therefore was not a law abiding citizen. It also doesn't mention that his friend that gave him the firearm committed a felony by doing so and therefore was also not a law abiding citizen. This case is going to be very messy.

Dude, weve already been over this, the law is clear as taxed pointed out, Kyle didnt break the law.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/55

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948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1)  In this section, "dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(3) 
(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.
(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
948.60(3)(c)
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
History: 1987 a. 332; 1991 a. 18, 139; 1993 a. 98; 1995 a. 27, 77; 1997 a. 248; 2001 a. 109; 2005 a. 163; 2011 a. 35.
Sub. (2) (b) does not set a standard for civil liability, and a violation of sub. (2) (b) does not constitute negligence per se. Logarto v. Gustafson, 998 F. Supp. 998 (1998).

What exactly do you think "THIS SECTION" refers too? It is refering to the entire SECTION of 940.60, not simply part C.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 24, 2020, 01:54:27 AM
Dude, weve already been over this, the law is clear as taxed pointed out, Kyle didnt break the law.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/55


What exactly do you think "THIS SECTION" refers too? It is refering to the entire SECTION of 940.60, not simply part C.

Again you're WRONG! 2a is a misdemeanor and 3c is a felony. Rittenhouse did break the law. The guy thst loaned him the gun also committed a felony.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 23, 2020, 02:19:23 PM
I'm not on any side. Rittenhouse being charged for murder I s ridiculous especially 1st degree murder. It was obviously self defense. It doesn't make Rittenhouse some kind of hero. He is a stupid kid that made a series of very bad choices. What I don't understand is why the idiot that was shot in the arm is not in jail for assault with a deadly weapon and felon in posession of a firearm. I also don't understand why the rioter aren't in jail and why aren't the cops doing their job.

This is silly beyond belief! This is akin to blaming an individual involved in an even larger issue, because the vehicle had expired tags, contending the person who owned and loaned him the vehicle is equally culpable.
This is all secondary to the issue at hand and will be tossed out of court and handed over to another council.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
This is silly beyond belief! This is akin to blaming an individual involved in an even larger issue, because the vehicle had expired tags, contending the person who owned and loaned him the vehicle is equally culpable.
This is all secondary to the issue at hand and will be tossed out of court and handed over to another council.

WTF are you talking about? Rittenhouse defended himself. That I agree on. He borrowed a firearm and carried it in public which is a misdemeanor at minimum. The person that loaned a 17yo said firearm committed a felony. Rittenhouse is not a hero. He is a stupid kid that made stupid decisions. He should have never put himself in the situation in the first place. Now he will suffer for his stupid decisions for the rest of his life.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 06:59:39 AM
WTF are you talking about? Rittenhouse defended himself. That I agree on. He borrowed a firearm and carried it in public which is a misdemeanor at minimum. The person that loaned a 17yo said firearm committed a felony. Rittenhouse is not a hero. He is a stupid kid that made stupid decisions. He should have never put himself in the situation in the first place. Now he will suffer for his stupid decisions for the rest of his life.

All Pure Bull Shit!!! You of all people have been whining that no one was doing anything, that people needed to stand up to these assholes, and when one does, you condemn him?
Get your priorities straight, either we allow chaos in the streets or we do not! The left refuses to follow the law, so it sadly falls in the laps of the citizenry to enforce the law, and if a few thugs and perverts die along the way, GOOD!

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 07:24:46 AM
All Pure Bull Shit!!! You of all people have been whining that no one was doing anything, that people needed to stand up to these assholes, and when one does, you condemn him?
Get your priorities straight, either we allow chaos in the streets or we do not! The left refuses to follow the law, so it sadly falls in the laps of the citizenry to enforce the law, and if a few thugs and perverts die along the way, GOOD!

No it's not bullshit. Everything I stated is true. That child had no business illegally borrowing a gun to go into a riot. That was a stupid decision. The person that committed a FELONY loaning a minor a firearm is just as much to blame as the guys that got shot. Rittenhouse killed 2 people and wounded 1 person defending himself. That will be on his conscience for the rest of his life. He never should have been there in the first place. HE IS JUST A CHILD! HE IS A CRIMINAL TOO! Yes the cops should be doing their job. Yes the rioters are wrong and should be arrested. That doesn't change the facts it also doesn't justify breaking the law on either side. If Rittenhouse would have been born 4 months earlier than he was this wouldn't even be a discussion but he wasn't. The rioters were and still are wrong but so is Rittenhouse and his friend.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 04:22:40 AM
Again you're WRONG! 2a is a misdemeanor and 3c is a felony. Rittenhouse did break the law. The guy thst loaned him the gun also committed a felony.

So are you going to answer my question? Which SECTION is it referring too?