He should have shot the guy in the head, going for the kill shot.

These punks will probably recover, go to jail for a few weeks, and then be released to do more harm. Better to have shot them dead in the first place.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:15:19 PM

T, were are You with "cheap shots" on this^ one?


Solar, You read Me wrong, again, on this thread. Saying I said one thing when I didn't. Now Your calling Me lacking because I can see the bad that could've come from this situation, as well as the good that did come from the situation.

Honestly, Solar, You need to do some soul searching, bro, You have some issues that really need worked out.

By even mentioning it, you dismiss the good the man did.
He did not second guess himself, he obviously knows how to use his weapon, you on the other hand think that because the incident could have turned out differently, he shouldn't have acted.
That's just wrong headed thinking.

I used to pack, I gave it up because my aim is not what it used to be, so I salute this man for doing the right thing.
You shouldn't have even mentioned what could've happened, because you weren't in his place, he obviously knew what he was doing.

You know, sometimes you just have to do the right thing, regardless, it might just have turned out far worse.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
By even mentioning it, you dismiss the good the man did.

Not true. Im just pointing out the bad that could've easily happened when attacking an armed man that's holding a weapon on a unarmed woman.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
He did not second guess himself, he obviously knows how to use his weapon, you on the other hand think that because the incident could have turned out differently, he shouldn't have acted.

I didn't say that. I said that this one was tough because I can see the good and bad in His actions.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
That's just wrong headed thinking.

I used to pack, I gave it up because my aim is not what it used to be, so I salute this man for doing the right thing.
You shouldn't have even mentioned what could've happened, because you weren't in his place, he obviously knew what he was doing.

You know, sometimes you just have to do the right thing, regardless, it might just have turned out far worse.

Sometimes You do have to do the right thing regardless, and the right thing is not always attacking a man aiming his weapon at an unarmed female.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:11:47 PM
And it didn't, yet you would rather everyone take their chances with a piece of trash waving a gun.
This say's sooo much about your level of testosterone.
I'd bet you'd have wet your panties.

Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 02:48:18 PM

Oh Taxi, I think somewhere deep down You're better than this. "Keep trying". 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:08:43 PM

Distracting a man who's holding a weapon on a lady with her hands up could end very badly for that lady, no matter the good intentions.

A real man can see both sides of the coin here, not just the one.

That's makes absolutely no sense. Why would he pull the trigger on the unarmed woman when the man was pointing his weapon at him. He wouldn't react by shooting the woman, his attention would immediately turn to the weapon being pointed at him, not waste time pulling the trigger on the woman. The woman was not even a threat.

Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 02:48:18 PM

I think that about say's it all.

Quote from: Indy on July 17, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
That's makes absolutely no sense. Why would he pull the trigger on the unarmed woman when the man was pointing his weapon at him. He wouldn't react by shooting the woman, his attention would immediately turn to the weapon being pointed at him, not waste time pulling the trigger on the woman. The woman was not even a threat.

So a stupid person that's willing to rob a store couldn't get jumpy and pull the trigger when excited?  No Indy, it makes perfect sense, and It was a risky move. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:45:03 PM

Sometimes You do have to do the right thing regardless, and the right thing is not always attacking a man aiming his weapon at an unarmed female.

The film has no audio.  We have no idea what was being said here...for all we know the elderly gent yelled "drop it" or some such.  The first mope through the door has no gun, he is armed with a bat...he is not a threat to the old man at the point of the shooting.  The perp with the gun was waving it about and turned his back towards the shooter and the gun was not pointed at the woman... that is when the old man made his move.  When he does, the perp turns toward him (caught movement? verbal warning?), waving the gun past the woman and as the muzzle nears the point where he will be targeted within seconds the old man fires.

No shooting is ever perfect but at the time of the first shot being fired the woman is to the side and not in a potential crossfire...her position could have been better, but you take what you can get...he then moves forward and becomes the only possible target.  He did well. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 03:31:36 PM


So a stupid person that's willing to rob a store couldn't get jumpy and pull the trigger when excited?  No Indy, it makes perfect sense, and It was a risky move.

You're reaching fishy....

Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 03:33:14 PM
The film has no audio.  We have no idea what was being said here...for all we know the elderly gent yelled "drop it" or some such.  The first mope through the door has no gun, he is armed with a bat...he is not a threat to the old man at the point of the shooting.  The perp with the gun was waving it about and turned his back towards the shooter and the gun was not pointed at the woman... that is when the old man made his move.  When he does, the perp turns toward him (caught movement? verbal warning?), waving the gun past the woman and as the muzzle nears the point where he will be targeted within seconds the old man fires.

No shooting is ever perfect but at the time of the first shot being fired the woman is to the side and not in a potential crossfire...her position could have been better, but you take what you can get...he then moves forward and becomes the only possible target.  He did well.

True, the gunman did turn his back and then turned toward the woman making his way to the old man who was then getting into a firing stance.  That was very dangerous for the woman with her hands up.   I agree, her position could've been better.

I also agree, the old man did well, it's to bad He didn't kill the gunman though. Following the robbers outside and firing could've been bad for innocent bystanders as well. I wish we had footage from behind the counter and outside, not to mention voice recordings.

Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 03:41:55 PM
You're reaching fishy....

That's not reaching, Taxi....

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 03:31:36 PM


So a stupid person that's willing to rob a store couldn't get jumpy and pull the trigger when excited?  No Indy, it makes perfect sense, and It was a risky move.

But that's just the point, fish.  The perp can shoot at any time, at anyone.  If the elderly gent had remained concealed anyone could have been shot at anytime...there is no unspoken social contract in an armed robbery and all actions and inactions have potentially deadly consequences.  All moves and non-moves are risky. 

The perp was moving the hostages from the back room towards the front room (witness the first man and then the woman).  The old man had to make his move then because once moved he had less chance for action and he risked having his weapon discovered if  (as is quite likely) the perps had the hostages turn out their pockets.

Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 04:01:18 PM
But that's just the point, fish.  The perp can shoot at any time, at anyone.

I agree. Especially if He's aiming at someone, like the lady, or the person behind the counter and gets startled.

Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 04:01:18 PM
there is no unspoken social contract in an armed robbery[/u] and all actions and inactions have potentially deadly consequences.  All moves and non-moves are risky.

I don't disagree. It could've ended bad had He not acted and it could've ended bad acting. That's the point I was trying to make to begin with.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 04:09:58 PM
I don't disagree. It could've ended bad had He not acted and it could've ended bad acting. That's the point I was trying to make to begin with.

But now the old man was controlling the situation...If I was in the same situation (God forbid!) I hope would have acted likewise.