Putin is really screwing up lately. Back in February the assumption was Russia would attack every petrol depot, stop the trains, send troops into only the pro-Russian areas and then set up fortifications. Turned out that was never the plan, I guess he did not want the EU to get upset with him. Now here we are, Putin can either start now or pull out. Things were acceptable to the Russian public until this week.
This is snowballing with Azerbaijan now attacking Armenia, openly defying the Russian peace guarantor. If Russia does not press these "guarantees" they will all be considered worthless. The whole Russian system of Asian agreements can unravel.
The Russian economy is doing fine. I guess maybe he was trying to balance too many things at once. The electric grid at the front lines were hit for the first time, so maybe Putin will act like he is trying to win.
A good source is: https://t.me/s/TXDPR
Soooo, you get your opinion from an anti Putin Ukrainian?
Think about this. Zelenskyy, a commie hack entertainer appointed by Obama, backed by the NWO/NATO has yet to even bruise Russia, while losing ground to Russia, is somehow winning the war?
Quote from: Solar on September 12, 2022, 07:12:22 PMSoooo, you get your opinion from an anti Putin Ukrainian?
No, please click the link. He is a veteran of the Donbass Republic. Here is a link to Strelkov https://t.me/s/strelkovii/ (https://t.me/s/strelkovii/), a Russian monarchist who fought in 4 wars around the Black Sea. The Russian were winning until now. Russians in Donetsk say unless Putin begins to attack the NATO supply lines and petrol stations/depots, the lines will break. Biden spent billions to bring in a mercenary army of military professionals from around the world. They are saying Putin needs to get serious.
Quote from: unver on September 12, 2022, 07:48:03 PMNo, please click the link. He is a veteran of the Donbass Republic. Here is a link to Strelkov https://t.me/s/strelkovii/ (https://t.me/s/strelkovii/), a Russian monarchist who fought in 4 wars around the Black Sea. The Russian were winning until now. Russians in Donetsk say unless Putin begins to attack the NATO supply lines and petrol stations/depots, the lines will break. Biden spent billions to bring in a mercenary army of military professionals from around the world. They are saying Putin needs to get serious.
Yeah, I read through his posts.
He's just a guy with an opinion who carries no weight. Putin is playing the long slow game, he has Europe by the nuts, regardless what NATO does, Europe is on the verge of collapse.
If Putin were to escalate at this point in time, he'd look weak and it would weaken his position.
Read Sun Tzu, obviously Putin studies his work.
(https://conservativehardliner.com/sites/default/files/2022-03/ukraine_winning-min.jpeg)
Quote from: taxed on September 12, 2022, 08:12:25 PM(https://conservativehardliner.com/sites/default/files/2022-03/ukraine_winning-min.jpeg)
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Quote from: unver on September 12, 2022, 06:41:48 PMPutin is really screwing up lately. Back in February the assumption was Russia would attack every petrol depot, stop the trains, send troops into only the pro-Russian areas and then set up fortifications. Turned out that was never the plan, I guess he did not want the EU to get upset with him. Now here we are, Putin can either start now or pull out. Things were acceptable to the Russian public until this week.
This is snowballing with Azerbaijan now attacking Armenia, openly defying the Russian peace guarantor. If Russia does not press these "guarantees" they will all be considered worthless. The whole Russian system of Asian agreements can unravel.
The Russian economy is doing fine. I guess maybe he was trying to balance too many things at once. The electric grid at the front lines were hit for the first time, so maybe Putin will act like he is trying to win.
A good source is: https://t.me/s/TXDPR
If the media tells you that russia is the bad guy then that means that they arent. Thats called logical thinking.
Quote from: Solar on September 12, 2022, 07:12:22 PMSoooo, you get your opinion from an anti Putin Ukrainian?
Think about this. Zelenskyy, a commie hack entertainer appointed by Obama, backed by the NWO/NATO has yet to even bruise Russia, while losing ground to Russia, is somehow winning the war?
Not only that, but Zelensky doesn't even own a suit and tie. I've never seen him in one. :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Snuffy on September 13, 2022, 01:06:54 PMNot only that, but Zelensky doesn't even own a suit and tie. I've never seen him in one. :bigl :bigl
JMO, but I think Zelensky's main job is to take U.S. tax payer's money and fund it into the DNC. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
Quote from: Possum on September 13, 2022, 02:30:49 PMJMO, but I think Zelensky's main job is to take U.S. tax payer's money and fund it into the DNC. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
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Europeans this winter:
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Russians this winter:
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Quote from: Possum on September 13, 2022, 02:30:49 PMJMO, but I think Zelensky's main job is to take U.S. tax payer's money and fund it into the DNC. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
No doubt!! And other deep-state coffers...
Quote from: taxed on September 13, 2022, 08:45:30 PMEuropeans this winter:
(https://writersforensicsblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/jack-frozen.png)
Russians this winter:
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Yeah, but the Europeans have Greta and green energy!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Or if they HAD any energy, it would be green.
Quote from: Possum on September 14, 2022, 03:51:51 AMYeah, but the Europeans have Greta and green energy!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Or if they HAD any energy, it would be green.
I hear they have alot of muslims too...does that work as fuel?
I saw an article a couple days ago whereby it stated that "a number" of Putin's political affiliates are calling for him to step down. Get out of the way.
Quote from: Possum on September 14, 2022, 03:51:51 AMYeah, but the Europeans have Greta and green energy!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Or if they HAD any energy, it would be green.
I wonder where she's been, btw... have her checks been cashing?
Quote from: Solar on September 12, 2022, 07:12:22 PMSoooo, you get your opinion from an anti Putin Ukrainian?
Think about this. Zelenskyy, a commie hack entertainer appointed by Obama, backed by the NWO/NATO has yet to even bruise Russia, while losing ground to Russia, is somehow winning the war?
President Zelenskyy was elected President of the Ukraine in 2019, more than two years after President Obama left office. President Trump was 2 years into his term when President Zelenskyy became President of the Ukraine.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 08:15:31 AMPresident Zelenskyy was elected President of the Ukraine in 2019, more than two years after President Obama left office. President Trump was 2 years into his term when President Zelenskyy became President of the Ukraine.
Why do you even post? Do you like looking stupid?
Do some research ROOOB! Ukraine is controlled by the DNC/NWO and now pawns of NATO!
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 08:22:08 AMWhy do you even post? Do you like looking stupid?
