'Joe the Plumber' who confronted Obama during 2008 campaign, dead at 49
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Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, the Ohio man who became known as "Joe the Plumber" after confronting then-candidate Barack Obama during his 2008 presidential campaign, has died, his wife said. He was 49.
"Our hearts are broken. We lost a beloved husband, father, son, brother and friend. He made an impact on so many lives," his wife, Katie Wurzelbacher, said, Fox News Digital reported Monday.
Joe Wurzelbacher died Sunday after he said last month that he was diagnosed with an aggressive form of pancreatic cancer.
"My heart goes out to everyone whose lives are impacted by cancer. There are so many ups and downs but we tried to find joy in every day. He fought long and hard, but is now free from pain," his wife said. "I don't think of him as losing his battle. Because he knew Jesus, his battle was won."
Wurzelbacher, who owned a plumbing business during the 2008 campaign, came to represent middle-class Americans after his interaction with Obama at a campaign event in Toledo, Ohio. Wurzelbacher had told Obama that his tax plan would conflict with the American dream, but Obama responded by saying that the plan would spur small business growth.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/joe-plumber-who-confronted-obama-during-2008-campaign-dead-49?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tw
Was it suicide by leftism or murder by leftism?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 28, 2023, 03:26:47 PMWas it suicide by leftism or murder by leftism?
Has Establishment written all over it!
It seems pretty clear that Obama & Co. injected him with pan rearic cancer. Most likely it was added to his Covid vaccine. :rolleyes:
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, whose question to Barack Obama on the 2008 presidential campaign pushed him into the national spotlight, died Sunday, his wife confirmed to NBC News. He had pancreatic cancer and was 49.
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Last year, Wurzelbacher was diagnosed with Stage 3 pancreatic cancer following a few months of stomach issues, according to an online fundraising campaign. His wife, Katie, said in a statement Monday that he "fought long and hard, but is now free from pain."
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"My heart goes out to everyone whose lives are impacted by cancer," his wife said. "There are so many ups and downs but we tried to find joy in every day."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/joe-plumber-thrust-spotlight-confronting-obama-dies-49-rcna102182
Since the left was trying to inject everybody the last couple of years, we are going with murder by leftism.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 30, 2023, 06:32:47 AMIt seems pretty clear that Obama & Co. injected him with pan rearic cancer. Most likely it was added to his Covid vaccine. :rolleyes:
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, whose question to Barack Obama on the 2008 presidential campaign pushed him into the national spotlight, died Sunday, his wife confirmed to NBC News. He had pancreatic cancer and was 49.
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Last year, Wurzelbacher was diagnosed with Stage 3 pancreatic cancer following a few months of stomach issues, according to an online fundraising campaign. His wife, Katie, said in a statement Monday that he "fought long and hard, but is now free from pain."
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"My heart goes out to everyone whose lives are impacted by cancer," his wife said. "There are so many ups and downs but we tried to find joy in every day."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/joe-plumber-thrust-spotlight-confronting-obama-dies-49-rcna102182
The left wants everyone dead, or have you not figured that out yet?
Fuck, even your hero Schwab stated as much, that "You will own nothing, and Be happy", that more than half the world must sacrifice for the planet, to save it.
Cancer is on the rise and corporations are poisoning us with chemicals, and you don't even question anything?
You're next, oh gullible one.
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2023, 04:08:06 AMThe left wants everyone dead, or have you not figured that out yet?
Fuck, even your hero Schwab stated as much, that "You will own nothing, and Be happy", that more than half the world must sacrifice for the planet, to save it.
Cancer is on the rise and corporations are poisoning us with chemicals, and you don't even question anything?
You're next, oh gullible one.
I've never heard of Klaus Schwab until I started reading forums like this.
BTW, the Tweet that claims to have quoted doesn't exist on the WEF Twitter account...and I can't find any video of him saying it, so.....
Quote from: ZenMode on August 31, 2023, 05:31:46 AMI've never heard of Klaus Schwab until I started reading forums like this.
BTW, the Tweet that claims to have quoted doesn't exist on the WEF Twitter account...and I can't find any video of him saying it, so.....
So you couldn't take the quote "'You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy'" and find anything?
You're a tool and a liar!
Try a real search engine for a change!
https://tusksearch.com/search?q=Klaus%20Schwab%20%22You%20will%20own%20nothing%22&p=1&l=right
I found two immediately!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/leo-hohmann-shares-new-insights-klaus-schwabs-will-nothing-happy-ai-internet-things-will-control-everything-life/
And a video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EbNWpng6UBKy/
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2023, 05:53:51 AMSo you couldn't take the quote "'You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy'" and find anything?
You're a tool and a liar!
Try a real search engine for a change!
https://tusksearch.com/search?q=Klaus%20Schwab%20%22You%20will%20own%20nothing%22&p=1&l=right
I found two immediately!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/leo-hohmann-shares-new-insights-klaus-schwabs-will-nothing-happy-ai-internet-things-will-control-everything-life/
And a video.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/EbNWpng6UBKy/
I found several links just using DuckDuckGo search engine...
Quote from: VVet69 on August 31, 2023, 09:27:45 AMI found several links just using DuckDuckGo search engine...
Exactly! Even Brave had stuff on it.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 31, 2023, 05:31:46 AMI've never heard of Klaus Schwab until I started reading forums like this.
BTW, the Tweet that claims to have quoted doesn't exist on the WEF Twitter account...and I can't find any video of him saying it, so.....
Your two observations above do NOT prove that
forums like this are just "crazy conspiracy theorists."
What they prove is - how maliciously censored the "mainstream" news is!
Here's a quote to remember - because the global rulers are following this guy's game plan!
"The greater the crime perpetrated by the leadership, the less likely it is that
the people will ever believe their leaders to be capable of perpetrating such an event."
Adolf Hitler
Quote from: ZenMode on August 31, 2023, 05:31:46 AMI've never heard of Klaus Schwab until I started reading forums like this.
BTW, the Tweet that claims to have quoted doesn't exist on the WEF Twitter account...and I can't find any video of him saying it, so.....
You have probably never heard of the Rothschilds either. Look them up sometime, don't bother with the LSM for answers though.
Quote from: Possum on August 31, 2023, 06:22:35 PMYou have probably never heard of the Rothschilds either. Look them up sometime, don't bother with the LSM for answers though.
Wait, you mean the owners of the LSM? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Nah, it's a clueless fuck of a bad chat AI..
Quote from: je_freedom on August 31, 2023, 06:19:23 PMYour two observations above do NOT prove that
forums like this are just "crazy conspiracy theorists."
What they prove is - how maliciously censored the "mainstream" news is!
Here's a quote to remember - because the global rulers are following this guy's game plan!
"The greater the crime perpetrated by the leadership, the less likely it is that
the people will ever believe their leaders to be capable of perpetrating such an event."
Adolf Hitler
Correct Je, what it does prove is, these kids only get their info from leftist sites.
They've been brainwashed into believing, that any source that goes against the leftist narrative, must be a conspiracy site.
I believe were batting 100 in proving everything the left claimed is conspiracy, in fact turned out to be the truth later ion.
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2023, 06:28:42 PMWait, you mean the owners of the LSM? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Nah, it's a clueless fuck of a bad chat AI..
:lol: :lol: I bet they hate the internet. There is more truth in one day on this forum than on the LSM in the entire year. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Quote from: Possum on August 31, 2023, 06:37:05 PM:lol: :lol: I bet they hate the internet. There is more truth in one day on this forum than on the LSM in the entire year. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Sooooo Damn True!!!!
Quote from: Solar on August 31, 2023, 06:35:20 PMCorrect Je, what it does prove is, these kids only get their info from leftist sites.
They've been brainwashed into believing, that any source that goes against the leftist narrative, must be a conspiracy site.
I believe were batting 100 in proving everything the left claimed is conspiracy, in fact turned out to be the truth later ion.
Damn Solar, nailed it again. I never looked at it from that perspective, but that explains so much. Sure explains some of the view points here.
Quick edit, but come to think of it, only liberals use the term conspiracy theory. I have never heard a conservative use that term.
Quote from: Possum on August 31, 2023, 06:39:23 PMDamn Solar, nailed it again. I never looked at it from that perspective, but that explains so much. Sure explains some of the view points here.
