Quote from: Possum on September 03, 2023, 06:49:46 AMWrong. The left leaning stations are lying to put their agenda front and center. The fact that there are so few who watch the news should tell you they do not care about ratings near as much as they care about the lies they tell you. If it was about ratings why did CNN, MSNBC, ETC. not go after Tucker???? 

What's a right leaning news station?   

News stations have to make money.  They pay a lot of money to their on-air personalities. Ray Charles could see the difference in coverage between CNN, MSNBC and Fox.  Are you saying you can't see the difference in how and what they cover?

Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 07:12:59 AMNews stations have to make money.

FOX NEWS Makes More Money Than CNN, MSNBC, And NBC-ABC-And-CBS News Combined.    https://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-fox-newss-700-million-man-2010-1

Well, if was about profit, why would everyone but Fox be sticking to their left wing bias? Because it is about an agenda. Same story as the ratings, left wing lies are more important than the truth.

QuoteThey pay a lot of money to their on-air personalities.

So? Movie actors are paid a lot also to play pretend. Neither has anything to do with the truth. If you had a point there, I missed it, maybe you can try again.

QuoteRay Charles could see the difference in coverage between CNN, MSNBC and Fox.

Pretty cruel joke if that was your intention. No, he can not see the difference.

QuoteAre you saying you can't see the difference in how and what they cover?

I have been pretty blunt on what I think of all the news stations. But lets see if you can tell what you see as the difference. Between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. which one researched the Russian "collusion" story and broke out that it was fake from the beginning? Which one jumped on the discovery of Hunter's laptop which incriminates Biden as corrupt and ran with the news AS IT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE ELECTION? Which one of them is demanding Epstein's client list and publishing it? IMHO, there are far more ways these "news stations" are similar than there are ways they are different. Like I said, it's all about the agenda, not the truth. 

Quote from: Possum on September 03, 2023, 08:19:34 AMFOX NEWS Makes More Money Than CNN, MSNBC, And NBC-ABC-And-CBS News Combined.    https://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-fox-newss-700-million-man-2010-1

Well, if was about profit, why would everyone but Fox be sticking to their left wing bias? Because it is about an agenda. Same story as the ratings, left wing lies are more important than the truth.

All 3 stations lie, misrepresent are obviously biased with how and what they cover. The fact that they aren't all equal in their ability to make a profit doesn't mean that their goal is not to make a profit.  There are many factors that go into decisions on content. It's safe to say that Fox could not become MSNBC and vice versa without completely losing their audience, so they choose to stay with what is making them money. Kia may not be as profitable as Lexus, but that doesn't mean that Kia is going to completely change their business model and start making pet supplies.

QuoteSo? Movie actors are paid a lot also to play pretend. Neither has anything to do with the truth. If you had a point there, I missed it, maybe you can try again.

My point is that you have to make money to be able to pay beyond air talent.

QuotePretty cruel joke if that was your intention. No, he can not see the difference.

I have been pretty blunt on what I think of all the news stations. But lets see if you can tell what you see as the difference. Between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. which one researched the Russian "collusion" story and broke out that it was fake from the beginning? Which one jumped on the discovery of Hunter's laptop which incriminates Biden as corrupt and ran with the news AS IT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE ELECTION? Which one of them is demanding Epstein's client list and publishing it? IMHO, there are far more ways these "news stations" are similar than there are ways they are different. Like I said, it's all about the agenda, not the truth. 

I have already stated that all three new stations customize their coverage to appeal to their core audience. Whether or not you see one side or the other as lying depends on which side you are currently on. I see lies, bias and dishonesty on all three of them. If you are a hardcore Fox viewer, you will likely only see the lies and dishonesty from CNN and MSNBC.






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Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 07:12:59 AMNews stations have to make money.  They pay a lot of money to their on-air personalities. Ray Charles could see the difference in coverage between CNN, MSNBC and Fox.  Are you saying you can't see the difference in how and what they cover?

The left has no issue destroying their own media as long as they control the narrative. It's a cost they are willing to bare.
How is it you don't understand, that this is crony capitalism as it's being abused by just a handful of Marxists?

Ratings don't mean shit to these people, they own the entire line of leftist media, from TV to magazines and everything in between.
Man, you are such a small thinker!

Quote from: ZenMode on September 03, 2023, 09:11:47 AMAll 3 stations lie, misrepresent are obviously biased with how and what they cover. The fact that they aren't all equal in their ability to make a profit doesn't mean that their goal is not to make a profit.