Do some research ROOOB! Ukraine is controlled by the DNC/NWO and now pawns of NATO!
I was just correcting the record. You said President Obama appointed President Zelenskyy. I noted that President Trump was in office when President Zelenskyy took office. President Obama was not in any position to install the President of the Ukraine. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I would be interested.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 08:37:17 AMI was just correcting the record. You said President Obama appointed President Zelenskyy. I noted that President Trump was in office when President Zelenskyy took office. President Obama was not in any position to install the President of the Ukraine. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I would be interested.
Like I said, do some research! His appointment has his finger prints all over it!!!
This is why you always get your ass handed to you, you only regurgitate leftist media, never once questioning what they've been doing behind the scenes.
Think NWO.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 08:40:03 AMLike I said, do some research! His appointment has his finger prints all over it!!!
This is why you always get your ass handed to you, you only regurgitate leftist media, never once questioning what they've been doing behind the scenes.
Think NWO.
Do you have a credible source for that, or is this just speculation? I am not saying you are incorrect, just that I have seen no credible evidence to support the idea that President Obama, as a private citizen, had the motive and the resources to pull something like that off. Why would he?
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 09:08:00 AMDo you have a credible source for that, or is this just speculation? I am not saying you are incorrect, just that I have seen no credible evidence to support the idea that President Obama, as a private citizen, had the motive and the resources to pull something like that off. Why would he?
You are a total Fool, in the literal sense! We post this stuff all the time and as usual, since it's not a leftist site, you run from it like the plague.
There is no such thing as a two party system, there is but one, the Uniparty keeping the illusion of a two party system alive.
Obozo is a part of this NWO, Ukraine has been nothing more than a money laundering point for the DNC.
You did know this right?
Tell you what, instead of me posting links to articles you'll refuse to answer, how about you see if you can find anything on your own?
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 09:08:00 AMDo you have a credible source for that, or is this just speculation? I am not saying you are incorrect, just that I have seen no credible evidence to support the idea that President Obama, as a private citizen, had the motive and the resources to pull something like that off. Why would he?
Did Ukraine stop being corrupt when Obama/ Biden left office? With the country being that corrupt, do you think it is possible that they knew the results of the election weeks ahead of the vote? I know, you're liberal, you have no earthly idea on the answers to any of the questions.
Quote from: Possum on September 14, 2022, 10:39:48 AMDid Ukraine stop being corrupt when Obama/ Biden left office? With the country being that corrupt, do you think it is possible that they knew the results of the election weeks ahead of the vote? I know, you're liberal, you have no earthly idea on the answers to any of the questions.
He doesn't want the truth, oblivion is a peaceful state of mind of the sheep.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 10:50:43 AMHe doesn't want the truth, oblivion is a peaceful state of mind of the sheep.
It is through the dnc that the $ to Ukraine starts, just look at the spending bills from the house that set aside $ that did not stop when Obama/Biden left office. Just look at all the $ going over there now. Hell the ink on the check is not even dry before they are cutting the next one. Does he ever quote anything other liberal talking points?
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 08:37:17 AMI was just correcting the record. You said President Obama appointed President Zelenskyy. I noted that President Trump was in office when President Zelenskyy took office. President Obama was not in any position to install the President of the Ukraine. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I would be interested.
Is this the same Trump that the democrats wanted to impeach because Trump demanded Ukraine clean up the corruption?
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 09:25:56 AMYou are a total Fool, in the literal sense! We post this stuff all the time and as usual, since it's not a leftist site, you run from it like the plague.
There is no such thing as a two party system, there is but one, the Uniparty keeping the illusion of a two party system alive.
Obozo is a part of this NWO, Ukraine has been nothing more than a money laundering point for the DNC.
You did know this right?
Tell you what, instead of me posting links to articles you'll refuse to answer, how about you see if you can find anything on your own?
The election of President Zelenskyy in 2019 is part of the public record and President Poroshenko did not dispute the election results.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Volodymyr-Zelensky
When you say you post this stuff all the time, I am reminded of some of the "stuff" you have posted in the past, such as trying to claim SQ riot police were "UN troops" and Chris Wylie, whom Steve Bannon credited for helping President Trump's win in 2016, you mistakenly identified as Antifa.
You may be right that there is some scary secret cabal of communists who convinced millions of Ukranians to vote for President Zelenskyy, but I am skeptical until I actually see credible evidence to support your position.
Quote from: Possum on September 14, 2022, 11:02:13 AMIs this the same Trump that the democrats wanted to impeach because Trump demanded Ukraine clean up the corruption?
Yes. That is the same President Trump although the instrument of impeachment worded the charge differently. Also note, President Trump was acquitted and therefore not guilty of the charge.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 11:16:23 AMThe election of President Zelenskyy in 2019 is part of the public record and President Poroshenko did not dispute the election results.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Volodymyr-Zelensky
When you say you post this stuff all the time, I am reminded of some of the "stuff" you have posted in the past, such as trying to claim SQ riot police were "UN troops" and Chris Wylie, whom Steve Bannon credited for helping President Trump's win in 2016, you mistakenly identified as Antifa.
You may be right that there is some scary secret cabal of communists who convinced millions of Ukranians to vote for President Zelenskyy, but I am skeptical until I actually see credible evidence to support your position.
No Troll! That was you making unfounded claims, I proved wrong, and you admitted in as much.
Now stop derailing and get back to the thread!
Quote from: Snuffy on September 14, 2022, 06:46:11 AMI saw an article a couple days ago whereby it stated that "a number" of Putin's political affiliates are calling for him to step down. Get out of the way.
He has some nice places around the world. Let's hope he is making plans to retire to them. My personal view is he cannot continue to suffer the defeats and losses his military is experiencing.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 11:22:44 AMNo Troll! That was you making unfounded claims, I proved wrong, and you admitted in as much.
Now stop derailing and get back to the thread!
Rather than re- litigate Mr. Wylie's service to President Trump, let's get back to the thread.
I will venture to say nobody can say for sure who is winning the invasion, but the Ukrainians are clearly winning the propoganda war in the west.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 11:44:49 AMRather than re- litigate Mr. Wylie's service to President Trump, let's get back to the thread.
I will venture to say nobody can say for sure who is winning the invasion, but the Ukrainians are clearly winning the propoganda war in the west.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820105/user-clip-biden-tells-story-ukraine-prosecutor-fired
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 11:46:13 AMhttps://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820105/user-clip-biden-tells-story-ukraine-prosecutor-fired
Why don't they impeach him?
