Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Some people only listen to themselves.

Since you've already recognized the problem, you're halfway to understanding the issue.
Now put down the Koolaid and back away slowly from Trump's ass.

Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
In Texas they also loved Ron Paul. Cruz is becoming Ron Paul and will have Ron Paul's future if he continues as he is. He will have a small, angry and militant group of followers as is base and his peak.

Correct, Trump did not carry the Wall Street crowd.

Trump is not a social conservative. Nor was Barry Goldwater. Trump is a pragmatic nationalistic centrist, not a dogmatic religious ideologue on the right. Claiming to be the most fundamentalist Christian candidate who says the words "Bible," "Jesus" and "Judeo-Christian values" as the candidate's foremost selling point can not win a primary, let alone a general election. Militantly being a pro-America nationalist might be able to win in November as it won the primary.

Regardless, that is who Trump-the-candidate is. Your choice whether to believe it or not. In my view, much of it is an act. But in my view Senator Cruz talking like he's a preacher at a tent revival also is mostly just an act. Politicians mostly are actors when given speeches. Cruz is not different. Nor is Trump.

Trump is not like Ronald Reagan nor is Cruz. In my opinion Cruz is painting himself into a political corner.

What you fail to understand, is all the things you listed as positives in Trump? Social aspect being irrelevant, but the pragmatic claim is just what is killing the GOP, reaching across the aisle to appease Marxists is not considered governing, it's called being an arm of the DNC.
What you consider as positives, Conservatives despise the man for, in addition to the fact that he's a fucking lib.

Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2016, 05:30:22 AM
What you fail to understand, is all the things you listed as positives in Trump? Social aspect being irrelevant, but the pragmatic claim is just what is killing the GOP, reaching across the aisle to appease Marxists is not considered governing, it's called being an arm of the DNC.
What you consider as positives, Conservatives despise the man for, in addition to the fact that he's a fucking lib.

You oppose American nationalism?

Quote from: JakeJ on July 22, 2016, 05:38:17 AM
You oppose American nationalism?

I oppose a Nationalist Fascist!

Quote from: JakeJ on July 22, 2016, 05:38:17 AM
You oppose American National Socialism?

Fixed it for Ya!        There are only 2 options:

1.  Get government out-of-the-way, less regulations, lower taxes, less tariffs, etc. - which encourages entrepreneurs and small business start ups.

2.  Get government into every aspect of business, create government funded jobs, add protectionism, tariffs, increase fines, penalties & regulations.

Trump is a National Socialist.  If you want to call him an American National Socialist - by definition, you're suggesting America never was the home of the Free & brave.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 22, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Fixed it for Ya!        There are only 2 options:

1.  Get government out-of-the-way, less regulations, lower taxes, less tariffs, etc. - which encourages entrepreneurs and small business start ups.

2.  Get government into every aspect of business, create government funded jobs, add protectionism, tariffs, increase fines, penalties & regulations.

Trump is a National Socialist.  If you want to call him an American National Socialist - by definition, you're suggesting America never was the home of the Free & brave.

Well stated.

I guess I'm not getting an answer to what the hype was.

Quote from: je_freedom on July 21, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
I'll stick my neck out here and make a prediction:

I predict that The Donald will apologize to TrusTed tonight in his acceptance speech.

TrusTed already did find a way to say vote for Trump without using the word "endorse."
He did it in his speech last night.

I'm inclined to think that this whole scenario of
TrusTed's "non-endorsement" and The Donald's coming apology
was agreed to in advance by both sides.
That explains why The Donald agreed to let TrusTed have a prime time slot.

It's a really well designed publicity stunt.
It's a way to get A LOT of attention for the reconciliation of the two factions.

As the Great Philosopher said:

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
-- Yogi Berra

I think The Donald and TrusTed really blew an opportunity here.
It would have been better if the two had found a way to make up.
We need all the unity we can get against the Dims.

Apparently, The Donald was thinking something along the lines of,
"If he comes out against me, he looks like a sore loser.
If he comes out for me, he looks like a weenie.
Either way, I look like the bigger man for letting him have a prime time slot."

It looks like The Donald saw giving TrusTed a prime time slot
as a way of giving Ted enough rope to hang himself.

I really would have preferred it if they had have found a way to bury the hatchet.
The Donald wouldn't have had to explicitly apologize.
He could have said something like,
"Ted is really a good guy.  He and his whole family."

I'm really unhappy about the way it turned out.

The candidates really should be reading this forum.
They'd get some good ideas here.

Quote from: je_freedom on July 22, 2016, 07:26:00 PM
As the Great Philosopher said:

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
-- Yogi Berra

I think The Donald and TrusTed really blew an opportunity here.
It would have been better if the two had found a way to make up.
We need all the unity we can get against the Dims.

Apparently, The Donald was thinking something along the lines of,
"If he comes out against me, he looks like a sore loser.
If he comes out for me, he looks like a weenie.
Either way, I look like the bigger man for letting him have a prime time slot."

It looks like The Donald saw giving TrusTed a prime time slot
as a way of giving Ted enough rope to hang himself.

I really would have preferred it if they had have found a way to bury the hatchet.
The Donald wouldn't have had to explicitly apologize.
He could have said something like,
"Ted is really a good guy.  He and his whole family."

I'm really unhappy about the way it turned out.

The candidates really should be reading this forum.
They'd get some good ideas here.

Then place the blame where it belongs, on Trump.

