Well here ya go lefties....a few weeks ago you were having kitten over Maggie Thatcher (And the USA) coddling SE Asian Dictator Pol Pot.
Now the head of the Military Junta that controls Burma shows up in DC and will likely try to con His lordship out of several billion taxpayer dollars in order to lay off murdering ethnic Muslims
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/15/obama-burma-myanmar-then-sein-aung-san-suu-kyi/2162851/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/15/obama-burma-myanmar-then-sein-aung-san-suu-kyi/2162851/)
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on May 19, 2013, 09:54:33 PM
Well here ya go lefties....a few weeks ago you were having kitten over Maggie Thatcher (And the USA) coddling SE Asian Dictator Pol Pot.
Now the head of the Military Junta that controls Burma shows up in DC and will likely try to con His lordship out of several billion taxpayer dollars in order to lay off murdering ethnic Muslims
http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/15/obama-burma-myanmar-then-sein-aung-san-suu-kyi/2162851/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/05/15/obama-burma-myanmar-then-sein-aung-san-suu-kyi/2162851/)
Well with all the crap going on in DC oleBlamer needed a friend!
OMFG!!!
Where does one start? By meeting with this dictator, he legitimizes his govt, we in turn legitimize communism in it's crudest form.
Tell me these aren't the words of a commie sympathizer?
Caitlin Hayden, spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said that
"While we are not changing our policy to officially adopt 'Myanmar,' we believe that showing respect for a government that is pursuing an ambitious reform a government that is pursuing an ambitious reform agenda is an important signal of support for its efforts and our desire to help the transformation succeed.
Birds of a feather.....! Well you know the rest.
Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2013, 05:26:44 AM
OMFG!!!
Where does one start? By meeting with this dictator, he legitimizes his govt, we in turn legitimize communism in it's crudest form.
Tell me these aren't the words of a commie sympathizer?
Caitlin Hayden, spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said that
"While we are not changing our policy to officially adopt 'Myanmar,' we believe that showing respect for a government that is pursuing an ambitious reform a government that is pursuing an ambitious reform agenda is an important signal of support for its efforts and our desire to help the transformation succeed.
No human sacrafice is too great for attaining utopia on earth.
Ethnic cleansing and racism under communism is perfectly legitimate it would seem. The end justifies the means etc.
What I dont understand is how the average happygolucky socialist rationalizes this. Is appeasement still socialist policy even after Hitler?
Quote from: Mountainshield on May 20, 2013, 05:46:12 AM
No human sacrafice is too great for attaining utopia on earth.
Ethnic cleansing and racism under communism is perfectly legitimate it would seem. The end justifies the means etc.
What I dont understand is how the average happygolucky socialist rationalizes this. Is appeasement still socialist policy even after Hitler?
That's the sad part, the happy go lucky lib is clueless as to what ramifications this carries, most don't even realize communism is still a threat.
To me, that's the scariest part, evil thrives among the ignorant, it's why they don't understand retaining our culture is so damned important, why laws regarding immigration are so important, they are piers in our foundation, take this away, and communism will be there to save the lost souls from their own demise.
What the libs don't understand, is the commie is in the House, speeding our demise in the fast lane.
You guys are acting as if this is the first time we have had negotiations with a tyrannical regime ...
Our history has shown we don't really care what style of government we deal with, the only question is will they serve our purpose.
Sometimes I really do wonder what makes a socialist, or parasites in general. Some is I think is genetic/genealogical but most of it is culture, but even then there has to be some failure in their brain chemistry for them to see the evidence of corruption and totalitarianism communism brings and come to the conclusion that this is either a good or insignificant.
I.e to use a reference from popular culture how can a socialist watch Rambo the movie by Stallone where he is in Burma, then see Obama legitimize and appease this regime and not think something is very wrong?
Are you referring to me ? If you are, I didn't say nothing was wrong about it.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:17:45 AM
You guys are acting as if this is the first time we have had negotiations with a tyrannical regime ...
Our history has shown we don't really care what style of government we deal with, the only question is will they serve our purpose.
For this administration? Of course not, it's now common place in this marxist administration.
If you actually knew the history of Burna, you wouldn't have tried to run block for Hussein.
Study, it's an excellent defense against the ignorant.
It was not a block. Just a statement that this is not something that Obama has magically decided the US should start doing. This also shouldn't come as a surprise that Obama would do this, he has no problem dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands.
Obama is continuing our foreign policy that we have been playing for decades.
QuoteStudy, it's an excellent defense against the ignorant.
Absolutely.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:41:20 AM
It was not a block. Just a statement that this is not something that Obama has magically decided the US should start doing. This also shouldn't come as a surprise that Obama would do this, he has no problem dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands.
Obama is continuing our foreign policy that we have been playing for decades.
Absolutely.
Wrong! He's taken it to new levels never seen before.
Case in point, Libya.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:30:21 AM
Are you referring to me ? If you are, I didn't say nothing was wrong about it.
I was writing that post before you had posted.
But I dont understand your argument, appeasment of dictators should never be government policy no matter the administration. What happened to "never again" liberal stance? I guess it was just a fad or not relevant when it is committed by communists. This blatant relativism that symbolizes the left become more than just sad when it is genocide we are talking about. Stating that previous administrations were bad does not excuse for this appeasment of one of the most brutal genocidal regimes on earth.
QuoteWrong! He's taken it to new levels never seen before.
Case in point, Libya
Indeed, I shows we can call sanction of genocide as Obama policy at this point.
How so ?
What makes Obama's 'bad guys' any worse than say Pinochet of Chile or Suharto of Indonesia or the Taliban 'government' of Afghanistan ?
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:51:41 AM
How so ?
What makes Obama's 'bad guys' any worse than say Pinochet of Chile or Suharto of Indonesia or the Taliban 'government' of Afghanistan ?
Why is the question who is worse?
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.
Quote
Indeed, I shows we can call sanction of genocide as Obama policy at this point.
Only someone who is completely not engaged with American politics would disagree with you there.
Quote from: Solar on May 20, 2013, 05:56:52 AM
That's the sad part, the happy go lucky lib is clueless as to what ramifications this carries, most don't even realize communism is still a threat.
To me, that's the scariest part, evil thrives among the ignorant, it's why they don't understand retaining our culture is so damned important, why laws regarding immigration are so important, they are piers in our foundation, take this away, and communism will be there to save the lost souls from their own demise.
