Well the midterms are shaping up just as we expected with the dems cheating off the hook. Despite EVERY indication of a right wing tsunami its looking like a blood bath. This article does a great job pointing out how preposterous these election results are shaping up to be, and its only just after midnight.
QuoteRepublicans dominated in states like Florida and Ohio, states Democrats have not yet stolen with their mail-in ballots, bloated voter rolls, ballot trafficking and manufacturing operations.
But Democrat John Fetterman who never held a job and cannot form sentences won in Pennsylvania. Colorado stole popular conservative Lauren Boebert's seat with their mail-in voting. Georgia elected a Trump-hating governor but Marxist radical Raphael Warnock who likes to scream about whitey at his church won the first round of the Senate race.
California and New York proved to America that once the communists take control there is no going back – to civilized society.
The Witches of Eastwick won Michigan.
Ron Johnson is barely leading in Wisconsin to another black Marxist radical who wants to empty the prisons onto the streets of America.
And in Arizona, a red state, we are to believe Kari Lake and Blake Masters are going to lose?
By morning we will see the true damage.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/blood-moon-blood-bath-democrats-steal-midterms-communism-comes-america-crime-inflation-record-gas-prices-war-open-borders-corruption-wins-big/
Republicans dominated in Florida because of DeSantis' leadership. I think Trump is done and DeSantis is the future of the Republican Party. He would beat Biden.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 05:24:45 AMRepublicans dominated in Florida because of DeSantis' leadership. I think Trump is done and DeSantis is the future of the Republican Party. He would beat Biden.
What states that Biden won do you think DeSantis would win?
Quote from: Possum on November 09, 2022, 06:24:15 AMWhat states that Biden won do you think DeSantis would win?
He'd have a chance at PA, AZ, Wisconsin, Georgia, New Mexico and Nevada.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 05:24:45 AMRepublicans dominated in Florida because of DeSantis' leadership. I think Trump is done and DeSantis is the future of the Republican Party. He would beat Biden.
And now, ask why he won? He kicked DNC Fed monitors out of the State. There weren't any commies allowed to interfere.
Has that even sunk in yet?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 05:24:45 AMRepublicans dominated in Florida because of DeSantis' leadership. I think Trump is done and DeSantis is the future of the Republican Party. He would beat Biden.
I think you may be onto something. As much as Trump had great policy ideas his style turns off too many voters. We may not like to accept that, but we must face facts. The record of DeSantis in Florida showed what a force he could be. Trump has the opportunity to continue his legacy by being a loyal supporter of those who pledge to pursue Trump policies.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 05:24:45 AMRepublicans dominated in Florida because of DeSantis' leadership. I think Trump is done and DeSantis is the future of the Republican Party. He would beat Biden.
LOL thats ridiculous and exactly what the left wants.
Quote from: supsalemgr on November 09, 2022, 08:24:49 AMI think you may be onto something. As much as Trump had great policy ideas his style turns off too many voters. We may not like to accept that, but we must face facts. The record of DeSantis in Florida showed what a force he could be. Trump has the opportunity to continue his legacy by being a loyal supporter of those who pledge to pursue Trump policies.
Ill bet you cant find anyone that voted for biden over trump SOLEY because of trumps style. ALl the people who hate only his style hold their nose and vote for him anyways because they care more about actual issues. The people who vote against trump hate him because they think he is racist, nothing can change that and those same people think desantis and the entire right are just as racist as they think trump is.
In fact it is trumps style of attack attack attack that most of us voted for in the first place. Desantis would get chewed up and spit out by the media. Plus he is a politician so no where near as squeaky clean as trump.
Quote from: supsalemgr on November 09, 2022, 08:24:49 AMI think you may be onto something. As much as Trump had great policy ideas his style turns off too many voters. We may not like to accept that, but we must face facts. The record of DeSantis in Florida showed what a force he could be. Trump has the opportunity to continue his legacy by being a loyal supporter of those who pledge to pursue Trump policies.
Ask yourself. Who hates Trump? Who gave him bad press 24/7, attacked his agenda, tried to Impeach him twice? The LEFT, Including the GOP.
Where do you think this negative picture you see, comes from? if you honestly think Trump is hated as much as you think he is, then you haven't been paying close attention.
Patriots could give a shit what the left think.
Quote from: T Hunt on November 09, 2022, 08:32:47 AMIll bet you cant find anyone that voted for biden over trump SOLEY because of trumps style. ALl the people who hate only his style hold their nose and vote for him anyways because they care more about actual issues. The people who vote against trump hate him because they think he is racist, nothing can change that and those same people think desantis and the entire right are just as racist as they think trump is.
In fact it is trumps style of attack attack attack that most of us voted for in the first place. Desantis would get chewed up and spit out by the media. Plus he is a politician so no where near as squeaky clean as trump.
BINGO!!!!!
Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2022, 08:46:42 AMAsk yourself. Who hates Trump? Who gave him bad press 24/7, attacked his agenda, tried to Impeach him twice? The LEFT, Including the GOP.
Where do you think this negative picture you see, comes from? if you honestly think Trump is hated as much as you think he is, then you haven't been paying close attention.
Patriots could give a shit what the left think.
Dont forget, all evidence points to trump having won 2020 in a 50 state landslide.
So tell me again what evidence there is that trump is as hated as some claim?
Quote from: T Hunt on November 09, 2022, 08:49:00 AMDont forget, all evidence points to trump having won 2020 in a 50 state landslide.
So tell me again what evidence there is that trump is as hated as some claim?
That's my point, He Isn't!
It's all a facade, and for someone to even think it's true, watches TV for their news.
I think gatewaypundit is looking at this the right way.
QuoteSince the 2020 election, the Democrat Party's platform was to destroy the United States as a global power in 4 years or less.
It's working pretty well.
** 5 million illegal aliens across the US southern border
** 800 deaths of illegal aliens crossing into the US – that we know about
** Record inflation – something we haven't seen in 40 years
** Massive Failure on the international stage – Afghanistan debacle
** Arming our enemies like the Taliban with $80 billion in US weapons
** Jailing the opposition and raiding the former president's home
** Record corruption – Pelosi and Biden families
** Destroy the US energy infrastructure
Exit polling on Tuesday showed Americans have had enough.
73% of voters were dissatisfied or angry about the destruction of the country.
So they voted Democrats back into power.
They really want us to believe this too.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/us-exit-polls-73-voters-angry-direction-country-voted-democrat/
Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2022, 08:46:42 AMAsk yourself. Who hates Trump? Who gave him bad press 24/7, attacked his agenda, tried to Impeach him twice? The LEFT, Including the GOP.
Where do you think this negative picture you see, comes from? if you honestly think Trump is hated as much as you think he is, then you haven't been paying close attention.
Patriots could give a shit what the left think.
I don't think it so much hate for Trump, but he just turns off some folks, especially women. Does that make sense? NO! Unfortunately, too many people who vote put style before substance. I can't understand that thinking, but it exists.
It's not as it appears, that's all I can tell you.
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Quote from: supsalemgr on November 09, 2022, 08:24:49 AMI think you may be onto something. As much as Trump had great policy ideas his style turns off too many voters. We may not like to accept that, but we must face facts. The record of DeSantis in Florida showed what a force he could be. Trump has the opportunity to continue his legacy by being a loyal supporter of those who pledge to pursue Trump policies.
His policies are very similar to Trump, he just doesn't have the toxicity we're seeing with Trump now.
His victory speech was good. He's more articulate and less abrasive, but still not afraid to call out bad Dem ideas.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 12:00:50 PMHis policies are very similar to Trump, he just doesn't have the toxicity we're seeing with Trump now.
His victory speech was good. He's more articulate and less abrasive, but still not afraid to call out bad Dem ideas.
