This is a great news story, you've got to watch the video.
I guarantee you'll laugh out loud. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?Title=Video-shows-patron-shooting-robbers-at-Palms-Internet-Cafe&tc=ar (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?Title=Video-shows-patron-shooting-robbers-at-Palms-Internet-Cafe&tc=ar)
ROFLMAO!!!!! He had those pups pissing in their knickers!
Reminds me of my father-in-law down in Temple, Texas, who carries a cute li'l 10mm semi-auto wherever he goes, just in case something exactly like this goes down.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 11:05:57 AM
This is a great news story, you've got to watch the video.
I guarantee you'll laugh out loud. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?Title=Video-shows-patron-shooting-robbers-at-Palms-Internet-Cafe&tc=ar (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?Title=Video-shows-patron-shooting-robbers-at-Palms-Internet-Cafe&tc=ar)
That's a tough one. At least the guy waited till the robbers back was turned before attacking, but that robbers weapon was trained right on the lady with her hands up when the old guy attacked. That could've been really bad.
On one hand Im glad the old dude handled business, on the other, I can see how that was a bad idea.
Glad only the robbers were shot. :thumbup:
Florida....Two mopes in hoodies...Isn't that special! :biggrin:
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 11:30:51 AM
ROFLMAO!!!!! He had those pups pissing in their knickers!
Reminds me of my father-in-law down in Temple, Texas, who carries a cute li'l 10mm semi-auto wherever he goes, just in case something exactly like this goes down.
!0mm sounds strange, or is that just another description of a more recognizable caliber?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
That's a tough one. At least the guy waited till the robbers back was turned before attacking, but that robbers weapon was trained right on the lady with her hands up when the old guy attacked. That could've been really bad.
On one hand Im glad the old dude handled business, on the other, I can see how that was a bad idea.
Glad only the robbers were shot. :thumbup:
Turning your back doesn't excuse your crime. It's a shame the two guys weren't killed.
This story totally made my day!! :-)
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 12:42:11 PM
Turning your back doesn't excuse your crime.
I never said it did. But it would've been really bad had that robber pulled the trigger when He was attacked. His weapon was directly on the woman with her hand up when the old man came at him.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 12:48:19 PM
I never said it did. But it would've been really bad had that robber pulled the trigger when He was attacked. His weapon was directly on the woman with her hand up when the old man came at him.
You're right. The old man should have not done anything, everyone should have kept their hands up and hoped they weren't going to get shot. That worked great at Virginia Tech.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
You're right. The old man should have not done anything, everyone should have kept their hands up and hoped they weren't going to get shot. That worked great at Virginia Tech.
I didn't say that. I said on one hand I can see one thing on the other I see something else.
Come on, Taxi, step out of Your box for a bit, there's other aspects worthy of Your attention. :smile:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
I didn't say that. I said on one hand I can see one thing on the other I see something else.
Come on, Taxi, step out of Your box for a bit, there's other aspects worthy of Your attention. :smile:
I'm a thinker, not a drone, and I always step far out of the box. Considering the feelings of the criminals is insane, and lives were saved. Only a lib, like yourself, would have an issue with that.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
I'm a thinker, not a drone, and I always step far out of the box. Considering the feelings of the criminals is insane, and lives were saved. Only a lib, like yourself, would have an issue with that.
You haven't stepped far enough out to see what I actually wrote.
"On one hand Im glad the old dude handled business, on the other, I can see how that was a bad idea."
The gunman was pointing his weapon at a civilian when the old guy attacked, that could've ended very badly.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:11:48 PM
You haven't stepped far enough out to see what I actually wrote.
"On one hand Im glad the old dude handled business, on the other, I can see how that was a bad idea."
The gunman was pointing his weapon at a civilian when the old guy attacked, that could've ended very badly.
I guess the victims should have asked the gunmen to sit down and asked them what their intentions were.... maybe buy them a latte.
