I don't nessecarily get what it should mean for conservatives if a person like Sessions would be a "never Trumper". Does it matter? I presume conservatives want to mainly promote right wing candidates and they even need a fair amount of them to prefferable get a majority in house and senate so every politician that wants to serve the cause would be good even if not perhaps nessecarily on best terms with some of the other conservatives. If conservative politicians would put personal disagreements asside to stand toghether behind the same conservative policy's or law propposals (as i think they typically would do) then it hardly matters.

So the idea is that even if a guy like Sessions is not pro Trump, likely he's going to support pretty much the same Policies Trump wants because ideologicly aligned.

Besides that... can i ask people here do they really consider Trump such a better conservative than Sessions? If you can choose between either and youre sure one is president, is it such a given Trump wins for the people here? Reading back it seems like Ted Cruz was rather popular here in the run up to the ellections, so wouldn't some then have preffered President Cruz even if he had been a "never trumper"?
(If for some reason certain people would not answer than publicly, pm is fine too.)

Quote from: TheFlemishDuck on November 03, 2019, 07:54:01 AM
I don't nessecarily get what it should mean for conservatives if a person like Sessions would be a "never Trumper". Does it matter? I presume conservatives want to mainly promote right wing candidates and they even need a fair amount of them to prefferable get a majority in house and senate so every politician that wants to serve the cause would be good even if not perhaps nessecarily on best terms with some of the other conservatives. If conservative politicians would put personal disagreements asside to stand toghether behind the same conservative policy's or law propposals (as i think they typically would do) then it hardly matters.

So the idea is that even if a guy like Sessions is not pro Trump, likely he's going to support pretty much the same Policies Trump wants because ideologicly aligned.

Besides that... can i ask people here do they really consider Trump such a better conservative than Sessions? If you can choose between either and youre sure one is president, is it such a given Trump wins for the people here? Reading back it seems like Ted Cruz was rather popular here in the run up to the ellections, so wouldn't some then have preffered President Cruz even if he had been a "never trumper"?
(If for some reason certain people would not answer than publicly, pm is fine too.)

You might be surprised to know that many here do not recognize Trump as a conservative. We recognize him as a patriot. Trump has never been a conservative, but does some conservative things. A "never Trumper" can be a conservative if they are a swamp dweller.

BTW, do you consider the TEA movement a party?

Quote from: tiny1 on November 02, 2019, 12:28:44 PM
Except President Trump:

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

Of course, you ignore the context. President Trump wasn't in the meeting, and the news reports at that time, that Trump brilliantly uses as a political hammer, was that Rosenstein did what you said he did.  That was before the participants in the meeting collaborated Rosenstein's account.  The fact remains, your belief that this happened hangs on the words of Andrew McCabe, who changed the story several times publicly.  But, sure, keep quoting and using out-of-context material to hold onto the point that Rosenstein was conspiring with McCabe to take down the President -- from whom he demoted and took the investigation and handed it to Mueller.  That must be some 5-D chess on Rosenstein's part in his deep-state quest to get the President impeached.

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That is so much Bullshit.  Trump asked him, and he said he never said it.  THAT is a lie.  Now, you want me to ignore a lie, because
YOU say it was a jest.  C'mon man.  Get Real.  Prove he didn't mean it. 

I didn't say it was jest... I'm saying the people in the meeting said it was in jest.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/source-in-room-says-rosensteins-wire-comment-was-case-of-sarcasm

QuoteA source who was in the room during the meeting at which Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein reportedly talked about someone perhaps wearing "a wire" while meeting with President Trump tells Fox News the comment was "sarcastic."

The meeting in question took place at Main DOJ on May 16, 2017. This was one week after FBI Director James Comey was fired by the president, and one day before Special Counsel Mueller investigation was brought in to oversee an inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

Fox News has learned that the meeting in question included Rosenstein, Andrew McCabe, then the acting director of the FBI, and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, among several others.

Fox News' source said: "I remember this meeting and remember the wire comment. The statement was sarcastic and was never discussed with any intention of recording a conversation with the president."

"Andy [McCabe] and the DAG didn't really know each other," said the source, referring to the abbreviation for Rosenstein's post. "They were new to each other."

QuoteEven if he didn't, a capable Intelligence man would never be caught dead, in something like this.

What? Getting support from those in the meeting that he was being sarcastic? Also, if you're conspiring with someone to wear a wire to entrap the President, why would you subsequently demote that person and remove the investigation from him?  I'm having trouble following your leftist logic.

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He's corrupt, and a crook.

The person you believe for the account has nobody supporting his story from the meeting, and is under criminal investigation and about to get indicted.  Rosenstein, the guy you think is a crook, is not.  I'll believe the guy who has made smart moves in this incredibly complicated situation.

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  When all this comes out, I hope you like the taste of crow.

I still haven't finished my plate from after the Mueller report, when I got the same reply how crow will taste after Mueller's report shows Trump obstructed justice.