Agree. :thumbup:
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 12:00:50 PMHis policies are very similar to Trump, he just doesn't have the toxicity we're seeing with Trump now.
His victory speech was good. He's more articulate and less abrasive, but still not afraid to call out bad Dem ideas.
So calling out actual fuckin communists is now toxic?
Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2022, 01:08:22 PMSo calling out actual fuckin communists is now toxic?
No.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 12:00:50 PMHis policies are very similar to Trump, he just doesn't have the toxicity we're seeing with Trump now.
His victory speech was good. He's more articulate and less abrasive, but still not afraid to call out bad Dem ideas.
What toxicity?
Quote from: T Hunt on November 09, 2022, 02:54:01 PMWhat toxicity?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Only a lib would think bashing Marxists is somehow mean. :biggrin:
I say Fuck PC. If my health was better, I'd run for office, and my platform would be "Fuck Off Commies"!
Seriously, you all know how I speak, and I'd pull no punches in a campaign. The left would do their best to stop me, but I'd have truth on my side and there's nothing in my life that I'd ever be embarrassed about.
Wait, I was a womanizer? You bet, I love the ladies, always have, but you won't find one that hates me.`
Let em dig! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Trump is the same, he has no reason to fear anything they threw at him, so they were forced to create shit.
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Quote from: T Hunt on November 09, 2022, 11:54:59 PM(https://i.postimg.cc/8PmKgfxs/4775304dbea7d8d9.png)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
He's Right, our very own media is playing it up for clicks.
Personally I'm loving the results, of course with the exception of a few thefts, which I believe will be resolved "soon, Very Soon". :thumbup:
Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2022, 07:25:02 AMAnd now, ask why he won? He kicked DNC Fed monitors out of the State. There weren't any commies allowed to interfere.
Has that even sunk in yet?
Sunk in? That was pretty low to start with.
Quote from: sataspa on November 10, 2022, 11:41:57 PMSunk in? That was pretty low to start with.
OK, at this point, your comments are so badly structured and lacking of context, that you are no coming off as a complete idiot.
Or, it could be because English isn't your first, second or third language.
Wich is it, are you stupid, or not from this country?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 09, 2022, 05:24:45 AMRepublicans dominated in Florida because of DeSantis' leadership. I think Trump is done and DeSantis is the future of the Republican Party. He would beat Biden.
Ron DeSantis is our best chance for taking back the WH ! Trump is behaving like a 8-year-old child . Trump has turned more republicans into RINO's than dems ever could , most are sick and tired of his bullshit attacks and juvenile temper tantrums and highly emotional hissy fits .
RON DESANTIS 2024
Quote from: TT53 on November 12, 2022, 06:42:07 AMRon DeSantis is our best chance for taking back the WH ! Trump is behaving like a 8-year-old child . Trump has turned more republicans into RINO's than dems ever could , most are sick and tired of his bullshit attacks and juvenile temper tantrums and highly emotional hissy fits .
RON DESANTIS 2024
OK, prove Your BS without using an Opinion Piece!!!
We're Waiting....
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2022, 07:14:47 AMOK, at this point, your comments are so badly structured and lacking of context, that you are no coming off as a complete idiot.
Or, it could be because English isn't your first, second or third language.
Wich is it, are you stupid, or not from this country?
It's hard to say wich.
Quote from: sataspa on November 14, 2022, 10:15:40 PMIt's hard to say wich.
If we knew your origin, understanding you would be much easier.
Quote from: Solar on November 12, 2022, 06:45:17 AMOK, prove Your BS without using an Opinion Piece!!!
We're Waiting....
FETTERMAN ,KARI LAKE , DOUG MASTRIANO , DAN COX J.R. MAJEWAKI ,KAROLINE LEAVITT , YESLI VEGA , DON BOLDUC , AND OF CORSE BRAIN DEAD BIDEN .
Quote from: TT53 on November 15, 2022, 06:15:16 AMFETTERMAN ,KARI LAKE , DOUG MASTRIANO , DAN COX J.R. MAJEWAKI ,KAROLINE LEAVITT , YESLI VEGA , DON BOLDUC , AND OF CORSE BRAIN DEAD BIDEN .
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
Trump just got 217 GOP elected. DeSantis has no coattails! Have you even look at the list of Leftist donors backing DeSantis?
Oh wait, you're a complete idiot when it comes to political history. See the bunny?
Quote from: TT53 on November 15, 2022, 06:15:16 AMFETTERMAN ,KARI LAKE , DOUG MASTRIANO , DAN COX J.R. MAJEWAKI ,KAROLINE LEAVITT , YESLI VEGA , DON BOLDUC , AND OF CORSE BRAIN DEAD BIDEN .
Do you understand what the definitions of the words DISCUSSION and DEBATE even mean? Have you ever had to explain yourself before?
Quote from: T Hunt on November 15, 2022, 10:44:37 AMDo you understand what the definitions of the words DISCUSSION and DEBATE even mean? Have you ever had to explain yourself before?
Considering he knows absolutely nothing of politics beyond 2018, it's safe to say he existed in some sort of social media site, where everyone just pissed on each other and were never held accountable for their statements.
I don't know if you remember LNF, but that's all it was, libs threw insults, while the rest of us hit them with facts.
The mods were leftist lackeys' and the owner encouraged hostility. Which brought about this forum.
The moron owner encouraged libs to post shit to piss people off, it never made any sense.
No one ever held libs accountable for their stupidity.
Is it possible that this "Constitution" situation was the straw that finally broke the camel's back and the path will be officially cleared for DeSantis?
Senate Republicans peel away from Trump after Constitution 'termination' comments
Prominent Senate Republicans are distancing themselves from former President Donald Trump and his 2024 campaign after he called for the "termination" of parts of the U.S. Constitution this weekend.
The skepticism and Trump-exhaustion of GOP Senators are only the latest obstacle to hamper Trump's lackluster 2024 campaign launch. He had argued this weekend that Twitter's handling of the 2020 election was bad enough that it may require "termination" of the Constitution to address.
"I'm at a loss for words. We need to move on," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, told Politico, adding that Trump's nomination is "increasingly less likely, given statements like that."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-republicans-peel-away-trump-constitution-termination-comments
Quote from: ZenMode on December 06, 2022, 07:02:46 AMIs it possible that this "Constitution" situation was the straw that finally broke the camel's back and the path will be officially cleared for DeSantis?
Senate Republicans peel away from Trump after Constitution 'termination' comments
Prominent Senate Republicans are distancing themselves from former President Donald Trump and his 2024 campaign after he called for the "termination" of parts of the U.S. Constitution this weekend.
The skepticism and Trump-exhaustion of GOP Senators are only the latest obstacle to hamper Trump's lackluster 2024 campaign launch. He had argued this weekend that Twitter's handling of the 2020 election was bad enough that it may require "termination" of the Constitution to address.
"I'm at a loss for words. We need to move on," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, told Politico, adding that Trump's nomination is "increasingly less likely, given statements like that."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-republicans-peel-away-trump-constitution-termination-comments
Ya you are just a full blown leftist at this point, huh? Not even trying to hide it anymore?
Nice attempt to derail he thread but fail.
The desperation from your post is palpable....
Quote from: T Hunt on December 06, 2022, 07:38:34 AMYa you are just a full blown leftist at this point, huh? Not even trying to hide it anymore?
Nice attempt to derail he thread but fail.
The desperation from your post is palpable....
DeSantis as a better option than Trump was discussed earlier in this thread, that's how I found it.
Asking if Trump's foolish comment did irreparable damage to his support and chances of winning the GOP nomination doesn't make me, or anyone, a Leftist.
Apparently Trump deleted the post, so he seems to be aware that it's an issue.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 06, 2022, 07:38:34 AMYa you are just a full blown leftist at this point, huh? Not even trying to hide it anymore?
