What's that old saying about "counting your chickens before they hatch"?

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 28, 2010, 04:13:02 PM
What's that old saying about "counting your chickens before they hatch"?

It sounds to me that their liberal chickens......are coming home.........to roost.

   I know you guys are all enthusiastic and pumped up about the teaparty and its upcoming influence to stop the madness in congress...but I dont see that happening, not enough of them, especially in the house. Hopefully they can change the discussion and keep bringing up their view and not get drowned out.
   If the teaparty pushs for things that MOST americans dont want, they will become viewed with disdain eventually just like the gestapo democrat congress. Most of america does not like the far left or the far right.
   Teaparty candidates have to be very careful not to give the impression they are just for the wealthy  and trying to take the tax burden off the rich...if america gets that impression they are toast....the rich are a minority in this country that pays most of the bills and unfortunately heaped upon with envy. Giving the fed govt 50% of what you make then giving another 20% or so in state taxs and fees just sucks and is criminal.
   I know taxed is going to be pissed at me lol..but most of the teaparty are not involved in the teaparty for the same reasons the fiscal conservatives are they are in it cuz they hate the left and obama and especially Pelosi and her congress that rammed health care down everyones throat while glaring and leering and laughing at them... when shes gone alot of the teapartiers are going to calm down and sit back, just my opinion...I dont think they are going to have this long lasting ability or numbers to change the flavor of congress or america.....Ok now you all may beat me up and tell me what a moron I am...:)
   

Quote from: Dan on October 28, 2010, 11:29:10 AM
It's a question of numbers and will. The old guard on the conservative wing is people like DeMint, Coburn and Vitter. The new blood will likely be Miller, Buck, Toomey, Rubio, Paul, Lee and probably a few more I am missing. I could easily see these guys with a solid core of 14-16 Senators and probably another 10-12 that will float in and out on specific issues. With that sort of cohesion and common cause I think they could be a force. Basically McConnell won't be able to get anything through without these guys.

Also refer to my point about how they are already targeting Snowe, Luger and Hatch. If we are able to intimidate some establishment guys into acting like conservatives and voting like conservatives for the sake of self preservation then that will be an obvious force multiplier.  ;)

I didn't realize they're targeting Snowe, etc.  However, I hope those targeting her and the others are from the state which the Congresspeople represent.  They're elected by the people of their state, and those are the people who have some sort of influence with them.  Somehow I can't see much of a Tea Party constituency in Maine or wherever Snow is from.  Hopefullyl, I'm wrong.

Quote from: crepe05 on October 29, 2010, 02:48:31 AM
I didn't realize they're targeting Snowe, etc.  However, I hope those targeting her and the others are from the state which the Congresspeople represent.  They're elected by the people of their state, and those are the people who have some sort of influence with them.  Somehow I can't see much of a Tea Party constituency in Maine or wherever Snow is from.  Hopefullyl, I'm wrong.

I don't know a ton about the Maine Tea Party, but I do know it's active and has been making some noise in statewide elections this cycle. I could be wrong, but I'm not expecting to see a repeat of Delaware. ;)

Quote from: zip on October 29, 2010, 01:33:16 AM
   I know you guys are all enthusiastic and pumped up about the teaparty and its upcoming influence to stop the madness in congress...but I dont see that happening, not enough of them, especially in the house. Hopefully they can change the discussion and keep bringing up their view and not get drowned out.

What happens if a block of 100 or so guys in congress tell the Repbulican Speaker that they will not vote for a compromise bill that gives Obama 50% of what he wants along the lines of stilted tax rates, expansion of government or raising the debt ceiling. Heck, for that matter I don't know how someone is going to get elected speaker without the support of these guys. Don't underestimate what they will do.

Also think about 10-15 like minded guys behind DeMint and Coburn and Vitter in the Senate. McConnell won't be able to do much without the support of these guys.

And another thing to remember is that most of the Tea Party guys aren't looking to make a career of this. So compromise for the sake of holding onto power shouldn't mean the same thing to these guys. And if it does, then we'll fire their sorry asses too.

   I hope your right but where is that 100 number coming from in the house

Quote from: zip on October 29, 2010, 07:40:17 AM
   I hope your right but where is that 100 number coming from in the house

There are probably 60 strongly fiscal conservatives in the house republican caucuss. And if we add another 60 republicans this go around, then probably 2/3 of that number will view themselves as having a mandate to be fiscally conservative. Just a ballpark guess. Actually the number might be a little higher if we get a few born again fiscal conservative converts.  ;)

Quote from: crepe05 on October 29, 2010, 02:48:31 AM
I didn't realize they're targeting Snowe, etc.  However, I hope those targeting her and the others are from the state which the Congresspeople represent.  They're elected by the people of their state, and those are the people who have some sort of influence with them.  Somehow I can't see much of a Tea Party constituency in Maine or wherever Snow is from.  Hopefullyl, I'm wrong.

The Tea Party is very active in Maine.  Neither Snowe or Collins are running for re-election this year.  But the Republican candidate for Maine governor is winning by 10-12 points, the Democrat congresswoman in Maine (Pingree) could quite possibly lose to the Republican challenger (Scontras), and the Democrat congressman in Maine (Michaud) is also in a battle with the Republican challenger (Levesque).  Both REPUBLICAN Congressional candidates were endorsed by the most liberal newspaper in the northeast, next to the Boston Globe,  The Portland Press Herald. 

Maine has not had a Republican governor in a LONG time, and has not had a Republican Congressman in a LONG time.  The ONLY reason why Snowe and Collins are Maine's Senators are because they are both big-time RINOS.  They are both a DISGRACE.

Maine is in VERY bad shape economically.  Over 50,00 Mainers have lost their jobs since Obama took office, and we are talking about a very large state (area-wise) with a comparably very small population (1.3 million people).  There are only a half-dozen cities with populations over 20,000 people, so the population is very spread out.  People are trying to sell their homes and get the hell out of Maine.  The "brain drain" in Maine is incredible.

Maine is ranked as the most business UNFRIENDLY state in the United States.  The textile industry is GONE.  The shoe industry is GONE.  The paper industry is on a death watch.  The lumber industry is on life support.  Maine has been under liberal rule for DECADES, and this is the result. 

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 29, 2010, 08:56:30 AM

Maine is ranked as the most business UNFRIENDLY state in the United States.  The textile industry is GONE.  The shoe industry is GONE.  The paper industry is on a death watch.  The lumber industry is on life support.

Maine has been under liberal rule for DECADES, and this is the result.

That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.

Quote from: Shooterman on October 29, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the vast majority of these industries are/were concentrated in areas of the country that were controlled by Democrat/liberal state governments.

Quote from: Shooterman on October 29, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.

I think most who have saved 100,000.00$ by working, are looking for ways to save every dollar they can. 

Quote from: Shooterman on October 29, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.

Textile and Shoe industries are as you desribed. But not the paper industry. That is booming in other part's of the country.

Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
Textile and Shoe industries are as you desribed. But not the paper industry. That is booming in other part's of the country.

A lot of the paper industry has been outsourced to Canada, and the paper industry in the northeast has steadily gone downhill.  Same goes for the lumber industry.

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 29, 2010, 03:36:17 PM
A lot of the paper industry has been outsourced to Canada, and the paper industry in the northeast has steadily gone downhill.  Same goes for the lumber industry.
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It's the obtuse hypocrisy of the left. They make it difficult for business and then complain we don't give them enough of the profits and create enough jobs.