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This is an excellent article, and really paints a good picture as to why the GOP is collapsing and why that's a good thing.
It's a bit of a read, but at least skim down to the demands part and read the closing paragraph.

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The document itself is not that long, but it can be tedious document for some to read, what with all the arcane language. It should be noted, however, that if you tried to read any of the bills Congress has foisted upon us in modern times, the Declaration is at least self-explanatory and instructive.

Some of the great things about reading the Declaration is that every word has such definable meaning, each sentence is carefully constructed, and the manner in which the Founders communicate independence is backed up by a long list of "Facts" to be "submitted to a candid world."

I'm told the legal term for this list is a "bill of particulars," in which perhaps a prosecutor would lay out a case against someone charged with a crime or crimes, but that's neither here nor there as long as you know when you read the list, it backs up the case for independence.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people ..."

You don't have to read long into the Declaration for your mind to worry about what we've become.  Are we "one people?" Shall we dissolve "political bands?" Do we believe in "unalienable Rights?" Has government become so far off and detached from the people that it can't possibly "derive their just powers from the consent of the governed?"

Isn't what the Left is doing when they act on anything a direct repudiation of everything in that document? Yes, I believe so, and it has Americans hopping mad.

Yet, when you read the list of grievances, you come to realize just how bad it was for the colonies in 1776. The Brits allied with murderous natives who wiped out entire families. At the time of the signing, the colonists and the British had been in open war for over a year, Bunker Hill had been fought, and some great men had died. British soldiers were on the streets and demanded property from the colonists, women were raped, and the King was taking away any rights of the colonists to have representation in Parliament. The colonists were far, far beyond any reason anymore. They had to either fight for independence, or be slaves to a distant government who abused them and had no respect for human life.

The enemy of the American Patriot is the American Left. They fight for the murder of the innocent, they offer tolerance to the enemy, they destroy every possible pursuit of happiness, they conjure crisis after crisis to reconcile takings of liberty, they relax law and order so street thugs can destroy whole cities, and they take the future away from our children by spending and use their positions in education to destroy their ability to reason.

So, who really stands with the American Patriot? It certainly isn't the Democratic Party. And while conservatives get thrashed over trashing Republicans, the truth is right now, the Republican Party is held in contempt by the American Patriot because they were put in charge to oppose the Democrats and they instead, went along with them. Republicans have spent numerous recent elections saying, "Hey, at least we aren't as bad as the Democrats!" And because of that, we have a presumptive nominee who is actually a Democrat.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/conservatives-list-of-grievances-against-the-2016-gop-establishment

"Become one of us!!!" is hardly a compelling argument for abandoning the Constitution and your principles.
It's the other way around, if you WANT my vote, EARN IT - don't threaten me, mock me, make fun of my favorite candidate or smear his supporters - at least learn some MANNERS and state your case why your favorite is a better choice than the rest.

All the Trump-a-loons have proven so far, 1. they're in love with conspiracy theories, 2. engage in accusing TEA of doing the very things they do, and 3. have no firm political policy basis other than a cult like following of Donald Trump... none of which appeals to me - 1. I'm not paranoid, 2. not guilty and 3. I believe in the Constitution / Bill of Rights as our best system/guide, not a person.

What I'm seeing demonstrated is two "cults of personality", Hillary and Donald, fighting it out.  Neither one is even trying or hinting they would consider the founding documents a valid guide - no, they're accusing each other of being "Unfair" or "Bad" or "Evil".   Seven-year-old Sandbox talk, which doesn't even rise to the intellect of a 11 year old. 

I walk away from BOTH of them, guilt free and sorrowful so many have been swept in with their foolish rhetoric.

Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

THE ESTABLISHMENT BACKED CRUZ??????? Are you on controlled substances! That you would even argue that, shows the conservative right your total ignorance of politics. THE ESTABLISHMENT BACKED TRUMP! All those Establishment politicians leaping on to the Trump train(wreck), and you're uninformed enough to label Cruz the "Establishment candidate". That, right there, is the main problem with Trump supporters. To them everything began when Trump declare for the nomination. All the things Cruz did before the primary run, and - especially - all the things Trump did before the primary, is terra incognito to you folks. Which is why you can never seem to understand how worrying his prior - and present - actions are to real conservatives.

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

The Establishment did not back Cruz. Anyone with a brain opposes Trump and that skank he runs against.

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

Where did the establishment back Cruz? They were undermining him every chance they got.

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

Oh Jeeezus, are you serious? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
Oh Jeeezus, are you serious? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Damn Trump Trolls get dumber every time they type.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

You really don't follow politics, do you?

Quote from: tac on July 05, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
Damn Trump Trolls get dumber every time they type.  :rolleyes:

:lol:
I swear, his every post exudes more and more ignorance on politics.
Why do these Trumpanzee kids come in here thinking they're more knowledgeable than people with wisdom three times their age?

They are as ignorant as their high priest.

Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Lindsay Graham endorsed Cruz, so that means the establishment backed Cruz?

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Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!

You haven't proven the establishment backed Cruz.  This should be easy for you.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-beohner-ted-cruz-lucifer-222570

Quote"Lucifer in the flesh," Boehner told an audience at Stanford University on Wednesday night, according to the Stanford Daily. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life."

In fact, Wednesday night was not the first occasion that Boehner has compared Cruz to "Lucifer." He used the epithet last month during a question-and-answer session with reporters at the Futures Industry Association conference in Boca Raton, Florida.

As far as Donald Trump goes, Boehner remarked that he had golfed with Trump for years and that the two are "texting buddies" — a comment Cruz seized on in his requital Thursday.

"If you want someone that's a texting and golfing buddy, if you're happy with John Boehner as speaker of the House and you want a president like John Boehner, Donald Trump's your man," Cruz told reporters during a stop in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Cruz insisted he never "worked with" Boehner and, in response to being called Lucifer, Cruz added that Boehner "allowed his inner Trump to come out."

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Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!

Graham's statement was not  a ringing endorsement and it went nowhere. GOPe did not rush to support Graham. That is hardly support of the establishment.

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 01:40:44 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-beohner-ted-cruz-lucifer-222570

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That's not fair!  Just because the former Speaker of the House, and the current Speaker of the House are good buddies and have endorsed Trump, doesn't mean he... er... ah... ahem.   sputter - pop - brrrrit - phazzz... :sad:

(damn conservatives got an answer for everything)   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!

Its really not that hard to educate yourself.

Quote from: TFields link=topic=25546.msg309322#msg309322 date=1467749938
b]Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!![/b]

You are pretty good at making stupid shit up. Cruz is the last person that the GOPe would ever consider backing. They were all in for JEB, until he did a face plant! Do you really believe that the GOPe would move from a RINO like JEB to a Conservative like Cruz?  :rolleyes:

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 05, 2016, 11:46:49 AM
Where did the establishment back Cruz? They were undermining him every chance they got.