This was the right thing to do. The old man saved those people. The gunmen didn't count on an old man shooting at them. Funny how that works.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 01:17:25 PM
I guess the victims should have asked the gunmen to sit down and asked them what their intentions were.... maybe buy them a latte.
This was the right thing to do. The old man saved those people. The gunmen didn't count on an old man shooting at them. Funny how that works.
So You don't see how that could've ended badly?
So there is something to that old: "crime doesn't pay" saying. Shame the old man isn't a better shot. :laugh:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:22:34 PM
So You don't see how that could've ended badly?
Sure. The guy could have not shot at them and the criminals could have hurt those people. You give criminals too much credit, and allow them to take over our society. Most of them are cowards, hurting others and causing pain they themselves fear. They had shotguns and the old man had a pea shooter and chased them out.
Quit letting the criminals win, Fishy.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
That's a tough one. At least the guy waited till the robbers back was turned before attacking, but that robbers weapon was trained right on the lady with her hands up when the old guy attacked. That could've been really bad.
On one hand Im glad the old dude handled business, on the other, I can see how that was a bad idea.
Glad only the robbers were shot. :thumbup:
Wrong son, watch the video again, the dirt bag actually pointed it at the man, at which point he fired.
Go to 33 seconds and watch closely.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 01:28:43 PM
Wrong son, watch the video again, the dirt bag actually pointed it at the man, at which point he fired.
Go to 33 seconds and watch closely.
Wrong Chico, :ttoung:
Watch it again. When the old man gets up and points his weapon at the robber the robbers weapon is on the lady, than it moves toward the old guy. Do You not see how that could've been very bad for the lady with Her hands up?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
Wrong Chico, :ttoung:
Watch it again. When the old man gets up and points his weapon at the robber the robbers weapon is on the lady, than it moves toward the old guy. Do You not see how that could've been very bad for the lady with Her hands up?
Your "roll over and play dead and hope you don't get killed" style of defense is really lame.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
That's a tough one. At least the guy waited till the robbers back was turned before attacking, but that robbers weapon was trained right on the lady with her hands up when the old guy attacked. That could've been really bad.
On one hand Im glad the old dude handled business, on the other, I can see how that was a bad idea.
Glad only the robbers were shot. :thumbup:
It's tricky as hell to get off a good shot at an old lady, or anyone/anything else for that matter, while a 9mm hunk of copper-jacketed lead is ventilating your shoulder at sonic speed. There is NO WAY the old guy had a "bad idea."
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 01:41:04 PM
Your "roll over and play dead and hope you don't get killed" style of defense is really lame.
I didn't say that, so please don't put quotes on it.
I believe in defense, I don't believe in putting others in added danger. Thats why Im split on this one.
While I applaud the old man, he isn't a very good shot. He was so close to the robber, and he still didn't shoot him good.
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 01:45:16 PM
It's tricky as hell to get off a good shot at an old lady, or anyone/anything else for that matter, while a 9mm hunk of copper-jacketed lead is ventilating your shoulder at sonic speed. There is NO WAY the old guy had a "bad idea."
Difficult is not impossible, and all the robber had to do is pull the trigger when He saw the man attacking. The weapon was on the woman with Her hands up at the beginning of the attack.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
I didn't say that, so please don't put quotes on it.
I believe in defense, I don't believe in putting others in added danger. Thats why Im split on this one.
Only a lib would consider shooting the criminals with guns as "added danger". You people are just odd.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
Only a lib would consider shooting the criminals with guns as "added danger". You people are just odd.
Only a Lib would see the added danger in attacking a man that's holding a gun on a woman with her hands up? LOL, Your ignorance to reality is out again Taxi, better watch it or people will think You've seen one to many movies. :blink:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
Wrong Chico, :ttoung:
Watch it again. When the old man gets up and points his weapon at the robber the robbers weapon is on the lady, than it moves toward the old guy. Do You not see how that could've been very bad for the lady with Her hands up?