I've actually had conversations where libs actually admit it and claim intellectual superiority, because they think they are smarter than the media.
I swear, that is an impossible point to argue against, because they believe any proof you post, proves their point. :blink: :blink: :blink: :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Possum on August 31, 2023, 06:39:23 PMQuick edit, but come to think of it, only liberals use the term conspiracy theory. I have never heard a conservative use that term.
Sean Hannity uses the term "conspiracy theory" to refer to leftist hoaxes,
like "Trump colluded with Russia!"
Quote from: je_freedom on August 31, 2023, 09:43:13 PMSean Hannity uses the term "conspiracy theory" to refer to leftist hoaxes,
like "Trump colluded with Russia!"
Yeah I remember. I should have stated that a liberal will use the term to dispute facts. A conservative will use the term to dispute lies. :thumbup:
Quote from: je_freedom on August 31, 2023, 09:43:13 PMSean Hannity uses the term "conspiracy theory" to refer to leftist hoaxes,
like "Trump colluded with Russia!"
Sean Handytity still has an audience?
That guy doesn't even know what Conservative means anymore than McConnel knows the Bill of Rights and what it means.
I'm old enough to remember "the news." You know, the newspaper, the radio and Chet Huntley and Walter Cronkite and such. That was all we had. At the time, I thought they were reporting the truth. Now I realize that it was all curated, too, just like the legacy/leftist "news" is today. And we all trusted the DOJ and CDC and so on, to uphold justice and work toward our good.
The thing that has changed is that we have the internet and cameras in every hand. Look at the collapse of Hillary at her van in 2016. Stumbles and falls and huge gaffes by Biden, the Obama chef "incident," horrifying video out of Afghanistan during the Biden pullout ... all would have been edited or suppressed. Vaccine injuries and deaths, just think if those had gone unreported in any way! But we could see it in real time and in real obituaries and real doctors speaking outside the mainstream.
In other words, the media controlled the truth then as now, but now we have ways around them.
I remember my grocery checker glued to her phone while I was checking out, something she normally never would have done. She was getting updates from her son in Afghanistan while the Biden pullout hell was going on. He said there was no order, total chaos, no vetting or search of people piling onto American busses and planes, and American soldiers were aware that any of those people could be wearing explosives that could take out the whole bus or plane. "Orderly," my ass.
I find President Trump's massive lead right now fascinating ... I do think that in 2020 more people than we realize saw the election steal happen in real time because even the legacy/leftist media couldn't hide it happening. They could suppress the truth of it afterward, but those massive vote jumps were there for all to see on the election night and still today all over the internet.
This is why they have to exercise ever greater control over us. We are indeed in an information war, but truth has a way of rising to the top of people's awareness over the noise.
RIP, Joe. We fight on.
Quote from: Rebecca on September 01, 2023, 04:47:23 AMI'm old enough to remember "the news." You know, the newspaper, the radio and Chet Huntley and Walter Cronkite and such. That was all we had. At the time, I thought they were reporting the truth. Now I realize that it was all curated, too, just like the legacy/leftist "news" is today. And we all trusted the DOJ and CDC and so on, to uphold justice and work toward our good.
The thing that has changed is that we have the internet and cameras in every hand. Look at the collapse of Hillary at her van in 2016. Stumbles and falls and huge gaffes by Biden, the Obama chef "incident," horrifying video out of Afghanistan during the Biden pullout ... all would have been edited or suppressed. Vaccine injuries and deaths, just think if those had gone unreported in any way! But we could see it in real time and in real obituaries and real doctors speaking outside the mainstream.
In other words, the media controlled the truth then as now, but now we have ways around them.
I remember my grocery checker glued to her phone while I was checking out, something she normally never would have done. She was getting updates from her son in Afghanistan while the Biden pullout hell was going on. He said there was no order, total chaos, no vetting or search of people piling onto American busses and planes, and American soldiers were aware that any of those people could be wearing explosives that could take out the whole bus or plane. "Orderly," my ass.
I find President Trump's massive lead right now fascinating ... I do think that in 2020 more people than we realize saw the election steal happen in real time because even the legacy/leftist media couldn't hide it happening. They could suppress the truth of it afterward, but those massive vote jumps were there for all to see on the election night and still today all over the internet.
This is why they have to exercise ever greater control over us. We are indeed in an information war, but truth has a way of rising to the top of people's awareness over the noise.
RIP, Joe. We fight on.
Well said Rebecca! :cool:
I think TV news channels have become more bias than ever. Even so-called "news" channels have little news broadcasting and much more opinion broadcasting, especially during primetime when most people are watching, because ratings are getting harder and harder to come by. Their opinions are skewed almost entirely in one direction because viewers want confirmation bias, not balanced opinions. CNN viewers don't want to hear about Twitter censoring Trump when he was banned. They WANT to hear about the things he said that got him banned.
Portable video devices have been great in exposing things awful behavior by some police officers. Portable video devices have been terrible because people will stand by and record someone get the shit beat out of them rather than helping because they want likes or views.
The other problem with news is that too often there's little discretion in what is accepted as news. I was reading about the ridiculous Trump stuff in Georgia and came across a video of the Detroit/TCF Center incident in 2020. A situation that was started because a random person on Twitter claimed that a cameraman rolling his stuff into the TCF Center was actually smuggling in ballots. That's all it took, even though the news person who was literally working with the cameraman also Tweeted that it was his cameraman pulling his stuff into the building.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 01, 2023, 09:58:55 AMI think TV news channels have become more bias than ever. Even so-called "news" channels have little news broadcasting and much more opinion broadcasting, especially during primetime when most people are watching, because ratings are getting harder and harder to come by. Their opinions are skewed almost entirely in one direction because viewers want confirmation bias, not balanced opinions. CNN viewers don't want to hear about Twitter censoring Trump when he was banned. They WANT to hear about the things he said that got him banned.
Portable video devices have been great in exposing things awful behavior by some police officers. Portable video devices have been terrible because people will stand by and record someone get the shit beat out of them rather than helping because they want likes or views.
The other problem with news is that too often there's little discretion in what is accepted as news. I was reading about the ridiculous Trump stuff in Georgia and came across a video of the Detroit/TCF Center incident in 2020. A situation that was started because a random person on Twitter claimed that a cameraman rolling his stuff into the TCF Center was actually smuggling in ballots. That's all it took, even though the news person who was literally working with the cameraman also Tweeted that it was his cameraman pulling his stuff into the building.
Wrong. Those with the money control what goes in the news. It has nothing to do with ratings, if it did, we would not be seeing the crap on all the stations. Ex. just look at how they all handled covid, they all had the same lies and solutions.
Quote from: Possum on September 01, 2023, 10:19:44 AMWrong. Those with the money control what goes in the news. It has nothing to do with ratings, if it did, we would not be seeing the crap on all the stations. Ex. just look at how they all handled covid, they all had the same lies and solutions.
The changes at CNN, including firing a gay black man, don't agree with your beliefs.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 01, 2023, 02:33:14 PMThe changes at CNN, including firing a gay black man, don't agree with your beliefs.
But reality does. Some do pay the price for not obeying orders. Let me ask, how has CNN changed now? They haven't, still the same old bs you find on the other stations. Tell me, which one of them covered Hunter's laptop the best? :lol: :lol: Which one told you the russian hoax was fake? :lol: :lol: Think you are getting news stories, you are getting exactly what they want you to get.
Quote from: Possum on September 01, 2023, 02:52:30 PMBut reality does. Some do pay the price for not obeying orders. Let me ask, how has CNN changed now? They haven't, still the same old bs you find on the other stations. Tell me, which one of them covered Hunter's laptop the best? :lol: :lol: Which one told you the russian hoax was fake? :lol: :lol: Think you are getting news stories, you are getting exactly what they want you to get.
Right, so your claim is true until it isn't :rolleyes:
When CNN brings in somebody new to run the company, because they're ratings and reputation are garbage, that's just another exception?
Quote from: ZenMode on September 01, 2023, 02:54:36 PMRight, so your claim is true until it isn't :rolleyes:
When CNN brings in somebody new to run the company, because they're ratings and reputation are garbage, that's just another exception?