That's true they did for most of the race. But when the race came down essentially to Cruz and Trump, the establishment held their noses back Cruz. They hate Cruz but they FEAR Trump (So much so that Romney/Ryan, McConnell, Meg Whitman, Haley Barbour, Bill Kristol, and company are still going to trying stop him at the convention with "Delegates Unbound" and other nonsense).

The question for us is what are they so afraid of? It can't be because he's a closet Democrat because then they would be embracing him with open arms and touting that he's "soooooo electable!" like they did the last Democrats with Rs Romney and McCain. 

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 03:29:33 PM
That's true they did for most of the race. But when the race came down essentially to Cruz and Trump, the establishment held their noses back Cruz. They hate Cruz but they FEAR Trump (So much so that Romney/Ryan, McConnell, Meg Whitman, Haley Barbour, Bill Kristol, and company are still going to trying stop him at the convention with "Delegates Unbound" and other nonsense).

The question for us is what are they so afraid of? It can't be because he's a closet Democrat because then they would be embracing him with open arms and touting that he's "soooooo electable!" like they did the last Democrats with Rs Romney and McCain.

TFields, do you think Trump will carry his home state?

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
TFields, do you think Trump will carry his home state district?

fixed it fer ya, His neighbors would certainly vote for him, wouldn't they?

Quote from: Double D on July 05, 2016, 03:22:22 PM
Its really not that hard to educate yourself.

Apparently it is in his case.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:26:03 PM
Apparently it is in his case.

I wonder what kind of grade he would have received at Trump University...

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
I wonder what kind of grade he would have received at Trump University...

From what I've read, the only way to fail was to figure out you were being scammed, otherwise, all the suckers graduated with top honors.
Bet he was valedictorian.... :rolleyes:

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
From what I've read, the only way to fail was to figure out you were being scammed, otherwise, all the suckers graduated with top honors.
Bet he was valedictorian.... :rolleyes:

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His voters are the same suckers who bought Trump U courses....  How many of them thought they were going to be millionaires?

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 06:42:13 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

His voters are the same suckers who bought Trump U courses....  How many of them thought they were going to be millionaires?

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Yep, the same people that keep the lottery alive, thinking one day they'll be millionaires.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:56:16 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep, the same people that keep the lottery alive, thinking one day they'll be millionaires.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lottery players at least win once in a while...

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 05, 2016, 01:50:02 PM
Graham's statement was not  a ringing endorsement and it went nowhere. GOPe did not rush to support Graham. That is hardly support of the establishment.

All the unbound delegates went to Cruz when he was Trump's last serious opponent including every single one of Colorado's delegates because they don't have a primary- all of the deletgates are picked by the state party bosses- and they unanimously selected Cruz.

Controversy erupted in Louisiana when after Trump had already won Louisiana, the state party boses there stole a number of delegates away from Trump and switched them to Cruz.

During the primary, Mitt Romney held a special press conference to blast Trump- calling him a "phony! A fraud!" and then recommended to voters before Super Tuesday night "I would vote for Ted Cruz in Kansas. Jon Kasich in Ohio. Marco Rubio in Florida."

Paul Ryan came out and directly attack Trump on multiple occasions- especially after Trump announced his muslim ban at a campaign rally with Ryan exclaiming on the House floor " This is not conservativism!" "This is not conservativism!"  He's also accused Trump of "Textbook rasicsm" in his criticism of the Latino supremist judge overseeing the Trump University case.

Mitch McConnell has plans underway to run ads against Trump to -as he claims- "protect the Senate" from supposed bad political fallout from Trump.

Ever since Trump won the primary and became the presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney has held many meetings out in Utah with Paul Ryan, Reince Preibus, and top GOP donors and party officials. The topic- what to do about Trump.

National Review came out with a hit issue (not a hit piece- an entire hit ISSUE) feature turncoat "conservatives" who are against Trump. (That was the the headline of the issue).

Bill Kristol gathered a petition of NeoCons and so-called "conservatives" to put up David French as a third party so-called "conservative" alternative to Trump. It came apart when French refused.

To date the are still ongoing plots by Romney, the 'Delegates Unbound' PAC, and others in the GOP establishment that are trying to stop Trump at the convention at Cleveland.

You will not find any media outlet either left or right that would even entertain the notion that the GOP establishment wing of the party supported Donald Trump AT ANY POINT during the GOP presidential primary. Ditto with any professional pundit left or right.ALL OF THEM WOULD LAUGH YOU OUT OF ROOM FOR EVEN SUGGESTING SUCH A THING!!!!!!THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY THAN HAVE TRUMP THEY HATE HIM SO BAD!!!!!

Now that I've caught you guys up on the news for the last year, I return to my original question:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat, why did the establishment choose to back Cruz instead of Trump when it came down to it instead of the reverse?

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 03:29:33 PM
That's true they did for most of the race. But when the race came down essentially to Cruz and Trump, the establishment held their noses back Cruz. They hate Cruz but they FEAR Trump (So much so that Romney/Ryan, McConnell, Meg Whitman, Haley Barbour, Bill Kristol, and company are still going to trying stop him at the convention with "Delegates Unbound" and other nonsense).

The question for us is what are they so afraid of? It can't be because he's a closet Democrat because then they would be embracing him with open arms and touting that he's "soooooo electable!" like they did the last Democrats with Rs Romney and McCain.

The above statement is actually accurate.
The Establishment hates Cruz.
But when Trump got close to winning,
Romney, etc. said, "Vote for anyone but Trump!"
Not to promote Cruz, but to stop Trump.
They wanted an "open convention"
so they could maneuver Kasich in.

The Establishment REALLY HATES Trump.
That indicates that Trump could actually be
a renegade from the Establishment.

Of course we'd all feel more confident with someone
who has consistently articulated conservatism over the years,
instead of someone who has sucked up to the Establishment
to be allowed to do business.

I see the general election as a game of Russian roulette.
There are two revolvers.
The one marked "D" has a live round in every chamber.
The one marked "R" is a mystery.
I'll take ANY chance over a certain NO chance.

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
TFields, do you think Trump will carry his home state?

It's still very early me to try to say state by state and New York is real deep blue (I think because of the large inner city population) but I would say he stands the best chance as any R since Reagan that we've had (It's his home if anything).

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 08:09:26 PM
It's still very early me to try to say state by state and New York is real deep blue (I think because of the large inner city population) but I would say he stands the best chance as any R since Reagan that we've had (It's his home if anything).

How did he do versus Hillary in the NY Primaries?

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 08:13:01 PM
How did he do versus Hillary in the NY Primaries?

I can't remember exactly but I believe Hillary won pretty comfortably over Bernie Sanders. Trump won handily over Kasich with Cruz being a distant third (he picked up nearly all 90 delegates by winning over 60 percent of the vote).