Sheesh! Watch it again, he didn't pull the trigger till the scum ball pointed it at him.
Take off the blinders, the gun was no longer pointed at the woman.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 01:54:56 PM
Sheesh! Watch it again, he didn't pull the trigger till the scum ball pointed it at him.
Take off the blinders, the gun was no longer pointed at the woman.
Sheesh! Did I say "He pulled the trigger before the scum ball pointed it at him"? NO, I said He attacked, which He did, He stood from is chair pulled His weapon and went at the robber. When that happened the robber had his weapon on the lady, which could've been really bad for the lady. Do You not agree?
Take of You blinders, the gun was pointed at the woman while the old guy was coming at the robber.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:02:28 PM
Sheesh! Did I say "He pulled the trigger before the scum ball pointed it at him"? NO, I said He attacked, which He did, He stood from is chair pulled His weapon and went at the robber. When that happened the robber had his weapon on the lady, which could've been really bad for the lady. Do You not agree?
Take of You blinders, the gun was pointed at the woman while the old guy was coming at the robber.
NO!!! He distracted his attention and put his own safety in jeopardy.
You see, that's how a real man thinks, he protects women and children, it's an inherent nature in man.
Why do I suspect this is lacking in you?
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:05:21 PM
NO!!! He distracted his attention and put his own safety in jeopardy.
You see, that's how a real man thinks, he protects women and children, it's an inherent nature in man.
Why do I suspect this is lacking in you?
Distracting a man who's holding a weapon on a lady with her hands up could end very badly for that lady, no matter the good intentions.
A real man can see both sides of the coin here, not just the one.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:08:43 PM
Distracting a man who's holding a weapon on a lady with her hands up could end very badly for that lady, no matter the good intentions.
A real man can see both sides of the coin here, not just the one.
And it didn't, yet you would rather everyone take their chances with a piece of trash waving a gun.
This say's sooo much about your level of testosterone.
I'd bet you'd have wet your panties.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:11:47 PM
And it didn't, yet you would rather everyone take their chances with a piece of trash waving a gun.
This say's sooo much about your level of testosterone.
I'd bet you'd have wet your panties.
T, were are You with "cheap shots" on this^ one?
Solar, You read Me wrong, again, on this thread. Saying I said one thing when I didn't. Now Your calling Me lacking because I can see the bad that could've come from this situation, as well as the good that did come from the situation.
Honestly, Solar, You need to do some soul searching, bro, You have some issues that really need worked out.
He should have shot the guy in the head, going for the kill shot.
These punks will probably recover, go to jail for a few weeks, and then be released to do more harm. Better to have shot them dead in the first place.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
T, were are You with "cheap shots" on this^ one?
Solar, You read Me wrong, again, on this thread. Saying I said one thing when I didn't. Now Your calling Me lacking because I can see the bad that could've come from this situation, as well as the good that did come from the situation.
Honestly, Solar, You need to do some soul searching, bro, You have some issues that really need worked out.
By even mentioning it, you dismiss the good the man did.
He did not second guess himself, he obviously knows how to use his weapon, you on the other hand think that because the incident could have turned out differently, he shouldn't have acted.
That's just wrong headed thinking.
I used to pack, I gave it up because my aim is not what it used to be, so I salute this man for doing the right thing.
You shouldn't have even mentioned what could've happened, because you weren't in his place, he obviously knew what he was doing.
You know, sometimes you just have to do the right thing, regardless, it might just have turned out far worse.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
By even mentioning it, you dismiss the good the man did.
Not true. Im just pointing out the bad that could've easily happened when attacking an armed man that's holding a weapon on a unarmed woman.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
He did not second guess himself, he obviously knows how to use his weapon, you on the other hand think that because the incident could have turned out differently, he shouldn't have acted.
I didn't say that. I said that this one was tough because I can see the good and bad in His actions.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
That's just wrong headed thinking.