Ok, how do you know what their goal is? I've given you several examples that show you the goal is to push their agenda. I have asked you questions which would help you to see that but you refuse to answer.

QuoteThere are many factors that go into decisions on content. It's safe to say that Fox could not become MSNBC and vice versa without completely losing their audience, so they choose to stay with what is making them money.

Bull shit! If the goal was profit then the easiest way for Cnn, Msnbc to make more would be to change away from the extreme leftism they are reporting. They will not change that because that is their agenda to push. Just like Obama spoke about transforming this country, they are carrying the banner and the truth be damned.

QuoteKia may not be as profitable as Lexus, but that doesn't mean that Kia is going to completely change their business model and start making pet supplies. My point is that you have to make money to be able to pay beyond air talent

Why always the strawmen? Try using something with substance for once.

Quote. I have already stated that all three new stations customize their coverage to appeal to their core audience. Whether or not you see one side or the other as lying depends on which side you are currently on. I see lies, bias and dishonesty on all three of them. If you are a hardcore Fox viewer, you will likely only see the lies and dishonesty from CNN and MSNBC

Where in ANYTHING I have posted can you get the idea I actually think one of them is honest? I do not even think one of them is conservative. Your damn right they all lie. The million dollar question is why. If they are lying obviously it is not to get the truth out. If they are simple changes they could make to increase profit, why don't they? have you not noticed the more they push their liberal leftist woke crap the more profits go down? And not just for the news stations but for businesses as well? So why do they continue to do it??

Quote from: Possum on September 03, 2023, 02:16:43 PMOk, how do you know what their goal is? I've given you several examples that show you the goal is to push their agenda. I have asked you questions which would help you to see that but you refuse to answer.

Because they're a business, not a non-profit organization. Because they sell advertising.  Because they negotiated contracts with on-air talent. Because they actually made a profit every year for decades, which doesn't happen by accident.

QuoteBull shit! If the goal was profit then the easiest way for Cnn, Msnbc to make more would be to change away from the extreme leftism they are reporting. They will not change that because that is their agenda to push. Just like Obama spoke about transforming this country, they are carrying the banner and the truth be damned.

Yes.  CNN, like MSNBC, Food Network, ESPN etc, has chosen to not be a right-leaning news outlet like Fox. Every station makes a choice about content. That's how TV channels work.

QuoteWhy always the strawmen? Try using something with substance for once.

Where in ANYTHING I have posted can you get the idea I actually think one of them is honest? I do not even think one of them is conservative. Your damn right they all lie. The million dollar question is why. If they are lying obviously it is not to get the truth out. If they are simple changes they could make to increase profit, why don't they? have you not noticed the more they push their liberal leftist woke crap the more profits go down? And not just for the news stations but for businesses as well? So why do they continue to do it??

CNN generally makes over a billion a year.  But, that has nothing to do with the fact that they all lie, misrepresent, etc to keep their audience coming back, just as Fox does....and that was the point I've been trying to make  which you keep trying to divert from.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 01:34:04 AMBecause they're a business, not a non-profit organization. Because they sell advertising.  Because they negotiated contracts with on-air talent. Because they actually made a profit every year for decades, which doesn't happen by accident.

That does not prove their main goal is profit. It is not.

QuoteYes.  CNN, like MSNBC, Food Network, ESPN etc, has chosen to not be a right-leaning news outlet like Fox. Every station makes a choice about content.

And obviously that choice is not based on what makes the most profit. You know you are proving my point.

QuoteThat's how TV channels work.CNN generally makes over a billion a year.  But, that has nothing to do with the fact that they all lie, misrepresent, etc to keep their audience coming back, just as Fox does....and that was the point I've been trying to make  which you keep trying to divert from.

Here is where you keep going off the tracks. They are not lying to keep the audience coming back. They are losing viewers year after year, ratings keep getting lower. They are lying to forward their agenda. They did not push the Russia collusion story for two years, knowing it was a lie, to gather ratings. They did it to hurt Trump. They did not keep a lid on the discovery of Hunter's laptop to increase ratings, they did it to help biden. The list goes on, increases daily, it is all to forward an agenda. Had you answered the questions I asked you would have seen that.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 01:34:04 AMBecause they're a business, not a non-profit organization. Because they sell advertising.  Because they negotiated contracts with on-air talent. Because they actually made a profit every year for decades, which doesn't happen by accident.
Yes.  CNN, like MSNBC, Food Network, ESPN etc, has chosen to not be a right-leaning news outlet like Fox. Every station makes a choice about content. That's how TV channels work.CNN generally makes over a billion a year.  But, that has nothing to do with the fact that they all lie, misrepresent, etc to keep their audience coming back, just as Fox does....and that was the point I've been trying to make  which you keep trying to divert from.