Quote from: je_freedom on July 05, 2016, 07:51:47 PM
The above statement is actually accurate.
The Establishment hates Cruz.
But when Trump got close to winning,
Romney, etc. said, "Vote for anyone but Trump!"
Not to promote Cruz, but to stop Trump.
They wanted an "open convention"
so they could maneuver Kasich in.

The Establishment REALLY HATES Trump.
That indicates that Trump could actually be
a renegade from the Establishment.

Of course we'd all feel more confident with someone
who has consistently articulated conservatism over the years,
instead of someone who has sucked up to the Establishment
to be allowed to do business.

I see the general election as a game of Russian roulette.
There are two revolvers.
The one marked "D" has a live round in every chamber.
The one marked "R" is a mystery.
I'll take ANY chance over a certain NO chance.

I've always found that in no place do actions speak louder than words than in politics. The very fact that they hate Trump with such an unprecedented level of hysteria speaks volumes. We know that it couldn't be because he's some closet left wing Democrat like they say because in 2012 they broke a lot of their own primary rules and cheated to all but coronate a pro choice co- architect of Obamacare from Massachusetts that they were so proud to get and were just going gaga over (he was just sooooo electable!) The same with the POW turned Benidict Arnold and every other nominee they've had except Reagan - they hated Reagan but now go around and lie trying to convince us that they are probably biological cousins of his (we Reaganites proudly claim the mantle of Reagan!)- amazing what a little hindsight can do.

Trump comes along and- just like that!- the Republican Party all of a sudden wants a conservative nominee.

You NeverTrumpers think he doesn't add anything the party? He single handedly pulled of a political miracle none of us ever thought we'd see in our lives. The GOP finally wanting a conservative!

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
I can't remember exactly but I believe Hillary won pretty comfortably over Bernie Sanders. Trump won handily over Kasich with Cruz being a distant third (he picked up nearly all 90 delegates by winning over 60 percent of the vote).

It was about 2-1.  Even Sanders smoked Donald.

To be clear, are you saying Donald has a shot at winning NY?

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 07:51:19 PM
All the unbound delegates went to Cruz when he was Trump's last serious opponent including every single one of Colorado's delegates because they don't have a primary- all of the deletgates are picked by the state party bosses- and they unanimously selected Cruz.

Controversy erupted in Louisiana when after Trump had already won Louisiana, the state party boses there stole a number of delegates away from Trump and switched them to Cruz.

During the primary, Mitt Romney held a special press conference to blast Trump- calling him a "phony! A fraud!" and then recommended to voters before Super Tuesday night "I would vote for Ted Cruz in Kansas. Jon Kasich in Ohio. Marco Rubio in Florida."

Paul Ryan came out and directly attack Trump on multiple occasions- especially after Trump announced his muslim ban at a campaign rally with Ryan exclaiming on the House floor " This is not conservativism!" "This is not conservativism!"  He's also accused Trump of "Textbook rasicsm" in his criticism of the Latino supremist judge overseeing the Trump University case.

Mitch McConnell has plans underway to run ads against Trump to -as he claims- "protect the Senate" from supposed bad political fallout from Trump.

Ever since Trump won the primary and became the presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney has held many meetings out in Utah with Paul Ryan, Reince Preibus, and top GOP donors and party officials. The topic- what to do about Trump.

National Review came out with a hit issue (not a hit piece- an entire hit ISSUE) feature turncoat "conservatives" who are against Trump. (That was the the headline of the issue).

Bill Kristol gathered a petition of NeoCons and so-called "conservatives" to put up David French as a third party so-called "conservative" alternative to Trump. It came apart when French refused.

To date the are still ongoing plots by Romney, the 'Delegates Unbound' PAC, and others in the GOP establishment that are trying to stop Trump at the convention at Cleveland.

You will not find any media outlet either left or right that would even entertain the notion that the GOP establishment wing of the party supported Donald Trump AT ANY POINT during the GOP presidential primary. Ditto with any professional pundit left or right.ALL OF THEM WOULD LAUGH YOU OUT OF ROOM FOR EVEN SUGGESTING SUCH A THING!!!!!!THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY THAN HAVE TRUMP THEY HATE HIM SO BAD!!!!!

Now that I've caught you guys up on the news for the last year, I return to my original question:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat, why did the establishment choose to back Cruz instead of Trump when it came down to it instead of the reverse?

You made some valid points of GOPe bashing Trump. That does not equate to endorsing Cruz. The LA GOP is an aberration as its establishment is conservative.

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 10:50:37 PM
I've always found that in no place do actions speak louder than words than in politics. The very fact that they hate Trump with such an unprecedented level of hysteria speaks volumes. We know that it couldn't be because he's some closet left wing Democrat like they say because in 2012 they broke a lot of their own primary rules and cheated to all but coronate a pro choice co- architect of Obamacare from Massachusetts that they were so proud to get and were just going gaga over (he was just sooooo electable!) The same with the POW turned Benidict Arnold and every other nominee they've had except Reagan - they hated Reagan but now go around and lie trying to convince us that they are probably biological cousins of his (we Reaganites proudly claim the mantle of Reagan!)- amazing what a little hindsight can do.

Trump comes along and- just like that!- the Republican Party all of a sudden wants a conservative nominee.

You NeverTrumpers think he doesn't add anything the party? He single handedly pulled of a political miracle none of us ever thought we'd see in our lives. The GOP finally wanting a conservative!

Is there an ignore feature on this forum?

Quote from: Double D on July 06, 2016, 06:32:16 AM
Is there an ignore feature on this forum?

Is not seeing his name enough to make you just walk on by?  :lol: 

I am not sure who he is working for Hillary or Trump.   (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi888.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac82%2Fjordy_rym%2FOldy%2Fundecided.gif&hash=5c3fd4111b33d4a6dc2271b8c4623c9bb9f51faf)

Quote from: Double D on July 06, 2016, 06:32:16 AM
Is there an ignore feature on this forum?

I understand your frustration, but I want their message to get out, I want the people to see just how ignorant Trumpanzees really are.
It's Blatantly obvious the majority of Trump's base just discovered politics when Trump hit the scene for his third attempt at the WH, and most had no clue that one of those runs was under the (D) banner, while the other half of his base are lbs, which is why Trump is having so much luck pandering to Sanders supporters.

But do these Trumpanzees make the leftist connection? Of course not, they only just discovered politics when Trump burst onto the screen, never once asking why the leftist media was giving Trump over 2 billion in free ad time every time he opened his yap.
I agree, part of me wishes it were possible to ignore their stupidity, but unfortunately this tiny minority is a vocal lot and the GOP'e as well as the left are working hard to get Pavlov's dogs to drool at every mention of the Lib.

