No links in this one, kids, just me ramblin'.

It occurs to me that if everything comes to pass with regard to KenyaCare that its opponents anticipate will come to pass, we simply cannot lose by using KenyaCare as a single-issue litmus test, especially with regard to the Senate races. All we have to do is publicly ask a single question of each Democrat candidate running for re-election, and ask that same question over and over and over. "Did you vote for KenyaCare?" Of course, we already know the answer, but the whole idea is to force ownership of KenyaCare on each one. I can't remember where I read it the other day, but it was a suggestion that EVERY Democrat senator running for re-election next year can be legitimately said to have "cast the key vote needed for passage of KenyaCare," or "Without Dem XYZ's vote, KenyaCare would not have become law."

Of course, after each "yes" answer -- assuming you can squeeze one out -- the obvious followup question is, "Did you read the bill before you voted for it?" In every case, the truthful answer is most certainly "no," but there may be one or two who will claim that they read most of it, or had their staffs prepare summaries. Either way, they cannot win.

In the event of a "No" answer -- "Are you telling us, sir/madam, that you voted for the most sweeping and potentially damaging social and economic legislation in the past half-century without even reading it?"

In the event of a "Yes" answer -- "Are you telling us, sir/madam, that you knew the extent of the damage KenyaCare would do to the economy and to the health care security of tens of millions of Americans, and you voted for it anyway?

Debbie Blabbermouth Sluts keeps claiming that Dems can and should run on KenyaCare next year. We can only hope they take her advice.

I think you pretty-much framed what's gonna happen.  Dems are trying the twisted-logic explanations right now, and none of them have any traction. 

The I agreed with the spirit of the bill excuse is the one I've heard most.  But how did they know what the 'spirit' was?   They didn't read it.  We're witnessing what the spirit is... adding 5.6-million more uninsured to the 30-million uninsured, with milllions more a'comin'.

It should be more than a litmus test... it should be the silver bullet, the cyanide pill.  Don't forget that this angle was hammered pretty hard during the 2012 election and, if only the pile of poop was steaming as it is now and the collateral damage being felt then as it is now, the results may have been different. 

While I agree that is the way it should be, you forget that the Republicans never do anything to help themselves for fear they will hurt someone's feelings.   

Quote from: bigmck on December 08, 2013, 06:23:08 PM
While I agree that is the way it should be, you forget that the Republicans never do anything to help themselves for fear they will hurt someone's feelings.   

True.  And, as I mentioned in a related thread, they had better move away from the old guard (just save my seat) RINOS and be to wrestle in the mud.  Don't kid yourself for a minute that the GOP, TEA or otherwise will find an easy path to wins in the 2012 or 2016... their base, while openly crying foul now, are still ideologues who have been conditioned to love the free lunch and those who provide it.

LOL KenyaCare

Democrats are running from it like a barn fire, and it's only going to get worse as America feels the full brunt of Obamacare dysfunction.

Quote from: LIAMD on December 08, 2013, 07:27:18 PM
True.  And, as I mentioned in a related thread, they had better move away from the old guard (just save my seat) RINOS and be to wrestle in the mud.  Don't kid yourself for a minute that the GOP, TEA or otherwise will find an easy path to wins in the 2012 or 2016... their base, while openly crying foul now, are still ideologues who have been conditioned to love the free lunch and those who provide it.

You forget, many of those drawing the government cheese are unemployed - due to Obozo screwing up the economy. What they want to hear is someone who can give them a job - and their dreams back. They are not all ideologues. Even the youths that once supported him are enraged over him destroying their future. AND they have finally realized TANSTAAFL, even if Obozo wipes out their student debts, it will simply add to the public debt - which they will have to pay back. the Dems main support in 2014 will be ideologues, government workers and inner city blacks (there are some things my people never seem to learn).

Quote from: mdgiles on December 08, 2013, 08:04:49 PMEven the youths that once supported him are enraged over him destroying their future.

And not to mention healthcare freedoms... I am 26 and not depending on my parents. Now I must subsidize others' health or be fined. I'll take the fine. Let the Obamacare system collapse.

Quote from: Montesquieu on December 08, 2013, 08:11:22 PM
And not to mention healthcare freedoms... I am 26 and not depending on my parents. Now I must subsidize others' health or be fined. I'll take the fine. Let the Obamacare system collapse.

Remember under Obamacare you can always get insurance when you need it.  There no such thing as Pre Existing Conditions for health care.

Quote from: walkstall on December 08, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
Remember under Obamacare you can always get insurance when you need it.  There no such thing as Pre Existing Conditions for health care.

I feel cheated just by virtue of the failure to rein in healthcare costs, nevermind everything else. Once the system is fair to me, I will participate in the system.

Quote from: walkstall on December 08, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
Remember under Obamacare you can always get insurance when you need it.  There no such thing as Pre Existing Conditions for health care.

I am wondering if it is really going to be that way. -- Medicare covers Pre-Existing when you first enroll.  If you drop coverage and attempt to sign up again or attempt to switch to a different plan, they then can turn you down for health reasons.  I would think it would have to be the same.  They can't allow someone to buy insurance on the way to the hospital.

Quote from: Montesquieu on December 08, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
I feel cheated just by virtue of the failure to rein in healthcare costs, nevermind everything else. Once the system is fair to me, I will participate in the system.

Good luck son, it will not happen in your life time.
The monkey will always be on your back.
You sound like you may become a Conservative by age 30. LOL

Quote from: walkstall on December 08, 2013, 08:41:13 PM
Good luck son, it will not happen in your life time.
The monkey will always be on your back.

I'm not so sure. People are going to get sick of the Marxist trends and there will be a conservative correction soon. It is inevitable just as the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe was.

QuoteYou sound like you may become a Conservative by age 30. LOL

You do me a great honor.

Quote from: Montesquieu on December 08, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
I feel cheated just by virtue of the failure to rein in healthcare costs, nevermind everything else. Once the system is fair to me, I will participate in the system.

KenyaCare is what "fairness" looks like to those inside the beltway. It is "fairness" conceived, designed, passed, and signed into law exclusively by lib/prog Democrats. If you're waiting for a different flavor of "fairness," I fear you have a very long wait ahead of you.

I'm 58, currently uninsured, and I will never -- never -- buy health insurance through a KenyaCare exchange, no matter how much "fairness" the ruling class deigns to bequeath upon us.

Quote from: Montesquieu on December 08, 2013, 08:28:05 PM

    "I feel cheated just by virtue of the failure to rein in healthcare costs, nevermind everything else. Once the system is fair to me, I will participate in the system."

I am interested in what your friends and associates in you are saying about the ACA?

Thanks,