As for President Putin, he isn't done yet. However, if the reports of his conversations with President Xi, he is truly dancing with the devil. If Russia is seeking help from China, it is like you or I asking a loan shark for help.
If we are to believe the reports of the Russian defeats on the battlefield, we should not take too much comfort for future conflict. The first thing the Russian military should do is look at what went wrong and make sure that doesn't happen next time. That will make things more dangerous.
But then, after reading the Guns Of August (Barbara Tuchman) and August 1914 (Solzhenitsyn), the Russian Army doesn't make it a habit to correct their mistakes until the enemy is at the gates of Moscow.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 12:07:54 PMWhy don't they impeach him?
Why should they? The Russian people like the guy. And they aren't suffering.
QuoteAs for President Putin, he isn't done yet. However, if the reports of his conversations with President Xi, he is truly dancing with the devil. If Russia is seeking help from China, it is like you or I asking a loan shark for help.
On the world stage, making allies is a strength, regardless, and now they're even reeling in one of our long time allies, India.
It's literally a battle against a NATO NWO takeover for a world currency.
QuoteIf we are to believe the reports of the Russian defeats on the battlefield, we should not take too much comfort for future conflict. The first thing the Russian military should do is look at what went wrong and make sure that doesn't happen next time. That will make things more dangerous
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Minor defeats is all it is, Russia in for the long game, and I hope they win. We are not the good guys in this war.
QuoteBut then, after reading the Guns Of August (Barbara Tuchman) and August 1914 (Solzhenitsyn), the Russian Army doesn't make it a habit to correct their mistakes until the enemy is at the gates of Moscow.
Yet Russia is still in existence. Go figure...
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 11:44:49 AMRather than re- litigate Mr. Wylie's service to President Trump, let's get back to the thread.
I will venture to say nobody can say for sure who is winning the invasion, but the Ukrainians are clearly winning the propoganda war in the west.
:lol: Really? The only people I see parroting the ukraine narrative are a few radical dems and the media. No one else cares.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 01:19:58 PMWhy should they?
I was referring to President Biden. I interpreted the quotation from C-Span to state President Biden got a Unkrainian prosecutor fired. That could qualify as an impeachable offence.
I wasn't suggesting President Putin be impeached.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 04:54:49 PMI was referring to President Biden. I interpreted the quotation from C-Span to state President Biden got a Unkrainian prosecutor fired. That could qualify as an impeachable offence.
I wasn't suggesting President Putin be impeached.
The article is about Putin, not Biteme.
The video is proof the DNC keeps Ukraine as its own laundering bank and has had for over a decade.
Long before Obozo.
How is it you don't know this? Because you refuse to venture beyond the lies your media feeds you!
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 11:46:13 AMhttps://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820105/user-clip-biden-tells-story-ukraine-prosecutor-fired
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2022, 05:05:58 PMThe article is about Putin, not Biteme.
I misunderstood the point of the link.Sorry, the content of the link caption only mentioned President Biden. As you know, links of unknown provinence tend to carry malicious content. I'm not going to risk my computer over a conversation such as this.
So to sum up, if I understand you correctly, former President Obama some how convinced Ukrainian voters to elect President Zelenskyy. Why President Obama would be motivated to see President Poroshenko defeated is a mystery. President Putin is reported by some of the western press to be facing greater domestic opposition, but the offending politicians have been arrested. There weren't that many. I am skeptical of the whole thing. I will be surprised if President Putin is removed, but I am always prepared for surprises.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 05:27:44 PMI misunderstood the point of the link.Sorry, the content of the link caption only mentioned President Biden. As you know, links of unknown provinence tend to carry malicious content. I'm not going to risk my computer over a conversation such as this.
So to sum up, if I understand you correctly, former President Obama some how convinced Ukrainian voters to elect President Zelenskyy. Why President Obama would be motivated to see President Poroshenko defeated is a mystery. President Putin is reported by some of the western press to be facing greater domestic opposition, but the offending politicians have been arrested. There weren't that many. I am skeptical of the whole thing. I will be surprised if President Putin is removed, but I am always prepared for surprises.
tsk tsk tsk, you do understand that the DNC only has to let them know what would displease them and the money would stop. You know, the way Biden did about the prosecutor? Or do you think Biden was the first to pull that trick? Now tell us again why you think the dnc did not influence their elections? You see the main problem with being corrupt, you can not stop accepting the money.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 05:27:44 PMI misunderstood the point of the link.Sorry, the content of the link caption only mentioned President Biden. As you know, links of unknown provinence tend to carry malicious content. I'm not going to risk my computer over a conversation such as this.
So to sum up, if I understand you correctly, former President Obama some how convinced Ukrainian voters to elect President Zelenskyy. Why President Obama would be motivated to see President Poroshenko defeated is a mystery. President Putin is reported by some of the western press to be facing greater domestic opposition, but the offending politicians have been arrested. There weren't that many. I am skeptical of the whole thing. I will be surprised if President Putin is removed, but I am always prepared for surprises.
So, again, you avoid the truth by claiming a link to Cspan, is not to be trusted?
No wonder you never hear the truth, your media refused to show you the evidence.
Go back and watch the video. And did you know it's all Dims who sit on boards of Ukrainian oil companies, including Hunter?
There is soooo much you don't know, only because you refuse to see the truth!
Aren't you getting tired of being played for a fool yet?
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 05:27:44 PM... As you know, links of unknown provinence tend to carry malicious content. I'm not going to risk my computer over a conversation such as this. ...
I'm sorry as well.
I did not realize that CSPAN.ORG (https://www.c-span.org/about/mission/) was a unknown province and a malicious web site. Your computer is at no risk whatsoever in clicking that link, than it is when you turn it on every day.
Seek help. :bigl
Quote from: Snuffy on September 15, 2022, 04:25:32 AMI'm sorry as well.
I did not realize that CSPAN.ORG (https://www.c-span.org/about/mission/) was a unknown province and a malicious web site. Your computer is at no risk whatsoever in clicking that link, than it is when you turn it on every day.
Seek help. :bigl
:lol: :lol:
Thing is, it's a threat to his entire world view. Can you imagine learning that everything you ever believed in has been a lie?
That's where every liberal stands today, discovering they were nothing more than gullible tools as those they believed, are actually their enslavers.
That's Tory, he doesn't want to know the truth, he doesn't want to believe his own beloved system of Govt has always been flawed, that Democracy is a lie and he's powerless to change it.