What the libs don't understand, is the commie is in the House, speeding our demise in the fast lane.
I am with your about 90% but i don't think he is clueless. He is right on track to destroy our coutnry and the way of life that made us great. He loves the dictator and I am sure that he will justify a small stipend to help him out. How do his supporters not understand.?
Quote from: simpsonofpg on May 20, 2013, 07:01:48 AM
I am with your about 90% but i don't think he is clueless.
I was speaking of the libs, Hussein knows exactly what he is doing, we've known that right from the start, the libs are only just now beginning to realize it.
QuoteHe is right on track to destroy our coutnry and the way of life that made us great. He loves the dictator and I am sure that he will justify a small stipend to help him out. How do his supporters not understand.?
Yep, he does love these dictators, and you're right, he will find a way to fund the commie.
That's the million dollar question. How does one educate the ignorant? Ignorance is curable, stupid, is forever, and God knows, the left is full of stupid people.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:59:13 AM
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.
I will answer you as short and precise as I can because I want to go in depth but that will make this thread never ending.
The answer is no, the regime in Burma is not worse than i.e Soviet Union or Communist China.
My question to you is what is your point? Because you already knew this to be the answer.
Edit: I ask because you state your question as if it was a refutal of our statements.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:59:13 AM
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.
You really don't get it do you?
You leftys jump up and down and scream when the Right supported Dictators. Where is your outrage when this clown in the Wh does the same thing?
I could launch into a whole disertation of the Politics of South east Asia which you likely wouldn't understand or care about but if you did then you would know why this is such a literal slap in the face to the US' long time ally and Business partner and regional economic power THAILAND.
Suffice it to say my primary reason for posting this was over Last month death of Maggie Thatcher your hypocritical brethern were screeching about how she "supported" Pol Pot (which was entirely wrong)...Thailand was involved in that complecated scene as well.
Long story short you screech sanctimoniously about support for dictators which yusually turns out bad for the US no matter who does it but....you people are supposed to be so much more morally superior, then you do the same thing....worse, you are stupid and don't learn from past mistakes.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on May 21, 2013, 06:20:03 AM
You really don't get it do you?
You leftys jump up and down and scream when the Right supported Dictators. Where is your outrage when this clown in the Wh does the same thing?
I could launch into a whole disertation of the Politics of South east Asia which you likely wouldn't understand or care about but if you did then you would know why this is such a literal slap in the face to the US' long time ally and Business partner and regional economic power THAILAND.
Suffice it to say my primary reason for posting this was over Last month death of Maggie Thatcher your hypocritical brethern were screeching about how she "supported" Pol Pot (which was entirely wrong)...Thailand was involved in that complecated scene as well.
Long story short you screech sanctimoniously about support for dictators which yusually turns out bad for the US no matter who does it but....you people are supposed to be so much more morally superior, then you do the same thing....worse, you are stupid and don't learn from past mistakes.
Billy
I gave up, it's as if the indoctrination is taking hold, he has a knee jerk reaction to run block for Hussein, regardless of the damage Hussein is doing to the Country.
He's swallowed the lie that the Right are a bunch of greedy corporatist, when in truth, it's the left that are in bed with huge corporations looking to expand the base of power as well, a bit of symbiotic leaching going on within the left, and these kids can't, or are trained to not see it.
Critical thinking is no longer being taught for a reason, the left doesn't want to be questioned over their pursuit of global domination.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 20, 2013, 06:59:13 AM
Because Solar stated that Obama had taken our policy of support/dealing with tyrants and brutal regimes to a new level. So I asking why are the 'bad guys' we support now any worse than the ones we have supported in the past.
Are you really serious? The new level? Hells bells! Tyrants and brutal regimes practice like Obama wants to so of course we've got to treat them differently and by all means don't be calling them terrorists! Trouble is, Oblammer can't get all of us on board with him on this. Most of us here can't quite play follow the leader when the leader is wrong. See? You have to learn to judge what's best yourself and yours when you see yourselves headed in the WRONG direction. You know that this agenda of Oblammer's isn't working out but you've already made your decision to follow him to hell or you wouldn't be here beating his drum for him.
We are all paying dearly for allowing Obama in office. I never would have voted for him in the first election, my suspicions were proven right. I am truly amazed at the level of naivity you leftists embrace in your continuation of support for such a character as Obama. He has long lost any creditablity you may have showered on him by his continual meddling and trying to fix what ain't broken for us under the guise of what? Good will? Great diplomacy?
For the 500th time, I'm not supporting Obama. I have stated this is wrong. My point was we have supported dictators many times before so this isn't something that just happened out of no where.
You're thinking in a very simple world, you either hate Obama as much I or you support him.
QuoteI am truly amazed at the level of naivity you leftists embrace in your continuation of support for such a character as Obama.
It's becoming draining to hear stuff like that.
This is what I said in this very thread ...
QuoteIt was not a block. Just a statement that this is not something that Obama has magically decided the US should start doing. This also shouldn't come as a surprise that Obama would do this, he has no problem dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands.
Obama is continuing our foreign policy that we have been playing for decades.
Your absolute hatred and at times paranoid interpretation of events has made you unable to properly debate issues. Even when someone says 'Obama has no problems dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands', you claim that I love and support Obama. That is what you take away from it.
It's really becoming pointless.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 07:45:07 AM
This is what I said in this very thread ...
It was not a block. Just a statement that this is not something that Obama has magically decided the US should start doing. This also shouldn't come as a surprise that Obama would do this, he has no problem dealing with leaders who have blood on their hands.
Obama is continuing our foreign policy that we have been playing for decades.
And you would be wrong, he is not following our policy, he is bastardizing it and funding the enemy in the process.
Does Libya ring any bells?
Solar, we have funded harsh and brutal regimes since the 1950s.
We funded the Taliban, giving them billions.
He absolutely is continuing our foreign policy. If you disagree with this, can you explain the difference between what Obama is doing and what other administrations have done.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 08:26:12 AM
Solar, we have funded harsh and brutal regimes since the 1950s.
We funded the Taliban, giving them billions.
He absolutely is continuing our foreign policy. If you disagree with this, can you explain the difference between what Obama is doing and what other administrations have done.
He backed the Arab Spring, a Muscum Brotherhood backed agenda of securing the M/E in a radical view.
