Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 01:22:58 PMOk, you'll call it political gamesmanship, and I'll call it appeasing the enemy when it serves a political purpose. So, we'll disagree. As for all the current political headlines,I fully expected them and anticipate much more like 'em in the future. This is what it's gonna take to show me DeSantis is no Scott Walker, so I welcome them.

We, see all this through a different political prism. You say DeSantis underplayed his hand, but I say, DeSantis can not only take a setback, but get back up fighting and strike a serious blow back. That's called having the courage of your convictions -keeping in the fight no matter what others think.

Disappointed that you'd think me someone who feels the need to 'go along to get along'. But you don't know me or what credo I live by. So I guess I shouldn't blame you.

There is no need to try to read between my lines. I'm not shy and will tend to say what I am thinking. I was all for DeSantis hitting disney right in the old tax pocket. Problem was, he did not do his homework, or anticipate the next move from them. It's ok, it was just Disney, not China, I guarantee he learned something. I still have hope for DeSantis in the future, maybe '28. 

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 01:06:29 PMIt wasn't a gotcha, I specifically asked you to prove the President said:

"Donald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney".



As to Disney, DeSantis got caught using politics/Govt in dealing Disney by threatening to build a state prison next to Walt Disney.

Disney pedo aside, is this how you want govt treating private businesses?
You're either for smaller Govt, or you're not. I hate what Disney has done as much as the next guy, but there are many more ways to deal with this shit than using govt as a weapon.

Again, no one said " the President said". I said it, because it's obvious. And there's a myriad of articles holding to that same opinion. 
"Pedo aside" is a non sequitur It's at the very core of why DeSantis took the action(s) he did.
  I think you'd better so some homework on what is or isn't constitutional in Fla. DeSantis is too knowledgeable & too conservative to govern like a leftist.  What he did was act within his boundaries to bitch-slap Disney financially. Guarantee it will help to discourage future corporate meddling through unwanted solicitations affecting the lives of Fla. families. 

DeSantis knows all too well that Govt. & Corporations have a fascist agenda.

Quote from: Possum on April 20, 2023, 01:37:34 PMThere is no need to try to read between my lines. I'm not shy and will tend to say what I am thinking. I was all for DeSantis hitting disney right in the old tax pocket. Problem was, he did not do his homework, or anticipate the next move from them. It's ok, it was just Disney, not China, I guarantee he learned something. I still have hope for DeSantis in the future, maybe '28. 

I think he did his home work. Due-diligence is when you know and respect the enemy's cunning enough to have a 2nd plan of action in place. I don't believe DeSantis was, or is worried about what Disney's next move is going to be. And no one knows better than DeSantis that there's probably no better corporate legal counsel on the planet than those that have Disney's interest. But, we shall see.

And sure "he learned something". And showed something too. He's a quick study, which is why I expect much of him. 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 02:41:42 PMI think he did his home work. Due-diligence is when you know and respect the enemy's cunning enough to have a 2nd plan of action in place. I don't believe DeSantis was, or is worried about what Disney's next move is going to be. And no one knows better than DeSantis that there's probably no better corporate legal counsel on the planet than those that have Disney's interest. But, we shall see.

And sure "he learned something". And showed something too. He's a quick study, which is why I expect much of him. 

If he is going to play on the world stage, he damn sure better be anticipating next moves. We have someone in the white house now who can't, and it is not turning out very well. "He learns from his mistakes" is not the best campaign slogan. I am surprised for someone who has been in politics for as along as he has, he did not see this coming. 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 02:12:32 PMAgain, no one said " the President said". I said it, because it's obvious. And there's a myriad of articles holding to that same opinion.

This is why I called you out. It was a blatant lie, and that will not stand on this forum.
In the future be sure and point out "IMO" that it is your belief. A shit load of people come to this forum so they can help formulate their own opinions, Based on Truths. Got it?
 

Quote"Pedo aside" is a non sequitur It's at the very core of why DeSantis took the action(s) he did.
  I think you'd better so some homework on what is or isn't constitutional in Fla. DeSantis is too knowledgeable & too conservative to govern like a leftist.

Being in Florida's Constitution doesn't necessarily make it Right, and just because he has a ton of lawyers finding loopholes, does not in anyway equate to Conservatism.

Hade you ever bothered to read the article I posted from 2019 about DeSantis, you'd actually know he's not a true Conservative. If anything, more of an Establishment opportunist.

QuoteWhat he did was act within his boundaries to bitch-slap Disney financially. Guarantee it will help to discourage future corporate meddling through unwanted solicitations affecting the lives of Fla. families. 

DeSantis knows all too well that Govt. & Corporations have a fascist agenda.

Yet using govt to attack business, is the literal definition of fascist!
I can do this all day!

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 04:13:26 PMI can do this all day!

Think we both can. But that's not why I come to this board.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 05:59:13 PMThink we both can. But that's not why I come to this board.

