The Tea Party has already made a big impact on the Republican Party. That much is already fact. It has made the party more fiscally conservative and probably a little less focused on being socially conservative and I believe this will broaden it's appeal especially in places like the west and northeast.
The Tea Party will likely have a big impact on the national elections too as the Tea Party is given much of the credit for the turnout advantage the Republicans will enjoy this election cycle and much of their renewed enthusiasm too.
And the Tea Party will likely have a bigger impact on the next legislative cycle than anyone is anticipating. The new guys will make common cause with guys like Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn and David Vitter in the Senate and guys like Ryan and Cantor in the House to form a formidable bloc of within the Republican caucuss. If things go according to plan then they will be able to keep the Republicans focused on moves to restore fiscal sanity in DC. There is already talk of going after Republican incumbants like Snowe, Luger and Hatch in the 2012 election cycle if they don't change their ways so they might even be able to intimidate some establishment guys into acting like conservatives for a change.
But the real question to me is where do we go from here. Now predicting what a decenttralized grass roots movement will do is like herding cats. So I won't even try to say I know what will happen. But I will say what I hope will happen and what I think is very achievable. I would like to see the tea party take their energy and passion and mission of restoring fiscal sanity to local government. City, county and even school board races won by Tea Party advocates could help this country just as much as the national efforts. Think of all the fraud and waste and graft that happens at the local level. Think of all the mismanagment that could benefit from greater transparency, accountability and focus on efficiency. To me it's a logical next step. But then again it just might be wishful thinking on my part too. Let me know what you think.
The future of The Tea Party Movement is really going to be determined by what our elected Leaders do next! The Tea Party is a loosely associated network of conservative Americans who share common views centered around our being Taxed Enough Already and a desire for a smaller, less intrusive Federal Government (leaving more to the states and local governments and less to the overbloated bureauacracy which is our Federal Government). The Tea Party is not a political party. It's a grass roots political movement! Again, what becomes of this movement wiil be determined by what is done by oure elected officials after the midterm; The ball's in their court!
I guess I can't honestly see the Tea Party dying off before 2012, unless Obama totally reversed his actions and CHANGED his agenda to support lower taxes, limited government and preserving, protecting and defending our Constitution, as his oath requires of him. I think we'd have a better chance of seeing pigs fly, though; so the Tea Party Movement is destined to be a major force in the next election of a new POTUS!
Where does the Tea Party go from here? To the polls on November 2, 2010. First things first.
We're as motivated as a buck in rut!
If you read deep enough you will ferret out the fact that both Parties, the Neo-Marxists and the National Socialists are both deeply concerned over the question posed by the top post.
Will those newly elected with the help and financial support of the Tea parties have sufficient strength and cohesion to force one or both Parties to hold the line on spending and taxes?
Does the Tea Party Movement have sufficient support Nationwide to morph into a legitimate Third Party and become a threat to one or both of the establishment? This is the "main" question under review by both Parties.
How deep is the support of the Tea Movement and what is the measurement of anger of the general populace at the Incumbents and the Imperial Government in DC?
What steps can the Duopoly take to obstruct, delay and deny a Third Party to the Ballot Box in all 50 States?
Aren't the Neo-Marxists and National Socialist pretty much the same thing?
They certainly share a common belief that the nation ought to be ruled by Elite Oligarchs, who know best what the people their subjects really want and what the people their subjects really need!
Marxist and Socialist are have become merely synonyms for Communists! (I think one could argue that Stalin's version of Communism, as well as Mao's, Ho CHi Mihn's. Fidel Castor and Kim Jung Il's are virtullay National Socialism in the way the state ruthlessly control(led) their people!)
The Tea Party needs to launch a massive voter fraud investigation after next Tuesday, when the Communist Democrats steal several elections and retain control of the House and Senate, and win other elections they shouldn't have won.
Quote from: wally on October 28, 2010, 07:30:09 AM
I guess I can't honestly see the Tea Party dying off before 2012, unless Obama totally reversed his actions and CHANGED his agenda to support lower taxes, limited government and preserving, protecting and defending our Constitution, as his oath requires of him. I think we'd have a better chance of seeing pigs fly, though; so the Tea Party Movement is destined to be a major force in the next election of a new POTUS!
