Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.

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Indeed, I shows we can call sanction of genocide as Obama policy at this point.

Only someone who is completely not engaged with American politics would disagree with you there.

Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2013, 05:56:52 AM
That's the sad part, the happy go lucky lib is clueless as to what ramifications this carries, most don't even realize communism is still a threat.
To me, that's the scariest part, evil thrives among the ignorant, it's why they don't understand retaining our culture is so damned important, why laws regarding immigration are so important, they are piers in our foundation, take this away, and communism will be there to save the lost souls from their own demise.

What the libs don't understand, is the commie is in the House, speeding our demise in the fast lane.

I am with your about 90% but i don't think he is clueless.  He is right on track to destroy our coutnry and the way of life that made us great.  He loves the dictator and I am sure that he will justify a small stipend to help him out.  How do his supporters not understand.?

Quote from: simpsonofpg on May 20, 2013, 07:01:48 AM
I am with your about 90% but i don't think he is clueless. 

I was speaking of the libs, Hussein knows exactly what he is doing, we've known that right from the start, the libs are only just now beginning to realize it.

QuoteHe is right on track to destroy our coutnry and the way of life that made us great.  He loves the dictator and I am sure that he will justify a small stipend to help him out. How do his supporters not understand.?

Yep, he does love these dictators, and you're right, he will find a way to fund the commie.

That's the million dollar question. How does one educate the ignorant? Ignorance is curable, stupid, is forever, and God knows, the left is full of stupid people.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:59:13 AM
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.

I will answer you as short and precise as I can because I want to go in depth but that will make this thread never ending.

The answer is no, the regime in Burma is not worse than i.e Soviet Union or Communist China.

My question to you is what is your point? Because you already knew this to be the answer.

Edit: I ask because you state your question as if it was a refutal of our statements.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:59:13 AM
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.

You really don't get it do you?

You leftys jump up and down and scream when the Right supported Dictators. Where is your outrage when this clown in the Wh does the same thing?

I could launch into a whole disertation of the Politics of South east Asia which you likely wouldn't understand or care about but if you did then you would know why this is such a literal slap in the face to the US' long time ally and Business partner and regional economic power THAILAND.

Suffice it to say my primary reason for posting this was over Last month death of Maggie Thatcher  your hypocritical brethern were screeching about how she "supported" Pol Pot (which was entirely wrong)...Thailand was involved in that complecated scene as well.

Long story short you screech sanctimoniously about support for dictators which yusually turns out bad for the US no matter who does it but....you people are supposed to be so much more morally superior, then you do the same thing....worse, you are stupid and don't learn from past mistakes.


Billy

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on May 21, 2013, 06:20:03 AM

You really don't get it do you?

You leftys jump up and down and scream when the Right supported Dictators. Where is your outrage when this clown in the Wh does the same thing?

I could launch into a whole disertation of the Politics of South east Asia which you likely wouldn't understand or care about but if you did then you would know why this is such a literal slap in the face to the US' long time ally and Business partner and regional economic power THAILAND.

Suffice it to say my primary reason for posting this was over Last month death of Maggie Thatcher  your hypocritical brethern were screeching about how she "supported" Pol Pot (which was entirely wrong)...Thailand was involved in that complecated scene as well.

Long story short you screech sanctimoniously about support for dictators which yusually turns out bad for the US no matter who does it but....you people are supposed to be so much more morally superior, then you do the same thing....worse, you are stupid and don't learn from past mistakes.


Billy

I gave up, it's as if the indoctrination is taking hold, he has a knee jerk reaction to run block for Hussein, regardless of the damage Hussein is doing to the Country.
He's swallowed the lie that the Right are a bunch of greedy corporatist, when in truth, it's the left that are in bed with huge corporations looking to expand the base of power as well, a bit of symbiotic leaching going on within the left, and these kids can't, or are trained to not see it.
Critical thinking is no longer being taught for a reason, the left doesn't want to be questioned over their pursuit of global domination.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:59:13 AM
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.