Why do you think the left created the ESG score? These media Co's are not about profit, they are about the Marxist agenda, and until you get that through your head, nothing will ever balance out where leftist industry is concerned.

You have to step outside the box to actually see what's in it.
Not a one of the Corp's make real money, it is all a Ponzi scheme of reshuffling the deck in their favor.

Again, there is but one explanation for your ignorant posts, you are either covering for commies, or actually this stupid!
Dude, no one is buying your bull shit! And go ahead and ignore this post like all the others, but everyone know you're just a Marxist Tool!

Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 04:19:21 AMThat does not prove their main goal is profit. It is not.

You aren't a mind reader.  Neither of us can know what goes on in the minds of CNN leadership.  When CNN launched as the first 24 hour news channel, "left" what they were.  They have gotten themselves into their current position with a largely left-leaning audience and, that being the case, they absolutely cater their content to feed that base audience and keep them coming back.  Fox does EXACTLY the same thing, they just happen to be more successful.  If CNN was LOSING a billion a year, they would not exist long because, AGAIN, they are a business first and are always looking for ways to make more money.  They launched CNN+. WHY? Because other streaming services have been very successful and they believed they could MAKE MORE MONEY with a streaming service.
If CNN intentionally went right, they would be basically starting from scratch because they would lose their audience.  If Fox went left, the same would be true.  No company is going to intentionally wreck their business.

QuoteAnd obviously that choice is not based on what makes the most profit. You know you are proving my point.

As I said above, a dramatic change to the right would ruin their business. They brought in Licht looking for new ideas to grow their viewers, but he wouldn't would do something that is the equivalent to burning the business to the ground.  Under Licht, CNN recently tried to go more toward the center and it didn't go well. According to reports, revenue was down nearly 40%:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/06/08/in-first-four-months-of-2023-cnns-ad-revenue-has-dropped-39/

QuoteHere is where you keep going off the tracks. They are not lying to keep the audience coming back. They are losing viewers year after year, ratings keep getting lower. They are lying to forward their agenda. They did not push the Russia collusion story for two years, knowing it was a lie, to gather ratings.

CNN learned that ANYTHING "Trump" was going to increase ratings. They went back to that well again and again and again. So did Fox's talking heads. Megyn Kelly has discussed the impact on journalism, from chasing Trump ratings, many times, including in her podcast.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news-media

QuoteThey did it to hurt Trump. They did not keep a lid on the discovery of Hunter's laptop to increase ratings, they did it to help biden. The list goes on, increases daily, it is all to forward an agenda. Had you answered the questions I asked you would have seen that.

Yes, covering Trump got ratings.  Members of the left, who benefitted from it because of viewers, ratings, clicks, etc have talked about whether or not their negative coverage actually HELPED get Trump elected.

But, the fact remains that all news channels lie, misrepresent and cater content to keep their audience coming back for more.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 08:04:08 AMYou aren't a mind reader.  Neither of us can know what goes on in the minds of CNN leadership.  When CNN launched as the first 24 hour news channel, "left" what they were.  They have gotten themselves into their current position with a largely left-leaning audience and, that being the case, they absolutely cater their content to feed that base audience and keep them coming back.  Fox does EXACTLY the same thing, they just happen to be more successful.  If CNN was LOSING a billion a year, they would not exist long because, AGAIN, they are a business first and are always looking for ways to make more money.  They launched CNN+. WHY? Because other streaming services have been very successful and they believed they could MAKE MORE MONEY with a streaming service.
If CNN intentionally went right, they would be basically starting from scratch because they would lose their audience.  If Fox went left, the same would be true.  No company is going to intentionally wreck their business.  As I said above, a dramatic change to the right would ruin their business. They brought in Licht looking for new ideas to grow their viewers, but he wouldn't would do something that is the equivalent to burning the business to the ground.  Under Licht, CNN recently tried to go more toward the center and it didn't go well. According to reports, revenue was down nearly 40%:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/06/08/in-first-four-months-of-2023-cnns-ad-revenue-has-dropped-39/
 CNN learned that ANYTHING "Trump" was going to increase ratings. They went back to that well again and again and again. So did Fox's talking heads. Megyn Kelly has discussed the impact on journalism, from chasing Trump ratings, many times, including in her podcast.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news-media Yes, covering Trump got ratings.  Members of the left, who benefitted from it because of viewers, ratings, clicks, etc have talked about whether or not their negative coverage actually HELPED get Trump elected.

