Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 06:56:26 AMOnce again...opinion, not fact.

Actually no, the liberal media is quite clear in their motivations.

However, if my statement is opinion, then so is yours...
"Democrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York because of the way he treated women."

Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 07:04:21 AMFirst, no, not everyone has made up their mind on Trump.  Minds change all the time, that's part of the reason his vote total jumped from 2016 to 2020.

But we arent talking about 2020 anymore but now. Again, after 6 years there isnt anyone left who hasnt made up their minds, or if there is one or two they dont matter. They arent statistically insignificant.

QuoteThere's polling numbers for Trump, just as there is for other elected officials, that also change all the time.

Ya, polling that has been wrong for a long long time. You cant get facts from polling, its anything but scientific. No one has taken it seriously for awhile now.

QuoteThere are likely people who voted for Trump primarily to oppose Biden, not because their completely sold on Trump.

Those people are always going to vote against biden because he is that bad. Pedophilia is not tolerated by Americans.

QuoteIt's those people, the half-hearted supporters, who can be swayed by the dumb things he says, especially when you imply the Constitution should be terminated.

Thats a non issue. Trump has proven he already can get more than enough votes to win in an honest election. So if there is anyone who still hasnt jumped on the trump train they are on the far left. Yes some far left loons, possibly even yourself, will still switch sides and become MAGA. But trump already has a supermajority so they dont matter.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 11:18:33 AMActually no, the liberal media is quite clear in their motivations.

However, if my statement is opinion, then so is yours...
"Democrats forced Cuomo out of office in New York because of the way he treated women."

Your opinion of  liberal media.  You can't speak for the entirety of the media any more than you can speak for the entirety of voters because a) you aren't omniscient and b) not all voters or democrats think the same, as much as you want them to.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 11:35:15 AMBut we arent talking about 2020 anymore but now. Again, after 6 years there isnt anyone left who hasnt made up their minds, or if there is one or two they dont matter. They arent statistically insignificant.
Ya, polling that has been wrong for a long long time. You cant get facts from polling, its anything but scientific. No one has taken it seriously for awhile now.

That is all opinion presented as fact.

QuoteThose people are always going to vote against biden because he is that bad. Pedophilia is not tolerated by Americans.

 

QuoteThats a non issue. Trump has proven he already can get more than enough votes to win in an honest election.

That has nothing to do with people deciding to not vote for him because he says stupid crap.

QuoteSo if there is anyone who still hasnt jumped on the trump train they are on the far left.

opinion

QuoteYes some far left loons, possibly even yourself, will still switch sides and become MAGA. But trump already has a supermajority so they dont matter.

Opinion

Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 11:59:48 AMYour opinion of  liberal media.

Thats actually your opinion I quoted. 

QuoteYou can't speak for the entirety of the media any more than you can speak for the entirety of voters because a) you aren't omniscient and

Must one be omniscient to use observation and logical deduction? I guess according to the left you do.

Do I need to be omniscient to know and declare that cats hate water? You are dancing...

Quoteb) not all voters or democrats think the same, as much as you want them to.

Yes the radical left cult that is the dems these days do think the same, thats why they are called NPCs.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 12:03:28 PMThat is all opinion presented as fact.

You are trying to deflect from the fact that everyone has made up their minds about trump. If you are trying to dismiss that as opinion then you saying that there are people that havent made up their minds can also be as easily dismissed. Cant have it both ways...

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QuoteThat has nothing to do with people deciding to not vote for him because he says stupid crap.

Yes it does because the only people still left who are not already MAGA are far left radicals and they are not needed to take back power. He only needs the vast majority and he already has that.

Quoteopinion

No sorry that is a fact that can easily be verified by stepping out of your house and talking to people. You may not like it but just because you disagree doesnt mean its not true.

QuoteOpinion

Sorry but the 2020 election proved trump already has enough of the Will of the People to win. Thats math.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 08, 2022, 01:21:22 PMYou are trying to deflect from the fact that everyone has made up their minds about trump. If you are trying to dismiss that as opinion then you saying that there are people that havent made up their minds can also be as easily dismissed. Cant have it both ways...