And you think that many many people own all the different stations??? That stations change hands often?? They don't. Oh, and how many own them? How about 15. See, you can change the news casters, but the owners stay the same. You can tell the public that NOW, they will tell the truth, but the owners stay the same. By the way, where is the answer, ""Tell me, which one of them covered Hunter's laptop the best? :lol: :lol: Which one told you the russian hoax was fake? :lol: :lol:""
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/?sh=1752bf37660a
Quote from: Possum on September 01, 2023, 03:05:41 PMAnd you think that many many people own all the different stations??? That stations change hands often?? They don't. Oh, and how many own them? How about 15. See, you can change the news casters, but the owners stay the same. You can tell the public that NOW, they will tell the truth, but the owners stay the same. By the way, where is the answer, ""Tell me, which one of them covered Hunter's laptop the best? :lol: :lol: Which one told you the russian hoax was fake? :lol: :lol:""
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/?sh=1752bf37660a
I didn't say anything about who owns what. CNN hired somebody that was going to intentionally bring them more towards the center. Not only did they fire a gay black guy, but they also fired other liberal talking heads because, again, their ratings were shit and their reputation was shittier.
Does that sound like Lib money at work or free market at work?
Quote from: ZenMode on September 01, 2023, 05:04:09 PMI didn't say anything about who owns what. CNN hired somebody that was going to intentionally bring them more towards the center. Not only did they fire a gay black guy, but they also fired other liberal talking heads because, again, their ratings were shit and their reputation was shittier.
Does that sound like Lib money at work or free market at work?
And you think CNN did that on their own. Well, how high has their market share gone. :lol: How much towards center are they now? :lol: Here is a little fact of life for you, the one's you think are running it, aren't. The one who owns it, is running it. THAT is the free market, problem is, it is a liberal running it. Free market does not mean conservatives are running the show, quite the opposite, when conservatives are running it the government does everything it can to interfere, but when liberals run it, especially in the media, the liberals will cave into anything they want. Doubt me, answer these, "" Tell me, which one of them covered Hunter's laptop the best? :lol: :lol: Which one told you the russian hoax was fake? :lol: :lol:""
Don't worry, I'll help you with the answer.
There is a reason the news is biased, the owners want it that way. Anyone of the various news sources could have reported on Hunter's laptop, they didn't!!!!!!!!! Anyone of the various news sources could have come clean and told you the Russian story was fake, they didn't!!!!! Either all of the reporters and all of the mangers were stupid, inept, you can insert your own adjective, or someone above was calling the shots. What are your thoughts? :lol:
Quote from: Possum on September 01, 2023, 06:08:23 PMAnd you think CNN did that on their own. Well, how high has their market share gone. :lol: How much towards center are they now? :lol: Here is a little fact of life for you, the one's you think are running it, aren't. The one who owns it, is running it. THAT is the free market, problem is, it is a liberal running it. Free market does not mean conservatives are running the show, quite the opposite, when conservatives are running it the government does everything it can to interfere, but when liberals run it, especially in the media, the liberals will cave into anything they want. Doubt me, answer these, "" Tell me, which one of them covered Hunter's laptop the best? :lol: :lol: Which one told you the russian hoax was fake? :lol: :lol:""
Don't worry, I'll help you with the answer.
There is a reason the news is biased, the owners want it that way. Anyone of the various news sources could have reported on Hunter's laptop, they didn't!!!!!!!!! Anyone of the various news sources could have come clean and told you the Russian story was fake, they didn't!!!!! Either all of the reporters and all of the mangers were stupid, inept, you can insert your own adjective, or someone above was calling the shots. What are your thoughts? :lol:
Right. So, as I've been saying....
If you watch specific news channels, you are guaranteed to get liberal opinions the VAST majority of the time. If you watch specific other news channels, you are going to get conservative opinions the VAST majority of the time.
Fox fired Tucker and the guy who took his place, who claims to be a libertarian or centrist, is saying things that sound very familiar to Tucker. Why? Because if he started talking like Anderson Cooper, he'd be fired in a matter of weeks due to a lack of ratings.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 02, 2023, 06:35:56 AMRight. So, as I've been saying....
If you watch specific news channels, you are guaranteed to get liberal opinions the VAST majority of the time. If you watch specific other news channels, you are going to get conservative opinions the VAST majority of the time.
Fox fired Tucker and the guy who took his place, who claims to be a libertarian or centrist, is saying things that sound very familiar to Tucker. Why? Because if he started talking like Anderson Cooper, he'd be fired in a matter of weeks due to a lack of ratings.
Tucker was not fired due to lack of ratings. You are showing you do not understand what is going on.
Quote from: Possum on September 02, 2023, 09:32:33 AMTucker was not fired due to lack of ratings. You are showing you do not understand what is going on.
I never said that Tucker was fired due to ratings. What I'm saying is that if his replacement started talking like Anderson Cooper, he'd be out of a job in no time because the standard Fox viewer wouldn't watch his show.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 02, 2023, 09:50:10 AMI never said that Tucker was fired due to ratings. What I'm saying is that if his replacement started talking like Anderson Cooper, he'd be out of a job in no time because the standard Fox viewer wouldn't watch his show.
The standard fox viewer had nothing to do with Tucker getting fired. You are not paying attention.
Quote from: Possum on September 02, 2023, 09:58:09 AMThe standard fox viewer had nothing to do with Tucker getting fired. You are not paying attention.
second try.. I never said Tucker was fired because of Fox viewers or ratings.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 02, 2023, 10:10:20 AMsecond try.. I never said Tucker was fired because of Fox viewers or ratings.
No, you went from posting that CNN was firing people to increase ratings and then stated Fox fired Tucker. I replied that Tuckers firing had noting to do with ratings. You then stated that his replacement would be fired if nobody watched his show, I responded that was not the reason TUCKER WAS FIRED EITHER. Right now, you do not have a point other than what I said. Care to clarify or just move on?
Quote from: Possum on September 02, 2023, 11:34:50 AMNo, you went from posting that CNN was firing people to increase ratings and then stated Fox fired Tucker. I replied that Tuckers firing had noting to do with ratings. You then stated that his replacement would be fired if nobody watched his show, I responded that was not the reason TUCKER WAS FIRED EITHER. Right now, you do not have a point other than what I said. Care to clarify or just move on?
My point was that so-called news channels have more opinion than anything and news channels are concerned with ratings more than accuracy. This was all clear in our exchange going back to the previous page.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 02, 2023, 02:03:26 PMMy point was that so-called news channels have more opinion than anything and news channels are concerned with ratings more than accuracy. This was all clear in our exchange going back to the previous page.
Which news channel do you think is concerned with ratings? :lol: :lol: :lol: Fox had the highest rated show and they fired him. The rest are in the toilet. :lol: :lol:
It's all about getting their agenda out there. Why do you think they spend so much time telling lies????? Why do they not tell the truth? You are going to tell me it is for the ratings?? When they ALL have the same message??? IT'S ABOUT THE AGENDA!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Possum on September 02, 2023, 02:21:59 PMWhich news channel do you think is concerned with ratings? :lol: :lol: :lol: Fox had the highest rated show and they fired him. The rest are in the toilet. :lol: :lol:
It's all about getting their agenda out there. Why do you think they spend so much time telling lies????? Why do they not tell the truth? You are going to tell me it is for the ratings?? When they ALL have the same message??? IT'S ABOUT THE AGENDA!!!!!!!!
they're all concerned with ratings. They may not be only concerned with ratings, particularly when you're trying to settle a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit, but ratings = money. Viewers = ratings. You have a better chance of getting viewers when you have biased programming.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 02, 2023, 02:31:26 PMthey're all concerned with ratings. They may not be only concerned with ratings, particularly when you're trying to settle a 1.6 billion dollar lawsuit, but ratings = money. Viewers = ratings. You have a better chance of getting viewers when you have biased programming.