I used to pack, I gave it up because my aim is not what it used to be, so I salute this man for doing the right thing.
You shouldn't have even mentioned what could've happened, because you weren't in his place, he obviously knew what he was doing.
You know, sometimes you just have to do the right thing, regardless, it might just have turned out far worse.
Sometimes You do have to do the right thing regardless, and the right thing is not always attacking a man aiming his weapon at an unarmed female.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 02:11:47 PM
And it didn't, yet you would rather everyone take their chances with a piece of trash waving a gun.
This say's sooo much about your level of testosterone.
I'd bet you'd have wet your panties.
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Oh Taxi, I think somewhere deep down You're better than this. "Keep trying". :rolleyes:
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Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:08:43 PM
Distracting a man who's holding a weapon on a lady with her hands up could end very badly for that lady, no matter the good intentions.
A real man can see both sides of the coin here, not just the one.
That's makes absolutely no sense. Why would he pull the trigger on the unarmed woman when the man was pointing his weapon at him. He wouldn't react by shooting the woman, his attention would immediately turn to the weapon being pointed at him, not waste time pulling the trigger on the woman. The woman was not even a threat.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 02:48:18 PM
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I think that about say's it all.
Quote from: Indy on July 17, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
That's makes absolutely no sense. Why would he pull the trigger on the unarmed woman when the man was pointing his weapon at him. He wouldn't react by shooting the woman, his attention would immediately turn to the weapon being pointed at him, not waste time pulling the trigger on the woman. The woman was not even a threat.
So a stupid person that's willing to rob a store couldn't get jumpy and pull the trigger when excited? No Indy, it makes perfect sense, and It was a risky move.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 02:45:03 PM
Sometimes You do have to do the right thing regardless, and the right thing is not always attacking a man aiming his weapon at an unarmed female.
The film has no audio. We have no idea what was being said here...for all we know the elderly gent yelled "drop it" or some such. The first mope through the door has no gun, he is armed with a bat...he is not a threat to the old man at the point of the shooting. The perp with the gun was waving it about and turned his back towards the shooter and the gun was not pointed at the woman... that is when the old man made his move. When he does, the perp turns toward him (caught movement? verbal warning?), waving the gun past the woman and as the muzzle nears the point where he will be targeted within seconds the old man fires.
No shooting is ever perfect but at the time of the first shot being fired the woman is to the side and not in a potential crossfire...her position could have been better, but you take what you can get...he then moves forward and becomes the only possible target. He did well.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
So a stupid person that's willing to rob a store couldn't get jumpy and pull the trigger when excited? No Indy, it makes perfect sense, and It was a risky move.
You're reaching fishy....
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 03:33:14 PM
The film has no audio. We have no idea what was being said here...for all we know the elderly gent yelled "drop it" or some such. The first mope through the door has no gun, he is armed with a bat...he is not a threat to the old man at the point of the shooting. The perp with the gun was waving it about and turned his back towards the shooter and the gun was not pointed at the woman... that is when the old man made his move. When he does, the perp turns toward him (caught movement? verbal warning?), waving the gun past the woman and as the muzzle nears the point where he will be targeted within seconds the old man fires.
No shooting is ever perfect but at the time of the first shot being fired the woman is to the side and not in a potential crossfire...her position could have been better, but you take what you can get...he then moves forward and becomes the only possible target. He did well.
True, the gunman did turn his back and then turned toward the woman making his way to the old man who was then getting into a firing stance. That was very dangerous for the woman with her hands up. I agree, her position could've been better.
I also agree, the old man did well, it's to bad He didn't kill the gunman though. Following the robbers outside and firing could've been bad for innocent bystanders as well. I wish we had footage from behind the counter and outside, not to mention voice recordings.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 03:41:55 PM
You're reaching fishy....
That's not reaching, Taxi....
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 03:31:36 PM
So a stupid person that's willing to rob a store couldn't get jumpy and pull the trigger when excited? No Indy, it makes perfect sense, and It was a risky move.