His world is collapsing because his hero is in truth Castro's gay off spring. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 08:37:17 AMI was just correcting the record. You said President Obama appointed President Zelenskyy. I noted that President Trump was in office when President Zelenskyy took office. President Obama was not in any position to install the President of the Ukraine. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I would be interested.
Why would you say that? They were in a position to replace the prosecutor who was investigating the Bidens, and pretty much owned Ukraine. It's odd to me that an adult in politics in his country doesn't know that.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 11:16:23 AMThe election of President Zelenskyy in 2019 is part of the public record and President Poroshenko did not dispute the election results.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48007487
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Volodymyr-Zelensky
When you say you post this stuff all the time, I am reminded of some of the "stuff" you have posted in the past, such as trying to claim SQ riot police were "UN troops" and Chris Wylie, whom Steve Bannon credited for helping President Trump's win in 2016, you mistakenly identified as Antifa.
You may be right that there is some scary secret cabal of communists who convinced millions of Ukranians to vote for President Zelenskyy, but I am skeptical until I actually see credible evidence to support your position.
Tory, I think you're a sweetheart, but you've allowed yourself to be dumbed down. For example, here an example of Creepy talking about he and Hussein dictating policy in Ukraine:
Here's the Hussein regime talking about overthrowing the Ukraine government and.... wait for it... installing the leader they want:
Tory, to say Hussein and Creepy weren't in any position to install a new Ukraine president, before Trump or after, is incredibly naive.
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 14, 2022, 11:38:43 AMHe has some nice places around the world. Let's hope he is making plans to retire to them. My personal view is he cannot continue to suffer the defeats and losses his military is experiencing.
No doubt. If things get REALLY tough, he can always kick out the Russians to whom he's renting and move in (even though he made it illegal for Ukrainians to do biz with Russians).
https://www.rt.com/russia/561929-zelensky-italy-villa-russians/
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 11:44:49 AMRather than re- litigate Mr. Wylie's service to President Trump, let's get back to the thread.
I will venture to say nobody can say for sure who is winning the invasion, but the Ukrainians are clearly winning the propoganda war in the west.
Yes we can. Russia has been and is winning. It's not even a question.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 04:54:49 PMI was referring to President Biden. I interpreted the quotation from C-Span to state President Biden got a Unkrainian prosecutor fired. That could qualify as an impeachable offence.
I wasn't suggesting President Putin be impeached.
Why wasn't Trudeau kicked out for SLC-Lavalin? It's odd that you think the people are in control in your country, or Ukraine. We're clawing back, but you guys are just too far gone.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 04:54:49 PMI was referring to President Biden. I interpreted the quotation from C-Span to state President Biden got a Unkrainian prosecutor fired. That could qualify as an impeachable offence.
I wasn't suggesting President Putin be impeached.
Corrected it for you.
Friendly reminder, Biden isnt the president. He is on video cheating.
Quote from: Solar on September 15, 2022, 04:52:10 AMThing is, it's a threat to his entire world view. Can you imagine learning that everything you ever believed in has been a lie?
That's where every liberal stands today, discovering they were nothing more than gullible tools as those they believed, are actually their enslavers.
You won't get any arguement from me about the interference of US governments in the elections of other countries. While I haven't seen any evidence of President Obama's participation in influencing the Ukrainian election, it would not surprise me that US politicians would have done so. We have examples such as Rep. Charles Wilson's (R) activity to intervene in Afghanistan, McGeorge Bundy's efforts to overthrow the government of the Dominican Republic, President Truman's agents delivering suitcases full of money to Willi Brandt, and President Kennedy's use of the CIA and the mafia to topple the conservative government of Canada and get the Liberals under Pearson elected, because Prime Minister Diefenbaker refused to arm the Canadian Armed Forces with nuclear weapons.
So, if the Democrats helped Zelenskyy beat Poroshenko, I am not surprised. Zelenskyy was going to win anyway, so I hope they didn't invest too much money into it.
BTW, we now have a new Conservative party leader who won the leadership by an incredible margin. Did the DNC have anything to do with that? :wink:
Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2022, 06:00:39 AMNo doubt. If things get REALLY tough, he can always kick out the Russians to whom he's renting and move in (even though he made it illegal for Ukrainians to do biz with Russians).
He almost was. He only came back with a minority government because the Tory leader was pretty lame. We have a new Tory leader now.
https://www.rt.com/russia/561929-zelensky-italy-villa-russians/
Back to President Putin, his close friends in the oligarchy are falling out of tall buildings, falling off their boats or, the latest, dying of a stroke during a picnic. Is somebody trying to send a message?
The Russian army still has over 10,500 tanks. If I were a betting man, I would not be putting any money on Ukraine.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 15, 2022, 12:41:17 PMBack to President Putin, his close friends in the oligarchy are falling out of tall buildings, falling off their boats or, the latest, dying of a stroke during a picnic. Is somebody trying to send a message?
Sounds like Klinton. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
QuoteThe Russian army still has over 10,500 tanks. If I were a betting man, I would not be putting any money on Ukraine.
That's been my whole point all along, and Putin has Europe by the balls, assuming they still have any.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 15, 2022, 12:28:56 PMYou won't get any arguement from me about the interference of US governments in the elections of other countries. While I haven't seen any evidence of President Obama's participation in influencing the Ukrainian election, it would not surprise me that US politicians would have done so. We have examples such as Rep. Charles Wilson's (R) activity to intervene in Afghanistan, McGeorge Bundy's efforts to overthrow the government of the Dominican Republic, President Truman's agents delivering suitcases full of money to Willi Brandt, and President Kennedy's use of the CIA and the mafia to topple the conservative government of Canada and get the Liberals under Pearson elected, because Prime Minister Diefenbaker refused to arm the Canadian Armed Forces with nuclear weapons.
So, if the Democrats helped Zelenskyy beat Poroshenko, I am not surprised. Zelenskyy was going to win anyway, so I hope they didn't invest too much money into it.
BTW, we now have a new Conservative party leader who won the leadership by an incredible margin. Did the DNC have anything to do with that? :wink:
How is it you refuse to search for what is being claimed by our side?
Why ask us to prove the obvious? It's all out there, yet you make the false claim it's a threatening site?