But, the fact remains that all news channels lie, misrepresent and cater content to keep their audience coming back for more.

Your whole post shows you know nothing about nothing. The stations, for two years, repeated the lie about the Russian collusion, lied about Trump, preached Trump was going down, in order to advance their agenda. Period. Learn it.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 08:04:08 AMYou aren't a mind reader.  Neither of us can know what goes on in the minds of CNN leadership.  When CNN launched as the first 24 hour news channel, "left" what they were.  They have gotten themselves into their current position with a largely left-leaning audience and, that being the case, they absolutely cater their content to feed that base audience and keep them coming back.  Fox does EXACTLY the same thing, they just happen to be more successful.  If CNN was LOSING a billion a year, they would not exist long because, AGAIN, they are a business first and are always looking for ways to make more money.  They launched CNN+. WHY? Because other streaming services have been very successful and they believed they could MAKE MORE MONEY with a streaming service.
If CNN intentionally went right, they would be basically starting from scratch because they would lose their audience.  If Fox went left, the same would be true.  No company is going to intentionally wreck their business.  As I said above, a dramatic change to the right would ruin their business. They brought in Licht looking for new ideas to grow their viewers, but he wouldn't would do something that is the equivalent to burning the business to the ground.  Under Licht, CNN recently tried to go more toward the center and it didn't go well. According to reports, revenue was down nearly 40%:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2023/06/08/in-first-four-months-of-2023-cnns-ad-revenue-has-dropped-39/
 CNN learned that ANYTHING "Trump" was going to increase ratings. They went back to that well again and again and again. So did Fox's talking heads. Megyn Kelly has discussed the impact on journalism, from chasing Trump ratings, many times, including in her podcast.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news-media Yes, covering Trump got ratings.  Members of the left, who benefitted from it because of viewers, ratings, clicks, etc have talked about whether or not their negative coverage actually HELPED get Trump elected.

But, the fact remains that all news channels lie, misrepresent and cater content to keep their audience coming back for more.

I see you  completely ignored my factual post.

Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 11:25:48 AMYour whole post shows you know nothing about nothing. The stations, for two years, repeated the lie about the Russian collusion, lied about Trump, preached Trump was going down, in order to advance their agenda. Period. Learn it.

No shit. Of course they did!  That's what I've been saying.  It's all about ratings and catering to your base audience. It's not about honesty and objectivity.

Welcome to the first post in our discussion.  You just proved my point.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 04:05:43 PMNo shit. Of course they did!  That's what I've been saying.  It's all about ratings and catering to your base audience. It's not about honesty and objectivity.

Welcome to the first post in our discussion.  You just proved my point.

They are a news company, they lied for two years, they threw their reputations, which is the most important aspect a news station can have, out the window. Every since, their viewership has gone down. And YOU think they did it for ratings? You are hilarious. THEY ARE PUSHING A DAMN AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!! The only part you have got right is it is not about honesty and objectivity. It is about pushing the leftist lie, transforming this country, PUSHING THEIR AGENDA!! They will lie about everything to keep TRUMP out of office, that is not for ratings, that is their goal. Damn, you lie as much as they do.

Quote from: Possum on September 04, 2023, 04:30:14 PMThey are a news company, they lied for two years, they threw their reputations, which is the most important aspect a news station can have, out the window.

Yes, because the most profitable talking heads, like Anderson Cooper, aren't news, they're opinion.

QuoteEvery since, their viewership has gone down. And YOU think they did it for ratings? You are hilarious. THEY ARE PUSHING A DAMN AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!! The only part you have got right is it is not about honesty and objectivity. It is about pushing the leftist lie, transforming this country, PUSHING THEIR AGENDA!! They will lie about everything to keep TRUMP out of office, that is not for ratings, that is their goal. Damn, you lie as much as they do.

Again Fox rode the Trump ratings bonanza.  Megyn Kelly was very open about it.  Trump was easy ratings.

Quote from: ZenMode on September 04, 2023, 05:26:29 PMYes, because the most profitable talking heads, like Anderson Cooper, aren't news, they're opinion.Again Fox rode the Trump ratings bonanza.  Megyn Kelly was very open about it.  Trump was easy ratings.

You just said nothing. As always.