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2016, 07:02:30 AM
I understand your frustration, but I want their message to get out, I want the people to see just how ignorant Trumpanzees really are.
It's Blatantly obvious the majority of Trump's base just discovered politics when Trump hit the scene for his third attempt at the WH, and most had no clue that one of those runs was under the (D) banner, while the other half of his base are lbs, which is why Trump is having so much luck pandering to Sanders supporters.

But do these Trumpanzees make the leftist connection? Of course not, they only just discovered politics when Trump burst onto the screen, never once asking why the leftist media was giving Trump over 2 billion in free ad time every time he opened his yap.
I agree, part of me wishes it were possible to ignore their stupidity, but unfortunately this tiny minority is a vocal lot and the GOP'e as well as the left are working hard to get Pavlov's dogs to drool at every mention of the Lib.

I would lay odds that there are more DEM crossover voters (intentional) than has been reported; those in their 'right' minds realize by now that the orange orangutan is nothing more than a liberal fraud.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 06, 2016, 10:59:35 AM
I would lay odds that there are more DEM crossover voters (intentional) than has been reported; those in their 'right' minds realize by now that the orange orangutan is nothing more than a liberal fraud.

They crossed over to take out Ted Cruz by voting for Trump.  Now they will cross back over and take out Trump.  The object was to take out Ted Cruz.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 06, 2016, 10:59:35 AM
I would lay odds that there are more DEM crossover voters (intentional) than has been reported; those in their 'right' minds realize by now that the orange orangutan is nothing more than a liberal fraud.

SC was 26% crossover for Trump, while it varied a bit on a state for state basis, 25-30% is fair average, I've heard.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 06, 2016, 10:59:35 AM
I would lay odds that there are more DEM crossover voters (intentional) than has been reported; those in their 'right' minds realize by now that the orange orangutan is nothing more than a liberal fraud.

Yep, and they have no intention of supporting him in the general election.

Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2016, 12:12:09 PM
Yep, and they have no intention of supporting him in the general election.

Well, I believe trump when he said he did not want the conservative base.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/05/08/trump-i-have-principles-dont-need-conservatives-to-support-me/
Its just one of the many reasons I will write in Cruz. And for all of the trumpsters who can not believe I am writing in Cruz, I am giving trump the support he asked for. Life is hell, the conservatives can't stand him and the liberals have hillery.

Quote from: Double D on July 06, 2016, 06:32:16 AM
Is there an ignore feature on this forum?

Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

Hmmm...
TFields Reporting a topic to a moderator.

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Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

Thanks for reminding me Trump has no political policy, no hope for a better future, and nothing to run on but insults.

Summarizes the recent visits by the Trump-a-loons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2016, 04:32:56 AM
You made some valid points of GOPe bashing Trump. That does not equate to endorsing Cruz. The LA GOP is an aberration as its establishment is conservative.

Maybe. But how about Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, John McCain, Lindsey Graham (who said in an interview late in the race "Looks like we're going to have to back Cruz" this after a month earlier he said "Ted Cruz or Donald Trump- like being poisoned or being shot!") Meg Whitman (who's endorsed Hillary. At the Romney summit she chewed out Paul Ryan for his verbal endorsement of Trump. Ryan responded that he has unity obligations as speaker.) Mitch McConnell (who going to run ads against Trump in the general) Karl Rove, Marco Rubio, George Will (who's now changed his party registration because of Trump), Charles Krauthammer, the entire staff of the Wall Street Journal (Bret Stephens actually said that it's imperative that Trump lose to Hillary in order to teach the Rupublican base a lesson), Rich Lowery and Jonah Goldberg and everyone else at the National Review, Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes and the Weekly Standard, as well as the entire as the entire crop of GOP Wall Street donors who consider Trump to be the equavalent of a smallpox outbreak and are desperately trying to stop him.

I'm glad to hear that now all of this RINO scum is now conservative.

All of this is just tap-dancing around my over-all question:

Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 04:57:47 PM
Maybe. But how about Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, John McCain, Lindsey Graham (who said in an interview late in the race "Looks like we're going to have to back Cruz" this after a month earlier he said "Ted Cruz or Donald Trump- like being poisoned or being shot!") Meg Whitman (who's endorsed Hillary. At the Romney summit she chewed out Paul Ryan for his verbal endorsement of Trump. Ryan responded that he has unity obligations as speaker.) Mitch McConnell (who going to run ads against Trump in the general) Karl Rove, Marco Rubio, George Will (who's now changed his party registration because of Trump), Charles Krauthammer, the entire staff of the Wall Street Journal (Bret Stephens actually said that it's imperative that Trump lose to Hillary in order to teach the Rupublican base a lesson), Rich Lowery and Jonah Goldberg and everyone else at the National Review, Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes and the Weekly Standard, as well as the entire as the entire crop of GOP Wall Street donors who consider Trump to be the equavalent of a smallpox outbreak and are desperately trying to stop him.

I'm glad to hear that now all of this RINO scum is now conservative.

All of this is just tap-dancing around my over-all question:

Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

Yet fail to recognize the long list of Establishment hacks and elites/RINO that do support the NY Lib.
Your list has just been Trumped... :biggrin:

Bob Dole: YEA

John Boehner: YEA

Trent Lott: YEA

Dick Cheney: YEA

Newt Gingrich: YEA

Reince Priebus: YEA

Rick Perry: YEA

Mike Huckabee: YEA

Bobby Jindal: YEA

Eric Cantor: YEA

Ben Carson: YEA

Rick Santorum: YEA

Herman Cain: YEA

Donald Rumsfeld: YEA

Paul Ryan: YEA

Kevin McCarthy: YEA

Steve Scalise: YEA

Cathy McMorris Rodgers: YEA

Raul Labrador: YEA

Mitch McConnell: YEA[/b][/color]

Jeff Sessions: YEA

John McCain: YEA

Kelly Ayotte: YEA

Rand Paul: YEA

Marco Rubio: YEA

Rob Portman: YEA

Richard Burr: YEA

Ron Johnson: YEA

Pat Toomey: YEA

Tom Cotton: YEA

Bob Corker: YEA

Orrin Hatch: YEA

Tim Scott: YEA

John Cornyn: YEA

Chris Christie: YEA

Paul LePage: YEA

Nikki Haley: YEA

Pete Ricketts: YEA

Mike Pence: YEA

Pat McCrory: YEA

Scott Walker: YEA

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 04:57:47 PM
Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

Donald is good friends with Hillary.  Ivanka is very good friends with Chelsea.  Donald has been friends with Hillary for a long time.  He also thought she did a terrific job as SoS.

Only a liberal would think Hillary did a good job.

Bob Dole: Retired and out of the game so he can afford to.

John Boehner: Retired and out of the game do he can afford to.

Trent Lott: Same as above

Dick Cheney: Attacked Trump during the primary on the Iraq war.

Reince Preibus: Got into it with Trump over the primary rules and toning down his retoric.

Newt Gingrich: Not establishment.