Nice attempt to derail he thread but fail.
The desperation from your post is palpable....
:lol:
Hew actually posted a link to FUX Snooze, the Leftist arm of The Establishment GOP? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: ZenMode on December 06, 2022, 08:17:22 AMDeSantis as a better option than Trump was discussed earlier in this thread, that's how I found it.
Asking if Trump's foolish comment did irreparable damage to his support and chances of winning the GOP nomination doesn't make me, or anyone, a Leftist.
Apparently Trump deleted the post, so he seems to be aware that it's an issue.
Do you think all the corruption in the Biden clan will hurt Joe's chances?
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2022, 08:37:18 AM:lol:
Hew actually posted a link to FUX Snooze, the Leftist arm of The Establishment GOP? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Who does he think Paul Ryan is? A conservative? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on December 06, 2022, 01:30:32 PMWho does he think Paul Ryan is? A conservative? :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm willing to bet he has no clue this is what he is supporting.
Must see...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1600174495209205760
Quote from: ZenMode on December 06, 2022, 08:17:22 AMDeSantis as a better option than Trump was discussed earlier in this thread, that's how I found it.
Asking if Trump's foolish comment did irreparable damage to his support and chances of winning the GOP nomination doesn't make me, or anyone, a Leftist.
Yes it does. If you parrot the leftist media talking points that makes you a leftist by definition. Just avoid ever pushing anything the news is pushing and you will be safe from being a leftist.
QuoteApparently Trump deleted the post, so he seems to be aware that it's an issue.
No he didnt liar. Go look its still there, then admit you lied.
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2022, 01:32:33 PM:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm willing to bet he has no clue this is what he is supporting.
Must see...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1600174495209205760
Its just sick. And when they die they will realize what the devil told them was all a lie, they arent gods, there is only one, and they pissed in his cereal....
Quote from: T Hunt on December 06, 2022, 01:41:01 PMIts just sick. And when they die they will realize what the devil told them was all a lie, they arent gods, there is only one, and they pissed in his cereal....
This explains soooo much about these sick Commie fucks! It's time they die an excruciating death!
Quote from: Possum on December 06, 2022, 12:15:22 PMDo you think all the corruption in the Biden clan will hurt Joe's chances?
I'm sure that any corruption would hurt Joe's chances. Really, anything a president does/doesn't do will impact voters to some degree, even if that degree is minimal.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 06, 2022, 01:37:15 PMYes it does. If you parrot the leftist media talking points that makes you a leftist by definition. Just avoid ever pushing anything the news is pushing and you will be safe from being a leftist.
The media doesn't determine reality. If Trump got drunk and ran over 5 toddlers in a crosswalk, I assure you the Liberal media would report that it hurt Trump's chances of being the GOP nominee and they would be right.
QuoteNo he didnt liar. Go look its still there, then admit you lied.
You seem to be very fond of calling people liars. I'm not on Truth Social. I read that he had removed the post. It's possible that I was wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm a liar. You should really learn to distinguish between those two.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 06:10:06 AMI'm sure that any corruption would hurt Joe's chances. Really, anything a president does/doesn't do will impact voters to some degree, even if that degree is minimal.
So
QuoteTrump's foolish comment did irreparable damage to his support and chances of winning the GOP nomination
and
Quoteany corruption would hurt Joe's chances. even if that degree is minimal
Maybe you can explain how the corruption that runs throughout the Biden family, the money schemes, the lies, and the list goes on and on and IS DOCUMENTED ON HUNTERS LAPTOP IN HIS OWN WORDS, could, in your own words lead to minimal damage, while a comment taken out of context would do irreparable damage to Trump? You sure you're not a liberal?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 06:13:50 AMThe media doesn't determine reality. If Trump got drunk and ran over 5 toddlers in a crosswalk, I assure you the Liberal media would report that it hurt Trump's chances of being the GOP nominee and they would be right.
You are missing the point that the media is indeed TRYING and SETTING OUT to determine our reality. Again, if you parrot the leftist news that makes you a leftist, not a centrist.
And no that would not hurt trumps chances, nothing can stop what is coming.
QuoteYou seem to be very fond of calling people liars. I'm not on Truth Social. I read that he had removed the post. It's possible that I was wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm a liar. You should really learn to distinguish between those two.
If you repeat a lie without first checking to see if its a lie does indeed make you a liar. The onus is on you to check what you are parroting before you parrot it. Fighting misinformation is everyones job. So yes, if you parrot a lie you are a liar and you just lied and got call out on it and now you are triggered. A timeless tale. :lol:
Quote from: Possum on December 07, 2022, 06:24:05 AMSoand
Maybe you can explain how the corruption that runs throughout the Biden family, the money schemes, the lies, and the list goes on and on and IS DOCUMENTED ON HUNTERS LAPTOP IN HIS OWN WORDS, could, in your own words lead to minimal damage, while a comment taken out of context would do irreparable damage to Trump? You sure you're not a liberal?
I don't know what corruption you are talking about, specifically. For you, Solar, T Hunt, etc, Trump's comment would have virtually no impact, right? For Democrats who truly fear/hate Trump, to the same degree that you fear/hate Democrats, corruption may only have a minimal impact. If it turns out, for example, that Hunter was actually giving 10% of his foreign salary to Joe, that will cause some people to not vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he runs. For others, it may not be enough to change who they vote for.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 08:02:50 AMI don't know what corruption you are talking about, specifically. For you, Solar, T Hunt, etc, Trump's comment would have virtually no impact, right? For Democrats who truly fear/hate Trump, to the same degree that you fear/hate Democrats, corruption may only have a minimal impact. If it turns out, for example, that Hunter was actually giving 10% of his foreign salary to Joe, that will cause some people to not vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he runs. For others, it may not be enough to change who they vote for.
So you think the corruption is isolated to money? Really? Biteme didn't his daughter, He didn't threaten the Ukraine Govt , if they didn't fire the DA, he pulls his bribe?
I'm only just scratching the surface here, but you seem to be under the media spell, that if they don't seem concerned, none of the sheep must be either..
How is it possible you can gauge anything when a lying media,(both sides) refuse to tell the truth?
How is it possible that the left can be so gullible they can't see that both party's are pushing the NWO?
Point is, Trump is trying to end a communist takeover, and all you see is 10% laundering as if it's no big deal?
You still haven't answered my question from earlier, and don't dare ask what question, you know what I'm talking about!
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 08:02:50 AMI don't know what corruption you are talking about, specifically. For you, Solar, T Hunt, etc, Trump's comment would have virtually no impact, right? For Democrats who truly fear/hate Trump, to the same degree that you fear/hate Democrats, corruption may only have a minimal impact.
whoa there, what makes you think we fear or hate dems? We are the party of love, we dont really HATE anyone. We may see someone as an enemy of the country and will use force for self defense but for you to claim we HATE dems stinks of projecting your own sides moral shortcomings onto us.
QuoteIf it turns out, for example, that Hunter was actually giving 10% of his foreign salary to Joe,
Thats been proven, there is no IF about it.
Quotethat will cause some people to not vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he runs.
No it wont. Anyone who would care about something like this has already abandoned biden due to his poor performance. They wont vote trump because to vote biden in the first place you have to be a trump hater.
QuoteFor others, it may not be enough to change who they vote for.
Yes, the left dont care about the person, only who they are told to love.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 08:02:50 AMI don't know what corruption you are talking about, specifically. For you, Solar, T Hunt, etc, Trump's comment would have virtually no impact, right? For Democrats who truly fear/hate Trump, to the same degree that you fear/hate Democrats, corruption may only have a minimal impact. If it turns out, for example, that Hunter was actually giving 10% of his foreign salary to Joe, that will cause some people to not vote for Biden in 2024, assuming he runs. For others, it may not be enough to change who they vote for.
