Let the truth be told you are watching and witnessing a true Statesman at work.
"servile puppy dog"...
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EPIC! Ted Cruz SCHOOLS delegate on why didn't honor his pledge and support Trump [WATCH!]
Read more: http://therightscoop.com/epic-ted-cruz-schools-delegate-on-why-didnt-honor-his-pledge-and-support-trump-watch/#ixzz4F3gcabJF
I just got kicked off of tea party command site for saying that ted had an oath to the constitution that overrides his pledge to the GOP...
man they are some fascist nazi ducks over there
go ted
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Trump is a Liberal Demorat. He can't comprehend the idea of personal principles, coming before party loyalty.
This is like the guy/gal who gets slobbering drunk in a sleazy bar, and manages to take home the absolute worst possible individual. In the morning they wake up, hung over and much to their amazment, discover they just spent the night with a tranny.
If Trump manages to win the general, I wonder how long it'll be before the populace wake up out of their stupor and realize how foolish they were in voting for Donald Trump... and doing it in such an embarassing fashion.
Quote from: blades on July 21, 2016, 08:55:01 AM
I just got kicked off of tea party command site for saying that ted had an oath to the constitution that overrides his pledge to the GOP...
man they are some fascist nazi ducks over there
go ted
What site was that, Tea party nation? :lol:
Senator Ted Cruz's strategy of Donald Trump losing so that he can run in 2020 is one of the most terrible of consequences. By then, 1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices will be replaced for decades that can not be undone just to name one of the terrible consequences.
There also is "what goes around comes around." While Reagan did not endorse Ford, Reagan was terribly behind until the Iran hostage crisis went on for over a year. The residual anger of Ford supporters otherwise may have cost Reagan the election. Trump's core supporters are so loyal that if Trump loses they will blame Ted Cruz. His "stand on principle" is also a stand of apathy - at best - to whether Hillary Clinton is the next president.
The soar grapes loser stance of Bush, Kasich and Cruz helps none of them and only Hillary Clinton. If Trump loses but in a very close race, they will be who most helped Clinton stack the Supreme Court with radically liberal activist judges for the next 3 decades. This decision of Ted Cruz likely harms his political future.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 01:07:59 PM
Senator Ted Cruz's strategy of Donald Trump losing so that he can run in 2020 is one of the most terrible of consequences. By then, 1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices will be replaced for decades that can not be undone just to name one of the terrible consequences.
There also is "what goes around comes around." While Reagan did not endorse Ford, Reagan was terribly behind until the Iran hostage crisis went on for over a year. The residual anger of Ford supporters otherwise may have cost Reagan the election. Trump's core supporters are so loyal that if Trump loses they will blame Ted Cruz. His "stand on principle" is also a stand of apathy - at best - to whether Hillary Clinton is the next president.
The soar grapes loser stance of Bush, Kasich and Cruz helps none of them and only Hillary Clinton. If Trump loses but in a very close race, they will be who most helped Clinton stack the Supreme Court with radically liberal activist judges for the next 3 decades. This decision of Ted Cruz likely harms his political future.
When will people realize that their support of Trump is what will put Hillary in the white house? Its not us nevertrumpers. We were simply smart enough to see that liberals chose the GOP nominee in open primaries to ensure their queen won the general. I have zero guilt or shame that I will follow my morals and convictions and write in the only qualified candidate that most closely matches my values and beliefs and I refuse to help elect either democrat.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 01:07:59 PM
Senator Ted Cruz's strategy of Donald Trump losing so that he can run in 2020 is one of the most terrible of consequences. By then, 1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices will be replaced for decades that can not be undone just to name one of the terrible consequences.
There also is "what goes around comes around." While Reagan did not endorse Ford, Reagan was terribly behind until the Iran hostage crisis went on for over a year. The residual anger of Ford supporters otherwise may have cost Reagan the election. Trump's core supporters are so loyal that if Trump loses they will blame Ted Cruz. His "stand on principle" is also a stand of apathy - at best - to whether Hillary Clinton is the next president.
The soar grapes loser stance of Bush, Kasich and Cruz helps none of them and only Hillary Clinton. If Trump loses but in a very close race, they will be who most helped Clinton stack the Supreme Court with radically liberal activist judges for the next 3 decades. This decision of Ted Cruz likely harms his political future.
After that ass whipping Lion Ted Cruz gave you liberal freaks late night your still coming back for more.
You're worry about the Supreme Court. The SCOTUS was lost a very long time ago...remember the ObamaCare ruling..? Since you forgot about that I'll bring you up to speed and school you a little more. Just in June 2016 the SCOTUS ruled against the state of Texas on abortion....guess what the ruling was 6-2, 6-2 my liberal friend. Like you stated 2 or 3 SCOTUS might be replace. From your own words the ruling would have been 6-5 at best. Guess what...yup you lost the ruling and you lost the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Abortion Restrictions http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/us/supreme-court-texas-abortion.html?_r=0
One more ruling my liberal friend. The SCOTUS ruled against the two Marines on their 2nd Amendment stance. So please don't tell me about losing the Supreme Court it's lost already.