Really, the lowest marks ALL of the news programs is in trustworthiness. If they were concerned about ratings they would be working on that. They aren't. How many of them are blowing the lid wide open on the Biden scandals? How many are talking about the disaster on the border? Where is the focus on all of the vacation time Biden is taking? What I do hear is how many indictments on Trump, who by the way, 59% of all republicans want to see him as the party nominee now. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Quote from: Possum on September 02, 2023, 02:43:38 PMReally, the lowest marks ALL of the news programs is in trustworthiness. If they were concerned about ratings they would be working on that. They aren't. How many of them are blowing the lid wide open on the Biden scandals? How many are talking about the disaster on the border? Where is the focus on all of the vacation time Biden is taking? What I do hear is how many indictments on Trump, who by the way, 59% of all republicans want to see him as the party nominee now. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Forgot the link, https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/09/02/trumps-primary-lead-just-doubled-spelling-trouble-for-primary-opponents-and-biden-n2163364#google_vignette
QuoteThe new survey finds that what was once a two-man race for the nomination has collapsed into a lopsided contest in which Trump, for now, has no formidable challenger. The former president is the top choice of 59% of GOP primary voters, up 11 percentage points since April, when the Journal tested a slightly different field of potential and declared candidates.
QuoteTrump's lead over his top rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, has nearly doubled since April to 46 percentage points. At 13% support, DeSantis is barely ahead of the rest of the field, none of whom has broken out of single-digit support.
46 points ahead of number two!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Possum on September 02, 2023, 02:43:38 PMReally, the lowest marks ALL of the news programs is in trustworthiness. If they were concerned about ratings they would be working on that.
Of course. People on the right left and center all have news stations they can point to and say they are not trustworthy. There are 330 million people in the US. Yes, many of them are children who don't watch the news, but even the most popular shows on Fox or CNN only got a few million fewers. Fox, CNN and MSNBC don't try to be neutral. They try to get a core base of viewers to tune in consistently And we both know which political party those three stations cater their content to.
QuoteThey aren't. How many of them are blowing the lid wide open on the Biden scandals? How many are talking about the disaster on the border? Where is the focus on all of the vacation time Biden is taking? What I do hear is how many indictments on Trump, who by the way, 59% of all republicans want to see him as the party nominee now. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
The right leaning stations are covering the Biden situation a lot. The left leaning stations are not. The right-leaning stations know what their viewers want to see and the left leaning stations no what their viewers don't want to see.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 06:00:14 AMOf course. People on the right left and center all have news stations they can point to and say they are not trustworthy. There are 330 million people in the US. Yes, many of them are children who don't watch the news, but even the most popular shows on Fox or CNN only got a few million fewers. Fox, CNN and MSNBC don't try to be neutral. They try to get a core base of viewers to tune in consistently And we both know which political party those three stations cater their content to.The right leaning stations are covering the Biden situation a lot. The left leaning stations are not. The right-leaning stations know what their viewers want to see and the left leaning stations no what their viewers don't want to see.
So we can say with certainty, that lefties are gullible fools who have been brainwashed into believing what the left has been lying about with impunity, has locked a portion of the viewing public into hating any and all opposing views.
There is the truth, and there is liberal bullshit being spewed that is destroying the country.
That's the truth, so deal with it!
Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 06:00:14 AMOf course. People on the right left and center all have news stations they can point to and say they are not trustworthy. There are 330 million people in the US. Yes, many of them are children who don't watch the news, but even the most popular shows on Fox or CNN only got a few million fewers. Fox, CNN and MSNBC don't try to be neutral. They try to get a core base of viewers to tune in consistently And we both know which political party those three stations cater their content to.The right leaning stations are covering the Biden situation a lot. The left leaning stations are not. The right-leaning stations know what their viewers want to see and the left leaning stations no what their viewers don't want to see.
Wrong. The left leaning stations are lying to put their agenda front and center. The fact that there are so few who watch the news should tell you they do not care about ratings near as much as they care about the lies they tell you. If it was about ratings why did CNN, MSNBC, ETC. not go after Tucker????
What's a right leaning news station? :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Possum on September 03, 2023, 06:49:46 AMWrong. The left leaning stations are lying to put their agenda front and center. The fact that there are so few who watch the news should tell you they do not care about ratings near as much as they care about the lies they tell you. If it was about ratings why did CNN, MSNBC, ETC. not go after Tucker????
What's a right leaning news station? :lol: :lol:
News stations have to make money. They pay a lot of money to their on-air personalities. Ray Charles could see the difference in coverage between CNN, MSNBC and Fox. Are you saying you can't see the difference in how and what they cover?
Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 07:12:59 AMNews stations have to make money.
FOX NEWS Makes More Money Than CNN, MSNBC, And NBC-ABC-And-CBS News Combined. https://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-fox-newss-700-million-man-2010-1
Well, if was about profit, why would everyone but Fox be sticking to their left wing bias? Because it is about an agenda. Same story as the ratings, left wing lies are more important than the truth.
QuoteThey pay a lot of money to their on-air personalities.
So? Movie actors are paid a lot also to play pretend. Neither has anything to do with the truth. If you had a point there, I missed it, maybe you can try again.
QuoteRay Charles could see the difference in coverage between CNN, MSNBC and Fox.
Pretty cruel joke if that was your intention. No, he can not see the difference.
QuoteAre you saying you can't see the difference in how and what they cover?
I have been pretty blunt on what I think of all the news stations. But lets see if you can tell what you see as the difference. Between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. which one researched the Russian "collusion" story and broke out that it was fake from the beginning? Which one jumped on the discovery of Hunter's laptop which incriminates Biden as corrupt and ran with the news AS IT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE ELECTION? Which one of them is demanding Epstein's client list and publishing it? IMHO, there are far more ways these "news stations" are similar than there are ways they are different. Like I said, it's all about the agenda, not the truth.
Quote from: Possum on September 03, 2023, 08:19:34 AMFOX NEWS Makes More Money Than CNN, MSNBC, And NBC-ABC-And-CBS News Combined. https://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-fox-newss-700-million-man-2010-1
Well, if was about profit, why would everyone but Fox be sticking to their left wing bias? Because it is about an agenda. Same story as the ratings, left wing lies are more important than the truth.
All 3 stations lie, misrepresent are obviously biased with how and what they cover. The fact that they aren't all equal in their ability to make a profit doesn't mean that their goal is not to make a profit. There are many factors that go into decisions on content. It's safe to say that Fox could not become MSNBC and vice versa without completely losing their audience, so they choose to stay with what is making them money. Kia may not be as profitable as Lexus, but that doesn't mean that Kia is going to completely change their business model and start making pet supplies.
QuoteSo? Movie actors are paid a lot also to play pretend. Neither has anything to do with the truth. If you had a point there, I missed it, maybe you can try again.
My point is that you have to make money to be able to pay beyond air talent.
QuotePretty cruel joke if that was your intention. No, he can not see the difference.
I have been pretty blunt on what I think of all the news stations. But lets see if you can tell what you see as the difference. Between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. which one researched the Russian "collusion" story and broke out that it was fake from the beginning? Which one jumped on the discovery of Hunter's laptop which incriminates Biden as corrupt and ran with the news AS IT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE ELECTION? Which one of them is demanding Epstein's client list and publishing it? IMHO, there are far more ways these "news stations" are similar than there are ways they are different. Like I said, it's all about the agenda, not the truth.
I have already stated that all three new stations customize their coverage to appeal to their core audience. Whether or not you see one side or the other as lying depends on which side you are currently on. I see lies, bias and dishonesty on all three of them. If you are a hardcore Fox viewer, you will likely only see the lies and dishonesty from CNN and MSNBC.
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Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 07:12:59 AMNews stations have to make money. They pay a lot of money to their on-air personalities. Ray Charles could see the difference in coverage between CNN, MSNBC and Fox. Are you saying you can't see the difference in how and what they cover?
The left has no issue destroying their own media as long as they control the narrative. It's a cost they are willing to bare.
How is it you don't understand, that this is crony capitalism as it's being abused by just a handful of Marxists?
Ratings don't mean shit to these people, they own the entire line of leftist media, from TV to magazines and everything in between.
Man, you are such a small thinker!
Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 09:11:47 AMAll 3 stations lie, misrepresent are obviously biased with how and what they cover. The fact that they aren't all equal in their ability to make a profit doesn't mean that their goal is not to make a profit.
Ok, how do you know what their goal is? I've given you several examples that show you the goal is to push their agenda. I have asked you questions which would help you to see that but you refuse to answer.