That question was pointed at you, no one else. You are the one who wrote that all of Bidens corruption, (and if you really do not know what is meant by that go back over the thousands of posts that have talked about it here, or just look up what the contents are about on Hunter's laptop) might have a minimal impact. As to my opinion on Trump's comment, I do not place that much impact on anything which is taken out of context.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 07:51:40 AMYou are missing the point that the media is indeed TRYING and SETTING OUT to determine our reality. Again, if you parrot the leftist news that makes you a leftist, not a centrist.
And no that would not hurt trumps chances, nothing can stop what is coming.
The fact that my opinion matches what the liberal media says does not make me anything.
QuoteIf you repeat a lie without first checking to see if its a lie does indeed make you a liar. The onus is on you to check what you are parroting before you parrot it. Fighting misinformation is everyones job. So yes, if you parrot a lie you are a liar and you just lied and got call out on it and now you are triggered. A timeless tale. :lol:
You don't seem to know what it means to lie. I intentionally added "apparently" in my comment because I didn't know for sure.
Quote from: Possum on December 07, 2022, 09:38:08 AMThat question was pointed at you, no one else. You are the one who wrote that all of Bidens corruption, (and if you really do not know what is meant by that go back over the thousands of posts that have talked about it here, or just look up what the contents are about on Hunter's laptop) might have a minimal impact. As to my opinion on Trump's comment, I do not place that much impact on anything which is taken out of context.
Right. Everyone is different. To the furthest left voter, the entirety of Biden's corruption may mean nothing.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 09:20:31 AMwhoa there, what makes you think we fear or hate dems? We are the party of love, we dont really HATE anyone. We may see someone as an enemy of the country and will use force for self defense but for you to claim we HATE dems stinks of projecting your own sides moral shortcomings onto us.
Ugh.... You know what I was saying, so pick whatever word melts your butter.
QuoteThats been proven, there is no IF about it.
The only evidence I'm aware of is an email from Hunter referencing the "Big Guy" or whatever. That is not proof of Hunter actually giving money to Joe. Hunter isn't dumb and he's a drug addict. He could very easily be lying to leverage more money from whatever sucker hires him.
QuoteNo it wont. Anyone who would care about something like this has already abandoned biden due to his poor performance. They wont vote trump because to vote biden in the first place you have to be a trump hater.
Yes, the left dont care about the person, only who they are told to love.
Sorry, but you can't speak for all 100 million+ voters.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 10:16:03 AMThe fact that my opinion matches what the liberal media says does not make me anything.
:bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Except a Lib!
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 10:16:03 AMThe fact that my opinion matches what the liberal media says does not make me anything.
Yes, that literally makes you a leftist by definition.
QuoteYou don't seem to know what it means to lie. I intentionally added "apparently" in my comment because I didn't know for sure.
You seem to think we will fall for your tired old semantic word games.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 07, 2022, 10:51:46 AMUgh.... You know what I was saying, so pick whatever word melts your butter.
Yes we know you were trying to equal the right with the left which is a falsehood so I called you out and you got angry about it.
QuoteThe only evidence I'm aware of is an email from Hunter referencing the "Big Guy" or whatever. That is not proof of Hunter actually giving money to Joe. Hunter isn't dumb and he's a drug addict. He could very easily be lying to leverage more money from whatever sucker hires him.
The laptop is proof enough plus the fact they had the same bank account and biden literally admitted to being part of the money laundering in ukraine thru FTX and admitting to a quid pro quo on camera. Sorry but your guy is a criminal and your side is a criminal organization and yet you continue to support them....
QuoteSorry, but you can't speak for all 100 million+ voters.
Im not, Im speaking for about 10 million.
Quote from: Solar on December 07, 2022, 04:49:38 PM:bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Except a Lib!
Democrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York because of the way he treated women. The leftist media completely supported that. Do you disagree with what they did and supported doing?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 04:24:15 AMDemocrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York because of the way he treated women. The leftist media completely supported that. Do you disagree with what they did and supported doing?
So, this conversation you were having in your head, was it public or private amongst the other voices in your head?
No one mentioned Cuomo, you pulled that out of thin air.
Looking back over the last decade, there isn't one instance I can say I agreed with the media, Not One Damn Time!!!
The media is a mouthpiece for the NWO, everything they say and do was under the direction of their global corporate masters.
I assure you, if you are foolish enough to sucker into media drama, you're a fuckin sheep ready to be culled from the flock!
Quote from: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 08:35:34 PMYes, that literally makes you a leftist by definition.
You seem to think we will fall for your tired old semantic word games.
Right, word games like hearing what Trump said and acknowledging that it's going to turn off some voters. :rolleyes:
Quote from: T Hunt on December 07, 2022, 08:39:14 PMYes we know you were trying to equal the right with the left which is a falsehood so I called you out and you got angry about it.
Nope. I was talking about Trump and what HE said. I wasn't talking about the Left.
QuoteThe laptop is proof enough plus the fact they had the same bank account and biden literally admitted to being part of the money laundering in ukraine thru FTX and admitting to a quid pro quo on camera. Sorry but your guy is a criminal and your side is a criminal organization and yet you continue to support them....
I have heard any of the things you're claiming to be fact. If any of that had actually been determined to be fact, it would be a much bigger story.
QuoteIm not, Im speaking for about 10 million.
Perfect, then we agree that Republicans
could hear Trump's statement and take issue, even to the point of not voting for him.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 04:24:15 AMDemocrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York because of the way he treated women. The leftist media completely supported that. Do you disagree with what they did and supported doing?
Except thats not what the liberal media was saying. You just boiled it down to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to draw another false equivalency. But thats just another way of lying, spreading falsehoods.
The fact remains, if you agree with the left you are a leftist.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 04:45:47 AMRight, word games like hearing what Trump said and acknowledging that it's going to turn off some voters. :rolleyes:
No, thats not a word game. Thats a failure on your part to understand the modern american voter.
QuoteNope. I was talking about Trump and what HE said. I wasn't talking about the Left.
Yes you tried to draw an equivalency between what trump said and the left said.
QuoteI have heard any of the things you're claiming to be fact. If any of that had actually been determined to be fact, it would be a much bigger story.
Of course you havent, you listen to the news. How can you expect to stay informed on the goings on in the world if you pay attention to the news? But everyone paying attention knows all about it.
QuotePerfect, then we agree that Republicans could hear Trump's statement and take issue, even to the point of not voting for him.
Nah, trump has 99% GOP support, he could shoot someone and it wouldnt hurt his approval. However the 10 million leftists left (see what I did there? :biggrin:) are going to hate trump no matter what since they think he has said racist things despite being unable to provide any examples.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 04:48:16 AMExcept thats not what the liberal media was saying. You just boiled it down to the lowest common denominator in an attempt to draw another false equivalency. But thats just another way of lying, spreading falsehoods.
The fact remains, if you agree with the left you are a leftist.
That is
absolutely what they were saying. You don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 04:53:40 AMNo, thats not a word game. Thats a failure on your part to understand the modern american voter.
Right, now you're back to trying to speak for all GOP voters :rolleyes:
QuoteNah, trump has 99% GOP support, he could shoot someone and it wouldnt hurt his approval. However the 10 million leftists left (see what I did there? :biggrin:) are going to hate trump no matter what since they think he has said racist things despite being unable to provide any examples.
I'm reminded of why I normally don't respond to you. Your train of thought is like a drunk person walking.
There are people who found Trump's comment to be abhorrent. It will change some peoples' minds.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 04:58:11 AMThat is absolutely what they were saying. You don't know what you're talking about.