Read about both cases here.
Supreme Court makes major rulings on abortion, gun rights, corruption
https://www.rt.com/usa/348571-scotus-rules-abortion-guns/
Your upset at Lion Ted Cruz because he exposed you as the liberal you are.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 01:07:59 PM
Senator Ted Cruz's strategy of Donald Trump losing so that he can run in 2020 is one of the most terrible of consequences. By then, 1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices will be replaced for decades that can not be undone just to name one of the terrible consequences.
There also is "what goes around comes around." While Reagan did not endorse Ford, Reagan was terribly behind until the Iran hostage crisis went on for over a year. The residual anger of Ford supporters otherwise may have cost Reagan the election. Trump's core supporters are so loyal that if Trump loses they will blame Ted Cruz. His "stand on principle" is also a stand of apathy - at best - to whether Hillary Clinton is the next president.
The soar grapes loser stance of Bush, Kasich and Cruz helps none of them and only Hillary Clinton. If Trump loses but in a very close race, they will be who most helped Clinton stack the Supreme Court with radically liberal activist judges for the next 3 decades. This decision of Ted Cruz likely harms his political future.
Soooooo One way or the other YOU WILL be voting for a democrat. That will add "1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices." Welcome to the one party GOPer-RINO democrat party.
Quote from: walkstall on July 21, 2016, 01:37:00 PM
Soooooo One way or the other YOU WILL be voting for a democrat. That will add "1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices." Welcome to the one party GOPer-RINO democrat party.
Leave my monkey alone. he's not bothering anyone, he's just having a good time laughing. Resizing hurts his feeling.. :lol:
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I did not resize one just for you today.
But if your monkey is running on feelings.
He must be a Dem LOL
walks
Vote however you want to, that's how it works. If writing in Cruz's name is something you have to do then that's what you got to do.
The core stance of the Supreme Court on abortion will never change regardless, so Ted Cruz is irrelevant in that topic just like every other candidate is. However, most votes on the Supreme Court on left-right decisions are decided by 1 vote, such as Obamacare.
I do not share the view that if everything isn't exactly as I want then I'll cast a malcontent vote only about myself and in doing so erasing my relevancy to reality.
In my opinion, Senator Cruz should either have kept his signed and verbal pledge or stayed away. Instead, he decided to give a campaign speech for himself and to disrupt the convention to the benefit of Hillary Clinton. While the RINO establishment would cheer his doing so, it will not earn him their support as I suspect he hopes. A bad loser is just that regardless of reasons given.
However, I am quite confident that before the election and maybe soon he'll find excuse to say people should vote for Trump without using the word "endorse." If not, I suspect he will never be a national political figure again but rather a Ron Paul style fringe candidate. I wonder if he sees that prospect for the path he - only he - took?
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
Vote however you want to, that's how it works. If writing in Cruz's name is something you have to do then that's what you got to do.
The core stance of the Supreme Court on abortion will never change regardless, so Ted Cruz is irrelevant in that topic just like every other candidate is. However, most votes on the Supreme Court on left-right decisions are decided by 1 vote, such as Obamacare.
I do not share the view that if everything isn't exactly as I want then I'll cast a malcontent vote only about myself and in doing so erasing my relevancy to reality.
In my opinion, Senator Cruz should either have kept his signed and verbal pledge or stayed away. Instead, he decided to give a campaign speech for himself and to disrupt the convention to the benefit of Hillary Clinton. While the RINO establishment would cheer his doing so, it will not earn him their support as I suspect he hopes. A bad loser is just that regardless of reasons given.
However, I am quite confident that before the election and maybe soon he'll find excuse to say people should vote for Trump without using the word "endorse." If not, I suspect he will never be a national political figure again but rather a Ron Paul style fringe candidate. I wonder if he sees that prospect for the path he - only he - took?
When hillary stomps trumps ass, things will change. Thank god we will still have a man of character who doesnt sell out to the liberals....
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
Vote however you want to, that's how it works. If writing in Cruz's name is something you have to do then that's what you got to do.
The core stance of the Supreme Court on abortion will never change regardless, so Ted Cruz is irrelevant in that topic just like every other candidate is. However, most votes on the Supreme Court on left-right decisions are decided by 1 vote, such as Obamacare.
I do not share the view that if everything isn't exactly as I want then I'll cast a malcontent vote only about myself and in doing so erasing my relevancy to reality.
In my opinion, Senator Cruz should either have kept his signed and verbal pledge or stayed away. Instead, he decided to give a campaign speech for himself and to disrupt the convention to the benefit of Hillary Clinton. While the RINO establishment would cheer his doing so, it will not earn him their support as I suspect he hopes. A bad loser is just that regardless of reasons given.
However, I am quite confident that before the election and maybe soon he'll find excuse to say people should vote for Trump without using the word "endorse." If not, I suspect he will never be a national political figure again but rather a Ron Paul style fringe candidate. I wonder if he sees that prospect for the path he - only he - took?