Rick Perry: Hates Trump. Called him a "cancer on conservatism".

Mike Huckabee: Not establishment (but not that conservative either).

Bobby Jindal: Hates Trump. Backed Marco Rubio.

Eric Cantor: Hates Trump. Demonized him over Obama birth certificate in 2012.

Ben Carson: Farthest from establishment as you can get!

Rick Santorum: Not establishment. Had delegate stolen from him and given to Romney in 2012. Backed Marco Rubio.

Herman Cain: You're the first person in my whole life that I've met that think Herman Cain is establishment.

Donald Rumsfeld: Stayed neutral during primary.

Paul Ryan: Absolutely, positively HATES Trump. He has endorsed him but is still taking left-wing style shots at him whenever he can (to help Hillary no doubt). Ryan only verbally endorses him because he has to for party unity because of his position as speaker.

Kevin McCarthy: Hates Trump.

Steve Scalise: Hates Trump.

Cathy McMorris Rodgers: Hates Trump.

Raul Labrador: Hates Trump.

Mitch McConnell: Months ago announces formally that he will run attack ads AGAINST Trump in the general election to- as he says- "protect the Senate majority" against Trump.

Jeff Sessions: Probably the most conservative senator there is. If you thinkSessions is establishment then you don't  know with the establishment is.

John McCain: Hates Trump. Got into very nasty fight with him when he first got in the race.

Kelly Ayotte: Hates Trump.

Rand Paul: Really hates Trump.

Marco Rubio: Is running for his old Senate seat "to be a check on both Hillary and Trump". Hates Trump too!

Rob Portman: Hates Trump.

Richard Burr: Hates both Trump and Cruz.

Ron Johnson: Not sure

Pat Toomey: Not sure

Tom Cotton: One of the few Washington Repubs who supported Trump.

Bob Corker: Neutral during the primary but was on- now has "removed himself"- from Trump's VP list.

Orrin Hatch: Hates Trump.

Tim Scott: Publically opposed Trump and held meeting with Repub professionals and politicians to figure out what to do about Trump.

John Cornyn: Stayed neutral.

Chris Christie: You're right about this one. Christie supported Trump and is on his VP list.

Paul LePage: Don't know about him.

Nikki Haley: Seriously? She compared Trump's rhetoric to the Charleston church shooting. She attacked Chris Christie for endorsing Trump. Tried to warn the voters not to follow Trump's "angry voice" (still said she considers Trump a friend). For you to think that Nicki Haley politically backed Donald Trump means you've been living in a cave for at least a year. Probably longer.

Pete Ricketts: Not sure.

Mike Pence: Neutral during primary but on Trump VP list. Maybe your right about this one.

Pat McCrory: Not sure

Scott Walker: After he dropped out of the race he encouraged the party to find an alternative to Trump.

I want you to go around and ask any informed person that you know whether or no the vast majority of the Republican politicians wanted Donald Trump as the party nominee or if the they think the party establishment was ever in favor of Trump. Go on. Ask them.

There are 3.75 forces at work. Republicans that will support the republican nominee no matter what, Conservative republicans and conservatives in general who will only support a true conservative republican, democrats that will always support the democrat nominee and a very small number of liberals that will not support the democrat nominee because she is isn't socialist enough.

The system is breaking down. Liberals are tired of not having Havana as the US capital and conservatives are tired of the constitution being shit on by both parties. So most conservatives have abandoned the establishment while some liberals have raged against the democratic machine.
Hillary has always been a democrat. The type of democrat she is depends on the health of her campaign. Donald Trump has been a republican for less time than Howard Dean was a viable candidate. And Trump actually has a neck whereas Dean looks like a hammerhead shark. It's hard for any true conservative to believe Trump is one of them since he has been the exact opposite right up until he decided to run for president.
Actions speak louder than words and Trump's sudden conservative values cannot be judged until he is president. However after decades of gutless limp wristed RINOS you can't blame the conservatives for not taking the chance.

The establishment is crumbling. That is a good thing for the GOP. The Democrats are just naturally evolving into Fahrenheit 451.

Quote from: taxed on July 06, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
Donald is good friends with Hillary.  Ivanka is very good friends with Chelsea.  Donald has been friends with Hillary for a long time.  He also thought she did a terrific job as SoS.

Only a liberal would think Hillary did a good job.

So is the whole Bush family. Why doesn't Trump get treated like royalty by the GOP the same way the Bushes do and get back with the full support with of the GOP the way that Jeb did?

The answer to your question about Trump winning NY is that they are primary voters which make up a fraction of the general election vote and Trump had to spit his vote between Kasich and Cruz where Hillary only split hers with Bernie.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 06, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
There are 3.75 forces at work. Republicans that will support the republican nominee no matter what, Conservative republicans and conservatives in general who will only support a true conservative republican, democrats that will always support the democrat nominee and a very small number of liberals that will not support the democrat nominee because she is isn't socialist enough.

The system is breaking down. Liberals are tired of not having Havana as the US capital and conservatives are tired of the constitution being shit on by both parties. So most conservatives have abandoned the establishment while some liberals have raged against the democratic machine.
Hillary has always been a democrat. The type of democrat she is depends on the health of her campaign. Donald Trump has been a republican for less time than Howard Dean was a viable candidate. And Trump actually has a neck whereas Dean looks like a hammerhead shark. It's hard for any true conservative to believe Trump is one of them since he has been the exact opposite right up until he decided to run for president.
Actions speak louder than words and Trump's sudden conservative values cannot be judged until he is president. However after decades of gutless limp wristed RINOS you can't blame the conservatives for not taking the chance.

The establishment is crumbling. That is a good thing for the GOP. The Democrats are just naturally evolving into Fahrenheit 451.

But no one has proven Trump's claim invalid- that he acted like a Democrat or whatever else he's had to be in order to conduct his business.

If Trumps such a Democrat then why didn't he run as one?

And if he's a Democrat with an R after his name why doesn't the old guard GOP establishment embrace him?

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:37:54 PM
But no one has proven Trump's claim invalid- that he acted like a Democrat or whatever else he's had to be in order to conduct his business.

Trump's own words. Has he not supported democrat policies?

I

Quotef Trumps such a Democrat then why didn't he run as one?

Only Trump can truly explain that but based on his own words, opportunity.

QuoteAnd if he's a Democrat with an R after his name why doesn't the old guard GOP establishment embrace him?

He can't be controlled. Whether a democrat or a republican he is a loose canon.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 04:57:47 PM


Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

I don't see any evidence that any one is afraid of trump.. Conservatives despise him. I will not vote for him, it is not due to being "scared" I think he is a damn liberal just like hillery. The only difference between the two is hillery has a bigger set. 

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

With such a pitiful number of empty posts --- in support of a loser who knows it before the election --- why are you projecting your many flaws on your betters, ripping into your own stupidity?