Yes it does because the only people still left who are not already MAGA are far left radicals and they are not needed to take back power. He only needs the vast majority and he already has that.
No sorry that is a fact that can easily be verified by stepping out of your house and talking to people. You may not like it but just because you disagree doesnt mean its not true.
Sorry but the 2020 election proved trump already has enough of the Will of the People to win. Thats math.

as long as you're going to claim opinion is fact, we have nothing to discuss on this topic.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 01:51:02 PMas long as you're going to claim opinion is fact, we have nothing to discuss on this topic.

Dont be mad.
Why dont you try to explain why you think that a fact is an opinion....

If you think the facts I stated are opinions, prove them so....

Quote from: ZenMode on December 08, 2022, 01:51:02 PMas long as you're going to claim opinion is fact, we have nothing to discuss on this topic.

Why do you keep avoiding my question?

Quote from: Solar on December 04, 2022, 07:00:20 AMWhere did anyone say they didn't have an issue? How many times do I have to tell you this?
There Is No Two Party System!!!

Both party's work together for the NWO, they stopped representing the people decades ago!

The real question is, why are you supporting the corrupt left?

It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?

I'm just trying to figure you out.

Quote from: Solar on December 08, 2022, 07:36:47 PMWhy do you keep avoiding my question?


It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?

I'm just trying to figure you out.

I don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption. 

Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .

Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 05:00:40 AMI don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption. 

Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .

If you want to see what dumb looks like just watch Biden. If you want to see what bad results look like, look at what Biden has accomplished. If you want to see how the U.S should be run, just look at where we were two years ago. What Trump said has been taken out of context. All the great things Trump accomplished the media does not want to talk about. The media only talks about Trump when they can not tell the truth.

Quote from: Possum on December 09, 2022, 05:21:38 AMIf you want to see what dumb looks like just watch Biden. If you want to see what bad results look like, look at what Biden has accomplished. If you want to see how the U.S should be run, just look at where we were two years ago. What Trump said has been taken out of context. All the great things Trump accomplished the media does not want to talk about. The media only talks about Trump when they can not tell the truth.

Not sure what Biden has to do with what Trump said, but...

yep  it sucks that our two choices were old, narcissistic guy 1 and old, mentally incapacitated guy 2.  Would be nice to have good options.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 05:00:40 AMI don't support the Left any more than I support the Right and I don't support corruption. 

Back on topics, what Trump said was idiotic. This has been Trump's issue for as long as he's been running - when he goes off script, he says dumb things .

Cut the crap, we're not playing this game of me dragging up posts that prove you're a liar.
You support the left, that's a given, but the question still stands, and for this forum to understand where you're coming form, it needs to understand why you support moving the US into Communism.


So the question still stands.

It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?

I'm just trying to figure you out.

Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2022, 05:58:34 AMCut the crap, we're not playing this game of me dragging up posts that prove you're a liar.

You support the left, that's a given, but the question still stands, and for this forum to understand where you're coming form, it needs to understand why you support moving the US into Communism.

I have my beliefs.  Some of them align with the Left. Some align with the Right. I don't adjust my beliefs to fit neatly into a political party. 

QuoteSo the question still stands.

It's a serious question! What is it about an earlier time in America that scares you so much?
There's no denying it, this is the worst shape the US has ever been in, and I'd really like to know why you support the left?

I'm just trying to figure you out.

I don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny, homophobia and racism.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 09, 2022, 07:08:03 AMI don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny and racism.

Here's the problem, and I know you've seen it. The left now supports full blown communism through fascism.
There is no longer a middle of the road. Either you want the US to survive, or become just another state of the NWO true communism.

QuoteI don't know how "early" you're referring to, but some things that scare me from early america is the blatant misogyny and racism.

Why even go there? The racism you refer to was Democrats, they owned it then, and they're still pushing it today.
So the question remains! Your point of racism was kicked to the curb by our Founders: "All Men Are Created Equal".

Problem is, it was always the left wanting to hurt black people. Did you not study history?

So again, why do you hate America's Founding ideals, so much so, you'd support the left in anything?
Give us examples where you support the leftists over the Right.