That's how he differs, and if you can't see that, then I can't help you.
It is why he lied about Benghazi, and the truth Will come out.
You're just point to what he did. You didn't address how it differs from how previous foreign policy. We have supported radical Muslim governments before. Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Military dictatorship in Iran before the revolution, Egypt, Turkey.
So I ask, How is this different ?
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 08:42:11 AM
You're just point to what he did. You didn't address how it differs from how previous foreign policy. We have supported radical Muslim governments before. Taliban, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Military dictatorship in Iran before the revolution, Egypt, Turkey.
So I ask, How is this different ?
Sheesh, it's who we support. We have always supported those that could keep the peace, we didn't want war or uprisings by radicals., (status quo) worked well til Carter screwed up Iran.
Now we have Hussein backing the very people we were trying to keep in check, the radical muscum.
Granted, Saudi Arabia is the den of the radical movement of the Wahhabi movement, it is our very own POTUS that is giving them a place from which to work, Libya.
We have never supported the radical, Hussein is enabling them to grow, all the whie claiming they are all but defeated.
Can it be anymore clear than than that?
I see the difference you're speaking of now. ( I think I do anyway)
The difference is not between the level of radicalization of the governments or how brutal they're to their own people. Or even if they go against every democratic principal. The difference is we previously supported brutal regimes who could control their own people and keep things 'civil'. Now we're supporting different fractions who don't have total control.
Well, I see what you're saying.
Are you happy for us to do that throughout our history though ? You know the type of governments we support and you're okay with that ? You know we're the imperial power and believe we have a right to interfere with foreign politics to serve our own interests.
Imagine if you were an Iranian and America helped install a military dictatorship. Would you be happy with America ? Honestly, how would you view America ?
I guess they will be swapping notes...
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
I see the difference you're speaking of now. ( I think I do anyway)
The difference is not between the level of radicalization of the governments or how brutal they're to their own people. Or even if they go against every democratic principal. The difference is we previously supported brutal regimes who could control their own people and keep things 'civil'. Now we're supporting different fractions who don't have total control.
Well, I see what you're saying.
Are you happy for us to do that throughout our history though ? You know the type of governments we support and you're okay with that ? You know we're the imperial power and believe we have a right to interfere with foreign politics to serve our own interests.
Imagine if you were an Iranian and America helped install a military dictatorship. Would you be happy with America ? Honestly, how would you view America ?
So you somehow think the US is different from Russia, France, Japan etc, in how we manipulate other countries?
You see, this is that perspective thing I talk about, you are too young to remember or understand, but Carter screwed up in Iran and allowed an established Govt to fall to radicals, a country that not only traded with us, but actually liked us, and now look at what leftists have done.
Same goes for Libya, we were on good terms with Gaddafi before Hussein murdered him, and now look at the aftermath, four dead and and extremists are getting a foothold in that part of Africa.
Do you understand the concept of trade with other countries, and do you think the radicals that your messiah is propping up care one iota about trading with us?
Seriously, do you actually think they want a relationship with us?
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 09:25:59 AM
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Imagine if you were an Iranian and America helped install a military dictatorship. Would you be happy with America ? Honestly, how would you view America ?
Imagine if you were an Iranian and the KGB helped install one of their puppets, you might not be an Iranian much longer...you'd be a citizen of the USSR if you lived in whatever portion of Iran the annexed just like they did previously.
Imagine if you were an Iranian under the Shah and chosen to go abroad and get and get an education
even if you were a woman.
Then imagine the green bands who served as the ayatollah's goon squad gained
power and you were called before a revolutionary council to explain
your unislamic westernization and maybe marched to the nearest fireing squad like thousands of other Iranians were.
Are you really this naive ?
Billy
So Solar we're an imperial power. Just like Russia, Japan, England and France.
Did you ever believe in "American exceptionalism" ? When did you realize this is how the world works and America isn't really the beacon of freedom around the world. Because most Americans believe we do fight for principals and democracy etc. But you know it's all just a disillusion. We do things, because it's in our interest to do so, the result on other people is not considered.
QuoteImagine if you were an Iranian and the KGB helped install one of their puppets, you might not be an Iranian much longer...you'd be a citizen of the USSR if you lived in whatever portion of Iran the annexed just like they did previously.
Imagine if you were an Iranian under the Shah and chosen to go abroad and get and get an education
even if you were a woman.
Then imagine the green bands who served as the ayatollah's goon squad gained
power and you were called before a revolutionary council to explain
your unislamic westernization and maybe marched to the nearest fireing squad like thousands of other Iranians were.
Are you really this naive ?
Billy
So you're saying you would be happy with America because they installed a less harsh dictatorship than the Russians probably would have.
What if China funded some militant left wing group in America and benefited from this group gaining power. You and your family would have live under this regime for x amount of decades. Would you support terrorism and hatred against China ?
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 11:03:02 PM
So you're saying you would be happy with America because they installed a less harsh dictatorship than the Russians probably would have.
What if China funded some militant left wing group in America and benefited from this group gaining power. You and your family would have live under this regime for x amount of decades. Would you support terrorism and hatred against China ?
You know damn well what I'm saying...You don't speak for Iranians or anyone else unless you know what you are talking about and your niavity shows you don't.
My knowledge of Iran stems from My brother who was stationed in the place back in the 1960's, from the dozen or so refugees who fled to the USA when the "green band" islamic death squads took over and from the occassional Iranian medical student I meet overseas who secretly hate their current regime.
China...CHINA? :lol: :lol:
Are you aware the Chinese have already funded such a group in the USA....It was called the weathermen....ask your boy Obamao about them.
Or I could let you ask my wife's relatives who fled from Mao and his commies thugs after WW2.
I don't see people fleeing distraught countries and going to Iran or China
Not all of them go to the USA but them damn sure don't go to either of those places.
You got a lots to learn Bro.
Billy
You have gone off on many tangents but have barely addressed my post.
I'm asking, what right does the USA have, or any other imperial power for that matter, to interfere with other countries politics just to serve their own interests ?
You seem to acknowledge the moral bankruptcy when another nation such as China or Russia do it, but excuse it when the USA does it. But that is not surprising, it is always harder to aim the moral compos at your own tribe/people. I'm sure if you ask the majority of Chinese, they would find ways to excuse their governments actions around the world.
I leave the room for moment and when I return we are imperialists?