Spectator doesn't bite. I assure you, in fact, they're less harmful that CSPAN.
https://spectator.org/obamas-meddling-in-foreign-elections-six-examples/
Call me paranoid. I am paranoid when it comes to clicking on any link. It is a habit I picked up from work. I shy away from doing any serious research on the internet. That is what libraries are for. The internet is for entertainment. I treat anything on the internet the same way I treat television. I am skeptical of all the claims and counter claims in politics and war in the same way I am doubtful Clark Kent can fly. Yes, I have seen video claims that Russia is winning, and that Jim Rockford can be knocked unconscious 20 times with no lasting effects of concussion or this or that happened in the Ukainian election, but the video or the links could be from the GRU. There are computer wizards who can create a video of Governor Abbott doing unpleasent things to a skunk and you cannot tell it's a fake.
So, maybe President Obama did something nefarious in the Ukraine but it will take something more than something on the internet to convince me. What can I say, I have always tried to keep an open mind and the litmus test for me is a ruling in court. Just as President Trump was acquitted in his trial in the Senate and is therefore innocent, so, for me everyone is presumed innocent UNLESS proven guilty in Court.It is the way I was trained. I've slipped up sometimes but that's where I am coming from.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 15, 2022, 06:04:30 PMCall me paranoid. I am paranoid when it comes to clicking on any link. It is a habit I picked up from work. I shy away from doing any serious research on the internet. That is what libraries are for. The internet is for entertainment. I treat anything on the internet the same way I treat television. I am skeptical of all the claims and counter claims in politics and war in the same way I am doubtful Clark Kent can fly. Yes, I have seen video claims that Russia is winning, and that Jim Rockford can be knocked unconscious 20 times with no lasting effects of concussion or this or that happened in the Ukainian election, but the video or the links could be from the GRU. There are computer wizards who can create a video of Governor Abbott doing unpleasent things to a skunk and you cannot tell it's a fake.
So, maybe President Obama did something nefarious in the Ukraine but it will take something more than something on the internet to convince me. What can I say, I have always tried to keep an open mind and the litmus test for me is a ruling in court. Just as President Trump was acquitted in his trial in the Senate and is therefore innocent, so, for me everyone is presumed innocent UNLESS proven guilty in Court.It is the way I was trained. I've slipped up sometimes but that's where I am coming from.
Only a lib would find an excuse to not see the truth.
Here is the entire article, enjoy, and it was solely text. If I'm willing to click on it as are millions of other people and not suffer a single issue, then you can be assured, if I post a site, It's Fuckin Safe!!!
If this supposed paranoia continues, then you're going to be forced to find another forum, because you won't be posting here!
While the media obsess over an alleged Russian conspiracy to collude with Donald Trump to affect America's 2016 presidential election, what about Obama's interference in the elections of other countries? Most Americans have no idea that President Obama meddled in elections all over the world. And apparently, the media decided there's no reason for Americans to know about this illegal activity.
Indeed, in 2016, the Los Angeles Times did a story on how America has interfered with other nation's elections in the past, but they stopped short of mentioning the various foreign elections Obama tried to influence. But the same article reports that Obama "slapped Russia with new penalties for meddling in the U.S. Presidential election... by hacking into Democratic and Republican computer networks and selectively releasing emails." Hypocrisy check, anyone?
Since that article appeared last December, it has essentially become fake news. The Republican National Committee was never successfully hacked into and evidence is mounting that the DNC was not hacked by Russia. Not only has Wiki Leaks itself insisted Russia was not the source, but a number of cyber security experts, including McAfee antivirus developer John McAfee, disputes this. McAfee says the hack on the DNC "used a piece of malware a year and half old" and was "not an organized hack and certainly not a nation-state that did this." Moreover, the DNC has never allowed the FBI or any government agency to analyze the computers in question.
Nevertheless, Obama, operating on unconfirmed evidence, abruptly imposed new sanctions on Russia. Many observers believe he did so in order to set the stage for the left to initiate its phony Russian-Trump collusion narrative to be used to remove Trump from office or to defeat him in 2020.
Meddling in other's elections is a violation of international law. In 1965, the United Nations General Assembly reaffirmed this with a resolution stating: "No State has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal [...] affairs of any other State." And the International Court of Justice also considers such intervention to be illegal. More importantly, U.S. law prohibits the use of tax dollars to influence foreign elections.
Nevertheless, the violation of both American and international law did not stop Obama from intervening repeatedly in the elections of other nations. Moreover, most of Obama's meddling was known by many foreign correspondents and if it was reported at all, it was downplayed. Most certainly, the media did not condemn it nor drop hints about impeaching Obama.
So let's get this straight. The media is hysterical about a flimsy conspiracy theory that Russia colluded with Trump to steal the 2016 election but was mostly silent about Obama's efforts to control the outcome of elections in at least six countries during his tenure. Media bias, anyone? Let's review the examples we know about:
Kenya
Investigative reporter Jerome Corsi of WorldNetDaily broke this story when he visited Kenya and was able to confirm that Obama, as a U.S. Senator, illegally used a taxpayer-financed trip to campaign for far-left presidential candidate Raila Odinga in Kenya's 2006 elections.
Odinga, according to the BBC, was distantly related to Obama and both families belonged to the Luo tribe. Indeed, both of their fathers served in the administration of Jomo Kenyatta in the 1960s. According to a document obtained by Corsi, Odinga promised Kenya's growing Islamic movement that if elected, he would "rewrite the constitution of Kenya to recognize Sharia as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared religions." The secret agreement also called for the creation of Muslim "madrassa classes," a crackdown on Christian evangelical events and gospel programs, and legal protections for Muslims suspected of terrorism, even international terrorism.
Obama's cheerleading for anti-American Odinga (who named his son after Fidel Castro) "was more than reckless," wrote former U.S. attorney Andrew McCarthy, "it was borderline criminal (and that's being generous)." McCarthy also said Obama's intervention was an "outrageous contravention of U.S. policy and, [referring to the Logan Act] probably, federal law."
By 2010, this tribal connection resulted in President Obama quietly transferring millions of U.S. tax dollars to Odinga's government, including $2 million to convince Kenyan voters to vote for a new constitution. According to the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the new constitution would force Kenyans to be "subjected to these [Islamic] tribunals merely by virtue of what religious community they were born into..." Some members of Congress actually called for an investigation but, typically, nothing ever came of it. By the end of 2010, hundreds of millions of dollars flowed to Kenya from a myriad of U.S. agencies such as USAID, all with the likely intent of boosting the popularity of the Odinga regime.