No its not and yes I do. You are the one trying to support the news while at the same time trying to avoid all the implications of supporting an enemy of america. You cant have it both ways....
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 05:02:02 AMRight, now you're back to trying to speak for all GOP voters :rolleyes:
Not hard to do since the GOP is all open about its support for trump. You cant find a conservative that doesnt support trump. When ever they say they are you can always find where their ideology is actually leftist and not conservative.
QuoteThere are people who found Trump's comment to be abhorrent. It will change some peoples' minds.
No it wont since the only people who found it abhorrent have already made up there minds. You act like after 6 years there still exists people who havent made up their minds about him. :lol: :lol: :lol:
QuoteI'm reminded of why I normally don't respond to you. Your train of thought is like a drunk person walking.
There it is! The name calling of a desperate lib. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 05:09:19 AMNo its not and yes I do. You are the one trying to support the news while at the same time trying to avoid all the implications of supporting an enemy of america. You cant have it both ways....
Really? How often do you watch CNN? I watched it regularly specifically to see what they said and they unequivocally supported, if not demanded, he leaves office.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 05:28:22 AMReally? How often do you watch CNN? I watched it regularly specifically to see what they said and they unequivocally supported, if not demanded, he leaves office.
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Should we move this one to the joke section?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 05:12:24 AMNot hard to do since the GOP is all open about its support for trump. You cant find a conservative that doesnt support trump. When ever they say they are you can always find where their ideology is actually leftist and not conservative.
No it wont since the only people who found it abhorrent have already made up there minds. You act like after 6 years there still exists people who havent made up their minds about him. :lol: :lol: :lol:
There it is! The name calling of a desperate lib. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I'm going to keep this on topics and not allow you to drag it off into the weds.
"No it wont since the only people who found it abhorrent have already made up there minds."
That's your opinion, not fact. While people view the Constitution's malleability differently, it is still the cornerstone of our country. To imagine that Trump's implication had NO effect on any of his supporters is just crazy. It was probably THE dumbest, most narcissistic thing he ever said publicly.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 05:28:22 AMReally? How often do you watch CNN? I watched it regularly specifically to see what they said and they unequivocally supported, if not demanded, he leaves office.
But not because of the women thing. Lots of dems abuse women. He was a liability to the cause. See you are still making the mistake of judging them by their words and not their actions. You need to learn to read between the lines as the saying goes.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 05:45:54 AMI'm going to keep this on topics and not allow you to drag it off into the weds.
"No it wont since the only people who found it abhorrent have already made up there minds."
That's your opinion, not fact. While people view the Constitution's malleability differently, it is still the cornerstone of our country. To imagine that Trump's implication had NO effect on any of his supporters is just crazy.
Why would it? Its nothing he hasnt said before. Its not like he said anything wrong or anti conservative.
Sorry but like I said, everyone has already made up their minds about trump. If they are emotional haterz they will always hate trump like you do. If they are like most people they can objectively see that trump made america great and a little thing like this isnt gonna bother them.
QuoteIt was probably THE dumbest, most narcissistic thing he ever said publicly.
Now thats an opinion, and not one shared by most.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 06:21:42 AMBut not because of the women thing. Lots of dems abuse women. He was a liability to the cause. See you are still making the mistake of judging them by their words and not their actions. You need to learn to read between the lines as the saying goes.
Once again...opinion, not fact.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 06:26:24 AMWhy would it? Its nothing he hasnt said before. Its not like he said anything wrong or anti conservative.
Sorry but like I said, everyone has already made up their minds about trump. If they are emotional haterz they will always hate trump like you do. If they are like most people they can objectively see that trump made america great and a little thing like this isnt gonna bother them.
Now thats an opinion, and not one shared by most.
First, no, not everyone has made up their mind on Trump. Minds change all the time, that's part of the reason his vote total jumped from 2016 to 2020. There's polling numbers for Trump, just as there is for other elected officials, that also change all the time. There are likely people who voted for Trump primarily to oppose Biden, not because their completely sold on Trump. It's those people, the half-hearted supporters, who can be swayed by the dumb things he says, especially when you imply the Constitution should be terminated.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 05:28:22 AMReally? How often do you watch CNN? I watched it regularly specifically to see what they said and they unequivocally supported, if not demanded, he leaves office.
I don't watched them because:
1. They lie
2. They omit information
3. They push agendas
4. They insult regular people
5. I can't reach through the TV to slap or punch them for committing any of the above
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 08, 2022, 07:26:53 AMI don't watched them because:
1. They lie
2. They omit information
3. They push agendas
4. They insult regular people
5. I can't reach through the TV to slap or punch them for committing any of the above
I don't disagree. I was just curious to see how they responded to this specific situation.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 06:56:26 AMOnce again...opinion, not fact.
Actually no, the liberal media is quite clear in their motivations.
However, if my statement is opinion, then so is yours...
"Democrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York
because of the way he treated women."
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 07:04:21 AMFirst, no, not everyone has made up their mind on Trump. Minds change all the time, that's part of the reason his vote total jumped from 2016 to 2020.
But we arent talking about 2020 anymore but now. Again, after 6 years there isnt anyone left who hasnt made up their minds, or if there is one or two they dont matter. They arent statistically insignificant.
QuoteThere's polling numbers for Trump, just as there is for other elected officials, that also change all the time.
Ya, polling that has been wrong for a long long time. You cant get facts from polling, its anything but scientific. No one has taken it seriously for awhile now.
QuoteThere are likely people who voted for Trump primarily to oppose Biden, not because their completely sold on Trump.
Those people are always going to vote against biden because he is that bad. Pedophilia is not tolerated by Americans.
QuoteIt's those people, the half-hearted supporters, who can be swayed by the dumb things he says, especially when you imply the Constitution should be terminated.
Thats a non issue. Trump has proven he already can get more than enough votes to win in an honest election. So if there is anyone who still hasnt jumped on the trump train they are on the far left. Yes some far left loons, possibly even yourself, will still switch sides and become MAGA. But trump already has a supermajority so they dont matter.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 11:18:33 AMActually no, the liberal media is quite clear in their motivations.
However, if my statement is opinion, then so is yours...
"Democrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York because of the way he treated women."
Your opinion of liberal media. You can't speak for the entirety of the media any more than you can speak for the entirety of voters because a) you aren't omniscient and b) not all voters or democrats think the same, as much as you want them to.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 11:35:15 AMBut we arent talking about 2020 anymore but now. Again, after 6 years there isnt anyone left who hasnt made up their minds, or if there is one or two they dont matter. They arent statistically insignificant.
Ya, polling that has been wrong for a long long time. You cant get facts from polling, its anything but scientific. No one has taken it seriously for awhile now.
That is all opinion presented as fact.
QuoteThose people are always going to vote against biden because he is that bad. Pedophilia is not tolerated by Americans.
:rolleyes:
QuoteThats a non issue. Trump has proven he already can get more than enough votes to win in an honest election.
That has nothing to do with people deciding to not vote for him because he says stupid crap.
QuoteSo if there is anyone who still hasnt jumped on the trump train they are on the far left.
opinion
QuoteYes some far left loons, possibly even yourself, will still switch sides and become MAGA. But trump already has a supermajority so they dont matter.
Opinion
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 11:59:48 AMYour opinion of liberal media.
Thats actually your opinion I quoted.
QuoteYou can't speak for the entirety of the media any more than you can speak for the entirety of voters because a) you aren't omniscient and
Must one be omniscient to use observation and logical deduction? I guess according to the left you do.
Do I need to be omniscient to know and declare that cats hate water? You are dancing...
Quoteb) not all voters or democrats think the same, as much as you want them to.
Yes the radical left cult that is the dems these days do think the same, thats why they are called NPCs.
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Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 12:03:28 PMThat is all opinion presented as fact.