I agree. It's a spontaneous protest to Obama's overreach. But if could outlive Obama if the mission becomes one of fiscal discipline and accountability. But I would also like you to answer my question. Could you see the local Tea Party groups, at least some of them, morphing into organizations that also go after local issues within their communities? That could probably be a little more apolitical too.
I think the Tea Party movement will be a new check and balance to the politicians. It is driven by the passion for the country, so I think it will always churn and cleanse itself of imposters. It will have staying power because everyone will tie it to the oncoming onslaught.
Quote from: Pepe on October 28, 2010, 08:50:19 AMDoes the Tea Party Movement have sufficient support Nationwide to morph into a legitimate Third Party and become a threat to one or both of the establishment? This is the "main" question under review by both Parties.
It's a question of numbers and will. The old guard on the conservative wing is people like DeMint, Coburn and Vitter. The new blood will likely be Miller, Buck, Toomey, Rubio, Paul, Lee and probably a few more I am missing. I could easily see these guys with a solid core of 14-16 Senators and probably another 10-12 that will float in and out on specific issues. With that sort of cohesion and common cause I think they could be a force. Basically McConnell won't be able to get anything through without these guys.
Also refer to my point about how they are already targeting Snowe, Luger and Hatch. If we are able to intimidate some establishment guys into acting like conservatives and voting like conservatives for the sake of self preservation then that will be an obvious force multiplier. ;)
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 28, 2010, 09:50:30 AM
The Tea Party needs to launch a massive voter fraud investigation after next Tuesday, when the Communist Democrats steal several elections and retain control of the House and Senate, and win other elections they shouldn't have won.
I agree. There need to be LOTS of investigations starting on November 3. And if the justice department won't do it's job then the state attorney generals can do it for them. ;)
Quote from: taxed on October 28, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
I think the Tea Party movement will be a new check and balance to the politicians. It is driven by the passion for the country, so I think it will always churn and cleanse itself of imposters. It will have staying power because everyone will tie it to the oncoming onslaught.
Do you see it having an impact on local politics or do you think it will keep it's focus exclusively on national politics?
Quote from: Dan on October 28, 2010, 11:31:18 AM
Do you see it having an impact on local politics or do you think it will keep it's focus exclusively on national politics?
I think both. I think the people participating in it are engaged in local politics, by default.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 28, 2010, 09:50:30 AM
The Tea Party needs to launch a massive voter fraud investigation after next Tuesday, when the Communist Democrats steal several elections and retain control of the House and Senate, and win other elections they shouldn't have won.
I'm thinking that the new majority in The House of Representatives will begin investigations into this and many other Democrat "Dirty Tricks", along with Public Hearings exposingf just what the former majority party has been doing in the darkness of Nancy Pelosi's reign of terror!
Quote from: wally on October 28, 2010, 01:36:36 PM
I'm thinking that the new majority in The House of Representatives will begin investigations into this and many other Democrat "Dirty Tricks", along with Public Hearings exposingf just what the former majority party has been doing in the darkness of Nancy Pelosi's reign of terror!
You will learn to love the name "Daryl Issa". ;D
What's that old saying about "counting your chickens before they hatch"?
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 28, 2010, 04:13:02 PM
What's that old saying about "counting your chickens before they hatch"?
It sounds to me that their liberal chickens......are coming home.........to roost.
I know you guys are all enthusiastic and pumped up about the teaparty and its upcoming influence to stop the madness in congress...but I dont see that happening, not enough of them, especially in the house. Hopefully they can change the discussion and keep bringing up their view and not get drowned out.
If the teaparty pushs for things that MOST americans dont want, they will become viewed with disdain eventually just like the gestapo democrat congress. Most of america does not like the far left or the far right.
Teaparty candidates have to be very careful not to give the impression they are just for the wealthy and trying to take the tax burden off the rich...if america gets that impression they are toast....the rich are a minority in this country that pays most of the bills and unfortunately heaped upon with envy. Giving the fed govt 50% of what you make then giving another 20% or so in state taxs and fees just sucks and is criminal.
