Quote from: T Hunt on September 24, 2020, 09:17:53 AM
So are you going to answer my question? Which SECTION is it referring too?

I did answer your question. 2a say a minor open carrying a deadly weapon is a misdemeanor.  Violations in 3c make the misdemeanor in 2a a felony.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 08:37:31 AM
No it's not bullshit. Everything I stated is true. That child had no business illegally borrowing a gun to go into a riot. That was a stupid decision. The person that committed a FELONY loaning a minor a firearm is just as much to blame as the guys that got shot. Rittenhouse killed 2 people and wounded 1 person defending himself. That will be on his conscience for the rest of his life. He never should have been there in the first place. HE IS JUST A CHILD! HE IS A CRIMINAL TOO! Yes the cops should be doing their job. Yes the rioters are wrong and should be arrested. That doesn't change the facts it also doesn't justify breaking the law on either side. If Rittenhouse would have been born 4 months earlier than he was this wouldn't even be a discussion but he wasn't. The rioters were and still are wrong but so is Rittenhouse and his friend.

So fucking what? He borrowed a gun? As I stated, it's very much akin to borrowing a car with expired tags, it too is illegal. Now he hit some pedophile with the car as he was being attacked, is that illegal, is self defense illegal?

I think your blinders are stuck, you are hung up on a technicality. You do realize kids went to war in the past to protect this country, should they be held to you same ridiculous standards?
Same scenario, perp breaks into a home, the law states kids can't brandish a gun, yet the gun was used by a 7 yro to protect his siblings. Are you going to stick with this same ridiculous claim on the law?

The kid is innocent of what they are charging him with.  He was attacked and he defended himself.  IF he hadn't he'd be vegetative today or dead. 

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 09:59:06 AM
So fucking what? He borrowed a gun? As I stated, it's very much akin to borrowing a car with expired tags, it too is illegal. Now he hit some pedophile with the car as he was being attacked, is that illegal, is self defense illegal?

I think your blinders are stuck, you are hung up on a technicality. You do realize kids went to war in the past to protect this country, should they be held to you same ridiculous standards?
Same scenario, perp breaks into a home, the law states kids can't brandish a gun, yet the gun was used by a 7 yro to protect his siblings. Are you going to stick with this same ridiculous claim on the law?

Now you're comparing apples and oranges. I have never said he committed murder. I agree that it was self defense. I agree he will not be convicted of first degree murder. All I have said all along is he committed a crime by borrowing and carrying a deadly weapon. I also have said Rittenhouse is a criminal for doing so. He made stupid childish decisions that will haunt him for the rest of his life. He is guilty of the firearms charges. He was not legally carrying a firearm. The person that loaned him the firearm committed a felony. As far as your car scenario the person that loaned the car will be on the hook for the damages caused by the car. You know that.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 11:08:44 AM
Now you're comparing apples and oranges. I have never said he committed murder. I agree that it was self defense. I agree he will not be convicted of first degree murder. All I have said all along is he committed a crime by borrowing and carrying a deadly weapon. I also have said Rittenhouse is a criminal for doing so. He made stupid childish decisions that will haunt him for the rest of his life. He is guilty of the firearms charges. He was not legally carrying a firearm. The person that loaned him the firearm committed a felony. As far as your car scenario the person that loaned the car will be on the hook for the damages caused by the car. You know that.

Then would you agree it's time to change the law so this shit never happens again?
My point is, this is a 2ND Amendment issue, and there should never have been any law against his Right to carry a weapon!

In other words my Franklin quote fits perfectly, this was a bad law from the day it was illegally signed into law!

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 01:46:15 PM
Then would you agree it's time to change the law so this shit never happens again?
My point is, this is a 2ND Amendment issue, and there should never have been any law against his Right to carry a weapon!

In other words my Franklin quote fits perfectly, this was a bad law from the day it was illegally signed into law!

No I don't agree minors should be able to carry dangerous weapons. When they are adults then yes.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 02:09:13 PM
No I don't agree minors should be able to carry dangerous weapons. When they are adults then yes.

I assume you aren't old enough to remember when kids to guns to school for classes in gun safety, and how we were taught to handle them?
So what changed? Marxists, they've slowly been taking our rights away. Look at yourself, arguing that some 17 yro is somehow guilty of defending the Right to self defense.
You really need some self introspection on what you're arguing here.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 03:37:04 PM
I assume you aren't old enough to remember when kids to guns to school for classes in gun safety, and how we were taught to handle them?
So what changed? Marxists, they've slowly been taking our rights away. Look at yourself, arguing that some 17 yro is somehow guilty of defending the Right to self defense.
You really need some self introspection on what you're arguing here.

I do remember that. I'm not arguing against his right of self defense. I'm saying he broke the law and he did. I'm also saying he made childish and stupid decisions that could have easily been avoided. I don't need any self introspection on this subject. He was wrong and he's a criminal. He's not a hero.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 05:14:13 PM
I do remember that. I'm not arguing against his right of self defense. I'm saying he broke the law and he did. I'm also saying he made childish and stupid decisions that could have easily been avoided. I don't need any self introspection on this subject. He was wrong and he's a criminal. He's not a hero.

And no, he was not, regardless of what an unconstitutional law says.
This is a state law, laws vary from state to state.

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
And no, he was not, regardless of what an unconstitutional law says.
This is a state law, laws vary from state to state.

Why don't you try walking around any city in the state you live in open carrying a loaded gun and see what happens. Better yet try putting a loaded gun in the back widow of your truck in your state and see what happens. After you get out of jail then tell me about unconstitutional laws. And while your at it drive by a school or 2. Go out shooting with an unregistered unmodified AR15 with a 30rd magazine in your state and see what happens if any LEO shows up. Take a Taurus Judge 5 shot revolver out shooting a see what happens if you happen to encounter a LEO. After you do that then get back to me. IN MY OPINION those are constitutional situations that will get you felony charges in your state.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 05:58:00 PM
Why don't you try walking around any city in the state you live in open carrying a loaded gun and see what happens. Better yet try putting a loaded gun in the back widow of your truck in your state and see what happens. After you get out of jail then tell me about unconstitutional laws. And while your at it drive by a school or 2. Go out shooting with an unregistered unmodified AR15 with a 30rd magazine in your state and see what happens if any LEO shows up. Take a Taurus Judge 5 shot revolver out shooting a see what happens if you happen to encounter a LEO. After you do that then get back to me. IN MY OPINION those are constitutional situations that will get you felony charges in your state.

WTF do you think I've been trying to get through your thick skull?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Quote from: Solar on September 24, 2020, 06:01:26 PM
WTF do you think I've been trying to get through your thick skull?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

...and, the state law allows for Rittenhouse to carry.

Quote from: taxed on September 24, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
...and, the state law allows for Rittenhouse to carry.

No it does not. He is a minor.

Quote from: Killer Clouds on September 24, 2020, 06:09:57 PM
No it does not. He is a minor.

He is a minor. I proved he was in the clear. You didn't'

Quote from: taxed on September 24, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
He is a minor. I proved he was in the clear. You didn't'

You didn't prove anything other than it wasn't a felony. It is still a midemeanor. 2a is a misdemeanor,  3c makes 2a a felony.