You are trying to deflect from the fact that everyone has made up their minds about trump. If you are trying to dismiss that as opinion then you saying that there are people that havent made up their minds can also be as easily dismissed. Cant have it both ways...
Quote:rolleyes:
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QuoteThat has nothing to do with people deciding to not vote for him because he says stupid crap.
Yes it does because the only people still left who are not already MAGA are far left radicals and they are not needed to take back power. He only needs the vast majority and he already has that.
Quoteopinion
No sorry that is a fact that can easily be verified by stepping out of your house and talking to people. You may not like it but just because you disagree doesnt mean its not true.
QuoteOpinion
Sorry but the 2020 election proved trump already has enough of the Will of the People to win. Thats math.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 01:21:22 PMYou are trying to deflect from the fact that everyone has made up their minds about trump. If you are trying to dismiss that as opinion then you saying that there are people that havent made up their minds can also be as easily dismissed. Cant have it both ways...
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Yes it does because the only people still left who are not already MAGA are far left radicals and they are not needed to take back power. He only needs the vast majority and he already has that.
No sorry that is a fact that can easily be verified by stepping out of your house and talking to people. You may not like it but just because you disagree doesnt mean its not true.
Sorry but the 2020 election proved trump already has enough of the Will of the People to win. Thats math.
as long as you're going to claim opinion is fact, we have nothing to discuss on this topic.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 01:51:02 PMas long as you're going to claim opinion is fact, we have nothing to discuss on this topic.
Dont be mad.
Why dont you try to explain why you think that a fact is an opinion....
If you think the facts I stated are opinions, prove them so....
Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 01:51:02 PMas long as you're going to claim opinion is fact, we have nothing to discuss on this topic.
Why do you keep avoiding my question?
Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:00:20 AMWhere did anyone say they didn't have an issue? How many times do I have to tell you this?
There Is No Two Party System!!!
Both party's work together for the NWO, they stopped representing the people decades ago!
The real question is, why are you supporting the corrupt left?
It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?
I'm just trying to figure you out.
Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2022, 07:36:47 PMWhy do you keep avoiding my question?
It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?
I'm just trying to figure you out.
I don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption.
Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 05:00:40 AMI don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption.
Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .
If you want to see what dumb looks like just watch Biden. If you want to see what bad results look like, look at what Biden has accomplished. If you want to see how the U.S should be run, just look at where we were two years ago. What Trump said has been taken out of context. All the great things Trump accomplished the media does not want to talk about. The media only talks about Trump when they can not tell the truth.
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 05:21:38 AMIf you want to see what dumb looks like just watch Biden. If you want to see what bad results look like, look at what Biden has accomplished. If you want to see how the U.S should be run, just look at where we were two years ago. What Trump said has been taken out of context. All the great things Trump accomplished the media does not want to talk about. The media only talks about Trump when they can not tell the truth.
Not sure what Biden has to do with what Trump said, but...
yep it sucks that our two choices were old, narcissistic guy 1 and old, mentally incapacitated guy 2. Would be nice to have good options.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 05:00:40 AMI don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption.
Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .
Cut the crap, we're not playing this game of me dragging up posts that prove you're a liar.
You support the left, that's a given, but the question still stands, and for this forum to understand where you're coming form, it needs to understand why you support moving the US into Communism.
So the question still stands.
It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?
I'm just trying to figure you out.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 05:58:34 AMCut the crap, we're not playing this game of me dragging up posts that prove you're a liar.
You support the left, that's a given, but the question still stands, and for this forum to understand where you're coming form, it needs to understand why you support moving the US into Communism.
I have my beliefs. Some of them align with the Left. Some align with the Right. I don't adjust my beliefs to fit neatly into a political party.
QuoteSo the question still stands.
It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?
I'm just trying to figure you out.
I don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny, homophobia and racism.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 07:08:03 AMI don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny and racism.
Here's the problem, and I know you've seen it. The left now supports full blown communism through fascism.
There is no longer a middle of the road. Either you want the US to survive, or become just another state of the NWO true communism.
QuoteI don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny and racism.
Why even go there? The racism you refer to was Democrats, they owned it then, and they're still pushing it today.
So the question remains! Your point of racism was kicked to the curb by our Founders: "All Men Are Created Equal".
Problem is, it was always the left wanting to hurt black people. Did you not study history?
So again, why do you hate America's Founding ideals, so much so, you'd support the left in anything?
Give us examples where you support the leftists over the Right.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 07:17:58 AMHere's the problem, and I know you've seen it. The left now supports full blown communism through fascism.
There is no longer a middle of the road. Either you want the US to survive, or become just another state of the NWO true communism.
Why even go there? The racism you refer to was Democrats, they owned it then, and they're still pushing it today.
So the question remains! Your point of racism was kicked to the curb by our Founders: "All Men Are Created Equal".
Problem is, it was always the left wanting to hurt black people. Did you not study history?
So again, why do you hate America's Founding ideals, so much so, you'd support the left in anything?
Give us examples where you support the leftists over the Right.
You asked me a question about what I feared from early America and I gave you 3 things. I'd hope that you also are scared of those things.
Some Liberal ideas that I support are:
- Abortion (to a point)
- Gay marriage
- Keeping religion out of schools and government in general
That's not all of them, but those are 3 that came to mind.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 05:00:40 AMI don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption.
Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .
Ok since you dont want to talk about people making up their minds over trump why dont you explain what exactly was so bad about what trump said? What is so bad about trump saying some of the constitutions rules have been broken?
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 08:56:09 AMOk since you dont want to talk about people making up their minds over trump why dont you explain what exactly was so bad about what trump said? What is so bad about trump saying some of the constitutions rules have been broken?
If I have to explain to you why his comment was bad, there's no chance we are going to agree and it would be a waste of both of our times.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 05:27:13 AMNot sure what Biden has to do with what Trump said, but...
yep it sucks that our two choices were old, narcissistic guy 1 and old, mentally incapacitated guy 2. Would be nice to have good options.
Hmmm, can you at least admit that trump never said anything wrong about mexico sending drug dealer and rapists or that trump never supported racists at Charlottesville? Can you admit the media took trump out of context in those two classic examples?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 07:08:03 AMI have my beliefs. Some of them align with the Left. Some align with the Right. I don't adjust my beliefs to fit neatly into a political party.
I don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny, homophobia and racism.
Whats wrong with the first two? Men and women arent the same and we see that the patriarchy of the past was much better for the nation as a whole than the current matriarchy we are experiencing. Look at how much the cancer of feminism has ruined the family unit. Thats why everyone calls modern feminism cancer. Even the women are generally much less happy today then they were as housewives.
And science has proven that being gay is a harmful mental illness. The loving thing is to help gays to overcome their disorder and live normal happy lives.
As for racism, the right dealt with that in the civil war. Can you give me any examples of right wing racism today?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 08:57:38 AMIf I have to explain to you why his comment was bad, there's no chance we are going to agree and it would be a waste of both of our times.
So you cant prove that trumps comment was in anyway against the constitution?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 07:47:36 AMYou asked me a question about what I feared from early America and I gave you 3 things. I'd hope that you also are scared of those things.
Some Liberal ideas that I support are:
- Abortion (to a point)
- Gay marriage
- Keeping religion out of schools and government in general
That's not all of them, but those are 3 that came to mind.
So you support:
Murdering children
Normalizing mental illness
Pushing atheism in schools and govt
Wow, ya def leftist to the core. What are some equal right wing things you agree with that makes you claim to be a centrist?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 07:47:36 AMYou asked me a question about what I feared from early America and I gave you 3 things. I'd hope that you also are scared of those things.
Some Liberal ideas that I support are:
Abortion is a States Rights issue, not a Federal one.