But that's just the point, fish. The perp can shoot at any time, at anyone. If the elderly gent had remained concealed anyone could have been shot at anytime...
there is no unspoken social contract in an armed robbery and all actions and inactions have potentially deadly consequences. All moves and non-moves are risky.
The perp was moving the hostages from the back room towards the front room (witness the first man and then the woman). The old man had to make his move
then because once moved he had less chance for action and he risked having his weapon discovered if (as is quite likely) the perps had the hostages turn out their pockets.
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 04:01:18 PM
But that's just the point, fish. The perp can shoot at any time, at anyone.
I agree. Especially if He's aiming at someone, like the lady, or the person behind the counter and gets startled.
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 04:01:18 PM
there is no unspoken social contract in an armed robbery[/u] and all actions and inactions have potentially deadly consequences. All moves and non-moves are risky.
I don't disagree. It could've ended bad had He not acted and it could've ended bad acting. That's the point I was trying to make to begin with.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 04:09:58 PM
I don't disagree. It could've ended bad had He not acted and it could've ended bad acting. That's the point I was trying to make to begin with.
But now the old man was controlling the situation...If I was in the same situation (God forbid!) I hope would have acted likewise.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 11:05:57 AM
This is a great news story, you've got to watch the video.
I guarantee you'll laugh out loud. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?Title=Video-shows-patron-shooting-robbers-at-Palms-Internet-Cafe&tc=ar (http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?Title=Video-shows-patron-shooting-robbers-at-Palms-Internet-Cafe&tc=ar)
AWESOME!!!!
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 04:13:43 PM
But now the old man was controlling the situation...If I was in the same situation (God forbid!) I hope would have acted likewise.
I wouldn't go as far as to say controlling, but rather trying to take control. It still could've gone a different way had the robber fired and downed the old man when the weapon was aimed on him. Then You'd had a wounded gunman who just dropped someone. That situation could be even worse.
We can scenario this to death though, it seems We agree, it's risky either way.
Quote from: Jasmine on July 17, 2012, 01:48:09 PM
While I applaud the old man, he isn't a very good shot. He was so close to the robber, and he still didn't shoot him good.
When the adrenaline kicks in........
Even cops miss.
Quote from: Jasmine on July 17, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
He should have shot the guy in the head, going for the kill shot.
These punks will probably recover, go to jail for a few weeks, and then be released to do more harm. Better to have shot them dead in the first place.
You never and I mean never go for a head shot in a situation like that. You shoot for center mass.
That head shot bullshit is only for Hollywood movies.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 04:30:42 PM
No it's not, cause
lots can happen.
No shit Sherlock. That's why I posted what I did.
The old gent did the right thing.
Of course you would have been content to sit there and let the robbers have their way right?
Quote from: rich_t on July 17, 2012, 04:32:51 PM
No shit Sherlock. That's why I posted what I did.
The You realize what I said wasn't "a stretch" then Watson. Glad We can agree. :thumbup:
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 04:18:27 PM
I wouldn't go as far as to say controlling, but rather trying to take control. It still could've gone a different way had the robber fired and downed the old man when the weapon was aimed on him. Then You'd had a wounded gunman who just dropped someone. That situation could be even worse.
We can scenario this to death though, it seems We agree, it's risky either way.
The old man had snatched control of the action from the armed perp and was dictating how the events would unfold...the perp was reacting....I have been in too many street situations not to attempt to seize the initiative.
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 05:07:33 PM
not to attempt to seize the initiative.
I agree He was trying to take control of a bad situation that could've gone either way.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
I agree He was trying to take control of a bad situation that could've gone either way.
Fishy, what would you have done. I gotta hear this...
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
I agree He was trying to take control of a bad situation that could've gone either way.
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No...he had already seized it. After his first shot HE MOVED TOWARD THE PERPS as he continued to fire, ensuring the armed perp, who was now at a disadvantage and had to retreat, did not have time to either stand his ground and fire back or find cover.