QuoteNope, Genius, you have no more data than I have.

Correct. We all have the same access to the same data.

QuoteThe problem is that you trust the Establishment Elites, the same ones who wanna take down my President.

Yeah, Rosenstein did a brilliant job with that.  He's got him right where he wants him now!

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  I parrot no one, Einstein, but at least I don't put my faith in a crummy political operative traitor.

I didn't either.  I was back and forth on Rosenstein for a while.  I just didn't listen to what Hannity told me to think.  I did my own thinking.

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No, asshole, I believe my President.  At least I do not believe a known liar.

Same here.  He picked the right guy for Deputy Attorney General.  You disagree with Trump and don't agree with his judgement on who he picked, but I do, and turned out to be right.

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Talk about a parrot.Where have you proven that I am not?  Oh son, I am informed it seems, a lot more than an establishment hack.Whatever, child.So, now you are calling me a liar.  Well son, you just lied.  You said you'd challenge a lie, but never challenged Rosenstein's lie that he never said he'd wear a wire.  If he was joking, why did he tell Trump he never said it?
You are a joke.

I'm not the one who thinks Rosenstein conspired with Andy McCabe to take down the President by demoting him (McCabe) and handing the investigation to another guy immediately after that meeting where you say he (Rod) conspired with him (McCabe).  I guess I am the joke.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sessions-against-senate-run-alabama

Would the good people of Alabama  believe that he would not have revenge on Trump in mind? T

he Liberal MSM loves the idea.

I'd have to be a FOOL to ever trust Jeff Sessions again.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sessions-against-senate-run-alabama

Would the good people of Alabama  believe that he would not have revenge on Trump in mind? T

he Liberal MSM loves the idea.

No.  Sessions appointed Barr and Durham who is leading the criminal investigation.  Sessions will prove to be a white hat in the end.

Quote from: shhh on November 08, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
No.  Sessions appointed Barr and Durham who is leading the criminal investigation.  Sessions will prove to be a white hat in the end.

Agree!!! Post 3371

Q !!
Trust Sessions


Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q

Taxed, all your Bafflegag and erroneous accusations aside, Rosenstein either LIED to Trump that he never said what he admitted saying, or he lied when he admitted it and claimed it to be a joke.  It was no Joke, IMO.  No one who was in the the "Community" when Obozo was POTUS can be trusted, without EXTREME vetting.  People who give conflicting answers are hiding something.  Sorry, tough to trust someone like him.
Rosenstein is not the Patriot you seem to think he is.  We'll just have to agree to disagree, until the IG and reports come out. 

Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
Agree!!! Post 3371

Q !!
Trust Sessions


Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q

I wholeheartedly support Jeff Session's candidacy for the Senate.  (He would make a great replacement for Majority Leader, by the way). I do think that Sessions did some great work while he was Attorney General.  However, his fatal flaw was agreeing to recuse himself when his 'colleagues' in the Senate beat him up in a Kavanaugh style smearing and even his fellow weak kneed GOP Senators didn't come to his defense in a full throated repudiation of the Democrat's con game.  Good Old Jeff succumbed to the same tactics the coup is using to unseat President Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and now, AG Bill Barr. 

Jeff Sessions is an honorable man.  I like him and admire him very much.  However, it just ain't in the man to get down in the mud and wrestle with the stinking pigs.  He tried to remain above this and by so doing he allowed the hoax to grow to the point it has.  That doesn't make him a bad guy.  I simply makes him wrong for having make a tragic mistake.  Either Whitaker or Barr (as well as many others) could and would have done a better job as Attorney General.  In this regard, not only Jeff Sessions was wrong in recusing himself, but our President was wrong in not withdrawing his name when the Democrats bullied Sessions into saying he would recuse himself, during his confirmation.  Presidnet Trump has repeatedly made is crystal clear that he made a mistake in appointing Sessions and that he would have not appointed him if he had known that Sessions was going to recuse himself and not be able to perform key aspects of the job.  Think about Donald Trump as a CEO (or on his show, "The Apprentice"), he would never put someone in charge if he knew they couldn't do everything that had to be done.)  Again, this doesn't make Sessions a bed man or take away from what he was able to accomplish as AG.  It simply says that he was the wrong pick for this very important position at a time when our nation is in peril of being taken over by a radical coup.  He'll be far more effective in the Senate dealing with the politics!

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 07:08:39 AM
I wholeheartedly support Jeff Session's candidacy for the Senate.  (He would make a great replacement for Majority Leader, by the way). I do think that Sessions did some great work while he was Attorney General.  However, his fatal flaw was agreeing to recuse himself when his 'colleagues' in the Senate beat him up in a Kavanaugh style smearing and even his fellow weak kneed GOP Senators didn't come to his defense in a full throated repudiation of the Democrat's con game.  Good Old Jeff succumbed to the same tactics the coup is using to unseat President Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and now, AG Bill Barr. 