QuoteThere are many factors that go into decisions on content. It's safe to say that Fox could not become MSNBC and vice versa without completely losing their audience, so they choose to stay with what is making them money.
Bull shit! If the goal was profit then the easiest way for Cnn, Msnbc to make more would be to change away from the extreme leftism they are reporting. They will not change that because that is their agenda to push. Just like Obama spoke about transforming this country, they are carrying the banner and the truth be damned.
QuoteKia may not be as profitable as Lexus, but that doesn't mean that Kia is going to completely change their business model and start making pet supplies. My point is that you have to make money to be able to pay beyond air talent
Why always the strawmen? Try using something with substance for once.
Quote. I have already stated that all three new stations customize their coverage to appeal to their core audience. Whether or not you see one side or the other as lying depends on which side you are currently on. I see lies, bias and dishonesty on all three of them. If you are a hardcore Fox viewer, you will likely only see the lies and dishonesty from CNN and MSNBC
Where in ANYTHING I have posted can you get the idea I actually think one of them is honest? I do not even think one of them is conservative. Your damn right they all lie. The million dollar question is why. If they are lying obviously it is not to get the truth out. If they are simple changes they could make to increase profit, why don't they? have you not noticed the more they push their liberal leftist woke crap the more profits go down? And not just for the news stations but for businesses as well? So why do they continue to do it??
Quote from: Possum on September 03, 2023, 02:16:43 PMOk, how do you know what their goal is? I've given you several examples that show you the goal is to push their agenda. I have asked you questions which would help you to see that but you refuse to answer.
Because they're a business, not a non-profit organization. Because they sell advertising. Because they negotiated contracts with on-air talent. Because they actually made a profit every year for decades, which doesn't happen by accident.
QuoteBull shit! If the goal was profit then the easiest way for Cnn, Msnbc to make more would be to change away from the extreme leftism they are reporting. They will not change that because that is their agenda to push. Just like Obama spoke about transforming this country, they are carrying the banner and the truth be damned.
Yes. CNN, like MSNBC, Food Network, ESPN etc, has chosen to not be a right-leaning news outlet like Fox. Every station makes a choice about content. That's how TV channels work.
QuoteWhy always the strawmen? Try using something with substance for once.
Where in ANYTHING I have posted can you get the idea I actually think one of them is honest? I do not even think one of them is conservative. Your damn right they all lie. The million dollar question is why. If they are lying obviously it is not to get the truth out. If they are simple changes they could make to increase profit, why don't they? have you not noticed the more they push their liberal leftist woke crap the more profits go down? And not just for the news stations but for businesses as well? So why do they continue to do it??
CNN generally makes over a billion a year. But, that has nothing to do with the fact that they all lie, misrepresent, etc to keep their audience coming back, just as Fox does....and that was the point I've been trying to make which you keep trying to divert from.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 01:34:04 AMBecause they're a business, not a non-profit organization. Because they sell advertising. Because they negotiated contracts with on-air talent. Because they actually made a profit every year for decades, which doesn't happen by accident.
That does not prove their main goal is profit. It is not.
QuoteYes. CNN, like MSNBC, Food Network, ESPN etc, has chosen to not be a right-leaning news outlet like Fox. Every station makes a choice about content.
And obviously that choice is not based on what makes the most profit. You know you are proving my point.
QuoteThat's how TV channels work.CNN generally makes over a billion a year. But, that has nothing to do with the fact that they all lie, misrepresent, etc to keep their audience coming back, just as Fox does....and that was the point I've been trying to make which you keep trying to divert from.
Here is where you keep going off the tracks. They are not lying to keep the audience coming back. They are losing viewers year after year, ratings keep getting lower. They are lying to forward their agenda. They did not push the Russia collusion story for two years, knowing it was a lie, to gather ratings. They did it to hurt Trump. They did not keep a lid on the discovery of Hunter's laptop to increase ratings, they did it to help biden. The list goes on, increases daily, it is all to forward an agenda. Had you answered the questions I asked you would have seen that.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 01:34:04 AMBecause they're a business, not a non-profit organization. Because they sell advertising. Because they negotiated contracts with on-air talent. Because they actually made a profit every year for decades, which doesn't happen by accident.
Yes. CNN, like MSNBC, Food Network, ESPN etc, has chosen to not be a right-leaning news outlet like Fox. Every station makes a choice about content. That's how TV channels work.CNN generally makes over a billion a year. But, that has nothing to do with the fact that they all lie, misrepresent, etc to keep their audience coming back, just as Fox does....and that was the point I've been trying to make which you keep trying to divert from.
Why do you think the left created the ESG score? These media Co's are not about profit, they are about the Marxist agenda, and until you get that through your head, nothing will ever balance out where leftist industry is concerned.
You have to step outside the box to actually see what's in it.
Not a one of the Corp's make real money, it is all a Ponzi scheme of reshuffling the deck in their favor.
Again, there is but one explanation for your ignorant posts, you are either covering for commies, or actually this stupid!
Dude, no one is buying your bull shit! And go ahead and ignore this post like all the others, but everyone know you're just a Marxist Tool!
Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 04:19:21 AMThat does not prove their main goal is profit. It is not.
You aren't a mind reader. Neither of us can know what goes on in the minds of CNN leadership. When CNN launched as the first 24 hour news channel, "left" what they were. They have gotten themselves into their current position with a largely left-leaning audience and, that being the case, they absolutely cater their content to feed that base audience and keep them coming back. Fox does EXACTLY the same thing, they just happen to be more successful. If CNN was LOSING a billion a year, they would not exist long because, AGAIN, they are a business first and are always looking for ways to make more money. They launched CNN+. WHY? Because other streaming services have been very successful and they believed they could MAKE MORE MONEY with a streaming service.
If CNN intentionally went right, they would be basically starting from scratch because they would lose their audience. If Fox went left, the same would be true. No company is going to intentionally wreck their business.
QuoteAnd obviously that choice is not based on what makes the most profit. You know you are proving my point.
As I said above, a dramatic change to the right would ruin their business. They brought in Licht looking for new ideas to grow their viewers, but he wouldn't would do something that is the equivalent to burning the business to the ground. Under Licht, CNN recently tried to go more toward the center and it didn't go well. According to reports, revenue was down nearly 40%:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/06/08/in-first-four-months-of-2023-cnns-ad-revenue-has-dropped-39/
QuoteHere is where you keep going off the tracks. They are not lying to keep the audience coming back. They are losing viewers year after year, ratings keep getting lower. They are lying to forward their agenda. They did not push the Russia collusion story for two years, knowing it was a lie, to gather ratings.
CNN learned that ANYTHING "Trump" was going to increase ratings. They went back to that well again and again and again. So did Fox's talking heads. Megyn Kelly has discussed the impact on journalism, from chasing Trump ratings, many times, including in her podcast.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news-media
QuoteThey did it to hurt Trump. They did not keep a lid on the discovery of Hunter's laptop to increase ratings, they did it to help biden. The list goes on, increases daily, it is all to forward an agenda. Had you answered the questions I asked you would have seen that.
Yes, covering Trump got ratings. Members of the left, who benefitted from it because of viewers, ratings, clicks, etc have talked about whether or not their negative coverage actually HELPED get Trump elected.
But, the fact remains that all news channels lie, misrepresent and cater content to keep their audience coming back for more.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 08:04:08 AMYou aren't a mind reader. Neither of us can know what goes on in the minds of CNN leadership. When CNN launched as the first 24 hour news channel, "left" what they were. They have gotten themselves into their current position with a largely left-leaning audience and, that being the case, they absolutely cater their content to feed that base audience and keep them coming back. Fox does EXACTLY the same thing, they just happen to be more successful. If CNN was LOSING a billion a year, they would not exist long because, AGAIN, they are a business first and are always looking for ways to make more money. They launched CNN+. WHY? Because other streaming services have been very successful and they believed they could MAKE MORE MONEY with a streaming service.