July 22, 2016, 11:01 am
Trump on Cruz endorsement: 'If he gives it, I won't accept it'

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288871-trump-i-would-not-accept-cruzs-endorsement

Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2016, 07:47:12 PM
Then place the blame where it belongs, on Trump.

July 22, 2016, 11:01 am
Trump on Cruz endorsement: 'If he gives it, I won't accept it'

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288871-trump-i-would-not-accept-cruzs-endorsement

just one question...how would trump not accept teds endorsement???

kinda like not accepting the sunrise aint it

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Quote from: blades on July 22, 2016, 08:03:22 PM

just one question...how would trump not accept teds endorsement???

kinda like not accepting the sunrise aint it

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Stop that! Like turning down sex that was never offered, I guess?

Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2016, 07:47:12 PM
Then place the blame where it belongs, on Trump.

July 22, 2016, 11:01 am
Trump on Cruz endorsement: 'If he gives it, I won't accept it'

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288871-trump-i-would-not-accept-cruzs-endorsement

It would appear that Trump is looking ahead to 2020 by attacking Cruz rather than Clinton. Maybe he understands he doesn't have a chance against Clinton and is preparing for 4 years of war against Cruz in preparation for a run again in 2020.

QuoteTrump doubles down on anti-Cruz JFK assassination slander
By Daniel John Sobieski
Donald Trump almost had me.  After giving a riveting and conservative-leaning acceptance speech, I was willing to hold my nose, heed the advice of my peers, and in the name of the Supreme Court, if nothing else, vote for the man who is not Hillary Clinton.  But then he proved to be a sore winner, doubling down on his repetition of a slanderous article in the National Enquirer linking Ted Cruz's father to Lee Harvey Oswald and the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/trump_doubles_down_on_anticruz_jfk_assassination_slander.html

Quote from: tac on July 23, 2016, 03:11:26 AM
It would appear that Trump is looking ahead to 2020 by attacking Cruz rather than Clinton. Maybe he understands he doesn't have a chance against Clinton and is preparing for 4 years of war against Cruz in preparation for a run again in 2020.

Yes, his claim of Ted's career being over was the jab of someone that knows they didn't actually win the admiration of the American people, they stole the position, kind of like "Mirror mirror on the wall Who's the Smartest in The Land?" mirror responds, "Sure as Fuck Ain't You Moron, It's Ted Cruz"'
So if he can't win the people over, he'll destroy the one they admire more than him.

He is such a petty little man, with little hands, little appendages and little intellect.

Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
In Texas they also loved Ron Paul. Cruz is becoming Ron Paul and will have Ron Paul's future if he continues as he is. He will have a small, angry and militant group of followers as is base and his peak.

Correct, Trump did not carry the Wall Street crowd.

Trump is not a social conservative. Nor was Barry Goldwater. Trump is a pragmatic nationalistic centrist, not a dogmatic religious ideologue on the right. Claiming to be the most fundamentalist Christian candidate who says the words "Bible," "Jesus" and "Judeo-Christian values" as the candidate's foremost selling point can not win a primary, let alone a general election. Militantly being a pro-America nationalist might be able to win in November as it won the primary.

Regardless, that is who Trump-the-candidate is. Your choice whether to believe it or not. In my view, much of it is an act. But in my view Senator Cruz talking like he's a preacher at a tent revival also is mostly just an act. Politicians mostly are actors when given speeches. Cruz is not different. Nor is Trump.

Trump is not like Ronald Reagan nor is Cruz. In my opinion Cruz is painting himself into a political corner.

I'd not be quickly comparing other politicians to the Statesman, Ted Cruz.  Only if you completely ignore Ted's history at solicitor general, arguing before the supreme court - clearly defending the constitution, he *might* start looking like Barry Goldwater.  There are all kinds of political actors who ply short-sighted people (Donald Trump), with promises of jobs, walls and getting even... painting themselves as a bully-for-hire.  In a rather short time, after taking the oath of office, reality sets in, we actually have 3 branches of government - and you've better know HOW to work with the other two.

Cruz didn't end his political career, he's actually enhancing it, which Trump realizes - and the best he can do is try to marginalize Ted, who will become a major thorn in the keister if Ted doesn't collapse or continues to garner MORE support.  Trump is painting himself into a political corner, keeping Ted on the front page, and driving a wider wedge between himself and the Conservatives he needs to win.

If this loud-mouth paper tiger manages to beat the weakest Democratic candidate in history (Hillary), the progressive media is going to eat his lunch, and can easily paint him as the blow-hard he is.

Quote from: blades on July 22, 2016, 08:03:22 PM

just one question...how would trump not accept teds endorsement???

kinda like not accepting the sunrise aint it

Trump is trying to take control of the narrative. 

"I command the sun to rise at 6am" 

(It comes up at 5am) 

"See, even the sun knows it better be on-time, or else!!!"

(only a moron would buy nonsense like that)


As Rush Limbaugh said, 'If the media made you, they know they can break you'.
Trump is a media creation, Cruz is self-made. 
Trump can't handle Cruz, but Cruz easily out-maneuvers the media.
Trump falls for media set-ups, thinking he's in control, but Cruz easily takes apart the 'take-downs' and media 'set-ups'.

IMO - Trump really ought to make nice with Cruz, and team up with him... where ever they can.  Expecting Ted Cruz to abandon his principles - well, forget it.  However, Ted Cruz is the intellectual horse-power Donald Trump lacks, the tough-guy talk is already wearing thin, and creating a media event out of nonsense is like the morning fog, it'll clear up soon enough.