Jeff Sessions is an honorable man.  I like him and admire him very much.  However, it just ain't in the man to get down in the mud and wrestle with the stinking pigs.  He tried to remain above this and by so doing he allowed the hoax to grow to the point it has.  That doesn't make him a bad guy.  I simply makes him wrong for having make a tragic mistake.  Either Whitaker or Barr (as well as many others) could and would have done a better job as Attorney General.  In this regard, not only Jeff Sessions was wrong in recusing himself, but our President was wrong in not withdrawing his name when the Democrats bullied Sessions into saying he would recuse himself, during his confirmation.  Presidnet Trump has repeatedly made is crystal clear that he made a mistake in appointing Sessions and that he would have not appointed him if he had known that Sessions was going to recuse himself and not be able to perform key aspects of the job.  Think about Donald Trump as a CEO (or on his show, "The Apprentice"), he would never put someone in charge if he knew they couldn't do everything that had to be done.)  Again, this doesn't make Sessions a bed man or take away from what he was able to accomplish as AG.  It simply says that he was the wrong pick for this very important position at a time when our nation is in peril of being taken over by a radical coup.  He'll be far more effective in the Senate dealing with the politics!

As Q points out:
"Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q"

Think misdirection.

Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2019, 08:24:21 AM
As Q points out:
"Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q"

Think misdirection.

I already consider Jeff Sessions as a hero, a white hat and a member of the team.  It doesn't mean that he was the right man for the right time for the right position when he took the Attorney General position.  On the other hand, since Donald Trump is a 3D chess player, perhaps Sessions was in on a two step process (or possibly there are more steps to come), where he was to set the table and Bill Barr was to then come in with the criminal investigations followed by prosecutions, followed by mass public executions on the Washington Mall!

Quote from: tiny1 on November 09, 2019, 07:06:54 AM
Taxed, all your Bafflegag and erroneous accusations aside, Rosenstein either LIED to Trump that he never said what he admitted saying, or he lied when he admitted it and claimed it to be a joke.

The only person who agrees with you is McCabe.

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  It was no Joke, IMO.

It was a sarcastic, dismissive comment, according to the witnesses actually in the meeting.  McCabe also changed his story, and he's a liar who even leaked to the press and went after suboridnates for those leaks.  This guy is the worst of the worst, but sure, hold onto his version of events.

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  No one who was in the the "Community" when Obozo was POTUS can be trusted, without EXTREME vetting.

He wasn't "in the community".  He was appointed US Attorney of Maryland by Bush.  President Trump appointed him DAG a month before Comey was fired, i.e., he was not involved in any coup plot.

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People who give conflicting answers are hiding something.  Sorry, tough to trust someone like him.

He didn't give a conflicting answer.

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Rosenstein is not the Patriot you seem to think he is.  We'll just have to agree to disagree, until the IG and reports come out.

I'm not going to base Rosenstein's patriotism off what McCabe says. I'll leave that to you.

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 07:08:39 AM
However, his fatal flaw was agreeing to recuse himself when his 'colleagues' in the Senate beat him up in a Kavanaugh style smearing and even his fellow weak kneed GOP Senators didn't come to his defense in a full throated repudiation of the Democrat's con game.  Good Old Jeff succumbed to the same tactics the coup is using to unseat President Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and now, AG Bill Barr. 

Those people didn't have Kavanaugh under criminal investigation.  They had Sessions under criminal investigation.  Any chance you can make any logical argument as to why Sessions should not have recused himself?  You also have the benefit of hindsight when answering that.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
Trump trashed Sessions badly for a year before he canned him.

I have to believe that Sessions had his middle finger raised to the TV set when he watched Trump on TV.

is he really that small minded?

who knows. But if he really believes the way Trump and most conservatives believe, he will let it be water off a duck's back. Then again, i have seen enough of human nature to know that.. people do not often rise above their own petty little concerns, which means they care more about revenge than they do about the principles they claim to believe in...

Quote from: taxed on November 09, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
Those people didn't have Kavanaugh under criminal investigation.  They had Sessions under criminal investigation.  Any chance you can make any logical argument as to why Sessions should not have recused himself?  You also have the benefit of hindsight when answering that.

You are wrong. Sessions was not under any criminal investigation.  This was all before Mueller and it had to do with a Counter Intelligence Investigation.  Jeff Sessions was not accused of any crime. However, Comey and the Crossfire Hurricane cabal merely cast suspicion on him through their leaks of the 'Trumped Up" Steele Dossier.  Session's recusal only added to the suspicion. The message was, if he did nothing wrong, why would he recuse himself.  They must be right about him; ergo they must be right about what they say about Trump and the others.

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 12:39:31 PM
You are wrong. Sessions was not under any criminal investigation.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/03/22/wait-what-jeff-sessions-was-under-fbi-investigation-by-andrew-mccabe-n2463651