If CNN intentionally went right, they would be basically starting from scratch because they would lose their audience. If Fox went left, the same would be true. No company is going to intentionally wreck their business. As I said above, a dramatic change to the right would ruin their business. They brought in Licht looking for new ideas to grow their viewers, but he wouldn't would do something that is the equivalent to burning the business to the ground. Under Licht, CNN recently tried to go more toward the center and it didn't go well. According to reports, revenue was down nearly 40%:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/06/08/in-first-four-months-of-2023-cnns-ad-revenue-has-dropped-39/
CNN learned that ANYTHING "Trump" was going to increase ratings. They went back to that well again and again and again. So did Fox's talking heads. Megyn Kelly has discussed the impact on journalism, from chasing Trump ratings, many times, including in her podcast.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news-media Yes, covering Trump got ratings. Members of the left, who benefitted from it because of viewers, ratings, clicks, etc have talked about whether or not their negative coverage actually HELPED get Trump elected.
But, the fact remains that all news channels lie, misrepresent and cater content to keep their audience coming back for more.
Your whole post shows you know nothing about nothing. The stations, for two years, repeated the lie about the Russian collusion, lied about Trump, preached Trump was going down, in order to advance their agenda. Period. Learn it.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 08:04:08 AMYou aren't a mind reader. Neither of us can know what goes on in the minds of CNN leadership. When CNN launched as the first 24 hour news channel, "left" what they were. They have gotten themselves into their current position with a largely left-leaning audience and, that being the case, they absolutely cater their content to feed that base audience and keep them coming back. Fox does EXACTLY the same thing, they just happen to be more successful. If CNN was LOSING a billion a year, they would not exist long because, AGAIN, they are a business first and are always looking for ways to make more money. They launched CNN+. WHY? Because other streaming services have been very successful and they believed they could MAKE MORE MONEY with a streaming service.
If CNN intentionally went right, they would be basically starting from scratch because they would lose their audience. If Fox went left, the same would be true. No company is going to intentionally wreck their business. As I said above, a dramatic change to the right would ruin their business. They brought in Licht looking for new ideas to grow their viewers, but he wouldn't would do something that is the equivalent to burning the business to the ground. Under Licht, CNN recently tried to go more toward the center and it didn't go well. According to reports, revenue was down nearly 40%:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/06/08/in-first-four-months-of-2023-cnns-ad-revenue-has-dropped-39/
CNN learned that ANYTHING "Trump" was going to increase ratings. They went back to that well again and again and again. So did Fox's talking heads. Megyn Kelly has discussed the impact on journalism, from chasing Trump ratings, many times, including in her podcast.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news-media Yes, covering Trump got ratings. Members of the left, who benefitted from it because of viewers, ratings, clicks, etc have talked about whether or not their negative coverage actually HELPED get Trump elected.
But, the fact remains that all news channels lie, misrepresent and cater content to keep their audience coming back for more.
I see you completely ignored my factual post. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 11:25:48 AMYour whole post shows you know nothing about nothing. The stations, for two years, repeated the lie about the Russian collusion, lied about Trump, preached Trump was going down, in order to advance their agenda. Period. Learn it.
No shit. Of course they did! That's what I've been saying. It's all about ratings and catering to your base audience. It's not about honesty and objectivity.
Welcome to the first post in our discussion. You just proved my point. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 04:05:43 PMNo shit. Of course they did! That's what I've been saying. It's all about ratings and catering to your base audience. It's not about honesty and objectivity.
Welcome to the first post in our discussion. You just proved my point. :rolleyes:
They are a news company, they lied for two years, they threw their reputations, which is the most important aspect a news station can have, out the window. Every since, their viewership has gone down. And YOU think they did it for ratings? You are hilarious. THEY ARE PUSHING A DAMN AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!! The only part you have got right is it is not about honesty and objectivity. It is about pushing the leftist lie, transforming this country, PUSHING THEIR AGENDA!!
They will lie about everything to keep TRUMP out of office, that is not for ratings, that is their goal. Damn, you lie as much as they do.
Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 04:30:14 PMThey are a news company, they lied for two years, they threw their reputations, which is the most important aspect a news station can have, out the window.
Yes, because the most profitable talking heads, like Anderson Cooper, aren't news, they're opinion.
QuoteEvery since, their viewership has gone down. And YOU think they did it for ratings? You are hilarious. THEY ARE PUSHING A DAMN AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!! The only part you have got right is it is not about honesty and objectivity. It is about pushing the leftist lie, transforming this country, PUSHING THEIR AGENDA!! They will lie about everything to keep TRUMP out of office, that is not for ratings, that is their goal. Damn, you lie as much as they do.
Again Fox rode the Trump ratings bonanza. Megyn Kelly was very open about it. Trump was easy ratings.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 05:26:29 PMYes, because the most profitable talking heads, like Anderson Cooper, aren't news, they're opinion.Again Fox rode the Trump ratings bonanza. Megyn Kelly was very open about it. Trump was easy ratings.
You just said nothing. As always.
Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 06:01:22 PMYou just said nothing. As always.
I can only say the same thing in so many different ways. Fox, CNN and NBC all lie. They all misrepresent and they all skew their content to cater to certain political beliefs. All that Trump did was make that even more obvious because he was a ratings gold mine.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 06:07:48 PMI can only say the same thing in so many different ways. Fox, CNN and NBC all lie. They all misrepresent and they all skew their content to cater to certain political beliefs. All that Trump did was make that even more obvious because he was a ratings gold mine.
You miss the point, again, the lies are to keep Trump out of the white house. It's not about the ratings, it's about the agenda. Period. Maybe it's time you stop saying the same old crap in different ways and start doing some research.
Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 06:21:39 PMYou miss the point, again, the lies are to keep Trump out of the white house. It's not about the ratings, it's about the agenda. Period. Maybe it's time you stop saying the same old crap in different ways and start doing some research.
It's both. CNN talking heads want ratings and want to keep Trump out of the White House. Fox talking heads want ratings and want to keep Trump in the White House. If Trump ends up not being the nominee, Fox will want to get whoever the Republican nominee is into the White House and CNN will want to keep Biden in the White House , Because that's what their viewers want to hear.
Anderson Cooper doesn't make $15 million a year because he has an attractive face.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 06:29:28 PMIt's both. CNN talking heads want ratings and want to keep Trump out of the White House. Fox talking heads want ratings and want to keep Trump in the White House. If Trump ends up not being the nominee, Fox will want to get whoever the Republican nominee is into the White House and CNN will want to keep Biden in the White House , Because that's what their viewers want to hear.
Anderson Cooper doesn't make $15 million a year because he has an attractive face.
If Anderson Cooper did not push the agenda he would booted just like the highest rated newscaster Fox had. It is not about the ratings, it is about the agenda.
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 04:20:37 AMIf Anderson Cooper did not push the agenda he would booted just like the highest rated newscaster Fox had. It is not about the ratings, it is about the agenda.
That's your opinion, not a fact.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 05:14:29 AMThat's your opinion, not a fact.
Did Tucker get fired, or was that an opinion?
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 05:23:28 AMDid Tucker get fired, or was that an opinion?
Tucker got fired As part of a settlement because his lies cost his employer 3/4 of a billion dollars, Not because of readings or because he was pushing a left-wing agenda.
You cannot possibly know that Anderson Cooper would be fired from CNN if he wasn't pushing a liberal agenda.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 05:43:01 AMTucker got fired As part of a settlement because his lies cost his employer 3/4 of a billion dollars, Not because of readings or because he was pushing a left-wing agenda.
But you claim they lie to promote ratings, which is it??
QuoteYou cannot possibly know that Anderson Cooper would be fired from CNN if he wasn't pushing a liberal agenda.
No, but I can look and see what IS going on, something you can't see. It's all about the agenda.
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 06:00:35 AMBut you claim they lie to promote ratings, which is it??
It's obviously both. This isn't the first a talking head has gotten their employer in trouble. Remember Nick Sandman?
QuoteNo, but I can look and see what IS going on, something you can't see. It's all about the agenda.
Again, all 3 cable news channels have an agenda. You have no way of backing up your claim.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 06:25:20 AMAgain, all 3 cable news channels have an agenda. You have no way of backing up your claim.
He clearly supported his claim when he showed you who own all these media Co's, they have an agenda.
Do some research, they are all aligned with Schwabs (NWO) WEF agenda. And you think they care about rating? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2023, 06:42:15 AMHe clearly supported his claim when he showed you who own all these media Co's, they have an agenda.