Have a new avatar. You won't be needing it here very long.

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Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:05:07 PM
Bob Dole: Retired and out of the game so he can afford to.

Irrelevant, he still holds power as a King maker.

QuoteJohn Boehner: Retired and out of the game do he can afford to.

Same for Boner, and he didn't retire, we kicked his ass and the Establishment forced him out, out of fear.

QuoteTrent Lott: Same as above

Same

QuoteDick Cheney: Attacked Trump during the primary on the Iraq war.

Reince Preibus: Got into it with Trump over the primary rules and toning down his retoric.

Yet here they are supporting the lib.

QuoteNewt Gingrich: Not establishment.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, I'll be blunt, you're a dumb ass!
He aligned with Fuglosi to battle AGW, something only an Establishment hack would do.

QuoteRick Perry: Hates Trump. Called him a "cancer on conservatism".

Yet supports the lib...

QuoteMike Huckabee: Not establishment (but not that conservative either).

True, he's really just an idiot lib.

QuoteBobby Jindal: Hates Trump. Backed Marco Rubio.

Jindal threw away his TEA credentials when he backed the Lib.

QuoteEric Cantor: Hates Trump. Demonized him over Obama birth certificate in 2012.

You really aren't seeing a pattern here, are you?

QuoteBen Carson: Farthest from establishment as you can get!

Carson has absolutely no place in politics, I said it from day one the guy is a squishy.

QuoteRick Santorum: Not establishment. Had delegate stolen from him and given to Romney in 2012. Backed Marco Rubio.

So in your mind, backing Rubio proves that they're not Establishment? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

QuoteHerman Cain: You're the first person in my whole life that I've met that think Herman Cain is establishment.

Proves what a protected life you lead.

QuoteDonald Rumsfeld: Stayed neutral during primary.

More irrelevancies, he now supports the NY lib, which proves he's a sellout to the Establishment.

QuotePaul Ryan: Absolutely, positively HATES Trump. He has endorsed him but is still taking left-wing style shots at him whenever he can (to help Hillary no doubt). Ryan only verbally endorses him because he has to for party unity because of his position as speaker.

And still you can't connect the dots?

QuoteKevin McCarthy: Hates Trump.

Steve Scalise: Hates Trump.

Cathy McMorris Rodgers: Hates Trump.

Raul Labrador: Hates Trump.

Jeeeez, and what do they all have in common? ....wait for it......Establishment whores!!!

QuoteMitch McConnell: Months ago announces formally that he will run attack ads AGAINST Trump in the general election to- as he says- "protect the Senate majority" against Trump.

Instead, he attcaked Cruz and now backs Trump. McCONnel is the Conservatives biggest enemy in the party!

QuoteJeff Sessions: Probably the most conservative senator there is. If you thinkSessions is establishment then you don't  know with the establishment is.

Wake up Lib, Sessions has an 80% CR rating, which puts him squarely in Establishment territory.

John McCain: Hates Trump. Got into very nasty fight with him when he first got in the race.

QuoteKelly Ayotte: Hates Trump.

Rand Paul: Really hates Trump.

And both sold out TEA. Wake up, this lesson isn't over!

QuoteMarco Rubio: Is running for his old Senate seat "to be a check on both Hillary and Trump". Hates Trump too!

Your point? Rubio is an Establishment whore, as evidenced by his selling out of Fl TEA to get elected, and instantly joining Schumer's Gang to promote Illegal Amnesty for the left, or rather Establishment.
God, were you born yesterday?

QuoteRob Portman: Hates Trump.

Richard Burr: Hates both Trump and Cruz.

Ron Johnson: Not sure

Pat Toomey: Not sure

Tom Cotton: One of the few Washington Repubs who supported Trump.

Bob Corker: Neutral during the primary but was on- now has "removed himself"- from Trump's VP list.

Orrin Hatch: Hates Trump.

Tim Scott: Publically opposed Trump and held meeting with Repub professionals and politicians to figure out what to do about Trump.

John Cornyn: Stayed neutral.

And once again, their common thread is what? Come on, you can do it...

QuoteChris Christie: You're right about this one. Christie supported Trump and is on his VP list.

Paul LePage: Don't know about him.

Establishment hacks...

Nikki Haley: Seriously? She compared Trump's rhetoric to the Charleston church shooting. She attacked Chris Christie for endorsing Trump. Tried to warn the voters not to follow Trump's "angry voice" (still said she considers Trump a friend). For you to think that Nicki Haley politically backed Donald Trump means you've been living in a cave for at least a year. Probably longer.
Who's asleep?
Gov. Nikki Haley will support Donald Trump http://www.wistv.com/story/31892881/gov-nikki-haley-will-support-donald-trump-but-no-thanks-on-vp-nod

QuotePete Ricketts: Not sure.

Mike Pence: Neutral during primary but on Trump VP list. Maybe your right about this one.

Pat McCrory: Not sure

Yep, all Establishment/GOP'e whores.

QuoteScott Walker: After he dropped out of the race he encouraged the party to find an alternative to Trump.

Walker is no Conservative, never has been.

QuoteI want you to go around and ask any informed person that you know whether or no the vast majority of the Republican politicians wanted Donald Trump as the party nominee or if the they think the party establishment was ever in favor of Trump. Go on. Ask them.

Is that all you have for rebuttal?
The Establishment wanted Jebbers, and when it became clear the base wanted no part of the RINO, they caved to Rubio the kid, and when that failed, did they back Cruz?
Oh Hell no, they ran to Murdoch and he told Handytitty that FOX would be backing Trump over the Constitutional Conservative.
Yes, these are the facts, but you, as a Trumpanzee are running purely on emotion and failed to see what was taking place.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:28:58 PM
So is the whole Bush family. Why doesn't Trump get treated like royalty by the GOP the same way the Bushes do and get back with the full support with of the GOP the way that Jeb did?

Wow, you still don't get it do you?

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:37:54 PM
But no one has proven Trump's claim invalid- that he acted like a Democrat or whatever else he's had to be in order to conduct his business.

If Trumps such a Democrat then why didn't he run as one?

You're asking the right question, yet fail to see the obvious, which is, he's a Dim plant to get Clinton elected.

Quote
And if he's a Democrat with an R after his name why doesn't the old guard GOP establishment embrace him?

As Boo stated, he's not a good choice, but being libs themselves, the Establishment are finally in full support of the NY, admitted Lib.

Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2016, 06:35:17 AM
Irrelevant, he still holds power as a King maker.
Same for Boner, and he didn't retire, we kicked his ass and the Establishment forced him out, out of fear.
SameYet here they are supporting the lib.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, I'll be blunt, you're a dumb ass!
He aligned with Fuglosi to battle AGW, something only an Establishment hack would do.
Yet supports the lib...