Are you really serious?  The new level?  Hells bells!  Tyrants and brutal regimes practice like Obama wants to so of course we've got to treat them differently and by all means don't be calling them terrorists!  Trouble is, Oblammer can't get all of us on board with him on this.   Most of us here can't quite play follow the leader when the leader is wrong.  See?  You have to learn to judge what's best yourself and yours when you see yourselves headed in the WRONG direction.   You know that this agenda of Oblammer's isn't working out but you've already made your decision to follow him to hell or you wouldn't be here beating his drum for him. 
We are all paying dearly for allowing Obama in office.  I never would have voted for him in the first election, my suspicions were proven right.  I am truly amazed at the level of naivity you leftists embrace in your continuation of support for such a character as Obama.  He has long lost any creditablity you may have showered on him by his continual meddling and trying to fix what ain't broken for us under the guise of what?  Good will?  Great diplomacy? 

For the 500th time, I'm not supporting Obama. I have stated this is wrong. My point was we have supported dictators many times before so this isn't something that just happened out of no where.

You're thinking in a very simple world, you either hate Obama as much I or you support him.

QuoteI am truly amazed at the level of naivity you leftists embrace in your continuation of support for such a character as Obama.

It's becoming draining to hear stuff like that.

This is what I said in this very thread ...

QuoteIt was not a block. Just a statement that this is not something that Obama has magically decided the US should start doing. This also shouldn't come as a surprise that Obama would do this, he has no problem dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands.

Obama is continuing our foreign policy that we have been playing for decades.

Your absolute hatred and at times paranoid interpretation of events has made you unable to properly debate issues. Even when someone says 'Obama has no problems dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands', you claim that I love and support Obama. That is what you take away from it.

It's really becoming pointless.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 07:45:07 AM


This is what I said in this very thread ...
It was not a block. Just a statement that this is not something that Obama has magically decided the US should start doing. This also shouldn't come as a surprise that Obama would do this, he has no problem dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands.

Obama is continuing our foreign policy that we have been playing for decades.

And you would be wrong, he is not following our policy, he is bastardizing it and funding the enemy in the process.
Does Libya ring any bells?

Solar, we have funded harsh and brutal regimes since the 1950s.

We funded the Taliban, giving them billions.

He absolutely is continuing our foreign policy. If you disagree with this, can you explain the difference between what Obama is doing and what other administrations have done.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 08:26:12 AM
Solar, we have funded harsh and brutal regimes since the 1950s.

We funded the Taliban, giving them billions.

He absolutely is continuing our foreign policy. If you disagree with this, can you explain the difference between what Obama is doing and what other administrations have done.

He backed the Arab Spring, a Muscum Brotherhood backed agenda of securing the M/E in a radical view.
That's how he differs, and if you can't see that, then I can't help you.
It is why he lied about Benghazi, and the truth Will come out.

You're just point to what he did. You didn't address how it differs from how previous foreign policy. We have supported radical Muslim governments before. Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Military dictatorship in Iran before the revolution, Egypt, Turkey.

So I ask, How is this different ?

Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 08:42:11 AM
You're just point to what he did. You didn't address how it differs from how previous foreign policy. We have supported radical Muslim governments before. Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Military dictatorship in Iran before the revolution, Egypt, Turkey.

So I ask, How is this different ?

Sheesh, it's who we support. We have always supported those that could keep the peace, we didn't want war or uprisings by radicals., (status quo) worked well til Carter screwed up Iran.
Now we have Hussein backing the very people we were trying to keep in check, the radical muscum.
Granted, Saudi Arabia is the den of the radical movement of the Wahhabi movement, it is our very own POTUS that is giving them a place from which to work, Libya.
We have never supported the radical, Hussein is enabling them to grow, all the whie claiming they are all but defeated.

Can it be anymore clear than than that?

I see the difference you're speaking of now. ( I think I do anyway)

The difference is not between the level of radicalization of the governments or how brutal they're to their own people. Or even if they go against every democratic principal. The difference is we previously supported brutal regimes who could control their own people and keep things 'civil'. Now we're supporting different fractions who don't have total control.

Well, I see what you're saying.

Are you happy for us to do that throughout our history though ? You know the type of governments we support and you're okay with that ? You know we're the imperial power and believe we have a right to interfere with foreign politics to serve our own interests.

Imagine if you were an Iranian and America helped install a military dictatorship. Would you be happy with America ? Honestly, how would you view America ?