It is quite amusing, that despite Ted Cruz congradulating Donald Trump - the first thing in his speech last night, and Ted's call to unity over the Constutition, this "little knat of a man" who just "ruined his career" like Ronald Reagan did... is living RENT FREE in the Trump-a-loons heads.
It's almost like Ted managed to corner all the Constutitional issues, and Trump has nothing but policy pebbles to toss at anyone who disagrees. Let's hear Trump's grand plan that EARNED your undying support! All I've been hearing is Trump criticizing - nothing I can honestly say I can agree with him on.
Put yourself in Ted Cruz's shoes, and be careful, if you're a married man with your wife and kids in the room. Here it is: Some bloated moron insults your wife for 6 months, and you try to take the high road, pretty much ignoring him. He goes on, to malign your father, publically calls you a liar and tries to brand you as an untrustworthy, lying, crooked person.
Then - without an apology of any sort, you're suppose to say, "Hey man, you're the greatest..." and donate your time & money to his cause.
How long would it take your wife to start questioning why the hell she married a worthless whimp like you? Trust me on this, Ivanka Trump just witnessed her dad being outclassed, and stood up by a man of stature, intellect, honesty and a true gentleman last night. She was probably feeling sorry for Ted & Donald - sorry for the CRAP Donald dished out to an honest man, and sorry her dad acted like a total ass, a man without any class.
Ted Cruz WON that little skirmish, that's why you and the MSM are hell bent to try and topple him.Don't believe me? Ask yourself why Ted Cruz is living rent free in your head - it's because your conscience is telling you, Ted Cruz is a better choice, a superior intellect and a true Patriot - and your choice ... well... kinda sucks.
In case you forget, Trump backed out of supporting the GOP nominee... and said 2x he didn't want Ted Cruz's support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKVCHuhIZ40
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 01:07:59 PM
Senator Ted Cruz's strategy of Donald Trump losing so that he can run in 2020 is one of the most terrible of consequences. By then, 1, 2 or even 3 Supreme Court Justices will be replaced for decades that can not be undone just to name one of the terrible consequences.
There also is "what goes around comes around." While Reagan did not endorse Ford, Reagan was terribly behind until the Iran hostage crisis went on for over a year. The residual anger of Ford supporters otherwise may have cost Reagan the election. Trump's core supporters are so loyal that if Trump loses they will blame Ted Cruz. His "stand on principle" is also a stand of apathy - at best - to whether Hillary Clinton is the next president.
The soar grapes loser stance of Bush, Kasich and Cruz helps none of them and only Hillary Clinton. If Trump loses but in a very close race, they will be who most helped Clinton stack the Supreme Court with radically liberal activist judges for the next 3 decades. This decision of Ted Cruz likely harms his political future.
Roughly 12 million voted for Trump in the primary, out of that 12 million, only 3 million were Republicans, the rest libs and so caLLED MODERATES....
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
However, I am quite confident that before the election and maybe soon he'll find excuse to say people should vote for Trump without using the word "endorse." If not, I suspect he will never be a national political figure again but rather a Ron Paul style fringe candidate. I wonder if he sees that prospect for the path he - only he - took?
I'll stick my neck out here and make a prediction:
I predict that The Donald will apologize to TrusTed tonight in his acceptance speech.
TrusTed already did find a way to say vote for Trump without using the word "endorse."
He did it in his speech last night.
I'm inclined to think that this whole scenario of
TrusTed's "non-endorsement" and The Donald's coming apology
was agreed to in advance by both sides.
That explains why The Donald agreed to let TrusTed have a prime time slot.
It's a really well designed publicity stunt.
It's a way to get A LOT of attention for the reconciliation of the two factions.
Quote from: je_freedom on July 21, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
I'll stick my neck out here and make a prediction:
I predict that The Donald will apologize to TrusTed tonight in his acceptance speech.
TrusTed already did find a way to say vote for Trump without using the word "endorse."
He did it in his speech last night.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What fuckin speech were you listening too?
Ted actually told the base to write him in, when he clearly stated
"Vote Your Conscience" Which was a motto for Never Trumpers.
Senator Cruz is making a common mistake dynamic politicians with high speaking skills makes:
1. Comes to believe his own hype and
2. becoming too big for his own britches.elf
What he did was double down on what is his greatest negative against him - to singularly be for himself and both attacking and trying to upstage everyone else, loyal to no one but himself. That catches up with a person. Here are examples:
Pence endorsed him in Indiana. Last night was supposed to be Pence's night. But Cruz not only stole Pence's spotlight, but didn't even hint urging anyone to vote for Pence. Many Republican officials and candidates endorsed Cruz - and in return Cruz torpedoed them by not urging people to vote Republican. Cruz is loyal to no one, only takes and never gives, and is a one-man show.
This morning, Cruz attacked the Republican head of the Senate and former Republican head of the House of Representatives. But not Reed and Pelosi. When Cruz goes on the attack, over 90% of the time he is attacking the Republican Party, Republican leadership and Republican officials, not Democrats. Indirectly this is attacking every activist and contributor to those other candidates and officials.