True, he's really just an idiot lib.
Jindal threw away his TEA credentials when he backed the Lib.
You really aren't seeing a pattern here, are you?
Carson has absolutely no place in politics, I said it from day one the guy is a squishy.
So in your mind, backing Rubio proves that they're not Establishment? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Proves what a protected life you lead.
More irrelevancies, he now supports the NY lib, which proves he's a sellout to the Establishment.
And still you can't connect the dots?
Jeeeez, and what do they all have in common? ....wait for it......Establishment whores!!!
Instead, he attcaked Cruz and now backs Trump. McCONnel is the Conservatives biggest enemy in the party!
Wake up Lib, Sessions has an 80% CR rating, which puts him squarely in Establishment territory.

John McCain: Hates Trump. Got into very nasty fight with him when he first got in the race.
And both sold out TEA. Wake up, this lesson isn't over!
Your point? Rubio is an Establishment whore, as evidenced by his selling out of Fl TEA to get elected, and instantly joining Schumer's Gang to promote Illegal Amnesty for the left, or rather Establishment.
God, were you born yesterday?
And once again, their common thread is what? Come on, you can do it...
Establishment hacks...

Nikki Haley: Seriously? She compared Trump's rhetoric to the Charleston church shooting. She attacked Chris Christie for endorsing Trump. Tried to warn the voters not to follow Trump's "angry voice" (still said she considers Trump a friend). For you to think that Nicki Haley politically backed Donald Trump means you've been living in a cave for at least a year. Probably longer.
Who's asleep?
Gov. Nikki Haley will support Donald Trump http://www.wistv.com/story/31892881/gov-nikki-haley-will-support-donald-trump-but-no-thanks-on-vp-nod
Yep, all Establishment/GOP'e whores.
Walker is no Conservative, never has been.
Is that all you have for rebuttal?
The Establishment wanted Jebbers, and when it became clear the base wanted no part of the RINO, they caved to Rubio the kid, and when that failed, did they back Cruz?
Oh Hell no, they ran to Murdoch and he told Handytitty that FOX would be backing Trump over the Constitutional Conservative.
Yes, these are the facts, but you, as a Trumpanzee are running purely on emotion and failed to see what was taking place.

I'M TALKING ABOUT DURING THE PRIMARY YOU DUMB FUCK !!!!!! OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO ENDORSE HIM NOW BECAUSE HE'S THE PRIMARY WINNER AND THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE!!!!!

The whole thing about Murdoch saying FOX was going to back over Cruz to Hannity (not Handytitty- that's you) I think you made up out of thin air. Murdoch is a pro amnesty left who hates Trump for saying he's going to deport all illegals.

Let me repost what I wrote earlier:

All the unbound delegates went to Cruz when he was Trump's last serious opponent including every single one of Colorado's delegates because they don't have a primary- all of the deletgates are picked by the state party bosses- and they unanimously selected Cruz.

Controversy erupted in Louisiana when after Trump had already won Louisiana, the state party boses there stole a number of delegates away from Trump and switched them to Cruz.

During the primary, Mitt Romney held a special press conference to blast Trump- calling him a "phony! A fraud!" and then recommended to voters before Super Tuesday night "I would vote for Ted Cruz in Kansas. Jon Kasich in Ohio. Marco Rubio in Florida."

Paul Ryan came out and directly attack Trump on multiple occasions- especially after Trump announced his muslim ban at a campaign rally with Ryan exclaiming on the House floor " This is not conservativism!" "This is not conservativism!"  He's also accused Trump of "Textbook rasicsm" in his criticism of the Latino supremist judge overseeing the Trump University case.

Mitch McConnell has plans underway to run ads against Trump to -as he claims- "protect the Senate" from supposed bad political fallout from Trump.

Ever since Trump won the primary and became the presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney has held many meetings out in Utah with Paul Ryan, Reince Preibus, and top GOP donors and party officials. The topic- what to do about Trump.

National Review came out with a hit issue (not a hit piece- an entire hit ISSUE) feature turncoat "conservatives" who are against Trump. (That was the the headline of the issue).

Bill Kristol gathered a petition of NeoCons and so-called "conservatives" to put up David French as a third party so-called "conservative" alternative to Trump. It came apart when French refused.

To date the are still ongoing plots by Romney, the 'Delegates Unbound' PAC, and others in the GOP establishment that are trying to stop Trump at the convention at Cleveland.

You will not find any media outlet either left or right that would even entertain the notion that the GOP establishment wing of the party supported Donald Trump AT ANY POINT during the GOP presidential primary. Ditto with any professional pundit left or right.ALL OF THEM WOULD LAUGH YOU OUT OF ROOM FOR EVEN SUGGESTING SUCH A THING!!!!!!THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY THAN HAVE TRUMP THEY HATE HIM SO BAD!!!!!

The only reason you guys are trying desperately make up in your imaginations that ever backed Trump at any point during the primary is that he's this flaming closet lib/leftist/Democrat therefore he simply MUST be Establishment. Now don't get me wrong, they totally hate Cruz for not only being a conservative and standing up for it. But in the last months when it came down to Cruz versus Trump; they held their noses and decided to back Cruz as a last effort to try and stop Trump. Most of them are falling in line and backing Trump now because he is the winner and presumptive nominee and they have no choice.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

I have already raised my children and have several grandkids to teach. No time for more uneducated kids.

Quote from: Double D on July 07, 2016, 09:32:10 AM
I have already raised my children and have several grandkids to teach. No time for more uneducated kids.

Welcome to TFields world.

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Quote from: Double D on July 07, 2016, 09:32:10 AM
I have already raised my children and have several grandkids to teach. No time for more uneducated kids.

Then you need to learn how to respond with something else besides insults just because someone supports Trump. As I said earlier, this is the kind of behavior I expect from the Neo-Nazi radical left- not from self confessed 'conservatives'

Quote from: s3779m on July 07, 2016, 12:08:19 AM
I don't see any evidence that any one is afraid of trump.. Conservatives despise him. I will not vote for him, it is not due to being "scared" I think he is a damn liberal just like hillery. The only difference between the two is hillery has a bigger set.

Then you weren't following the primary.

Quote from: walkstall on July 07, 2016, 09:42:46 AM

Welcome to TFields world.

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Your confusing my world with the NeverTrump world. That's their
reaction to this day because the their precious Goldman Sachs TPP televangelist lost to a superior campaign.

Now they go around spewing hate-filled insults to anyone who supported Trump and then claim what good 'Christians' they are.

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 10:08:58 AM
Your confusing my world with the NeverTrump world. That there reaction to this day because the their previous Goldman Sachs TPP televangelist lost to a superior campaign.

Now they go around spewing hate-filled insults to anyone who supported Trump and then claim what good 'Christians' they are.

Your trolling has been very boring from your first post.
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Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 07, 2016, 12:01:51 AM
Trump's own words. Has he not supported democrat policies?

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Only Trump can truly explain that but based on his own words, opportunity.