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 05:37:49 PM
No...he had already seized it. After his first shot HE MOVED TOWARD THE PERPS as he continued to fire, ensuring the armed perp, who was now at a disadvantage and had to retreat, did not have time to either stand his ground and fire back or find cover.
The perp could've fired in that situation rather than just pointing his weapon. The old man is lucky that these guys weren't the type that
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 05:07:33 PM
have been in too many street situations not to attempt to seize the initiative.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 05:30:21 PM
Fishy, what would you have done. I gotta hear this...
Had I been armed I cant say that I wouldn't have attacked as well, Taxi. And it still would have been risky, either way.
Why are You focusing on My belief that this could've also gone bad for the people there? Do You not believe that to be the case?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:42:19 PM
The perp could've fired in that situation rather than just pointing his weapon. The old man is lucky that these guys weren't the type that
Lucky? You better look at the vid again...the perp
NEVER had a chance to return fire.
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Lucky? You better look at the vid again...the perp NEVER had a chance to return fire.
I disagree. Stop the video at 35 second in. Had the robber been the type You claim to be then He would have fired. Thankfully the old man ran into someone who wasn't seemingly ready for that type of situation.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:50:33 PM
Had I been armed I cant say that I wouldn't have attacked as well, Taxi. And it still would have been risky, either way.
I'm not sure you have it in ya...
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Why are You focusing on My belief that this could've also gone bad for the people there? Do You not believe that to be the case?
Here is where you reach, fishy. You are trying to say "something could have happened", as if the old man made a bad decision. To not do anything while criminals with guns enter the shop is not a reason to lay down and pray you won't do something because you might cause less damage in a hypothetical situation. You are making the same argument I heard some idiots make about the Virginia Tech shootings.
Unreal.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
I disagree. Stop the video at 35 second in. Had the robber been the type You claim to be then He would have fired. Thankfully the old man ran into someone who wasn't seemingly ready for that type of situation.
Bullshit. He had already been unexpectedly fired upon...skidmarked his pants.... and his gun had not been brought to bear with a
target in focus (the perp was scanning the room when he was unexpectedly fired upon)...the old man had the drop on him and had scared him shitless...if he took the milliseconds to return fire he was about to receive one center mass from an opponent who was already focused on him.
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
I'm not sure you have it in ya...
Ok...
Quote from: taxed on July 17, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
Here is where you reach, fishy. You are trying to say "something could have happened", as if the old man made a bad decision.
It was a risky decision, Taxi, that could've gone bad. So, even though I applaud his bravery I still point out the possible bad in the decision.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:50:33 PM
Had I been armed I cant say that I wouldn't have attacked as well, Taxi. And it still would have been risky, either way.
Why are You focusing on My belief that this could've also gone bad for the people there? Do You not believe that to be the case?
Obviously you question your own abilities, this man did not, he acted.
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 06:25:07 PM
Ok...
It was a risky decision, Taxi, that could've gone bad. So, even though I applaud his bravery I still point out the possible bad in the decision.
It could have gone bad, like some thugs with shotguns breaking into the place wasn't bad enough... If that happens to me, I'm not going to say "Hmmm, this sucks.... but hey, it could be a lot worse! I guess I'll play dead and let them have their way with us because God forbid something bad happens...".
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 06:28:18 PM
Obviously you question your own abilities, this man did not, he acted.
I said -
"Had I been armed I cant say that I wouldn't have attacked as well, Taxi. And it still would have been risky, either way."
It was a risk that old guy took. Shooting around civilians is risky. Do you not agree?
Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 06:34:06 PM
I said -
"Had I been armed I cant say that I wouldn't have attacked as well, Taxi. And it still would have been risky, either way."
It was a risk that old guy took. Shooting around civilians is risky. Do you not agree?
Shooting is risky, period. It doesn't matter what "sort" of people are around. What's your point?