Combined, why should ANY elected Republican in any position, any Republican official at any level or any Republican activist or contributor support Cruz UNLESS they oppose ALL Republicans except Cruz?
This makes Cruz a fringe candidate, an untrustable and intensely disliked one-man-show. To win, he has to defeat virtually everyone including those who otherwise would support him because he has an (R) after his name. Cruz doesn't have an (R) after his name to many people. He has an (I) after his name, more anti-Republican than anti-Democrat.
It is a foolish ego driven course for him to take as a smaller and smaller inner circle of followers essentially cheer him for being on the fringe and being politically anti-social. It also means legislatively he can accomplish nothing - for which then he has to increasingly accuse everyone of being liars, cheats, corrupt etc.
There is a curious thing about power. While a person or politician can accumulate great power, no one in the USA can accumulate total stand-alone power. Not Obama. Not Trump. Not FDR, No president ever. The stance that only he is pure and perfect for which everyone else is evil and corrupt can not succeed.
The other problem is one Solar points put, but claims it a plus. As he noted the majority of those who voted for Trump were not hardcore conservatives but rather middle of the roadish ordinary people. A hardcore conservative who curses and condemns everyone who doesn't agree with every word he says will get obliterated in a general election. Again, Cruz is racing down the path to be the next Ron Paul with a highly devoted but notably a minority of voters. Like Ron Paul, those supporters will furiously defend him and curse anyone who disagrees. But Ron Paul could never escape the limitation he created for himself by doing so.
Taking the path of the Christ complex is always a dead end, to climb up on a cross and declare you are persecuted and being treated unfairly - for which everyone who doesn't worship you is damned.
In shorter terms, Cruz did not expand his base. He reduced it and increased his enemies list - all for just another speech. If he does not change the track he put himself on it will be a known dead-end route.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 02:36:56 PM
Vote however you want to, that's how it works. If writing in Cruz's name is something you have to do then that's what you got to do.
The core stance of the Supreme Court on abortion will never change regardless, so Ted Cruz is irrelevant in that topic just like every other candidate is. However, most votes on the Supreme Court on left-right decisions are decided by 1 vote, such as Obamacare.
I do not share the view that if everything isn't exactly as I want then I'll cast a malcontent vote only about myself and in doing so erasing my relevancy to reality.
In my opinion, Senator Cruz should either have kept his signed and verbal pledge or stayed away. Instead, he decided to give a campaign speech for himself and to disrupt the convention to the benefit of Hillary Clinton. While the RINO establishment would cheer his doing so, it will not earn him their support as I suspect he hopes. A bad loser is just that regardless of reasons given.
However, I am quite confident that before the election and maybe soon he'll find excuse to say people should vote for Trump without using the word "endorse." If not, I suspect he will never be a national political figure again but rather a Ron Paul style fringe candidate. I wonder if he sees that prospect for the path he - only he - took?
IMO...the veil was ripped off the the GOP in the RNC last night. It was a reviled that there is only a one party system working against our Constitutional values and laws. If you wanna turn this Republic into a democracy with backing the liberal Trump that's your business but I stand with Ted Cruz in fighting for freedoms and the Constitution of the United States of America..
Your choices in this general election are between two liberal democrats in hillary and Trump. I choose none of them. I choose to write in Ted Cruz.
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
What fuckin speech were you listening too?
Ted actually told the base to write him in, when he clearly stated "Vote Your Conscience" Which was a motto for Never Trumpers.
I was referring to parts near the end, where he said:
WE DESERVE LEADERS WHO STAND FOR PRINCIPLES, THAT UNITE US ALL BEHIND SHARED VALUES, WHO CAST ASIDE ANGER FOR LOVE. THAT IS THE STANDARD WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM EVERYBODY. AND TO THOSE LISTENING,
PLEASE, DO NOT STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER. [APPLAUSE]
...
IF YOU LOVE OUR COUNTRY, AND LOVE YOUR CHILDREN AS MUCH AS I KNOW THAT YOU DO, STAND AND SPEAK AND VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, VOTE FOR CANDIDATES UP AND DOWN THE TICKET WHO YOU TRUST TO DEFEND OUR FREEDOM AND TO BE FAITHFUL TO THE CONSTITUTION. [CHANTING: WE WANT TRUMP]
I APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM OF THE NEW YORK DELEGATION.
...
WE WILL UNITE THE PARTY, WE WILL UNITE THE COUNTRY, BY STANDING TOGETHER FOR SHARED VALUES BY STANDING FOR LIBERTY. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Senator Cruz gave up and quit before the primary is over. If a candidate gives up and quits there isn't really a complaint about not somehow then winning. To have a legitimate claim to a floor fight he would have needed to stay into the very last state rounding up every delegate he could as many were not winner take all states.