HAHAHA, Come on, how are we not ?
We're just like every other power that has ever existed throughout human history.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 28, 2013, 01:15:44 AM
I leave the room for moment and when I return we are imperialists?
If it wasn't for us, the middle east would be a beacon of freedom and civility....
It would be more free and democratic, yes.
The fact that we support non-democratic, highly religious and brutal governments/dictators and help keep them in power would suggest we aren't helping. The USA is of course not alone in this, we just happen to be the most powerful nation on earth and therefor have more ability to influence.
"This is not the kind of answer you read in international Journals or the press and so on, there you read sophisticated answers about how people of that region have bad cultures or they have been left out by globalization .... The national security council, the highest planning body, gave their analysis."
From the documentary, " Power and Terror "
"There is a perception in the region that the United States is supporting harsh and brutal and corrupt regimes and is blocking democratization and development and is doing so because of our interest in controlling the oil reserves of the region. It is difficult to counter this perception because it's accurate..." - National Security council
Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 11:03:02 PM
So Solar we're an imperial power. Just like Russia, Japan, England and France.
Did you ever believe in "American exceptionalism" ? When did you realize this is how the world works and America isn't really the beacon of freedom around the world. Because most Americans believe we do fight for principals and democracy etc. But you know it's all just a disillusion. We do things, because it's in our interest to do so, the result on other people is not considered.
So you're saying you would be happy with America because they installed a less harsh dictatorship than the Russians probably would have.
What if China funded some militant left wing group in America and benefited from this group gaining power. You and your family would have live under this regime for x amount of decades. Would you support terrorism and hatred against China ?
Stop Mixing Quotes!!!!
Billy asked if you were naive, I say more ignorant in what we stand for.
The world is a cruel place where dictators are always trying to seize power and your use of American Exceptionalism plays no part in this, which shows more ignorance of knowledge of world affairs.
We are a capitalist Nation based in a Republic form of govt that wants to trade with other Nations, it's in
OUR best interest that these Nations share in our ideology, to see that other areas prosper, we help prop up the best of the worst dictators in these areas.
You ask about Communist China funding groups in America. Are you really so naive that you didn't know the USSR did the very same thing in the 60s that started the hippy movement protesting Nam, and China is no different in their activities in wanting to form America in it's image.
Yes, we're in this mess with the gay movement and a myriad of ills, all thanks to the commies, and it was all planned.
This is why your ignorance is so damned troubling, you have no idea how we got to where we are, so you have no clue as to where we're headed, this is why so many are against Hussein, he is doing the work of the commies, he is a Marxist, and you and your ignorant generation put him in power.
And you dare question the decisions of previous leaders? None of them propped up enemies of Capitalism and trade, but Hussein is.
I hope to Hell this makes you step back and see the bigger picture for a change.
QuoteStop Mixing Quotes!!!!
Billy asked if you were naive, I say more ignorant in what we stand for.
The world is a cruel place where dictators are always trying to seize power and your use of American Exceptionalism plays no part in this, which shows more ignorance of knowledge of world affairs.
We are a capitalist Nation based in a Republic form of govt that wants to trade with other Nations, it's in OUR best interest that these Nations share in our ideology, to see that other areas prosper, we help prop up the best of the worst dictators in these areas.
You ask about Communist China funding groups in America. Are you really so naive that you didn't know the USSR did the very same thing in the 60s that started the hippy movement protesting Nam, and China is no different in their activities in wanting to form America in it's image.
Yes, we're in this mess with the gay movement and a myriad of ills, all thanks to the commies, and it was all planned.
This is why your ignorance is so damned troubling, you have no idea how we got to where we are, so you have no clue as to where we're headed, this is why so many are against Hussein, he is doing the work of the commies, he is a Marxist, and you and your ignorant generation put him in power.
And you dare question the decisions of previous leaders? None of them propped up enemies of Capitalism and trade, but Hussein is.
I hope to Hell this makes you step back and see the bigger picture for a change.
Same excuses have been used for imperialism since human civilization started.
" We help prop up the best of the worst dictators " - Come on ...
Also, can you provide evidence of the USSR funding the hippie movement or the gay rights movement.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 04:51:56 AM
It would be more free and democratic, yes.
The fact that we support non-democratic, highly religious and brutal governments/dictators and help keep them in power would suggest we aren't helping. The USA is of course not alone in this, we just happen to be the most powerful nation on earth and therefor have more ability to influence.
"This is not the kind of answer you read in international Journals or the press and so on, there you read sophisticated answers about how people of that region have bad cultures or they have been left out by globalization .... The national security council, the highest planning body, gave their analysis."
From the documentary, " Power and Terror "
"There is a perception in the region that the United States is supporting harsh and brutal and corrupt regimes and is blocking democratization and development and is doing so because of our interest in controlling the oil reserves of the region. It is difficult to counter this perception because it's accurate..." - National Security council
Yeah. When will we set the muzzies free?
Most likely not until we lose our ability to influence and control the region. But it won't make much of a difference, the next superpower will do pretty much the same thing.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 06:00:34 AM
Most likely not until we lose our ability to influence and control the region. But it won't make much of a difference, the next superpower will do pretty much the same thing.
They were so prosperous before the United States. They barely have plumbing. We're landing robots on Mars. Try again.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 05:49:56 AM
Same excuses have been used for imperialism since human civilization started.
" We help prop up the best of the worst dictators " - Come on ...
Also, can you provide evidence of the USSR funding the hippie movement or the gay rights movement.
You see, this is why is so frustrating talking to lib kids, they have no historical context to measure against.
Tell you what, instead of me trying to break through your educational brainwashing, why don't you do a search on USSR and the Hippie movement, read as much as you can, and tell me I'm wrong, tell me, a man that lived the era and saw with his very own eyes what commies did to this Nation, and try calling me a liar when I tell you Hussein is a Marxist for continuing the exact same agenda.
Now get busy educating YOUR OWN SELF for a change, look it up,
USSR and the Hippie movement.
Quote from: taxed on May 28, 2013, 04:28:48 AM
If it wasn't for us, the middle east would be a beacon of freedom and civility....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2013, 06:13:03 AM
You see, this is why is so frustrating talking to lib kids, they have no historical context to measure against.