Then why did you come?
The idea is to put forth your best argument, explain why your ideas and methods are superior.

You see, I was actually born a Conservative, this isn't something I figured out later on in life. Free Mkt has always been my guide, small govt to protect my ventures, not inhibit them.
My values are grounded in Gods Law and the Laws of Natures God, basically like our founders saw it, no deviations.

But you want to claim business is fascist in its approach, while believing govt has the Right to Stifel business' you don't like.
That's literally antithetical to our Constitution.

I'm certain I'm Right.

Quote from: Solar on April 20, 2023, 06:39:53 PMThen why did you come?
The idea is to put forth your best argument, explain why your ideas and methods are superior.

You see, I was actually born a Conservative, this isn't something I figured out later on in life. Free Mkt has always been my guide, small govt to protect my ventures, not inhibit them.
My values are grounded in Gods Law and the Laws of Natures God, basically like our founders saw it, no deviations.

But you want to claim business is fascist in its approach, while believing govt has the Right to Stifel business' you don't like.
That's literally antithetical to our Constitution.

I'm certain I'm Right.

I've come because I'm familiar with this board, and know that this is one of the few places I'll get heart-felt passionate feedback from other patriots who know politics. But I've especially come to see if what and who I believe in stands up to the kind of scrutiny I know I'll get from resident posters here.

As for matters of govt. & business, a laissez faire policy is what brought this nation to industrial greatness,IMO. That's partly why Coolidge is one of my all time favorite presidents.
But many mega-corporations of today have crossed the boarders of capitalism and entered into the domain of corporatism. And that, the people or the politicians should never abide.
 

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 08:51:17 PMI've come because I'm familiar with this board, and know that this is one of the few places I'll get heart-felt passionate feedback from other patriots who know politics. But I've especially come to see if what and who I believe in stands up to the kind of scrutiny I know I'll get from resident posters here.

As for matters of govt. & business, a laissez faire policy is what brought this nation to industrial greatness,IMO. That's partly why Coolidge is one of my all time favorite presidents.
But many mega-corporations of today have crossed the boarders of capitalism and entered into the domain of corporatism. And that, the people or the politicians should never abide.
 

Can you give a couple of examples of what you are talking about? IMHO, disney, microsoft, are pure evil. Bud was just stupid.

Totally agree, I think, on the laissez-faire attitude. I think the evil started not when the government played watchdog, but when they started picking winners and losers.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 10:41:08 AMWould agree with that amendment.

But it begs another question. Why side with Disney & Anhauser Busch, who're clearly on the side of 'wokeism?'

Side with business over Govt? Who is for more Govt overreach of businesses...thats right, commie leftist rats. This is why I supported Trump over all else. He is a BUSINESSMAN & NOT a politician. I am sick and tired of POLITICIANS & Former Generals being the Presidential pool. As for the "Wokeism" we the people are taking care of that just fine, hitting these people in the pocket book.

Here is another little newsflash. These companies even the "woke" ones contribute to BOTH PARTIES there may be some disparities to favor the DEMS but they do contribute to GOP as well.  The Point DJT is trying to make is Fking with Disney TOO MUCH is hitting yourself in the head with a hammer they pay mega buck taxes and employ thousands losing that tax base is going to cost DeSantis more ways the one.

So go ahead and poke the golden goose with a stick once in awhile but dont chop off his head.

I reiterate, suggesting a prison next to what is still a family oriented theme park is enormously stupid.

Quote from: WMK on April 20, 2023, 08:51:17 PMI've come because I'm familiar with this board, and know that this is one of the few places I'll get heart-felt passionate feedback from other patriots who know politics. But I've especially come to see if what and who I believe in stands up to the kind of scrutiny I know I'll get from resident posters here.

As for matters of govt. & business, a laissez faire policy is what brought this nation to industrial greatness,IMO. That's partly why Coolidge is one of my all time favorite presidents.
But many mega-corporations of today have crossed the boarders of capitalism and entered into the domain of corporatism. And that, the people or the politicians should never abide.
 

It was for this reason the GOP stood so strong for mercantile, so as to protect industry from the evils of Governmental interference, taxes/laws etc. The Dims claimed to protect the little guy from industries abuse by use of govt power.
This process wandered from our Founders intended purpose early on, it was destined to fail.
In the early days this worked well but it pitted the merchant class against the people, but observers of history know quite well how their little scheme worked out and where we are today.

Now the entire system is rigged, Capitalism has been morphed into solid crony capitalism, where very wealthy entities have literally taken over global commerce while lining the pockets of Congress who do their bidding, in a move to takeover the world in the form of a new World Order.

Point is, no political party is going to save us, the future this evil entity has planned is clearly written.
First they need us pitted against one another after having destroyed our culture, then they come in as the only group who can save us from the mess they created. (Right out of the Marxist play book of "Divide and Conquer").