I don't think anyone, ever, has won an election by giving up and quitting. Can you name anyone who has? In 1976 Reagan never gave up against Ford and fought to the last state. When Senator Cruz quit it was over for him. Everyone understands that is what happens when a candidate drops out.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 04:56:42 PM
Senator Cruz is making a common mistake dynamic politicians with high speaking skills makes:
1. Comes to believe his own hype and
2. becoming too big for his own britches.elf
What he did was double down on what is his greatest negative against him - to singularly be for himself and both attacking and trying to upstage everyone else, loyal to no one but himself. That catches up with a person. Here are examples:
Pence endorsed him in Indiana. Last night was supposed to be Pence's night. But Cruz not only stole Pence's spotlight, but didn't even hint urging anyone to vote for Pence. Many Republican officials and candidates endorsed Cruz - and in return Cruz torpedoed them by not urging people to vote Republican. Cruz is loyal to no one, only takes and never gives, and is a one-man show.
This morning, Cruz attacked the Republican head of the Senate and former Republican head of the House of Representatives. But not Reed and Pelosi. When Cruz goes on the attack, over 90% of the time he is attacking the Republican Party, Republican leadership and Republican officials, not Democrats. Indirectly this is attacking every activist and contributor to those other candidates and officials.
Combined, why should ANY elected Republican in any position, any Republican official at any level or any Republican activist or contributor support Cruz UNLESS they oppose ALL Republicans except Cruz?
This makes Cruz a fringe candidate, an untrustable and intensely disliked one-man-show. To win, he has to defeat virtually everyone including those who otherwise would support him because he has an (R) after his name. Cruz doesn't have an (R) after his name to many people. He has an (I) after his name, more anti-Republican than anti-Democrat.
It is a foolish ego driven course for him to take as a smaller and smaller inner circle of followers essentially cheer him for being on the fringe and being politically anti-social. It also means legislatively he can accomplish nothing - for which then he has to increasingly accuse everyone of being liars, cheats, corrupt etc.
There is a curious thing about power. While a person or politician can accumulate great power, no one in the USA can accumulate total stand-alone power. Not Obama. Not Trump. Not FDR, No president ever. The stance that only he is pure and perfect for which everyone else is evil and corrupt can not succeed.
The other problem is one Solar points put, but claims it a plus. As he noted the majority of those who voted for Trump were not hardcore conservatives but rather middle of the roadish ordinary people. A hardcore conservative who curses and condemns everyone who doesn't agree with every word he says will get obliterated in a general election. Again, Cruz is racing down the path to be the next Ron Paul with a highly devoted but notably a minority of voters. Like Ron Paul, those supporters will furiously defend him and curse anyone who disagrees. But Ron Paul could never escape the limitation he created for himself by doing so.
Taking the path of the Christ complex is always a dead end, to climb up on a cross and declare you are persecuted and being treated unfairly - for which everyone who doesn't worship you is damned.
In shorter terms, Cruz did not expand his base. He reduced it and increased his enemies list - all for just another speech. If he does not change the track he put himself on it will be a known dead-end route.
Jake, Jake, Jake. I read your first two sentences and stopped. Cruz's hype? Seriously? Obviously you don't have a clue about the man. Please enlighten me as to the 'hype' you a referring to. Secondly, two big for his own britches?? He happened to earn every thread of his 'big' britches .... Next....
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 04:56:42 PM
Taking the path of the Christ complex is always a dead end, to climb up on a cross and declare you are persecuted and being treated unfairly - for which everyone who doesn't worship you is damned.
In shorter terms, Cruz did not expand his base. He reduced it and increased his enemies list - all for just another speech. If he does not change the track he put himself on it will be a known dead-end route.
Jake - You're
obviously describing Donald Trump, "The system is rigged against me! Oh poor me, I can't get a break" Trump has a twisted messiah complex, "We gonna win so much, you'll get sick of winning."
What polling can you site to support your statement: 'Cruz did not expand his base' - just your 'feelings'?
On the other hand, Donald Trump SHRUNK his conservative base,
is still trying to expand his Liberal base by chasing Bernie Sanders supporters.And, in Texas, they love Ted Cruz. He doesn't need the New York Liberal vote... but then Trump couldn't win his own home district, was blown out by Hillary and Bernie.
Did all that meaningless drivel actually come out of your head....? Really - next we'll be treated to, 'Trump is the most conservative candidate' or he's 'just like Ronald Reagan'.
Quote from: je_freedom on July 21, 2016, 05:13:12 PM
I was referring to parts near the end, where he said:
WE DESERVE LEADERS WHO STAND FOR PRINCIPLES, THAT UNITE US ALL BEHIND SHARED VALUES, WHO CAST ASIDE ANGER FOR LOVE. THAT IS THE STANDARD WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM EVERYBODY. AND TO THOSE LISTENING, PLEASE, DO NOT STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER. [APPLAUSE]
...
IF YOU LOVE OUR COUNTRY, AND LOVE YOUR CHILDREN AS MUCH AS I KNOW THAT YOU DO, STAND AND SPEAK AND VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, VOTE FOR CANDIDATES UP AND DOWN THE TICKET WHO YOU TRUST TO DEFEND OUR FREEDOM AND TO BE FAITHFUL TO THE CONSTITUTION. [CHANTING: WE WANT TRUMP]
I APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM OF THE NEW YORK DELEGATION.