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 06:48:24 PM
Shooting is risky, period. It doesn't matter what "sort" of people are around. What's your point?
Exactly!
I personally volunteer to retrain this old gentlemen and supply him with practise ammo so the next time he kills them both.
Billy
Quote from: Bad water BILLY on July 17, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
I personally volunteer to retrain this old gentlemen and supply him with practise ammo so the next time he kills them both.
Billy
Um, yeah, I'll chip in a few bucks. He did the right thing, but his aim is not what it could be. Both perps got out the door; both should have died in their tracks.
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 07:35:47 PM
Um, yeah, I'll chip in a few bucks. He did the right thing, but his aim is not what it could be. Both perps got out the door; both should have died in their tracks.
It wasn't his aim, it was his gun, he needed a 44, then he'd have been on target....anywhere. :laugh:
Quote from: Bad water BILLY on July 17, 2012, 07:33:40 PM
I personally volunteer to retrain this old gentlemen and supply him with practise ammo so the next time he kills them both.
Billy
There's one thing that bothers me about the video, and the man's actions. Once the perps were outside, fleeing for their lives, he let one more shot go.
I think about it, and I know it's "heat of the moment" and you do what you feel you have to do. But I think he should have held back that last round.
Just my humble opinion...
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
There's one thing that bothers me about the video, and the man's actions. Once the perps were outside, fleeing for their lives, he let one more shot go.
I think about it, and I know it's "heat of the moment" and you do what you feel you have to do. But I think he should have held back that last round.
Just my humble opinion...
Maybe the perp was turning around, the video doesn't show what was happening outside.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 08:57:27 PM
Maybe the perp was turning around, the video doesn't show what was happening outside.
Yeah, that's so.
My heart and my head agree -- the man did what there was to do. There's no doubt he was on the side of the angels.
Quote from: tbone0106 on July 17, 2012, 09:06:40 PM
Yeah, that's so.
My heart and my head agree -- the man did what there was to do. There's no doubt he was on the side of the angels.
I wonder if he is rethinking the caliber of his weapon.
I find it hard to believe it was a 9mm, more like a 32 or possibly a 22, based on the recoil.
No offense to our law enforcement members here but this just proves the old axiom: When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!
-Dr Watt
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2012, 05:51:38 AM
I wonder if he is rethinking the caliber of his weapon.
I find it hard to believe it was a 9mm, more like a 32 or possibly a 22, based on the recoil.
Williams, who has a concealed weapons permit, pulled out a .380-caliber handgun while two 19-year-old men tried to rob the Palms Internet Café last Friday night. He fired at the men, who were both shot and quickly fled the scene.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07/samuel-williams-shoots-ocala-internet-caf-robbery-suspects-77955.html (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07/samuel-williams-shoots-ocala-internet-caf-robbery-suspects-77955.html)
Quote from: bluelieu on July 18, 2012, 09:53:32 AM
Williams, who has a concealed weapons permit, pulled out a .380-caliber handgun while two 19-year-old men tried to rob the Palms Internet Café last Friday night. He fired at the men, who were both shot and quickly fled the scene.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07/samuel-williams-shoots-ocala-internet-caf-robbery-suspects-77955.html (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/07/samuel-williams-shoots-ocala-internet-caf-robbery-suspects-77955.html)
Thanks for clearing that up.
That explains how they were able to get away.
Nice piece to scare people with, or make them bleed out hours later, but unless you hit vital areas, a 380 just doesn't have it.
Nice back up piece, but a 38 sp, 357, 45 etc would be my first choice over a 380.
Don't get me wrong, they are a nice piece with little recoil, but if I'm going to pull the trigger, I want to make sure I break bones in the most severe fashion possible.
I wonder if he will rethink what he packs in the future?
Quote from: Jasmine on July 17, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
He should have shot the guy in the head, going for the kill shot.
These punks will probably recover, go to jail for a few weeks, and then be released to do more harm. Better to have shot them dead in the first place.