Quote
There is no societal benefit to same sex marrying. They do not procreate, therefore, their is no need for a certificate.
You do know the left created this issue in the first place. Read about Harry Hayes, the man behind the gay movement.
QuoteKeeping religion out of schools and government in general
Again, none of the govts business. Remember, the First Amendment was a barrier against govt, not religion.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 10:47:59 AMAbortion is a States Rights issue, not a Federal one.
Right, we were discussing what Liberal ideas I support. State or federal, it's still a Liberal position to support abortion.
QuoteThere is no societal benefit to same sex marrying. They do not procreate, therefore, their is no need for a certificate.
Procreation is irrelevant, but as soon as the state stops offering the certificate to everyone, the issue will be resolved!
QuoteYou do know the left created this issue in the first place. Read about Harry Hayes, the man behind the gay movement.
No, I didn't know. Regardless of who created it, I still support some abortion.
QuoteAgain, none of the govts business. Remember, the First Amendment was a barrier against govt, not religion.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 11:11:19 AMRight, we were discussing what Liberal ideas I support. State or federal, it's still a Liberal position to support abortion.
But since you took the position you will now have to defend it.
QuoteProcreation is irrelevant, but as soon as the state stops offering the certificate to everyone, the issue will be resolved!
No, there needs to be a reason for it. Marriage isnt just some random thing humans made up at some point. Here in america we acknowledge the religious foundation of marriage. Cant seperate marriage from religion.
QuoteNo, I didn't know. Regardless of who created it, I still support some abortion.
But on what moral grounds?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 11:11:19 AMRight, we were discussing what Liberal ideas I support. State or federal, it's still a Liberal position to support abortion.
Well supporting the murder of children, certainly is a liberal position.
QuoteProcreation is irrelevant, but as soon as the state stops offering the certificate to everyone, the issue will be resolved!
No, it's what society is based upon! Recording family history IS, a societal decision millennia old.
Gays do not procreate, it ends in one generation, there is no need to record it.
Also, marriage is a religious institution, again, a First Amendment issue the govt has no business getting involved in.
Remember, gays were offered a Civil Union license, one the left handily rejected out of hand, simply because, this was never about anything other than destroying the sanctity of marriage.
QuoteNo, I didn't know. Regardless of who created it, I still support some abortion.
Yeah, we know, damn the children!
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 11:18:51 AMBut on what moral grounds?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Libs and morality? :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 11:20:11 AMWell supporting the murder of children, certainly is a liberal position.
No, it's what society is based upon! Recording family history IS, a societal decision millennia old.
Gays do not procreate, it ends in one generation, there is no need to record it.
Also, marriage is a religious institution, again, a First Amendment issue the govt has no business getting involved in.
Remember, gays were offered a Civil Union license, one the left handily rejected out of hand, simply because, this was never about anything other than destroying the sanctity of marriage.
Yeah, we know, damn the children!
Thats the core of it right there. The left first want to make marriage non religious then to redefine it in an attempt to prove that man created marriage in the first place and not God. Its another pathetic failed attempt to by the atheists to attack religion, nothing new.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 11:20:11 AMWell supporting the murder of children, certainly is a liberal position.
No, it's what society is based upon! Recording family history IS, a societal decision millennia old.
Gays do not procreate, it ends in one generation, there is no need to record it.
Also, marriage is a religious institution, again, a First Amendment issue the govt has no business getting involved in.
Remember, gays were offered a Civil Union license, one the left handily rejected out of hand, simply because, this was never about anything other than destroying the sanctity of marriage.
Yeah, we know, damn the children!
Are you going to have the state confirm that each couple has children to maintain their marriage? Should we give fertility tests before the state grants a marriage license? Can divorced men, who have had a vasectomy, be disallowed from remarrying?
You seem to want to give the government a LOT of oversight into the lives of people!
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 11:47:32 AMAre you going to have the state confirm that each couple has children to maintain their marriage? Should we give fertility tests before the state grants a marriage license? Can divorced men, who have had a vasectomy, be disallowed from remarrying?
Why would ANY of that matter? Fertility is why gay marriage isnt allowed, its not the basis for why regular marriage is a thing.
The family is and science shows us that you need a father and mother to raise a child. Thats why we try to reduce single parent families as well.
There is no such thing as gay parents.
QuoteYou seem to want to give the government a LOT of oversight into the lives of people!
Projection. In fact it is YOU wanting the govt to come in and force people to accept mental disorders as normal by accepting homosexual marriage.
Remember, the govt allowing gay marriage is actually the govt getting MORE involved. The libertarian position is for the govt to stay out of marriage and leave it the way its always been, to leave it to the states where the constitution puts it.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 12:01:26 PMWhy would ANY of that matter?
Projection. In fact it is YOU wanting the govt to come in and force people to accept mental disorders as normal by accepting homosexual marriage.
Remember, the govt allowing gay marriage is actually the govt getting MORE involved. The libertarian position is for the govt to stay out of marriage and leave it the way its always been, to leave it to the states where the constitution puts it.
it's this simple: as long as the government is involved in marriage, they cannot legally discriminate. People who support freedom, life and liberty should support two consenting adults being able to enter into a legal contract, just as they are able in EVERY other facet of life.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 12:05:12 PMit's this simple: as long as the government is involved in marriage, they cannot legally discriminate.
But you are lying. You have yet to prove how denying Gays marriage is discrimination in any way shape or form.
You need to show an example of where a mental disorder is normalized under law. Until you can do that you dont have a leg to stand on.
The discrimination laws you keep referring to dont mention anything about the mental disorder of being homosexual. There is no law that stops the state from treating mental illness as such.
QuotePeople who support freedom, life and liberty should support two consenting adults being able to enter into a legal contract, just as they are able in EVERY other facet of life.
We do allow normal mentally healthy adults to entre contracts. But we are talking about marriage here, not contract.
Marriage is far far more than just a contract so thats not applicable in this situation. We as a nation have always accepted that it is a gift from God for good social wellbeing. We have also always accepted the science surrounding mental disorders.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 11:47:32 AMAre you going to have the state confirm that each couple has children to maintain their marriage? Should we give fertility tests before the state grants a marriage license? Can divorced men, who have had a vasectomy, be disallowed from remarrying?
You seem to want to give the government a LOT of oversight into the lives of people!
What part of the First Amendment do you not get?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 12:05:12 PMit's this simple: as long as the government is involved in marriage, they cannot legally discriminate. People who support freedom, life and liberty should support two consenting adults being able to enter into a legal contract, just as they are able in EVERY other facet of life.
This should be a good lesson for you. When Govt got involved in marriage, as in tax breaks for married couples, many screamed it was unconstitutional, that the Fed should not be creating tax laws based on marriage.
This was the slippery slope we've been warning about for decades, but since people only saw it as a tax refund, they stopped complaining. Money talks, and the Fed kept growing...
It's still a states Rights issue, as in a county recorder issue, maintaining records as afforded in the Constitution.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 07:08:03 AMI have my beliefs. Some of them align with the Left. Some align with the Right. I don't adjust my beliefs to fit neatly into a political party.
I don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny, homophobia and racism.
Has anybody on this forum claimed they are republican?
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 02:30:09 PMHas anybody on this forum claimed they are republican?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I only know of one. Not good odds when trying to bash a group.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 11:47:32 AMAre you going to have the state confirm that each couple has children to maintain their marriage? Should we give fertility tests before the state grants a marriage license? Can divorced men, who have had a vasectomy, be disallowed from remarrying?
You seem to want to give the government a LOT of oversight into the lives of people!
Through history, marriage has always been between a man and a woman, it had always been a religious ceremony. What has changed that we now need to redefine what marriage is? How exactly is society going to benefit from allowing two men to become married? If they want to live together, fine, keep it to yourself. Want to have a say so in your partners affairs, get power of attorney. But to say there is a right?? Show the history.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 02:32:32 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I only know of one. Not good odds when trying to bash a group.
I do think that is where some of his misguided beliefs are coming from. He can only see in a two party system, and since we do not agree with him, we must be republican. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 12:40:50 PMWhat part of the First Amendment do you not get?
From the answers I have seen from him, he does not get any of it. Don't think he understands the constitution either.
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 02:30:09 PMHas anybody on this forum claimed they are republican?
Right. The left loves to conveniently ignore the fact that conservatives have been calling out the RINOs for years.
Yes both parties are corrupt, but the right has tried and is succeeding in reigning in the GOP while the left just handed the dems over to the globalists. I suppose the bernie bros did come over to MAGA, but they were not loved by the dems.
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 02:40:26 PMI do think that is where some of his misguided beliefs are coming from. He can only see in a two party system, and since we do not agree with him, we must be republican. :lol: :lol:
Sad that people still fall for the belief that the GOP actually represents the base of the party. They do not!
The only reason people vote Pub is in hopes of getting more actual Conservatives into the party before they go over the edge into full blown NWO territory.
This nation is out of options, we either steal the GOP or we go into rebellion.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is a refusal to accept the Fed, ignore whatever they dictate, and go about our lives.
Stop paying taxes, full on revolt, but it will take all of us in lockstep, all the way to airport security.
If all of us simply say no more, there isn't a single thing the govt can do.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 02:52:46 PMRight. The left loves to conveniently ignore the fact that conservatives have been calling out the RINOs for years.
Yes both parties are corrupt, but the right has tried and is succeeding in reigning in the GOP while the left just handed the dems over to the globalists. I suppose the bernie bros did come over to MAGA, but they were not loved by the dems.
How can anyone read what is posted on this forum and not see that? :lol: It has been stated over and over we can not stand the rinos, we despise what they do more than the democrats. I understand how Zen could miss that, but the others? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 02:59:02 PMSad that people still fall for the belief that the GOP actually represents the base of the party. They do not!
The only reason people vote Pub is in hopes of getting more actual Conservatives into the party before they go over the edge into full blown NWO territory.
This nation is out of options, we either steal the GOP or we go into rebellion.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is a refusal to accept the Fed, ignore whatever they dictate, and go about our lives.
Stop paying taxes, full on revolt, but it will take all of us in lockstep, all the way to airport security.
If all of us simply say no more, there isn't a single thing the govt can do.
This right here is what I think Trump and Q are building up too. I think they will let the left steal 2024 and then right afterwards this will happen. The people will be at the precipice and will decide no more. People will simply all ignore the false govt and will stop paying taxes.
I hope we see something like this on the state level if hobbes cheats lake out of AZ.
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 02:59:20 PMHow can anyone read what is posted on this forum and not see that? :lol: It has been stated over and over we can not stand the rinos, we despise what they do more than the democrats. I understand how Zen could miss that, but the others? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Willful ignorance at its finest. They need for the lies to persist, that is their only hope and tactic.
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 02:42:11 PMFrom the answers I have seen from him, he does not get any of it. Don't think he understands the constitution either.
Yep, one of the reasons the left started calling it a "Living Breathing Document" (Hillary Clinton).
They wanted to convince people the Constitution was pliable and since they want everyone to believe we're a democracy, that the Mob has a say, and if the DNC does anything unconstitutional, so be it.
This is why these kids don't see why we're so steadfast in our belief in our Founding and why we're willing to kill and die to protect it for future generations.
I didn't serve in war time so some snot nosed kid can trash our Nation!
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 02:59:02 PMSad that people still fall for the belief that the GOP actually represents the base of the party. They do not!
The only reason people vote Pub is in hopes of getting more actual Conservatives into the party before they go over the edge into full blown NWO territory.
This nation is out of options, we either steal the GOP or we go into rebellion.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is a refusal to accept the Fed, ignore whatever they dictate, and go about our lives.
Stop paying taxes, full on revolt, but it will take all of us in lockstep, all the way to airport security.
If all of us simply say no more, there isn't a single thing the govt can do.
And you just nailed what is wrong in Texas. We can not get a conservative to win the primaries, and then we vote for rino lite because they are the most conservative. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: We sit and watch our larger cities, especially Austin, become a third world country, and wonder if there is a government program that might help out. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 03:02:41 PMThis right here is what I think Trump and Q are building up too. I think they will let the left steal 2024 and then right afterwards this will happen. The people will be at the precipice and will decide no more. People will simply all ignore the false govt and will stop paying taxes.
I hope we see something like this on the state level if hobbes cheats lake out of AZ.
I believe it will be sooner than that.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 03:05:47 PMI believe it will be sooner than that.
I REALLY hope you are right and the only reason I say 2024 is due to trump saying not enough people were awake yet. Personally I think more than enough are awake and we could have pulled the trigger after they stole 2020. AZ certainly seems to be ready to blow now.
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 03:04:54 PMAnd you just nailed what is wrong in Texas. We can not get a conservative to win the primaries, and then we vote for rino lite because they are the most conservative. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: We sit and watch our larger cities, especially Austin, become a third world country, and wonder if there is a government program that might help out. :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
Yep, and we stood and watched McCON-nel fight against Conservatives running while the Establishment backed actual commies in the party.
I think we're don't with the machine vote. It changes back to a paper ballot, or people are going o start taking the law into their own hands.
People are pissed and they see the NWO moving in and want no part of it, and by God, it's our Right to fight them every way possible!
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 03:10:55 PMI REALLY hope you are right and the only reason I say 2024 is due to trump saying not enough people were awake yet. Personally I think more than enough are awake and we could have pulled the trigger as it after they stole 2020. AZ certainly seems to be ready to blow now.
I know what you're saying, but once Lakes appeal is over, that will be the timeline to act, because we know they're still going to steal her Rightfully won seat and seize power.
We're dealing with a Uniparty, run by the NWO. They, DNC and GOP know their time is also running out, it's as if we're all racing towards the finish line, where the entire American arsenal goes to the winner.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 03:11:37 PMYep, and we stood and watched McCON-nel fight against Conservatives running while the Establishment backed actual commies in the party.
I think we're don't with the machine vote. It changes back to a paper ballot, or people are going o start taking the law into their own hands.
People are pissed and they see the NWO moving in and want no part of it, and by God, it's our Right to fight them every way possible!
Heard this being talked about on the radio this morning. According to the host, we are one of the few countries left, where the vote still matters, that is still using machines. Besides us, almost all countries using the machines are third world dictators. Most countries who are not full fledged dictators switched back to paper. Interesting if true.
Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 03:16:23 PMI know what you're saying, but once Lakes appeal is over, that will be the timeline to act, because we know they're still going to steal her Rightfully won seat and seize power.
We're dealing with a Uniparty, run by the NWO. They, DNC and GOP know their time is also running out, it's as if we're all racing towards the finish line, where the entire American arsenal goes to the winner.
Its SOOO exciting! We are def getting near the end of this nightmare. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 03:17:34 PMHeard this being talked about on the radio this morning. According to the host, we are one of the few countries left, where the vote still matters, that is still using machines. Besides us, almost all countries using the machines are third world dictators. Most countries who are not full fledged dictators switched back to paper. Interesting if true.
We can thank the GOP for this nightmare, they pushed these machines through, despite all the warnings at the time. Warnings that came true. :sneaky:
Quote from: T Hunt on December 09, 2022, 03:24:20 PMIts SOOO exciting! We are def getting near the end of this nightmare. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
YES!!!!!! Absolutely Agree!
Regardless the outcome, this is coming to a head and we need to demand something give one way or the other.
I want closure, I want trials and hangings, one way or the other.