Tell you what, instead of me trying to break through your educational brainwashing, why don't you do a search on USSR and the Hippie movement, read as much as you can, and tell me I'm wrong, tell me, a man that lived the era and saw with his very own eyes what commies did to this Nation, and try calling me a liar when I tell you Hussein is a Marxist for continuing the exact same agenda.
Now get busy educating YOUR OWN SELF for a change, look it up, USSR and the Hippie movement.
He still thinks a marxist takeover is conspiracy theory...
QuoteThey were so prosperous before the United States. They barely have plumbing. We're landing robots on Mars. Try again.
What ? Because we can land robots on mars and they can't, they don't have any right to self-determination or sovereignty.
There is no connection between the level of technology middle east countries have compared to us and our foreign policy. I can't even begin to understand the logic behind this statement.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 06:28:01 AM
What ? Because we can land robots on mars and they can't, they don't have any right to self-determination or sovereignty.
There is no connection between the level of technology middle east countries have compared to us and our foreign policy. I can't even begin to understand the logic behind this statement.
You're right. We'd all be equal if we didn't hold 'em down...
I don't know about equal, but at least they would have more of an opportunity to govern themselves and not be ruled by despotic regimes.
It would also help us with the war against 'terrorism' and how people see us in the world. We wouldn't be that superpower that preaches democracy and peace, but supports everything but in practice.
As one person once said when asked " How do we stop terrorism ?" " Well, it is very simple, stop participating in it. That alone will significantly reduce the amount of terrorism in the world. "
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 06:28:01 AM
What ? Because we can land robots on mars and they can't, they don't have any right to self-determination or sovereignty.
There is no connection between the level of technology middle east countries have compared to us and our foreign policy. I can't even begin to understand the logic behind this statement.
To answer your question, look at Japan and Korea, both now surpass any camel screwing Arab country, and why you ask?
Because they share our Capitalist interests.
But, did you do your homework and discover I wasn't lying about the commie movement and Hussein?
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 06:51:11 AM
I don't know about equal, but at least they would have more of an opportunity to govern themselves and not be ruled by despotic regimes.
It would also help us with the war against 'terrorism' and how people see us in the world. We wouldn't be that superpower that preaches democracy and peace, but supports everything but in practice.
As one person once said when asked " How do we stop terrorism ?" " Well, it is very simple, stop participating in it. That alone will significantly reduce the amount of terrorism in the world. "
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OK, it's only funny because of the naive approach to world affairs.
Son, you really do live in a bubble.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 06:51:11 AM
I don't know about equal, but at least they would have more of an opportunity to govern themselves and not be ruled by despotic regimes.
It would also help us with the war against 'terrorism' and how people see us in the world. We wouldn't be that superpower that preaches democracy and peace, but supports everything but in practice.
As one person once said when asked " How do we stop terrorism ?" " Well, it is very simple, stop participating in it. That alone will significantly reduce the amount of terrorism in the world. "
Why would I care about how we're viewed in the world? I wish they would see us in a worse light, so they'd stop leaving their countries and coming here.
Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2013, 07:05:20 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OK, it's only funny because of the naive approach to world affairs.
Son, you really do live in a bubble.
He really is adorable...
Quote from: taxed on May 28, 2013, 07:11:05 AM
He really is adorable...
I'm still waiting for his evidence that proves I was lying, that the hippies were influenced by the commies.
Whatever he comes up with, should be extremely entertaining, and proof he is nothing but a tool of the Marxists.
Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2013, 07:05:20 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OK, it's only funny because of the naive approach to world affairs.
Son, you really do live in a bubble.
He would have no problems losing his lunch money every day. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2013, 07:16:42 AM
I'm still waiting for his evidence that proves I was lying, that the hippies were influenced by the commies.
Whatever he comes up with, should be extremely entertaining, and proof he is nothing but a tool of the Marxists.
I feel bad now that we've been holding down these peaceful middle eastern countries.
QuoteWhy would I care about how we're viewed in the world? I wish they would see us in a worse light, so they'd stop leaving their countries and coming here.
You should care. Because it builds hatred and resentment against us.
QuoteI'm still waiting for his evidence that proves I was lying, that the hippies were influenced by the commies.
Whatever he comes up with, should be extremely entertaining, and proof he is nothing but a tool of the Marxists.
"Conservative organizations and writers and some defectors from Soviet intelligence have claimed that the non-aligned peace movement was controlled by the Soviet Union.
In 1951 the House Committee on Un-American Activities published The Communist "Peace" Offensive, which detailed the activities of the WPC and of numerous affiliated organisations. It listed dozens of American organisations and hundreds of Americans who had been involved in peace meetings, conferences and petitions. It noted, "that some of the persons who are so described in either the text or the appendix withdrew their support and/or affiliation with these organizations when the Communist character of these organizations was discovered. There may also be persons whose names were used as sponsors or affiliates of these organizations without permission or knowledge of the individuals involved."[17]
In 1982 the Heritage Foundation published Moscow and the Peace Offensive, which said that non-aligned peace organizations advocated similar policies on defence and disarmament to the Soviet Union. It argued that "pacifists and concerned Christians had been drawn into the Communist campaign largely unaware if its real sponsorship."[18]
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong.[19] Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".[19] According to Time magazine, a US State Department official estimated that the KGB may have spent $600 million on the peace offensive up to 1983, channeling funds through national Communist parties or the World Peace Council "to a host of new antiwar organizations that would, in many cases, reject the financial help if they knew the source."[13] Richard Felix Staar in his book Foreign Policies of the Soviet Union says that non-communist peace movements without overt ties to the USSR were "virtually controlled" by it. [20] Neither Lunev, Time or Staar name any non-aligned peace group that has been funded or otherwise influenced by the Soviet Union. Lord Chalfont claimed that the Soviet Union was giving the European peace movement £100 million a year. Bruce Kent, one-time general secretary of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND), said. "If they were, it was certainly not getting to our grotty little office in Finsbury Park."[21] The Federation of Conservative Students (FCS) alleged Soviet funding of CND. They were sued for libel by Dan Smith, a CND worker, backed down, issued an apology and paid costs.[22]
In 1985 Time magazine noted "the suspicions of some Western scientists that the nuclear winter scenario was promoted by Moscow to give antinuclear groups in the U.S. and Europe some fresh ammunition against America's arms buildup."[23] Sergei Tretyakov claimed that the data behind the nuclear winter scenario was faked by the KGB and spread in the west as part of a campaign against Pershing missiles.[24] He said that a key paper in the development of the nuclear winter scenario, "Twilight at Noon" by Paul Crutzen and John Birks (1982),[25] was published as a result of this KGB influence. However, Starley L. Thompson of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, says that the nuclear winter model was developed in the United States in the early 1970s.[26]"
That is what I came up with. Notice how it is 'claims'. You can't take this as history. On the same google search there are links to " The CIA created the Hippie movement."
QuoteI feel bad now that we've been holding down these peaceful middle eastern countries.
That is good. You're aware of your countries' actions. I also feel bad that politicians who represent ( or are supposed to anyway) me in act policies which do this to other countries. We should stop this.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 07:50:10 AM
You should care. Because it builds hatred and resentment against us.
Why would I care if it builds hatred and resentment against us?
Because it leads to things like 9/11.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 07:50:10 AM
You should care. Because it builds hatred and resentment against us.
"Conservative organizations and writers and some defectors from Soviet intelligence have claimed that the non-aligned peace movement was controlled by the Soviet Union.
In 1951 the House Committee on Un-American Activities published The Communist "Peace" Offensive, which detailed the activities of the WPC and of numerous affiliated organisations. It listed dozens of American organisations and hundreds of Americans who had been involved in peace meetings, conferences and petitions. It noted, "that some of the persons who are so described in either the text or the appendix withdrew their support and/or affiliation with these organizations when the Communist character of these organizations was discovered. There may also be persons whose names were used as sponsors or affiliates of these organizations without permission or knowledge of the individuals involved."[17]
In 1982 the Heritage Foundation published Moscow and the Peace Offensive, which said that non-aligned peace organizations advocated similar policies on defence and disarmament to the Soviet Union. It argued that "pacifists and concerned Christians had been drawn into the Communist campaign largely unaware if its real sponsorship."[18]
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong.[19] Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".[19] According to Time magazine, a US State Department official estimated that the KGB may have spent $600 million on the peace offensive up to 1983, channeling funds through national Communist parties or the World Peace Council "to a host of new antiwar organizations that would, in many cases, reject the financial help if they knew the source."[13] Richard Felix Staar in his book Foreign Policies of the Soviet Union says that non-communist peace movements without overt ties to the USSR were "virtually controlled" by it. [20] Neither Lunev, Time or Staar name any non-aligned peace group that has been funded or otherwise influenced by the Soviet Union. Lord Chalfont claimed that the Soviet Union was giving the European peace movement £100 million a year. Bruce Kent, one-time general secretary of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND), said. "If they were, it was certainly not getting to our grotty little office in Finsbury Park."[21] The Federation of Conservative Students (FCS) alleged Soviet funding of CND. They were sued for libel by Dan Smith, a CND worker, backed down, issued an apology and paid costs.[22]
In 1985 Time magazine noted "the suspicions of some Western scientists that the nuclear winter scenario was promoted by Moscow to give antinuclear groups in the U.S. and Europe some fresh ammunition against America's arms buildup."[23] Sergei Tretyakov claimed that the data behind the nuclear winter scenario was faked by the KGB and spread in the west as part of a campaign against Pershing missiles.[24] He said that a key paper in the development of the nuclear winter scenario, "Twilight at Noon" by Paul Crutzen and John Birks (1982),[25] was published as a result of this KGB influence. However, Starley L. Thompson of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, says that the nuclear winter model was developed in the United States in the early 1970s.[26]"
That is what I came up with. Notice how it is 'claims'. You can't take this as history. On the same google search there are links to " The CIA created the Hippie movement."
That is good. You're aware of your countries' actions. I also feel bad that politicians who represent ( or are supposed to anyway) me in act policies which do this to other countries. We should stop this.
I see the kid is a very slow learner............
QuoteQuote from: Solar on May 28, 2013, 05:35:35 AM
Stop Mixing Quotes!!!!
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 07:55:15 AM
Because it leads to things like 9/11.
No. Islamic animals will always try to destroy us. That is why we have intelligence and defense.
Why are they trying to destroy us ?
I do. Because it would be help in preventing any future attacks against us.
It is the same as knowing why/how fascism grew in Germany during the 1920/30s. We learn why so we don't repeat it.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 08:18:39 AM
I do. Because it would be help in preventing any future attacks against us.
No it wouldn't. They are animals, and animals attack. They can hate us all they want. I don't care.
Quote
It is the same as knowing why/how fascism grew in Germany during the 1920/30s. We learn why so we don't repeat it.
Go off the rails much?
QuoteNo it wouldn't. They are animals, and animals attack. They can hate us all they want. I don't care.
Are we animals when we attack another country ?
WHY DO THEY HATE US? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY9SsGWGkvA#) - Watch this clip. Seriously watch it and tell me what you honestly think. This clip could not sum up what we're talking about any better.
QuoteGo off the rails much?
I don't think so. It is a direct comparison to what we're talking about.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 08:29:35 AM
Are we animals when we attack another country ?
WHY DO THEY HATE US? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY9SsGWGkvA#) - Watch this clip. Seriously watch it and tell me what you honestly think. This clip could not sum up what we're talking about any better.
I don't think so. It is a direct comparison to what we're talking about.
First, it's so adorable that the video made an impression on you. I know you think that guy is smart, but he isn't. Unlike you, I've had many-a-debate with these academic morons who just lock up when you get into any real discussion with them, especially in front of others.
Second, again, I really don't care what they think. I really don't. I ESPECIALLY don't care what a country thinks that treats their women like animals and doesn't contribute to the planet. I know you want to sit down with the muslim terrorists at a Starbucks and discuss how bad our country is while sipping coffee, but I don't. The only reason they have a shot at us is because of liberals, like yourself, who enable them to come here to use our resources and laws against us. They can hate us all they want, as long as they do it in their country.
QuoteFirst, it's so adorable that the video made an impression on you. I know you think that guy is smart, but he isn't. Unlike you, I've had many-a-debate with these academic morons who just lock up when you get into any real discussion with them, especially in front of others.
Well if you have so much experience debating this very topic, please do so now.
QuoteSecond, again, I really don't care what they think. I really don't. I ESPECIALLY don't care what a country thinks that treats their women like animals and doesn't contribute to the planet. I know you want to sit down with the muslim terrorists at a Starbucks and discuss how bad our country is while sipping coffee, but I don't. The only reason they have a shot at us is because of liberals, like yourself, who enable them to come here to use our resources and laws against us. They can hate us all they want, as long as they do it in their country.
I don't want to sit down and debate anything muslim terrorists, I want to debate with you. I'm trying to understand why you ignore our participation in terrorism and have absolutely no interest in why people hate us so much they're willing to kill us.
You seem to have a attitude that is exactly what Noam Chomsky was talking about. " They're evil and we're good. That is all that matters. Lets not examine it any further"
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 08:56:27 AM
Well if you have so much experience debating this very topic, please do so now.
I don't want to sit down and debate anything muslim terrorists, I want to debate with you. I'm trying to understand why you ignore our participation in terrorism and have absolutely no interest in why people hate us so much they're willing to kill us.
You seem to have a attitude that is exactly what Noam Chomsky was talking about. " They're evil and we're good. That is all that matters. Lets not examine it any further"
Anyone who treats their women like animals are not very nice people. You want to overlook that and give them some sort of equal standing with us. Right off the bat, they are a lower life form. They need to start behaving like humans.
I don't see it as good versus evil. I just don't care about them. You give them some sort of value. I don't. When they attack us, we turn them into fertilizer. I don't give any value to them at all.
QuoteAnyone who treats their women like animals are not very nice people. You want to overlook that and give them some sort of equal standing with us. Right off the bat, they are a lower life form. They need to start behaving like humans.
I don't want to overlook what happens in the middle east in regards to women's rights, gay rights etc. I don't think we have the 'moral high ground' here though when we openly support regimes who participate in this behavior. Take Saudi Arabia for example, they're one of the most extreme crazy Islamic countries in the world. They're also one of our biggest trading partners and allies in the region. So you can't really claim we should invade and bomb the crap out of country x because they're " backwards" but also actively support country b who is the same or worse. Just doesn't make sense.
QuoteI don't see it as good versus evil. I just don't care about them. You give them some sort of value. I don't. When they attack us, we turn them into fertilizer. I don't give any value to them at all.
Perhaps it is not the people who who commitment these terrorist acts against us that deserve your care or sympathy, but the innocent civilians who die by the millions due to our power politics in the region. They're after all, human beings who have little say in how their country operates.
You are living in a world where you expect no one to resist or care about American imperialism, but would start world war 3 if anyone dare strike back at you.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 07:50:10 AM
You should care. Because it builds hatred and resentment against us.
"Conservative organizations and writers and some defectors from Soviet intelligence have claimed that the non-aligned peace movement was controlled by the Soviet Union.
In 1951 the House Committee on Un-American Activities published The Communist "Peace" Offensive, which detailed the activities of the WPC and of numerous affiliated organisations. It listed dozens of American organisations and hundreds of Americans who had been involved in peace meetings, conferences and petitions. It noted, "that some of the persons who are so described in either the text or the appendix withdrew their support and/or affiliation with these organizations when the Communist character of these organizations was discovered. There may also be persons whose names were used as sponsors or affiliates of these organizations without permission or knowledge of the individuals involved."[17]
In 1982 the Heritage Foundation published Moscow and the Peace Offensive, which said that non-aligned peace organizations advocated similar policies on defence and disarmament to the Soviet Union. It argued that "pacifists and concerned Christians had been drawn into the Communist campaign largely unaware if its real sponsorship."[18]
Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong.[19] Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost".[19] According to Time magazine, a US State Department official estimated that the KGB may have spent $600 million on the peace offensive up to 1983, channeling funds through national Communist parties or the World Peace Council "to a host of new antiwar organizations that would, in many cases, reject the financial help if they knew the source."[13] Richard Felix Staar in his book Foreign Policies of the Soviet Union says that non-communist peace movements without overt ties to the USSR were "virtually controlled" by it. [20] Neither Lunev, Time or Staar name any non-aligned peace group that has been funded or otherwise influenced by the Soviet Union. Lord Chalfont claimed that the Soviet Union was giving the European peace movement £100 million a year. Bruce Kent, one-time general secretary of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND), said. "If they were, it was certainly not getting to our grotty little office in Finsbury Park."[21] The Federation of Conservative Students (FCS) alleged Soviet funding of CND. They were sued for libel by Dan Smith, a CND worker, backed down, issued an apology and paid costs.[22]
In 1985 Time magazine noted "the suspicions of some Western scientists that the nuclear winter scenario was promoted by Moscow to give antinuclear groups in the U.S. and Europe some fresh ammunition against America's arms buildup."[23] Sergei Tretyakov claimed that the data behind the nuclear winter scenario was faked by the KGB and spread in the west as part of a campaign against Pershing missiles.[24] He said that a key paper in the development of the nuclear winter scenario, "Twilight at Noon" by Paul Crutzen and John Birks (1982),[25] was published as a result of this KGB influence. However, Starley L. Thompson of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, says that the nuclear winter model was developed in the United States in the early 1970s.[26]"
That is what I came up with. Notice how it is 'claims'. You can't take this as history. On the same google search there are links to " The CIA created the Hippie movement."
That is good. You're aware of your countries' actions. I also feel bad that politicians who represent ( or are supposed to anyway) me in act policies which do this to other countries. We should stop this.
won't tell you again, stop mixing posts when quoting, it's lazy and you don't supply links in your quotes.
Do it again, and I'll start deleting your posts.
Now, is there a reason you didn't link to your quote of an opinion piece?
And with all the evidence you obviously ignored on the subject, is there a reason you don't want to believe that another Nation did it's best to create division in our culture?
Even Khrushchev stated he would destroy us from the inside, there was no need for a war.
Your willing ignorance screams "TOOL"!
Quotewon't tell you again, stop mixing posts when quoting, it's lazy and you don't supply links in your quotes.
Do it again, and I'll start deleting your posts.
Sorry.
What does supply links to quotes mean ?
QuoteNow, is there a reason you didn't link to your quote of an opinion piece?
What ? Which one are you talking about.
QuoteAnd with all the evidence you obviously ignored on the subject, is there a reason you don't want to believe that another Nation did it's best to create division in our culture?
Even Khrushchev stated he would destroy us from the inside, there was no need for a war.
Your willing ignorance screams "TOOL"!
The evidence is not very hard. I'm not saying there was no connection, but you're trying to link the gay rights/hippie movement as some international communist conspiracy. Most of that was internal reasons and not funding from the USSR. I know of some groups that were 'connected' in some way to the soviets, but not a movement.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 10:10:08 AM
Sorry.