We are at THE Precipice, we either fight or die. This fight started by Trump requires a special leader, and the people know who that leader is.
So ask yourself why, the GOP is putting so much money into a competitor into the race?

I just showed you a slice of history and how both party's sold us out as a whole, yet you somehow believe the GOP still has our best interests in mind?

Please, give that some serious thought and put your emotion aside when viewing the two candidates and who their supporters are.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2023, 06:52:18 AMIt was for this reason the GOP stood so strong for mercantile, so as to protect industry from the evils of Governmental interference, taxes/laws etc. The Dims claimed to protect the little guy from industries abuse by use of govt power.
This process wandered from our Founders intended purpose early on, it was destined to fail.
In the early days this worked well but it pitted the merchant class against the people, but observers of history know quite well how their little scheme worked out and where we are today.

Now the entire system is rigged, Capitalism has been morphed into solid crony capitalism, where very wealthy entities have literally taken over global commerce while lining the pockets of Congress who do their bidding, in a move to takeover the world in the form of a new World Order.

Point is, no political party is going to save us, the future this evil entity has planned is clearly written.
First they need us pitted against one another after having destroyed our culture, then they come in as the only group who can save us from the mess they created. (Right out of the Marxist play book of "Divide and Conquer").

We are at THE Precipice, we either fight or die. This fight started by Trump requires a special leader, and the people know who that leader is.
So ask yourself why, the GOP is putting so much money into a competitor into the race?

I just showed you a slice of history and how both party's sold us out as a whole, yet you somehow believe the GOP still has our best interests in mind?

Please, give that some serious thought and put your emotion aside when viewing the two candidates and who their supporters are.

Sounds like we're on the same page as to where our political trajectory has been headed over the past few decades. And I too share the same sense of urgency as to how near we are to falling into the proverbial abyss. Inevitably, revolt becomes the only real solution. 

At the Federal level, I've directed my share of diatribe at the treachery of the RINO, which, IMO, happens to encompass a great percentage of the GOP. So,that would take in most of our entire Federal government. However, even with such numbers, I still abide by a greater wisdom than mine, which tells me to judge a tree by the fruit it bears, before making a final decision.

In short order, one way or the other, I'm going to get my answer about DeSantis before I make that "final decision."

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 21, 2023, 06:48:20 AMSide with business over Govt? Who is for more Govt overreach of businesses...thats right, commie leftist rats. This is why I supported Trump over all else. He is a BUSINESSMAN & NOT a politician. I am sick and tired of POLITICIANS & Former Generals being the Presidential pool. As for the "Wokeism" we the people are taking care of that just fine, hitting these people in the pocket book.

Here is another little newsflash. These companies even the "woke" ones contribute to BOTH PARTIES there may be some disparities to favor the DEMS but they do contribute to GOP as well.  The Point DJT is trying to make is Fking with Disney TOO MUCH is hitting yourself in the head with a hammer they pay mega buck taxes and employ thousands losing that tax base is going to cost DeSantis more ways the one.

So go ahead and poke the golden goose with a stick once in awhile but dont chop off his head.

I reiterate, suggesting a prison next to what is still a family oriented theme park is enormously stupid.

'Overreach is the operative word here.'  What did the FLa. Executive & Legislative actually do that was "overreach?"  Zip, zero, Nadia. Everything they did was in their rightful power. That's how you deal with oligarchs - in the pocketbook.

As for the "prison" talking point, read or listen to what DeSantis actually said in full context. Not only was "prison" (along with several other suggestions) applied as a verbal jab against Disney, but they were suggestions from others, not DeSantis himself.

Quote from: WMK on April 19, 2023, 02:41:58 PMDon Jr., who has always been one of my favorites of the Trump spokespeople, has now taken the position that Anheuser Busch should not be treated too harshly for  their willingness to exploit pro-transgenderism as a marketing ploy. Moreover, Jr. believes transgenderism is really no big deal, if you're over 18.

They likely have relationships at AB.  Not everyone there knew about or was on board with what happened.
 

QuoteAdded, Donald Trump is now publicly siding with Disney - the quintessential pro-homo/woke corporation - just so he could hurl criticisms at DeSantis. How is this approach helping the conservative cause?

Iger took over Disney recently, and they're moving away from woke shit.  It won't be overnight, apparently, but that ship is turning around.  CNN is an example of this happening under Discovery.

Quote from: WMK on April 21, 2023, 09:36:08 AM'Overreach is the operative word here.'  What did the FLa. Executive & Legislative actually do that was "overreach?"  Zip, zero, Nadia. Everything they did was in their rightful power. That's how you deal with oligarchs - in the pocketbook.

As for the "prison" talking point, read or listen to what DeSantis actually said in full context. Not only was "prison" (along with several other suggestions) applied as a verbal jab against Disney, but they were suggestions from others, not DeSantis himself.

Sad to see so many trumpists become woke corporate shills. Trump is the road to massive defeat