...
WE WILL UNITE THE PARTY, WE WILL UNITE THE COUNTRY, BY STANDING TOGETHER FOR SHARED VALUES BY STANDING FOR LIBERTY. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And what pretell gives you the idea he was talking about Trump?
Since when did Trump ever show an interest in the Constitution, or display a set of shared values that we could unite behind?
That last one, ?
""I APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM OF THE NEW YORK DELEGATION."
That was a slam at what we all know to be a bunch of libs.
I see you watched it through the prism of Trump appreciation shades. Believe me, nothing in that speech was meant as praise for the NY Lib.
Some people only listen to themselves.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Some people only listen to themselves.
Learn to use the quote function when posting or I will delete your posts.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 21, 2016, 07:11:02 PM
Jake - You're obviously describing Donald Trump, "The system is rigged against me! Oh poor me, I can't get a break" Trump has a twisted messiah complex, "We gonna win so much, you'll get sick of winning."
What polling can you site to support your statement: 'Cruz did not expand his base' - just your 'feelings'?
On the other hand, Donald Trump SHRUNK his conservative base, is still trying to expand his Liberal base by chasing Bernie Sanders supporters.
And, in Texas, they love Ted Cruz. He doesn't need the New York Liberal vote... but then Trump couldn't win his own home district, was blown out by Hillary and Bernie.
Did all that meaningless drivel actually come out of your head....? Really - next we'll be treated to, 'Trump is the most conservative candidate' or he's 'just like Ronald Reagan'.
In Texas they also loved Ron Paul. Cruz is becoming Ron Paul and will have Ron Paul's future if he continues as he is. He will have a small, angry and militant group of followers as is base and his peak.
Correct, Trump did not carry the Wall Street crowd.
Trump is not a social conservative. Nor was Barry Goldwater. Trump is a pragmatic nationalistic centrist, not a dogmatic religious ideologue on the right. Claiming to be the most fundamentalist Christian candidate who says the words "Bible," "Jesus" and "Judeo-Christian values" as the candidate's foremost selling point can not win a primary, let alone a general election. Militantly being a pro-America nationalist might be able to win in November as it won the primary.
Regardless, that is who Trump-the-candidate is. Your choice whether to believe it or not. In my view, much of it is an act. But in my view Senator Cruz talking like he's a preacher at a tent revival also is mostly just an act. Politicians mostly are actors when given speeches. Cruz is not different. Nor is Trump.
Trump is not like Ronald Reagan nor is Cruz. In my opinion Cruz is painting himself into a political corner.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
In Texas they also loved Ron Paul. Cruz is becoming Ron Paul and will have Ron Paul's future if he continues as he is. He will have a small, angry and militant group of followers as is base and his peak.
Correct, Trump did not carry the Wall Street crowd.
Trump is not a social conservative. Nor was Barry Goldwater. Trump is a pragmatic nationalistic centrist, not a dogmatic religious ideologue on the right. Claiming to be the most fundamentalist Christian candidate who says the words "Bible," "Jesus" and "Judeo-Christian values" as the candidate's foremost selling point can not win a primary, let alone a general election. Militantly being a pro-America nationalist might be able to win in November as it won the primary.
Regardless, that is who Trump-the-candidate is. Your choice whether to believe it or not. In my view, much of it is an act. But in my view Senator Cruz talking like he's a preacher at a tent revival also is mostly just an act. Politicians mostly are actors when given speeches. Cruz is not different. Nor is Trump.
Trump is not like Ronald Reagan nor is Cruz. In my opinion Cruz is painting himself into a political corner.
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Why did Trump get so many Democrat crossover votes?
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 04:56:42 PM
Senator Cruz is making a common mistake dynamic politicians with high speaking skills makes:
1. Comes to believe his own hype and
2. becoming too big for his own britches.elf
What hype is that?
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Some people only listen to themselves.
Since you've already recognized the problem, you're halfway to understanding the issue.
Now put down the Koolaid and back away slowly from Trump's ass.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
In Texas they also loved Ron Paul. Cruz is becoming Ron Paul and will have Ron Paul's future if he continues as he is. He will have a small, angry and militant group of followers as is base and his peak.
Correct, Trump did not carry the Wall Street crowd.
Trump is not a social conservative. Nor was Barry Goldwater. Trump is a pragmatic nationalistic centrist, not a dogmatic religious ideologue on the right. Claiming to be the most fundamentalist Christian candidate who says the words "Bible," "Jesus" and "Judeo-Christian values" as the candidate's foremost selling point can not win a primary, let alone a general election. Militantly being a pro-America nationalist might be able to win in November as it won the primary.
Regardless, that is who Trump-the-candidate is. Your choice whether to believe it or not. In my view, much of it is an act. But in my view Senator Cruz talking like he's a preacher at a tent revival also is mostly just an act. Politicians mostly are actors when given speeches. Cruz is not different. Nor is Trump.