Amen and farewell.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 07:58:03 PM
It wasn't his aim, it was his gun, he needed a 44, then he'd have been on target....anywhere. :laugh:
Maybe he carried what he felt he could handle. A .44 might be more than he felt his wrists could handle. That's probably why he went for center mass, as opposed to the trickier head shot.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 18, 2012, 12:59:06 PM
Maybe he carried what he felt he could handle. A .44 might be more than he felt his wrists could handle. That's probably why he went for center mass, as opposed to the trickier head shot.
That was my original comment, in that there is little recoil and for a man his age, that's a good thing.
But the fact that he hit both of them can't be over looked, most people in his situation, would surely have missed.
It takes practice to fire under such circumstances and in all truth, he did a damned fine job. :thumbup:
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
That was my original comment, in that there is little recoil and for a man his age, that's a good thing.
But the fact that he hit both of them can't be over looked, most people in his situation, would surely have missed.
It takes practice to fire under such circumstances and in all truth, he did a damned fine job. :thumbup:
I quite agree.
I'm reminded of that scene in The Shootist, where Ron Howard and The Duke are target shooting bottles. Wayne hits (I think) 8 and Howard hits 7.
This prompts Howard to say, "I hit almost as many as you did. I'm almost as good a shot as you."
To which The Duke replies, "The bottles weren't shooting back!".
I wonder if Obama will put out a statement saying that if he had a son, he would look a lot like those punks who got their asses handed to them?
Maybe he will wait until they get out of the hospital...
-Dr Watt
Quote from: bluelieu on July 17, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
Florida....Two mopes in hoodies...Isn't that special! :biggrin:
They were just wearing their commenmorative Fertilizer Boy Hoodies to show the white man they have rights! Too bad the old guy didn't kill them.
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 18, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
I quite agree.
I'm reminded of that scene in The Shootist, where Ron Howard and The Duke are target shooting bottles. Wayne hits (I think) 8 and Howard hits 7.
This prompts Howard to say, "I hit almost as many as you did. I'm almost as good a shot as you."
To which The Duke replies, "The bottles weren't shooting back!".
I wonder if Obama will put out a statement saying that if he had a son, he would look a lot like those punks who got their asses handed to them?
Maybe he will wait until they get out of the hospital...
-Dr Watt
The Kenyan is full of dreams and fantasy, nothing in his world reflects reality, nothing.
If the Kenyan had a son, the little thug may have done us all a favor and did his worthless ass in.
If I sound a bit callous anymore, it's because no matter how much he lies, or how much damage he does, idiot libs still carry water for the dumb fuck.
What does that say about the average IQ of a Hussein supporter?
And what do they focus on, Bain/Romney? Forgetting the fact that he damned near destroyed the country and left race relations is shambles.
Think about it, Zimmerman gets his bail raised to one hundred grand and these scum will be out walking around next week.
[rant off] :unsure:
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2012, 06:39:01 AM
The Kenyan is full of dreams and fantasy, nothing in his world reflects reality, nothing.
If the Kenyan had a son, the little thug may have done us all a favor and did his worthless ass in.
If I sound a bit callous anymore, it's because no matter how much he lies, or how much damage he does, idiot libs still carry water for the dumb fuck.
What does that say about the average IQ of a Hussein supporter?
And what do they focus on, Bain/Romney? Forgetting the fact that he damned near destroyed the country and left race relations is shambles.
Think about it, Zimmerman gets his bail raised to one hundred grand and these scum will be out walking around next week.
[rant off] :unsure:
I think I needed a sarcasm emo for the last part of my post... :wink:
-Dr Watt
Shame he didn't finish the job. Now he will probably get sued by the dirt bags!
Quote from: Dr_Watt on July 19, 2012, 06:59:58 AM
I think I needed a sarcasm emo for the last part of my post... :wink:
-Dr Watt
It wasn't your post, I just went off all on my own. :laugh: :laugh: