US officials have inexplicably welded open 114 massive gates along the Arizona border
"We haven't seen this many migrants since about 2008," said Adam Isacson, director for defense oversight at the advocacy group Washington Office on Latin America. "With the end of Title 42, in a way that nobody oversaw, it seems to come back to Tucson.
"What you're seeing is a lot of large groups who want to turn themselves in," Isacson said. "Tucson has also traditionally been where smugglers concentrate Mexicans and Central Americans who don't want to be detected. Now they're seeing 100 people at a time who are not running away.
"It's really becoming an epicenter," he said. "This is big."
Each of the 114 gates in Arizona, which have been open for nearly two months, has 12-foot doors wide enough for a motorcycle to drive through. Smugglers drive busloads of migrants to the Mexican side of the border, where they get off and simply walk into the US.
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https://nypost.com/2023/08/21/arizona-borders-open-floodgates-allow-thousands-into-us/
Unfortunately, part of the section of wall that Trump had built in AZ was built in a creek bed, so during monsoon season, when those rain water starts flowing, the gates have to be open to avoid more damage.
In 2021, some gates were ripped off.
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https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174
I knew if we stayed tuned we would get the liberal take on it. STILL NO REASON TO WELD THEM OPEN! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 06:32:41 AMI knew if we stayed tuned we would get the liberal take on it. STILL NO REASON TO WELD THEM OPEN! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's a liberal take to say there was severe damage to the gates in the past, so now they're going to weld them open during monsoon season to avoid more damage.
They can't be closed and it's probably very unsafe to leave the unsecured. They weld them open for a few months and then close them after monsoon season.
The gates were included in the creek beds for this reason.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 06:20:21 AMUnfortunately, part of the section of wall that Trump had built in AZ was built in a creek bed, so during monsoon season, when those rain water starts flowing, the gates have to be open to avoid more damage.
In 2021, some gates were ripped off.
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https://gizmodo.com/trumps-border-wall-torn-apart-by-arizona-monsoon-rains-1847535174
Sooo, historic flooding damaged part of the wall and the Biteme Admin is doing nothing to mitigate the issue...
Thanks for the update. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2023, 07:29:03 AMSooo, historic flooding damaged part of the wall and the Biteme Admin is doing nothing to mitigate the issue...
Thanks for the update. :rolleyes:
The damage happened in 2021. They fixed it and are
now opening the gates to avoid more damage.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 08:28:28 AMThe damage happened in 2021. They fixed it and are now opening the gates to avoid more damage.
It was still historic flooding, but welding the gates open?
Even you can do better than this.
Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2023, 09:37:59 AMIt was still historic flooding, but welding the gates open?
Even you can do better than this.
Arizona has monsoons, to varying degrees, every year. What method of keeping the gates open,to avoid damage during monsoon season, would you approve of?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 09:44:50 AMArizona has monsoons, to varying degrees, every year. What method of keeping the gates open,to avoid damage during monsoon season, would you approve of?
Border guards.
Seriously?
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 08:28:28 AMThe damage happened in 2021. They fixed it and are now opening the gates to avoid more damage.
Do you know what the gates were for? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2023, 09:48:39 AMBorder guards.
Seriously?
Ok, now we're changing subjects.... So, the current wall, with the gates, didn't exist before 2021.
They built the wall with gates because it was running through a part of the land where large amounts of rushing water tends to flow during monsoon season.
Just because the gates are open, doesn't mean the people coming through them are allowed to walk into the US without following the normal process. Your article referenced it as did another NY Post article below. Laws don't cease to exist because these gates are open. People seeking asylum still have to turn themselves over to CBP to be processed.
Cartels are exploiting the situation, dropping off migrants by the busload so they can casually walk into the US through the open doors and hand themselves over to border agents, as The Post witnessed firsthand west of remote Lukeville, Ariz., last weekend.https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-responsible-for-open-floodgates-in-arizona-border-wall/
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 09:59:49 AMDo you know what the gates were for? :lol: :lol: :lol:
:bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
They open, they close, but you don't weld them open. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 10:11:20 AMOk, now we're changing subjects.... So, the current wall, with the gates, didn't exist before 2021.
They built the wall with gates because it was running through a part of the land where large amounts of rushing water tends to flow during monsoon season.
Just because the gates are open, doesn't mean the people coming through them are allowed to walk into the US without following the normal process. Your article referenced it as did another NY Post article below. Laws don't cease to exist because these gates are open. People seeking asylum still have to turn themselves over to CBP to be processed.
Cartels are exploiting the situation, dropping off migrants by the busload so they can casually walk into the US through the open doors and hand themselves over to border agents, as The Post witnessed firsthand west of remote Lukeville, Ariz., last weekend.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-responsible-for-open-floodgates-in-arizona-border-wall/
So you admit, the border is wide fuckin open, and all illegals have to do, is cross, find a BP agent, and they're home free?
Thanks for playing. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
United States Border Patrol (USBP) told the New York Post that the department "makes the final decision on opening gates based on operational conditions and forecasted weather," and CBP later clarified that the gates are opened during monsoon season to prevent the wall from collapsing.
"High water flow combined with excessive sediment and debris buildup can stress or comprise the design integrity of the barrier," the department told The Post. "Once the rain or flood event is over and the debris and sediment are removed, the gates can be closed and secured."
https://www.tpusa.com/live/open-floodgates-at-southern-border-wall-allow-thousands-to-enter-into-az
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 10:39:41 AMUnited States Border Patrol (USBP) told the New York Post that the department "makes the final decision on opening gates based on operational conditions and forecasted weather," and CBP later clarified that the gates are opened during monsoon season to prevent the wall from collapsing.
"High water flow combined with excessive sediment and debris buildup can stress or comprise the design integrity of the barrier," the department told The Post. "Once the rain or flood event is over and the debris and sediment are removed, the gates can be closed and secured."
https://www.tpusa.com/live/open-floodgates-at-southern-border-wall-allow-thousands-to-enter-into-az
"Can Be Closed"? Welded open kinda exposes that lie. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OK, I just got out a new lighter, so build those strawmen, I feel like an arson today. :biggrin:
Migrants Stunned as They Flood Open Southern Border: 'It Was So Easy to Get into U.S'Migrants have been left stunned at the ease at which they have been able to casually make illegal crossings into the United States via the open Southern Border.
In Arizona alone, thousands of migrants are flowing across the US border every single day.
They are making illegal crossings literally through open floodgates.
The open border has made the Tucson Post the busiest point of illegal entry into the country.
According to a report from the New York Post, gates in the barriers at the border have been left open by authorities to allow illegal aliens to easily enter the country, unchallenged.
https://slaynews.com/news/migrants-stunned-flood-open-southern-border-so-easy-us/
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
How to Remove Welding (With and Without a Grinder)
https://waterwelders.com/remove-welding-with-without-grinder/
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 10:53:53 AM:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
How to Remove Welding (With and Without a Grinder)
https://waterwelders.com/remove-welding-with-without-grinder/
Damn are you dense! The point is it should have never been done on the first place!! The fence is to keep out illegals, kinda hard to do if you weld the gates open.
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I'm having a hard time seeing the mass amounts of water with all those people in the way.
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I'm having a hard time seeing the mass amounts of water with all those people in the way.
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 12:31:03 PMDamn are you dense! The point is it should have never been done on the first place!! The fence is to keep out illegals, kinda hard to do if you weld the gates open.
Right. They should just leave the gates closed, let the flood waters come and then wait for the gates to be torn from the hinges or sections of the wall just collapse. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 02:26:38 PMRight. They should just leave the gates closed, let the flood waters come and then wait for the gates to be torn from the hinges or sections of the wall just collapse. :thumbsup:
If
rain,
hard rain,
flooding rain, massive flooding rain, is in the forecast, gates can be opened. But that is not the problem, the problem is now they can not be closed. Illegals are flooding across and nobody is stopping them. I asked you another question that you ignored, what is the fence for? Why are the gates there? Let me give you a hint, the fence is to keep out people who are coming in to this country illegally, the gates are there to be opened when needed. By welding them open, the fence is destroyed. NOBODY is suggesting for the gates to be destroyed in flood waters, just another strawman you are using.
Let's not act like the gates have to be open at all. They can make a drainage system for the flooding.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 12:31:03 PMDamn are you dense! The point is it should have never been done on the first place!! The fence is to keep out illegals, kinda hard to do if you weld the gates open.
:bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
It has nothing!
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 02:42:50 PMIf rain, hard rain, flooding rain, massive flooding rain, is in the forecast, gates can be opened. But that is not the problem, the problem is now they can not be closed. Illegals are flooding across and nobody is stopping them. I asked you another question that you ignored, what is the fence for? Why are the gates there? Let me give you a hint, the fence is to keep out people who are coming in to this country illegally, the gates are there to be opened when needed. By welding them open, the fence is destroyed. NOBODY is suggesting for the gates to be destroyed in flood waters, just another strawman you are using.
"Illegals are flooding across and nobody is stopping them"
As 3 different articles mentioned, the people who cross there are processed by CBP just like they would at any port of entry. The fence being open just means nothing. If they didn't cross/surrender there, they'd do it up the road at the port of entry.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 03:31:40 PM"Illegals are flooding across and nobody is stopping them"
As 3 different articles mentioned, the people who cross there are processed by CBP just like they would at any port of entry. The fence being open just means nothing. If they didn't cross/surrender there, they'd do it up the road at the port of entry.
They are not being processed, at best their journey into this country is only delayed for a short while. They are given a court date, years in the future. That is not being processed. If they were being processed the drugs, the gangs, the children for sale would not be going on. THE FENCE BEING CLOSED WOULD STOP THIS. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 03:38:30 PMThey are not being processed, at best their journey into this country is only delayed for a short while. They are given a court date, years in the future. That is not being processed. If they were being processed the drugs, the gangs, the children for sale would not be going on. THE FENCE BEING CLOSED WOULD STOP THIS. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO IS COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, they aren't being processed because I'm sure you know more about the situation than the NY Post and Turning Point USA :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 03:51:07 PMok, they aren't being processed because I'm sure you know more about the situation than the NY Post and Turning Point USA :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:
Go back and carefully read what I posted. The process they are going through is a sham. Where is the link that shows that criminals, drugs, gang members, ETC. are not able to get into this country, where is the link that shows everyone is getting tested for disease, ARE YOU GETTTING THE POINT YET?? Illegals are coming in by the thousands. There is no vetting.
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 04:28:34 PMGo back and carefully read what I posted. The process they are going through is a sham. Where is the link that shows that criminals, drugs, gang members, ETC. are not able to get into this country, where is the link that shows everyone is getting tested for disease, ARE YOU GETTTING THE POINT YET?? Illegals are coming in by the thousands. There is no vetting.
Your opinion of the process is irrelevant in this discussion. The fence was intentionally designed with gates that can open because allowing rushing water against it compromises the structural integrity of defense. When the dates are open, there are CB p agents there to process people in the exact same way they be processed at any port of entry.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 04:50:09 PMYour opinion of the process is irrelevant in this discussion.
The part which is irrelevant is your claim that the border process is working.
QuoteThe fence was intentionally designed with gates that can open because allowing rushing water against it compromises the structural integrity of defense.
Right, the part you are forgetting here is that those gates are now welded open, Making the fence useless.
QuoteWhen the dates are open, there are CB p agents there to process people in the exact same way they be processed at any port of entry.
Those agents are made up with the same straw that your arguments are. Where are the posts that show us no criminals, drugs, disease, are coming into this country????
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 04:58:48 PMThe part which is irrelevant is your claim that the border process is working.
Right, the part you are forgetting here is that those gates are now welded open, Making the fence useless.
Those agents are made up with the same straw that your arguments are. Where are the posts that show us no criminals, drugs, disease, are coming into this country????
again, the existence of the gates in the wall are for a reason. If the gates are open, then people come through them in our process as they would be at a normal point of entry or anywhere else that they surrendered to a customs and border patrol agents. You may not like the process. You may think it's a sham. But that does not change the reality of the gates or how the gates being open is handled.
Quote from: ZenMode on August 24, 2023, 05:02:28 PMagain, the existence of the gates in the wall are for a reason. If the gates are open, then people come through them in our process as they would be at a normal point of entry or anywhere else that they surrendered to a customs and border patrol agents. You may not like the process. You may think it's a sham. But that does not change the reality of the gates or how the gates being open is handled.
BUll crap. If they can go through a "normal" port, WHY ARE THEY COMING IN THROUGHT THE GATES!!! Gates are not made to be welded open. There is no process. Where are the posts that show us no criminals, drugs, disease, are coming into this country???? Zen, again you are going in circles, time to kill this discussion also until you learn how to have one.
Quote from: Possum on August 24, 2023, 05:51:56 PMBUll crap. If they can go through a "normal" port, WHY ARE THEY COMING IN THROUGHT THE GATES!!! Gates are not made to be welded open. There is no process. Where are the posts that show us no criminals, drugs, disease, are coming into this country???? Zen, again you are going in circles, time to kill this discussion also until you learn how to have one.
every person that wants to claim asylum at the border past across the border illegally. We can't go into Mexico and detain people.
Let's be honest: we need to stop ALL entries (legal or illegal) into this country.
We have an immigration process, but that doesn't mean we have to let every Juan, Dick, and Harry come in. We don't need any more unskilled labor. We need doctors and stuff.