I know taxed is going to be pissed at me lol..but most of the teaparty are not involved in the teaparty for the same reasons the fiscal conservatives are they are in it cuz they hate the left and obama and especially Pelosi and her congress that rammed health care down everyones throat while glaring and leering and laughing at them... when shes gone alot of the teapartiers are going to calm down and sit back, just my opinion...I dont think they are going to have this long lasting ability or numbers to change the flavor of congress or america.....Ok now you all may beat me up and tell me what a moron I am...:)
Quote from: Dan on October 28, 2010, 11:29:10 AM
It's a question of numbers and will. The old guard on the conservative wing is people like DeMint, Coburn and Vitter. The new blood will likely be Miller, Buck, Toomey, Rubio, Paul, Lee and probably a few more I am missing. I could easily see these guys with a solid core of 14-16 Senators and probably another 10-12 that will float in and out on specific issues. With that sort of cohesion and common cause I think they could be a force. Basically McConnell won't be able to get anything through without these guys.
Also refer to my point about how they are already targeting Snowe, Luger and Hatch. If we are able to intimidate some establishment guys into acting like conservatives and voting like conservatives for the sake of self preservation then that will be an obvious force multiplier. ;)
I didn't realize they're targeting Snowe, etc. However, I hope those targeting her and the others are from the state which the Congresspeople represent. They're elected by the people of their state, and those are the people who have some sort of influence with them. Somehow I can't see much of a Tea Party constituency in Maine or wherever Snow is from. Hopefullyl, I'm wrong.
Quote from: crepe05 on October 29, 2010, 02:48:31 AM
I didn't realize they're targeting Snowe, etc. However, I hope those targeting her and the others are from the state which the Congresspeople represent. They're elected by the people of their state, and those are the people who have some sort of influence with them. Somehow I can't see much of a Tea Party constituency in Maine or wherever Snow is from. Hopefullyl, I'm wrong.
I don't know a ton about the Maine Tea Party, but I do know it's active and has been making some noise in statewide elections this cycle. I could be wrong, but I'm not expecting to see a repeat of Delaware. ;)
Quote from: zip on October 29, 2010, 01:33:16 AM
I know you guys are all enthusiastic and pumped up about the teaparty and its upcoming influence to stop the madness in congress...but I dont see that happening, not enough of them, especially in the house. Hopefully they can change the discussion and keep bringing up their view and not get drowned out.
What happens if a block of 100 or so guys in congress tell the Repbulican Speaker that they will not vote for a compromise bill that gives Obama 50% of what he wants along the lines of stilted tax rates, expansion of government or raising the debt ceiling. Heck, for that matter I don't know how someone is going to get elected speaker without the support of these guys. Don't underestimate what they will do.
Also think about 10-15 like minded guys behind DeMint and Coburn and Vitter in the Senate. McConnell won't be able to do much without the support of these guys.
And another thing to remember is that most of the Tea Party guys aren't looking to make a career of this. So compromise for the sake of holding onto power shouldn't mean the same thing to these guys. And if it does, then we'll fire their sorry asses too.
I hope your right but where is that 100 number coming from in the house
Quote from: zip on October 29, 2010, 07:40:17 AM
I hope your right but where is that 100 number coming from in the house
There are probably 60 strongly fiscal conservatives in the house republican caucuss. And if we add another 60 republicans this go around, then probably 2/3 of that number will view themselves as having a mandate to be fiscally conservative. Just a ballpark guess. Actually the number might be a little higher if we get a few born again fiscal conservative converts. ;)
Quote from: crepe05 on October 29, 2010, 02:48:31 AM
I didn't realize they're targeting Snowe, etc. However, I hope those targeting her and the others are from the state which the Congresspeople represent. They're elected by the people of their state, and those are the people who have some sort of influence with them. Somehow I can't see much of a Tea Party constituency in Maine or wherever Snow is from. Hopefullyl, I'm wrong.
The Tea Party is very active in Maine. Neither Snowe or Collins are running for re-election this year. But the Republican candidate for Maine governor is winning by 10-12 points, the Democrat congresswoman in Maine (Pingree) could quite possibly lose to the Republican challenger (Scontras), and the Democrat congressman in Maine (Michaud) is also in a battle with the Republican challenger (Levesque). Both REPUBLICAN Congressional candidates were endorsed by the most liberal newspaper in the northeast, next to the Boston Globe, The Portland Press Herald.