Trump is not like Ronald Reagan nor is Cruz. In my opinion Cruz is painting himself into a political corner.
What you fail to understand, is all the things you listed as positives in Trump? Social aspect being irrelevant, but the pragmatic claim is just what is killing the GOP, reaching across the aisle to appease Marxists is not considered governing, it's called being an arm of the DNC.
What you consider as positives, Conservatives despise the man for, in addition to the fact that he's a fucking lib.
Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2016, 05:30:22 AM
What you fail to understand, is all the things you listed as positives in Trump? Social aspect being irrelevant, but the pragmatic claim is just what is killing the GOP, reaching across the aisle to appease Marxists is not considered governing, it's called being an arm of the DNC.
What you consider as positives, Conservatives despise the man for, in addition to the fact that he's a fucking lib.
You oppose American nationalism?
Quote from: JakeJ on July 22, 2016, 05:38:17 AM
You oppose American nationalism?
I oppose a Nationalist Fascist!
Quote from: JakeJ on July 22, 2016, 05:38:17 AM
You oppose American National Socialism?
Fixed it for Ya! :glare: There are only 2 options:
1. Get government out-of-the-way, less regulations, lower taxes, less tariffs, etc. - which encourages entrepreneurs and small business start ups.
2. Get government into every aspect of business, create government funded jobs, add protectionism, tariffs, increase fines, penalties & regulations.
Trump is a National Socialist. If you want to call him an American National Socialist - by definition, you're suggesting America never was the home of the Free & brave.
Quote from: Hoofer on July 22, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Fixed it for Ya! :glare: There are only 2 options:
1. Get government out-of-the-way, less regulations, lower taxes, less tariffs, etc. - which encourages entrepreneurs and small business start ups.
2. Get government into every aspect of business, create government funded jobs, add protectionism, tariffs, increase fines, penalties & regulations.
Trump is a National Socialist. If you want to call him an American National Socialist - by definition, you're suggesting America never was the home of the Free & brave.
Well stated.
I guess I'm not getting an answer to what the hype was.
Quote from: je_freedom on July 21, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
I'll stick my neck out here and make a prediction:
I predict that The Donald will apologize to TrusTed tonight in his acceptance speech.
TrusTed already did find a way to say vote for Trump without using the word "endorse."
He did it in his speech last night.
I'm inclined to think that this whole scenario of
TrusTed's "non-endorsement" and The Donald's coming apology
was agreed to in advance by both sides.
That explains why The Donald agreed to let TrusTed have a prime time slot.
It's a really well designed publicity stunt.
It's a way to get A LOT of attention for the reconciliation of the two factions.
As the Great Philosopher said:
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
-- Yogi Berra
I think The Donald and TrusTed really blew an opportunity here.
It would have been better if the two had found a way to make up.
We need all the unity we can get against the Dims.
Apparently, The Donald was thinking something along the lines of,
"If he comes out against me, he looks like a sore loser.
If he comes out for me, he looks like a weenie.
Either way, I look like the bigger man for letting him have a prime time slot."
It looks like The Donald saw giving TrusTed a prime time slot
as a way of giving Ted enough rope to hang himself.
I really would have preferred it if they had have found a way to bury the hatchet.
The Donald wouldn't have had to explicitly apologize.
He could have said something like,
"Ted is really a good guy. He and his whole family."
I'm really unhappy about the way it turned out.
The candidates really should be reading this forum.
They'd get some good ideas here.
Quote from: je_freedom on July 22, 2016, 07:26:00 PM
As the Great Philosopher said:
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
-- Yogi Berra
I think The Donald and TrusTed really blew an opportunity here.
It would have been better if the two had found a way to make up.
We need all the unity we can get against the Dims.
Apparently, The Donald was thinking something along the lines of,
"If he comes out against me, he looks like a sore loser.
If he comes out for me, he looks like a weenie.
Either way, I look like the bigger man for letting him have a prime time slot."
It looks like The Donald saw giving TrusTed a prime time slot
as a way of giving Ted enough rope to hang himself.
I really would have preferred it if they had have found a way to bury the hatchet.
The Donald wouldn't have had to explicitly apologize.
He could have said something like,
"Ted is really a good guy. He and his whole family."
I'm really unhappy about the way it turned out.
The candidates really should be reading this forum.
They'd get some good ideas here.
Then place the blame where it belongs, on Trump.
July 22, 2016, 11:01 am
Trump on Cruz endorsement: 'If he gives it, I won't accept it'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288871-trump-i-would-not-accept-cruzs-endorsement
Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2016, 07:47:12 PM
Then place the blame where it belongs, on Trump.
July 22, 2016, 11:01 am
Trump on Cruz endorsement: 'If he gives it, I won't accept it'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288871-trump-i-would-not-accept-cruzs-endorsement
just one question...how would trump not accept teds endorsement???
kinda like not accepting the sunrise aint it
.
.