Do some research, they are all aligned with Schwabs (NWO) WEF agenda. And you think they care about rating? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
he claimed that someone like Anderson Cooper would be fired for not pushing a left agenda on his show. He has provided absolutely no proof of that.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 06:25:20 AMIt's obviously both. This isn't the first a talking head has gotten their employer in trouble. Remember Nick Sandman? Again, all 3 cable news channels have an agenda. You have no way of backing up your claim.
My claim was that they all had an agenda. what you fail to realize is that agenda comes BEFORE ratings. Msnbc, Cnn, and whoever the other one is, will never become Trump backers, will never tell the truth, because their agenda comes first. Those who own them have enough money to burn. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you really think the owners are COUNTING on those profits to make ends meet? They are pushing an agenda. Learn it.
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 07:21:47 AMMy claim was that they all had an agenda. what you fail to realize is that agenda comes BEFORE ratings.
That's your opinion, not a fact.
QuoteMsnbc, Cnn, and whoever the other one is, will never become Trump backers, will never tell the truth, because their agenda comes first.
Right, MSNBC, CNN,Fox, etc all cater their content to their audience. CNN/MSNBC have a liberal audience, so they say things that liberals want ot hear, i.e. negative things about Trump, Republicans, etc. Fox has a conservative audience, so their talking heads focus on positive things about Trump, Republicans, etc.
QuoteThose who own them have enough money to burn. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you really think the owners are COUNTING on those profits to make ends meet? They are pushing an agenda. Learn it.
Yes, because they run a business, not a non-profit. Even though everyone on CNN may "talk" liberal, CNN still makes changes to try to bring in MORE viewers because more viewers means you can charge more for advertising and charging more for advertising means the company makes more money. CNN+ wasn't needed to get a liberal message out. CNN's cable news channel does that, but streaming services have been very profitable for some companies, so CNN thought it might be profitable for them.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 07:43:55 AMThat's your opinion, not a fact.
Right, MSNBC, CNN,Fox, etc all cater their content to their audience. CNN/MSNBC have a liberal audience, so they say things that liberals want ot hear, i.e. negative things about Trump, Republicans, etc. Fox has a conservative audience, so their talking heads focus on positive things about Trump, Republicans, etc. Yes, because they run a business, not a non-profit. Even though everyone on CNN may "talk" liberal, CNN still makes changes to try to bring in MORE viewers because more viewers means you can charge more for advertising and charging more for advertising means the company makes more money. CNN+ wasn't needed to get a liberal message out. CNN's cable news channel does that, but streaming services have been very profitable for some companies, so CNN thought it might be profitable for them.
All bull shit.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 07:43:55 AMThat's your opinion, not a fact.
Right, MSNBC, CNN,Fox, etc all cater their content to their audience. CNN/MSNBC have a liberal audience, so they say things that liberals want ot hear, i.e. negative things about Trump, Republicans, etc. Fox has a conservative audience, so their talking heads focus on positive things about Trump, Republicans, etc. Yes, because they run a business, not a non-profit. Even though everyone on CNN may "talk" liberal, CNN still makes changes to try to bring in MORE viewers because more viewers means you can charge more for advertising and charging more for advertising means the company makes more money. CNN+ wasn't needed to get a liberal message out. CNN's cable news channel does that, but streaming services have been very profitable for some companies, so CNN thought it might be profitable for them.
You have repeated time after time that CNN, MSNBC lie to cater to their audience. Can they not tell the truth and cater to them? Why lie for two years on the same story? Why do they lie instead of telling the truth if it is not because of their pushing an agenda? Almost EVERYTHING you say, supports what I have posted. The bull shit starts when you try to justify their lying by saying it is for ratings.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 06:59:08 AMhe claimed that someone like Anderson Cooper would be fired for not pushing a left agenda on his show. He has provided absolutely no proof of that.
Did I even mention that Shit?
Start addressing what is written, or you and your strawman will meet the Pyre!
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 08:23:23 AMYou have repeated time after time that CNN, MSNBC lie to cater to their audience. Can they not tell the truth and cater to them? Why lie for two years on the same story? Why do they lie instead of telling the truth if it is not because of their pushing an agenda? Almost EVERYTHING you say, supports what I have posted. The bull shit starts when you try to justify their lying by saying it is for ratings.
I don't necessarily mean lying in the literal sense. Lying by leaving out information, not covering things, or presenting things in a way that they know isn't the true picture.
You believe that ratings and making money don't matter and that it's only about pushing an agenda.
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2023, 06:42:15 AMHe clearly supported his claim when he showed you who own all these media Co's, they have an agenda.
Do some research, they are all aligned with Schwabs (NWO) WEF agenda. And you think they care about rating? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Yes. It's clear they care about ratings as any business does.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 11:04:43 AMI don't necessarily mean lying in the literal sense.
The russian hoax was one big damn lie for two years.
QuoteLying by leaving out information, not covering things, or presenting things in a way that they know isn't the true picture.
The way they did and are still doing with Hunter's laptop. They way they are doing by covering the border disaster. I could go on and on.
QuoteYou believe that ratings and making money don't matter and that it's only about pushing an agenda.
You figure it out, they are lying for a purpose, is that purpose to make money? Or to keep Trump out of office.
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 11:10:41 AMThe russian hoax was one big damn lie for two years.
In the end the Mueller Report pretty much exonerated Trump, but that doesn't mean there aren't things they can talk about. The coverage of the Pelosi/DePape situation is a good example.
There were all kinds of hypotheticals with it and Hannity/Tucker, etc talked about those. Anyone who has watched cable news knows that they talk about a TON of what-ifs. Simply talking about something isn't "lying". What's lying is what Fox talking heads did with Dominion/Smartmatic and CNN did with Sandman.
QuoteThe way they did and are still doing with Hunter's laptop. They way they are doing by covering the border disaster. I could go on and on.
Right. They give attention to things their audience WANTS to hear, not what is the more important topic.
QuoteYou figure it out, they are lying for a purpose, is that purpose to make money? Or to keep Trump out of office.
Both! The reason the MSM suppressed the Hunter story was because they didn't want to hurt Biden. The reason the liberal cable news puts SO much attention on Trump is because their ratings/revenue/profit was all higher when they were talking about Trump.
Hannity/Watters cover the hell out of "Biden is old and senile". I see them giving token coverage to McConnell being old and freezing. Why? Because Fox viewers WANT to hear Fox hosts trashing on Biden.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say that Hunter was using his dad's name to make all kinds of money, but only gave money to other family members and not Joe. Would you call it lying that Fox was talking about all of the evidence that pointed towards Hunter giving money to Joe? Would you call it lying that Fox was presenting all kinds of hypotheticals of the potential consequences if Joe did take money from Hunter? I wouldn't call either of those lying. I call that typical opinion news show conversation.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 11:07:20 AMYes. It's clear they care about ratings as any business does.
Crony capitalism is about profits, but in the way you think it means.
Why do you think they're stealing our treasury blind in support of Ukraine/NATO/WEF/ETC? Can you say "Money Laundering"?
Remember Fried Bankman? The DNC is going down along with a shitload of RINO!
Quote from: ZenMode on September 05, 2023, 11:26:29 AMIn the end the Mueller Report pretty much exonerated Trump, but that doesn't mean there aren't things they can talk about.
Sorry, you're wrong again, but hell, who's counting anymore. they did not "just" talk about the the Russian collusion story, they preached it as if it was fact, for two years.
QuoteThe coverage of the Pelosi/DePape situation is a good example.
That story proves my point.
QuoteThere were all kinds of hypotheticals with it and Hannity/Tucker, etc talked about those. Anyone who has watched cable news knows that they talk about a TON of what-ifs. Simply talking about something isn't "lying". What's lying is what Fox talking heads did with Dominion/Smartmatic and CNN did with Sandman.
We're not talking about what-ifs. We are talking about the damn lies told about Trump.
QuoteRight. They give attention to things their audience WANTS to hear, not what is the more important topic.Both!
And what lengths do those stations go to when deciding which lies to go with. Why do you keep insisting they lie to boost ratings?
QuoteThe reason the MSM suppressed the Hunter story was because they didn't want to hurt Biden.
BINGO! It fit the agenda. Got one right. Congratulations.