Maine has not had a Republican governor in a LONG time, and has not had a Republican Congressman in a LONG time. The ONLY reason why Snowe and Collins are Maine's Senators are because they are both big-time RINOS. They are both a DISGRACE.
Maine is in VERY bad shape economically. Over 50,00 Mainers have lost their jobs since Obama took office, and we are talking about a very large state (area-wise) with a comparably very small population (1.3 million people). There are only a half-dozen cities with populations over 20,000 people, so the population is very spread out. People are trying to sell their homes and get the hell out of Maine. The "brain drain" in Maine is incredible.
Maine is ranked as the most business UNFRIENDLY state in the United States. The textile industry is GONE. The shoe industry is GONE. The paper industry is on a death watch. The lumber industry is on life support. Maine has been under liberal rule for DECADES, and this is the result.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 29, 2010, 08:56:30 AM
Maine is ranked as the most business UNFRIENDLY state in the United States. The textile industry is GONE. The shoe industry is GONE. The paper industry is on a death watch. The lumber industry is on life support.
Maine has been under liberal rule for DECADES, and this is the result.
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.
Quote from: Shooterman on October 29, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the vast majority of these industries are/were concentrated in areas of the country that were controlled by Democrat/liberal state governments.
Quote from: Shooterman on October 29, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.
I think most who have saved 100,000.00$ by working, are looking for ways to save every dollar they can.
Quote from: Shooterman on October 29, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
That in bold is true in almost every part of the country. Those industries, as a rule, have all been outsourced. One can not particularly blame that on the liberals and necessarily believe in free trade.
Textile and Shoe industries are as you desribed. But not the paper industry. That is booming in other part's of the country.
Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
Textile and Shoe industries are as you desribed. But not the paper industry. That is booming in other part's of the country.
A lot of the paper industry has been outsourced to Canada, and the paper industry in the northeast has steadily gone downhill. Same goes for the lumber industry.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 29, 2010, 03:36:17 PM
A lot of the paper industry has been outsourced to Canada, and the paper industry in the northeast has steadily gone downhill. Same goes for the lumber industry.
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It's the obtuse hypocrisy of the left. They make it difficult for business and then complain we don't give them enough of the profits and create enough jobs.
Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2010, 04:16:35 PM
It's the obtuse hypocrisy of the left. They make it difficult for business and then complain we don't give them enough of the profits and create enough jobs.
The question is..........if acutely mentally ill people (i.e. all left wingnuts) believe that hypocrisy is a virtue, can they really be held responsible for what their scrambled brains and sub-room temperature IQs cause them to believe?
It's very sad that there are virtually MILLIONS of left wingnuts living in our society who are so obviously severely mentally ill and yet they go untreated.
Just as our intrepid federal government has presided over a "war on poverty" and a "war on drugs", maybe a "war on mental illness" is in order. Sickos like Obama and the Clintons and so many other moonbats could get the help they REALLY need.
:D
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on October 29, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
The question is..........if acutely mentally ill people (i.e. all left wingnuts) believe that hypocrisy is a virtue, can they really be held responsible for what their scrambled brains and sub-room temperature IQs cause them to believe?
It's very sad that there are virtually MILLIONS of left wingnuts living in our society who are so obviously severely mentally ill and yet they go untreated.
Just as our intrepid federal government has presided over a "war on poverty" and a "war on drugs", maybe a "war on mental illness" is in order. Sickos like Obama and the Clintons and so many other moonbats could get the help they REALLY need.
:D
The war on poverty failed. The war on drugs is failing. You can throw a trillion dollars at curing liberal mental illness, but since Dems are involved most of the money will vanish and the libs will still remain crazy, just living better.
Quote from: quiller on October 29, 2010, 06:10:42 PM
The war on poverty failed. The war on drugs is failing. You can throw a trillion dollars at curing liberal mental illness, but since Dems are involved most of the money will vanish and the libs will still remain crazy, just living better.
Ain't that all the truth! But we can "dare to dream", can't we? :))
AF I suggest we declare war on bloated, overarching government and the spirit of entitlement that animates it.