Israel
During Israel's 2015 elections, the Obama administration — led by Secretary of State John Kerry — illegally intervened when they attempted to defeat the reelection of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by covertly funneling State Department grants to opposition groups. The Obama administration detested Netanyahu due to his refusal to cave into Palestinian demands, a group that even refused to recognize the existence of Israel.
Obama's State Department gave $350,000 to a group called the "One Voice Movement (OVM)," for supporting "peace negotiations between Israel and Palestine." However, the State Department then used leftover funds to organize an effort against Netanyahu's reelection. OVM contracted out a group called "V15," which in turned hired five campaign experts from the U.S., including Obama's field director from his last presidential campaign. As the Weekly Standard's Jim Swift wrote, "once the infrastructure was built, it was used in an attempt to topple the government of one of America's closest allies."
An investigation by the U.S. Senate found that the "State Department failed to adequately guard against the risk that resources built with government grants would be deployed for political purposes." As with most investigations of Obama scandals, emails documenting this illegal election activity were destroyed. And, as usual, no one was held accountable.
Macedonia
The government watchdog group, Judicial Watch, obtained government documents that "show the U.S. government has quietly spent millions of taxpayer dollars to destabilize the democratically elected, center-right government in Macedonia by colluding with leftwing, billionaire philanthropist George Soros." Indeed, Obama's ambassador to Macedonia, Jeff Baily, worked to funnel millions of dollars from the State Department and USAID to groups created by Soros which were, according to JW, working to overthrow the conservative government.
More details about this intervention were exposed by Victor Gaetan in a series of exposés in The American Spectator. Gaetan has confirmed that Soros, in conjuction with the Obama administration, "financed a left-wing agenda to divide the nation and bring a socialist-Muslim coalition to power." Incredibly, Obama's USAID "selected Soros' Foundation Open Society Macedonia (FOSM) to manage $2.5 million in taxpayers' dollars earmarked for oxymoronic 'democracy building,' an amount increased to $4.8 million two years later."
This funding was directed to a coalition of socialist groups that work in conjunction with the Social Democrat Union of Macedonia (SDSM), a socialist party with close ties to Soros. The intervention is, incredibly, still ongoing with the result being chaos and disruptive street demonstrations. Gaetan's investigative work also indicates that Obama's agencies intervened politically with a number of other Balkan counties, including Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania and Greece. It appears the Trump administration knows little about such interventions since many leftist Obama-appointed ambassadors continue to hold on to their positions. And USAID funds continue to pour into leftist political groups in the Balkans as if Trump never came to power. Indeed, as one Macedonia Member of Parliament quoted by Gaetan said, "Under Obama's ideological programs, it [USAID] became the super crack of the left."
Libya
In 2011, Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, not only interfered politically in Libya but militarily as well, by orchestrating a series of policies designed to remove Muammar Gaddafi from power. While it would be a stretch to call Gaddafi a U.S. ally, he was cooperating with the U.S.A. in fighting Islamic extremists and had turned over all his WMDs to American officials. Western investment was flowing into Libya, the country was becoming more westernized and, most certainly, it was no longer a threat to the USA.
As NR wrote, "all that vanished when Hillary Clinton, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice ordered the bombings that turned Libya into a terrorist paradise." One explanation for the abrupt attack on Libya was that Gaddafi was a rival to the Saudis over the leadership of the Islamic faith and since the Saudis had contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, Secretary Clinton had, as usual, a money motive to intervene in Libya.
The opposition to Gaddafi's regime was led by the Libyan Transitional National Council, whose leaders include many radical Muslims such as Abdel Hakim Belhaj. Belhaj also headed an al-Qaeda affiliate called the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), which was designated a terrorist organization by the State Department.
Nevertheless, Obama spent at least $1 billion to fund a military operation to topple Gaddafi, with American soldiers actually fighting alongside jihadist-dominated rebel groups. Moreover, the Washington Times reported that the "CIA was providing covert assistance to elements of the Transitional National Council," again, a group dominated by radical jihadists. Under Obama, Libya was transformed from a moderate Islamic regime which posed no threat to the USA, to a violent wasteland dominated by various ISIS and al-Qaeda linked militias.
Honduras
Shortly after Obama was elected, leftist Honduran president Manual Zelaya attempted to illegally amend the Honduran Constitution so as to allow himself to serve as President longer than one term. Incredibly, Zelaya and a mob broke into a military installation where blank ballots were stored and tried to hold a constitutional referendum without the support of the election authorities. As a result, on orders from the Honduran Supreme Court, he was forcefully removed from office as Honduran law calls for.
Obama attacked Zelaya's removal, falsely calling it a "coup d'état" and a WikiLeaks cable revealed that Obama backed Zelaya's reinstatement in order to please Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, who, like Fidel Castro, was an ally of Zelaya. Instead of supporting the right of Hondurans to remove their president for unconstitutional actions, Obama tried to pressure Honduras into reinstating Zelaya by freezing all non-humanitarian aid. That didn't happen and Zelaya went into exile.
Eventually, new elections were held and a new president elected, but there's little doubt that the Obama administration meddled in the Honduran political process in an effort to support the hard left in that country. Indeed, when Obama announced that he supported the return of Zelaya from exile, Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen announced "Now that everything is in place for Zelaya's return, there are no more false reasons for the Obama administration to continue its pressure tactics against those in Honduras who opposed Zelaya's attacks on their country's constitution and the rule of law."
Egypt
Like Libya, the Obama administration encouraged opposition to President Hosni Mubarak and intervened in elections to ensure that a radical Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohammed Morsi, was elected president. Obama's State Department even gave political training to MB leaders. Again, similar to Gadhafi, Mubarak was relatively secular and Egypt was becoming increasingly westernized. He was an ally of the U.S.A. and an opponent of radical jihadists.
And the Obama administration was open about its efforts. The Los Angeles Times reported that the "Obama administration said for the first time that it supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned islamist organization..." The MB's mission statement states, "Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." Sounds like a group Obama would support. Indeed, one of the Egyptian MB leaders, Gehad el-Haddad, was actually on the Clinton Foundation payroll while working to help bring the MB to power. Once Morsi appeared to win what was likely a rigged election, Obama poured in $1.5 billion in foreign aid.
The Egyptian people were so upset with Obama's intervention, they forcefully removed Morsi and installed a pro-American moderate Muslim named Abdel Fattah al-Sisi as president. Morsi was then arrested by the Egyptian military for treason. But even after that, as reported by Western Journalism, Obama's "State Department hosts Muslim Brotherhood-aligned leaders" in order to "work against this world-be reformer's government."