What does supply links to quotes mean ?
This is what a true quote looks like, and it's one poster to a post, not multiple like you've been doing.
Quote only one poster at a time.
As follows.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 10:10:08 AM
Sorry.
What does supply links to quotes mean ?
So it includes the name of the person that wrote the post, that way anyone reasing your response knows who you're quoting.
Quote
The evidence is not very hard. I'm not saying there was no connection, but you're trying to link the gay rights/hippie movement as some international communist conspiracy. Most of that was internal reasons and not funding from the USSR. I know of some groups that were 'connected' in some way to the soviets, but not a movement.
Read through this list, which was a warning long ago, and tell me the Commies didn't do their work.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/communist-goals-(1963)/)
Also, you posted an opinion piece without a link, and I have to assume you got lazy and went to Wiki, one of the worst places to go for historical data, which only bolsters my case further.
That is just a list written by someone in 1958. It is not evidence of a communist plot just because someone wrote it down. It sounds more like a mccarthy era paranoid rant.
The most obvious one to discredit is that education was trying to promote the USSR. I have never heard anyone ever justify Stalin-ism or the USSR. Movies and media or education.
I may as well claim a small group of men create earthquakes and have alien DNA, because Alex Jones wrote it down.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
I don't want to overlook what happens in the middle east in regards to women's rights, gay rights etc. I don't think we have the 'moral high ground' here though when we openly support regimes who participate in this behavior.
What do you mean "moral high ground"? We should spend money to defend against attacks, and attack after we've been attacked.
Quote
Take Saudi Arabia for example, they're one of the most extreme crazy Islamic countries in the world. They're also one of our biggest trading partners and allies in the region. So you can't really claim we should invade and bomb the crap out of country x because they're " backwards" but also actively support country b who is the same or worse. Just doesn't make sense.
Why would I want to attack a country who trades with us and doesn't attack us? Where did you go off the rails and bring in religion? They can be as crazy as they want, as long as they don't attack us.
Quote
Perhaps it is not the people who who commitment these terrorist acts against us that deserve your care or sympathy, but the innocent civilians who die by the millions due to our power politics in the region. They're after all, human beings who have little say in how their country operates.
Why would I care about them, especially if they're not attacking me?
Quote
You are living in a world where you expect no one to resist or care about American imperialism, but would start world war 3 if anyone dare strike back at you.
I'd rather leave other countries alone. Yes, if we're attacked, we need to defend ourselves and reap justice.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 11:23:49 AM
That is just a list written by someone in 1958. It is not evidence of a communist plot just because someone wrote it down. It sounds more like a mccarthy era paranoid rant.
The most obvious one to discredit is that education was trying to promote the USSR. I have never heard anyone ever justify Stalin-ism or the USSR. Movies and media or education.
I may as well claim a small group of men create earthquakes and have alien DNA, because Alex Jones wrote it down.
OK, what I gave you is in the Congressional record, but as proof of what was written, here is a former KGB officer explaining how the USSR was infiltrating our values, media and Govt.
You can't make this stuff up, not to mention, did you notice that nearly all those warnings, have been fulfilled?
Seriously, take 10 minutes and listen, he is telling you exactly what is going on.
OBAMA's END GAME REVEALED BY KGB - Communist Obama Socialist / Marxist / Leninist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA#)
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 01:06:09 AM
You have gone off on many tangents but have barely addressed my post.
I'm asking, what right does the USA have, or any other imperial power for that matter, to interfere with other countries politics just to serve their own interests ?
You seem to acknowledge the moral bankruptcy when another nation such as China or Russia do it, but excuse it when the USA does it. But that is not surprising, it is always harder to aim the moral compos at your own tribe/people. I'm sure if you ask the majority of Chinese, they would find ways to excuse their governments actions around the world.
We were discussing Iran....you went off on the tangent about China
And the USSR now Russia have a direct impact on that country then as they do now.
Spare me your decree on who is morally bankrupt. The KGB, China and
other commie nations spread their Marxist totalitarianism thru armed revolution, guerilla warfare and terrorism. All financed thru by said regimes.
DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
Their goal is to control all the oil and choke off the west (the USA) and were stupid enough to buy into it with our environazi movement that prohibits using our natural resources.
We could control oil, have China dancing like Little Yau Tien Puppets, end all the stupidity in the middle east and nulify that insidious organization, OPEC in one fell swoop by forming our own North American Oil alliance with Mexico, Cananda the UK and Norway and drive those sheep molesting savages right back into the stone age where they belong .
Quote from: redlom xof on May 28, 2013, 11:23:49 AM
That is just a list written by someone in 1958. It is not evidence of a communist plot just because someone wrote it down. It sounds more like a mccarthy era paranoid rant.
The most obvious one to discredit is that education was trying to promote the USSR. I have never heard anyone ever justify Stalin-ism or the USSR. Movies and media or education.
I may as well claim a small group of men create earthquakes and have alien DNA, because Alex Jones wrote it down.
You don't like that....?
How about this.....
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/author-soviet-agents-subverted-us-in-1930s/#ixzz2UShoyy6M (http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/author-soviet-agents-subverted-us-in-1930s/#ixzz2UShoyy6M)
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on May 28, 2013, 10:26:33 PM
You don't like that....?
How about this.....
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/author-soviet-agents-subverted-us-in-1930s/#ixzz2UShoyy6M (http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/author-soviet-agents-subverted-us-in-1930s/#ixzz2UShoyy6M)
He actually tried to make a case that it was just CIA propaganda, seriously, the evidence is right in front of his face and he blatantly denies it to himself.
The Marxists have done one Hell of a job with our educational system, haven't they?
If Redlum does anything, he, in the least, needs to jump to the twenty four minute mark and listen, then he will understand why the libs support Islum and why obamby supports the Arab spring.
Excellent interview, I heard about her book and want to read it, because when it came out, the left went after it like they did McCarthy.
Why is it so damned hard to make people see that the commies are here, they never left, they never quit influencing our politicians, culture, and they even succeeded in putting a Marxist in office.
Here's the part about Benghazi.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/author-diana-west-on-benghazi-its-what-happens-when-you-switch-sides-openly-video/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/author-diana-west-on-benghazi-its-what-happens-when-you-switch-sides-openly-video/)