Quote from: blades on July 22, 2016, 08:03:22 PM
just one question...how would trump not accept teds endorsement???
kinda like not accepting the sunrise aint it
.
.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Stop that! Like turning down sex that was never offered, I guess? :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2016, 07:47:12 PM
Then place the blame where it belongs, on Trump.
July 22, 2016, 11:01 am
Trump on Cruz endorsement: 'If he gives it, I won't accept it'
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288871-trump-i-would-not-accept-cruzs-endorsement
It would appear that Trump is looking ahead to 2020 by attacking Cruz rather than Clinton. Maybe he understands he doesn't have a chance against Clinton and is preparing for 4 years of war against Cruz in preparation for a run again in 2020.
QuoteTrump doubles down on anti-Cruz JFK assassination slander
By Daniel John Sobieski
Donald Trump almost had me. After giving a riveting and conservative-leaning acceptance speech, I was willing to hold my nose, heed the advice of my peers, and in the name of the Supreme Court, if nothing else, vote for the man who is not Hillary Clinton. But then he proved to be a sore winner, doubling down on his repetition of a slanderous article in the National Enquirer linking Ted Cruz's father to Lee Harvey Oswald and the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/trump_doubles_down_on_anticruz_jfk_assassination_slander.html
Quote from: tac on July 23, 2016, 03:11:26 AM
It would appear that Trump is looking ahead to 2020 by attacking Cruz rather than Clinton. Maybe he understands he doesn't have a chance against Clinton and is preparing for 4 years of war against Cruz in preparation for a run again in 2020.
Yes, his claim of Ted's career being over was the jab of someone that knows they didn't actually win the admiration of the American people, they stole the position, kind of like "Mirror mirror on the wall Who's the Smartest in The Land?" mirror responds, "Sure as Fuck Ain't You Moron, It's Ted Cruz"'
So if he can't win the people over, he'll destroy the one they admire more than him.
He is such a petty little man, with little hands, little appendages and little intellect.
Quote from: JakeJ on July 21, 2016, 09:28:41 PM
In Texas they also loved Ron Paul. Cruz is becoming Ron Paul and will have Ron Paul's future if he continues as he is. He will have a small, angry and militant group of followers as is base and his peak.
Correct, Trump did not carry the Wall Street crowd.
Trump is not a social conservative. Nor was Barry Goldwater. Trump is a pragmatic nationalistic centrist, not a dogmatic religious ideologue on the right. Claiming to be the most fundamentalist Christian candidate who says the words "Bible," "Jesus" and "Judeo-Christian values" as the candidate's foremost selling point can not win a primary, let alone a general election. Militantly being a pro-America nationalist might be able to win in November as it won the primary.
Regardless, that is who Trump-the-candidate is. Your choice whether to believe it or not. In my view, much of it is an act. But in my view Senator Cruz talking like he's a preacher at a tent revival also is mostly just an act. Politicians mostly are actors when given speeches. Cruz is not different. Nor is Trump.
Trump is not like Ronald Reagan nor is Cruz. In my opinion Cruz is painting himself into a political corner.
I'd not be quickly comparing other politicians to the Statesman, Ted Cruz. Only if you completely ignore Ted's history at solicitor general, arguing before the supreme court - clearly defending the constitution, he *might* start looking like Barry Goldwater. There are all kinds of political actors who ply short-sighted people (Donald Trump), with promises of jobs, walls and getting even... painting themselves as a bully-for-hire. In a rather short time, after taking the oath of office, reality sets in, we actually have 3 branches of government - and you've better know HOW to work with the other two.
Cruz didn't end his political career,
he's actually enhancing it, which Trump realizes - and the best he can do is try to marginalize Ted, who will become a major thorn in the keister if Ted doesn't collapse or continues to garner MORE support. Trump is painting himself into a political corner, keeping Ted on the front page, and driving a wider wedge between himself and the Conservatives he needs to win.
If this loud-mouth paper tiger manages to beat the weakest Democratic candidate in history (Hillary), the progressive media is going to eat his lunch, and can easily paint him as the blow-hard he is.
Quote from: blades on July 22, 2016, 08:03:22 PM
just one question...how would trump not accept teds endorsement???
kinda like not accepting the sunrise aint it
Trump is trying to take control of the narrative. "I command the sun to rise at 6am"
(It comes up at 5am)
"See, even the sun knows it better be on-time, or else!!!"
(only a moron would buy nonsense like that)
As Rush Limbaugh said, 'If the media made you, they know they can break you'.
Trump is a media creation, Cruz is self-made.
Trump can't handle Cruz, but Cruz easily out-maneuvers the media.
Trump falls for media set-ups, thinking he's in control, but Cruz easily takes apart the 'take-downs' and media 'set-ups'.
IMO - Trump really ought to make nice with Cruz, and team up with him... where ever they can. Expecting Ted Cruz to abandon his principles - well, forget it. However, Ted Cruz is the intellectual horse-power Donald Trump lacks, the tough-guy talk is already wearing thin, and creating a media event out of nonsense is like the morning fog, it'll clear up soon enough.