So there you have it. Surprisingly, a group of Senators led by Mike Lee (R-Utah) has sent a letter to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, demanding that he conduct a full scale investigation into the use of taxpayer funds to support leftist political movements around the world. As reported in the Washington Free Beacon, Senator Lee said the letter was written because "over the past few months, elected officials and political leaders of foreign nations have been coming to me with disappointing news and reports of U.S. activity in their respective countries" which included "diplomats playing political favorites, USAID funds supporting extreme and sometimes violent political activity, and the U.S. Government working to marginalize the moderates and conservatives in leadership roles."
On the House side, a group of Congressmen led by Republican Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), visited the Balkans last month to investigate such blatant political manipulation but have yet to report on their findings.
Tillerson needs to clean house and expedite the appointment of new Ambassadors before Obama holdovers do any further damage. At the very least, he should cut off all funds to foreign political groups and seriously consider prosecuting State Department/USAID employees found to be involved with illegal political activity.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 15, 2022, 06:04:30 PMCall me paranoid. I am paranoid when it comes to clicking on any link. It is a habit I picked up from work. I shy away from doing any serious research on the internet. That is what libraries are for. The internet is for entertainment. I treat anything on the internet the same way I treat television. I am skeptical of all the claims and counter claims in politics and war in the same way I am doubtful Clark Kent can fly. Yes, I have seen video claims that Russia is winning, and that Jim Rockford can be knocked unconscious 20 times with no lasting effects of concussion or this or that happened in the Ukainian election, but the video or the links could be from the GRU. There are computer wizards who can create a video of Governor Abbott doing unpleasent things to a skunk and you cannot tell it's a fake.
So, maybe President Obama did something nefarious in the Ukraine but it will take something more than something on the internet to convince me. What can I say, I have always tried to keep an open mind and the litmus test for me is a ruling in court. Just as President Trump was acquitted in his trial in the Senate and is therefore innocent, so, for me everyone is presumed innocent UNLESS proven guilty in Court.It is the way I was trained. I've slipped up sometimes but that's where I am coming from.
I'm sorry. There is nothing that you just posted that can be taken seriously. Go to the library to do your research????? Afraid of the computer???? Hate to tell you this, everything is on the internet. If you really want to research anything, it is on the internet. Granted, google censers the conservatives, that should not concern you, you're liberal, that should work to your advantage.
QuoteSo, maybe President Obama did something nefarious in the Ukraine but it will take something more than something on the internet to convince me.
Again, sorry, what you posted is again not believable. Anything that is now happening TODAY, is on the internet and nowhere else. You choose to IGNORE the facts because they are only on the internet shows YOUR stupidity, DO NOT ask us to play in your fantasy world. The facts are there, you are not claiming the source is wrong, only where it is found???????? Come on, you show us where the facts we posted were wrong. Show us where Ukraine had FREE elections with no outside influence. Show us where the facts are wrong that the dnc did not try to influence Ukraine policy. Tell us Biden did not threaten Ukraine with cutting off graft is they did not stop a investigation.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 15, 2022, 12:41:17 PMBack to President Putin, his close friends in the oligarchy are falling out of tall buildings, falling off their boats or, the latest, dying of a stroke during a picnic. Is somebody trying to send a message?
The Russian army still has over 10,500 tanks. If I were a betting man, I would not be putting any money on Ukraine.
What? Are you a conspiracy theorist?
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russias-largest-oil-producer-boosts-profits-despite-sanctions
Russia's Largest Oil Producer Boosts Profits Despite Sanctions
Quote from: taxed on September 16, 2022, 02:45:25 AMhttps://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russias-largest-oil-producer-boosts-profits-despite-sanctions
Russia's Largest Oil Producer Boosts Profits Despite Sanctions
Do a 10 year spread. Yeah, Putin's hurtin.... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Honestly, I'm enjoying the nut clamp Putin has on Europe. :biggrin:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2022, 06:27:13 AMDo a 10 year spread. Yeah, Putin's hurtin.... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Honestly, I'm enjoying the nut clamp Putin has on Europe. :biggrin:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas
Seems like just yesterday Europe was making fun of Trump for telling Europe they needs to distance themselves from Russia and become more independent. Guess they showed him. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Possum on September 16, 2022, 06:55:31 AMSeems like just yesterday Europe was making fun of Trump for telling Europe they needs to distance themselves from Russia and become more independent. Guess they showed him. :lol: :lol:
That kind of verifies the old saying, "He who laughs last laughs best!"
Quote from: Possum on September 16, 2022, 06:55:31 AMSeems like just yesterday Europe was making fun of Trump for telling Europe they needs to distance themselves from Russia and become more independent. Guess they showed him. :lol: :lol:
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Yep, I love the fact that they pulled that shit, only managing to enrich Putin.
Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. The left despises Trump, more that their enemy, who they're begging to sell them Ng.
But as far as I know, they can still buy from the US. So the truth is, they'd rather make all of the European people suffer out of spite?
This is why I say all of Europe could wind up in a civil war when they try and oust the stupid fucks. Gonna be interesting. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on September 15, 2022, 06:20:12 PMHere is the entire article, enjoy, and it was solely text.
Thank you Solar for this. The article as a whole confirms what both you and I are saying. The US interferes in other nations elections.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 15, 2022, 12:28:56 PMWe have examples such as Rep. Charles Wilson's (R) activity to intervene in Afghanistan, McGeorge Bundy's efforts to overthrow the government of the Dominican Republic, President Truman's agents delivering suitcases full of money to Willi Brandt, and President Kennedy's use of the CIA and the mafia to topple the conservative government of Canada and get the Liberals under Pearson elected, because Prime Minister Diefenbaker refused to arm the Canadian Armed Forces with nuclear weapons.
So, if the Democrats helped Zelenskyy beat Poroshenko, I am not surprised. Zelenskyy was going to win anyway, so I hope they didn't invest too much money into it.
The US has been doing this for most of its history, just like most other nations. Even Canadians have participated in trying to influence US elections. David Frum worked on President George W. Bush's successful campaign. Chris Wylie was influential in President Trump's successful campaign in 2016.