He can't be controlled. Whether a democrat or a republican he is a loose canon.

Trump supported whatever he had to conduct his business as he's said numerous times. He told Jeb Bush at the debate "That was my job! To get along with people!" He also gave money to as many Republicans as he did Democrats including Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

You're right that he can't be controlled, but if he were establishment he wouldn't need to be because he would just fall in and be eager to play ball with them and so wouldn't need to be controlled. What he is is a high ranking, highly capable insider that rebelled and went rogue. That's why the establishment is so terrified of him because he's their worst nightmare come true.

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 08:55:21 AM
I'M TALKING ABOUT DURING THE PRIMARY YOU DUMB FUCK !!!!!! OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO ENDORSE HIM NOW BECAUSE HE'S THE PRIMARY WINNER AND THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE!!!!!

So lets see, you claim the Establishment was backing Cruz, and I prove you completely wrong, primary or otherwise, that the Establishment is backing Trump, and never once backed Cruz, and I'm the dumb fuck?
Obviously you don't deal with with being proven wrong, or you wouldn't resort to name calling, hey, but thanks for making my case. :biggrin:

QuoteThe whole thing about Murdoch saying FOX was going to back over Cruz to Hannity

Say what?

Quote(not Handytitty- that's you) I think you made up out of thin air. Murdoch is a pro amnesty left who hates Trump for saying he's going to deport all illegals.

And as usual, you've not been paying attention! Trump is not deporting anyone but criminals.

QuoteTrump would not say how he would locate, round up and deport the 11 million undocumented immigrants he says must go. Instead, he deflected, saying that while it may be a task too tall for politicians, it isn't for a business mogul like himself.
"Politicians aren't going to find them because they have no clue. We will find them, we will get them out," Trump said. "It's feasible if you know how to manage. Politicians don't know how to manage."
And when asked about whether he would deport undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, Trump fumbled and said, unsure, that "it's a tough situation" and "it depends."
Trump was unequivocal, though, that a Trump administration would immediately deport undocumented criminals living freely and in American jails.
"We have a lot of bad dudes, as I said. We have a lot of really bad people here," Trump said. "I want to get the bad ones out...And by the way, they're never coming back."

But he was also unwavering in his insistence that many of the undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are positive additions to the country and should be allowed to live in the U.S. legally -- of course, only after being expelled and then brought back in through Trump's "expedited process" for legal status.
"We have to make sure they were exemplary, they were wonderful people when they were here. They worked hard, there was no problem," he said. "We have to bring great people into this country. OK? And I want to bring -- I love the idea of immigration. But it's got to be legal immigration."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/index.html

"expedited process"? As I posted in another thread, that process does not involve leaving the country, but what it does do, is give those that broke the law a cut in line ahead of those following the law in becoming legal citizens.
But you keep lying to yourself that his early campaign promises were written in stone,. like the lie about a wall, or even claiming Mexico would pay for it.
Are really so gullible as to believe all his lies?
Consider this, he actually lied about Hussein deporting illegals, something we all know to never happen, eg. sanctuary cities.

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Quote from: walkstall on July 07, 2016, 10:13:09 AM

Your trolling has been very boring from your first post.
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From my very first pits you guys trolled me for being a Trump supporter.

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
From my very first pits you guys trolled me for being a Trump supporter.

Dose that tell you anything.  You have been shilling from your very first post as a.... 

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Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 10:00:04 AM
Then you weren't following the primary.

Why would anyone be afraid of an orange buffoon?

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
From my very first pits you guys trolled me for being a Trump supporter.

Don't take it personally.  We make fun of all types of idiots, especially you liberals.  I will confess, your kind are the most fun to make fun of; people claiming to be conservative, yet supporting a draft dodging scam artist who managed to stay alive because of daddy's inheritance.

Many of us normal people don't have your daddy issues, so we don't fall in line to someone just because they say they have a big penis and talks authoritatively.  We can spot a scam artist a mile away.  To give you an example of exactly what it's like for us normal people talking to people like yourself, think about a friend or relative who tells you they're about to wire money to a prince in Nigeria who sent them an email.  You know it's a scam, but you quickly realize that person just doesn't have the intellect to understand this.  It's the same for you Trumpers.  You just don't have the life experiences to know what you're voting for.  This makes you prime target for a scam artist like Trump.  That's why he was able to bilk so many people with his fake university.  Dumb people feed scam artists.

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
From my very first pits you guys trolled me for being a Trump supporter.

Proofread, you moron. That or admit your posts are the....

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
Trump supported whatever he had to conduct his business as he's said numerous times. He told Jeb Bush at the debate "That was my job! To get along with people!" He also gave money to as many Republicans as he did Democrats including Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

That makes no sense. Having liberal positions does not hep his businesses.

QuoteYou're right that he can't be controlled, but if he were establishment he wouldn't need to be because he would just fall in and be eager to play ball with them and so wouldn't need to be controlled. What he is is a high ranking, highly capable insider that rebelled and went rogue. That's why the establishment is so terrified of him because he's their worst nightmare come true.

So he isn't establishment but is an insider.

LOL

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

I suggest you get a grip on your emotions. If you can't act like an adult, then you'll be treated like the young Millennial you are, and put in timeout.
If that doesn't suffice, you'll be removed altogether.

Quote from: TFields on July 07, 2016, 08:55:21 AM
I'M TALKING ABOUT DURING THE PRIMARY YOU DUMB FUCK !!!!!! OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO ENDORSE HIM NOW BECAUSE HE'S THE PRIMARY WINNER AND THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE!!!!!

The whole thing about Murdoch saying FOX was going to back over Cruz to Hannity (not Handytitty- that's you) I think you made up out of thin air. Murdoch is a pro amnesty left who hates Trump for saying he's going to deport all illegals.

Wow...for being a 'Newbie' you sure have a lot of gull to be so bombastic; typical though of a Trumpster!

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 08, 2016, 02:42:45 PM
Wow...for being a 'Newbie' you sure have a lot of gull to be so bombastic; typical though of a Trumpster!

Like most Bernie and Trump supporters, he has some serious daddy issues.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 08, 2016, 02:42:45 PM
Wow...for being a 'Newbie' you sure have a lot of gull to be so bombastic; typical though of a Trumpster!

He's a Hillary plant.   It's easy to see the way he represents Trump is so negative, he's actually encouraging people to vote for the other Democrat, Hillary.  Quite a deal for Hillary, he's probably not on her payroll, and you know the saying, 'Why buy the cow when you're getting free milk?'  He's getting folks so pissed off at Donald Trump, they'll never vote for him.

If he was serious about Trump, he'd stop criticizing TEA and start trying to win support.  But, like a typical argumentative youngster, he's determined to 'win the argument at all costs' - even if it completely backfires on him - he's more satisfied being the last-man-standing, than making a single convert for Trump.