QuoteThe reason the liberal cable news puts SO much attention on Trump is because their ratings/revenue/profit was all higher when they were talking about Trump.
Damn, forget what I said above. You're back to being wrong. They are not just "paying" attention to Trump, they are lying about him.
QuoteHannity/Watters cover the hell out of "Biden is old and senile". I see them giving token coverage to McConnell being old and freezing. Why? Because Fox viewers WANT to hear Fox hosts trashing on Biden.
Wrong again, damn Zen. It would only be "talking trash" on Biden if they were making it up. Believe it or not, what they are doing is honest reporting. The people, all the people, have a right to know.
QuoteHypothetically speaking, let's say that Hunter was using his dad's name to make all kinds of money, but only gave money to other family members and not Joe.
So not only do you support the lying, I am now supposed to play along with your lying? How about we stick to the truth and the evidence, Joe got rich along with his family members selling his access.
QuoteWould you call it lying that Fox was talking about all of the evidence that pointed towards Hunter giving money to Joe?
Not when the evidence says that is what is going on. That is called reporting the truth.
QuoteWould you call it lying that Fox was presenting all kinds of hypotheticals of the potential consequences if Joe did take money from Hunter?
Again, you are using strawmen. If you are referring to a situation, list it.
QuoteI wouldn't call either of those lying. I call that typical opinion news show conversation.
No, you call lying on the air a typical opinion news show. Right now you are confusing news shows with trash like The View. But then again, you probably think The View is a real news show.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 31, 2023, 05:31:46 AMI've never heard of Klaus Schwab until I started reading forums like this.
BTW, the Tweet that claims to have quoted doesn't exist on the WEF Twitter account...and I can't find any video of him saying it, so.....
ZenMode-You need to read more.
Quote from: Possum on September 05, 2023, 01:10:29 PMSorry, you're wrong again, but hell, who's counting anymore. they did not "just" talk about the the Russian collusion story, they preached it as if it was fact, for two years.
That story proves my point.
We're not talking about what-ifs. We are talking about the damn lies told about Trump.
And what lengths do those stations go to when deciding which lies to go with. Why do you keep insisting they lie to boost ratings?
BINGO! It fit the agenda. Got one right. Congratulations.
Damn, forget what I said above. You're back to being wrong. They are not just "paying" attention to Trump, they are lying about him.
Wrong again, damn Zen. It would only be "talking trash" on Biden if they were making it up. Believe it or not, what they are doing is honest reporting. The people, all the people, have a right to know.
So not only do you support the lying, I am now supposed to play along with your lying? How about we stick to the truth and the evidence, Joe got rich along with his family members selling his access.
Not when the evidence says that is what is going on. That is called reporting the truth.
Again, you are using strawmen. If you are referring to a situation, list it.
No, you call lying on the air a typical opinion news show. Right now you are confusing news shows with trash like The View. But then again, you probably think The View is a real news show.
Evidence is not proof that Hunter was giving money to Joe. There are documented bank transactions that show that hunters family members were wired money. There is no documented transaction that shows that Joe received money. That is a fact. However, that will not stop the conservative talking heads from discussing, hypothetically, the possibility and likelihood that Hunter was giving Joe money.
It's all about ratings and talk show hosts no how their bread gets buttered. To imply that it does not happen in both directions is the deepest of denials.
Quote from Zen,
QuoteEvidence is not proof that Hunter was giving money to Joe. There are documented bank transactions that show that hunters family members were wired money. There is no documented transaction that shows that Joe received money. That is a fact. However, that will not stop the conservative talking heads from discussing, hypothetically, the possibility and likelihood that Hunter was giving Joe money.
It's all about ratings and talk show hosts no how their bread gets buttered. To imply that it does not happen in both directions is the deepest of denials.
That has got to be joke of the year.
This rest is just your typical bull crap.
Quote from: Possum on September 06, 2023, 05:53:20 PMQuote from Zen,
That has got to be joke of the year.
This rest is just your typical bull crap.
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It actually said that? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Possum on September 06, 2023, 05:53:20 PMQuote from Zen,
That has got to be joke of the year.
This rest is just your typical bull crap.
It came from a guest on Ted Cruz's podcast when talking about the SARs (Suspicious Activity Reports) submitted by banks to flag Hunter's transactions. All kinds of people were getting money from Hunter, but there were no transactions putting money into Joe's account. What appears to be true is that Hunter was directly paying Joe's bills.
But that isn't the point.....
Ever since the whistleblower(s) have come out, conservative talking heads have been ALL over it, speculating, hypothesizing, etc. There is always something to talk about and, even if Biden never received a dime from Hunter, the topic would have been discussed continually from day 1.
Quote from: ZenMode on September 07, 2023, 06:19:05 AMIt came from a guest on Ted Cruz's podcast when talking about the SARs (Suspicious Activity Reports) submitted by banks to flag Hunter's transactions. All kinds of people were getting money from Hunter, but there were no transactions putting money into Joe's account. What appears to be true is that Hunter was directly paying Joe's bills.
But that isn't the point.....
Ever since the whistleblower(s) have come out, conservative talking heads have been ALL over it, speculating, hypothesizing, etc. There is always something to talk about and, even if Biden never received a dime from Hunter, the topic would have been discussed continually from day 1.
Funny how nobody is talking about that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Possum on September 07, 2023, 11:18:54 AMFunny how nobody is talking about that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Duh. If you're Tucker, Hannity, Igraham, etc are you going to talk about something boring, like Hunter paying his bills, or are you going to go with what's most exciting and provocative to your viewers?
BTW, if ANY talking head had interest in the truth, they would be covering that angle because it's likely true.
The laptop — infamously abandoned at a Delaware repair shop in April 2019 — does not contain any direct evidence of such money transfers, but does show that Hunter was routinely on the hook for his father's household expenses while Joe Biden was vice president.
The expenses are spelled out in an email to Hunter from business partner Eric Schwerin from June 5, 2010, titled "JRB Bills." They concerned the upkeep of Joe Biden's palatial lakefront home in the wealthy Greenville enclave of Wilmington, Del. JRB are President Biden's initials.
There were $1,239 in repairs to an air conditioner at "mom-mom's cottage," and another $1,475 to a painter for "back wall and columns at the lake house." There was also another $2,600 for fixing up a "stone retaining wall at the lake" and $475 "for shutters."https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/hunter-biden-frequently-covered-family-expenses-texts-reveal/
Quote from: ZenMode on September 07, 2023, 12:22:42 PMDuh. If you're Tucker, Hannity, Igraham, etc are you going to talk about something boring, like Hunter paying his bills, or are you going to go with what's most exciting and provocative to your viewers?
BTW, if ANY talking head had interest in the truth, they would be covering that angle because it's likely true.
The laptop — infamously abandoned at a Delaware repair shop in April 2019 — does not contain any direct evidence of such money transfers, but does show that Hunter was routinely on the hook for his father's household expenses while Joe Biden was vice president.
The expenses are spelled out in an email to Hunter from business partner Eric Schwerin from June 5, 2010, titled "JRB Bills." They concerned the upkeep of Joe Biden's palatial lakefront home in the wealthy Greenville enclave of Wilmington, Del. JRB are President Biden's initials.
There were $1,239 in repairs to an air conditioner at "mom-mom's cottage," and another $1,475 to a painter for "back wall and columns at the lake house." There was also another $2,600 for fixing up a "stone retaining wall at the lake" and $475 "for shutters."
https://nypost.com/2022/04/09/hunter-biden-frequently-covered-family-expenses-texts-reveal/
LOL! You used that same argument about the JABBB, until the evidence became public!
How about we wait for all the evidence?
https://amgreatness.com/2023/09/08/left-wing-organizations-to-spend-over-500-million-in-campaign-to-influence-local-media/
QuoteOn Thursday, a group of 22 left-wing organizations announced the formation of a coalition that vows to spend over $500 million in a campaign to influence local media outlets.
It's all about the agenda. Notice they did not say to increase profits. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Possum on September 08, 2023, 06:12:22 AMhttps://amgreatness.com/2023/09/08/left-wing-organizations-to-spend-over-500-million-in-campaign-to-influence-local-media/
It's all about the agenda. Notice they did not say to increase profits. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Good catch!