The Democrats and Republicans reciprocate by assisting the Liberals and Conservatives and even the NDP in our elections. The Soviets did it, the British, French and Chinese do it. The Russians do it as well.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 16, 2022, 10:15:42 AMThank you Solar for this. The article as a whole confirms what both you and I are saying. The US interferes in other nations elections.The US has been doing this for most of its history, just like most other nations. Even Canadians have participated in trying to influence US elections. David Frum worked on President George W. Bush's successful campaign. Chris Wylie was influential in President Trump's successful campaign in 2016.
The Democrats and Republicans reciprocate by assisting the Liberals and Conservatives and even the NDP in our elections. The Soviets did it, the British, French and Chinese do it. The Russians do it as well.
And still, you refuse to accept obozos interference in Ukraine by claiming "They All Do It" BS.
The point is, Ukraine was setup as a money laundering operation for elite politicians, Dims and RINO both.
This is why it's so important that the Uniparty destroys Trump, the only guy to ever challenge the NWO agenda.
Are you starting to see the bigger picture yet?
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 14, 2022, 08:37:17 AMI was just correcting the record. You said President Obama appointed President Zelenskyy. I noted that President Trump was in office when President Zelenskyy took office. President Obama was not in any position to install the President of the Ukraine. If you have credible evidence to the contrary, I would be interested.
In case you missed it? The entire Trump Russian Collusion hoax, was a Hillary Klinton lie.
Watch the video, and no, I seldom follow newsmax, but the interview was worth the click, watch the short video.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/special-counsel-durham-danchenko/2022/09/14/id/1087428/
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2022, 01:39:05 PMIn case you missed it? The entire Trump Russian Collusion hoax, was a Hillary Klinton lie.
I don't recall having any comment of the alleged Trump Russian Collusion.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 16, 2022, 02:20:19 PMI don't recall having any comment of the alleged Trump Russian Collusion.
Yet with the evidence the left lied about everything, you still support them. Why is that?
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2022, 06:27:13 AMDo a 10 year spread. Yeah, Putin's hurtin.... :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Honestly, I'm enjoying the nut clamp Putin has on Europe. :biggrin:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas
I think Europe is looking at this like those beach dwellers look at the ocean when the water is completely receded.
Quote from: taxed on September 17, 2022, 03:58:53 AMI think Europe is looking at this like those beach dwellers look at the ocean when the water is completely receded.
Like that moment just before a Tsunami? :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on September 17, 2022, 04:00:09 AMLike that moment just before a Tsunami? :biggrin:
Exactly! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Winter isn't very cold until it's here.
Quote from: taxed on September 17, 2022, 04:01:06 AMExactly! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Winter isn't very cold until it's here.
I've been following this very closely and it appears the plan all along was to force Europeans into accepting this as the 'New reality'. I guess like the, "You will own nothing and be happy" shit.
It's all about power...
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2022, 05:15:43 PMYet with the evidence the left lied about everything, you still support them. Why is that?
Support who, exactly?
Quote from: Solar on September 17, 2022, 07:32:24 AMYou're a leftist, you tell me!!!
If you and I get into trading insults, it will not be productive.
The leftist in question on this thread is President Putin. I do not support him. He is a Neo-socialist, a product of Yuri Andropov's KGB. Don't you find it odd that there are a few American patriots who side with a Russian Bolshevik? This is a politician that has no respect for any of the natural rights Americans take for granted. If a Russian refers to the conflict in the Ukraine as a "war", rather than the state official phrase of "special military operation," they get 14 years in prison. That is a clear lack of respect for the first amendment. It is a communist tactic. Now, granted, President Putin does have supporters on some American political forums, but do you ever ask yourself who is behind it and why?
It serves the Chinese and Russian agendas to weaken the US and NATO. A divided nation is weak. Disagreement among political parties in a free Republic is healthy, but if it becomes too bitter, the Republic suffers and the nation becomes weak.
China is not weak.
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 17, 2022, 08:10:59 AMIf you and I get into trading insults, it will not be productive.
The leftist in question on this thread is President Putin. I do not support him. He is a Neo-socialist, a product of Yuri Andropov's KGB. Don't you find it odd that there are a few American patriots who side with a Russian Bolshevik? This is a politician that has no respect for any of the natural rights Americans take for granted. If a Russian refers to the conflict in the Ukraine as a "war", rather than the state official phrase of "special military operation," they get 14 years in prison. That is a clear lack of respect for the first amendment. It is a communist tactic. Now, granted, President Putin does have supporters on some American political forums, but do you ever ask yourself who is behind it and why?
It serves the Chinese and Russian agendas to weaken the US and NATO. A divided nation is weak. Disagreement among political parties in a free Republic is healthy, but if it becomes too bitter, the Republic suffers and the nation becomes weak.
China is not weak.
Wait, a leftist is insulted for being called a leftist? That's fuckin Rich! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Your claim that he's a product of anything is your opinion only! Putin is a composite of his history, he also knows communism is a failed ideology and has stated in as much.
You fail to understand Russians, they do not respect politicians, nor law enforcement since a majority remember them from the days of Soviet op[pression, a place Putin said they will never return to.
So for you to base your opinion on media news is BS, you should know better.
The people like Putin, they love a strong leader as well. Because of Putin, they now actually have more freedoms than we do.
Don't believe me, just watch crazy Russian videos, Russians are allowed to do stupid human tricks, they are not held to our stupid laws like interfering with "Vernal" pools, or as most know them as mud puddles.
They do not have govt oppressing them, we do.!
QuoteChinese and Russian agendas to weaken the US and NATO.
Hello???? NATO is a part of the NWO, you fuckin bet it needs to be destroyed, and I hope Putin maeks it happen!
Quote from: Tory Potter on September 17, 2022, 08:10:59 AMIf you and I get into trading insults, it will not be productive.
The leftist in question on this thread is President Putin. I do not support him. He is a Neo-socialist, a product of Yuri Andropov's KGB. Don't you find it odd that there are a few American patriots who side with a Russian Bolshevik? This is a politician that has no respect for any of the natural rights Americans take for granted. If a Russian refers to the conflict in the Ukraine as a "war", rather than the state official phrase of "special military operation," they get 14 years in prison. That is a clear lack of respect for the first amendment. It is a communist tactic. Now, granted, President Putin does have supporters on some American political forums, but do you ever ask yourself who is behind it and why?
It serves the Chinese and Russian agendas to weaken the US and NATO. A divided nation is weak. Disagreement among political parties in a free Republic is healthy, but if it becomes too bitter, the Republic suffers and the nation becomes weak.
China is not weak.
The left HATES putin almost as much as trump, how can he be a leftist himself?
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