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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sessions-against-senate-run-alabama

Would the good people of Alabama  believe that he would not have revenge on Trump in mind? T

he Liberal MSM loves the idea.

What revenge?

I don't think that Jeff Sessions is a NeverTrumper. He was the first Senator to support Trump and he did a lot of very good things while he was Attorney General.  His greatest flaw was attempting to keep himself out of the sort of attacks that William Barr has suffered.  I think he was wrong in his political decision to attempt to stay completely out of the attacks on the President.  William Barr said this week that he is the American people's Attorney General and not the Attorney of the President.  He is taking a whole lot of personal heat for what the President's political foes see as his being part of what they call the President's Obstruction.

AG Sessions seems to have concluded he could serve better as maintaining a clear distance form this political fight.  While I see this as a mistake, I don't think of Jeff Sessions as a NeverTrumper.  I see him more as someone who failed to serve the President well as Attorney General and therefore he was a person that needed to be replaced.

Jeff Session never should have given up his Senate seat and the people of his state will certainly elect him if he throws his hat in the ring.  He is a solid conservative and would come around just as Ted Cruz has.

Trump trashed Sessions badly for a year before he canned him.

I have to believe that Sessions had his middle finger raised to the TV set when he watched Trump on TV.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 12:40:15 PM
I don't think that Jeff Sessions is a NeverTrumper. He was the first Senator to support Trump and he did a lot of very good things while he was Attorney General.  His greatest flaw was attempting to keep himself out of the sort of attacks that William Barr has suffered.  I think he was wrong in his political decision to attempt to stay completely out of the attacks on the President.  William Barr said this week that he is the American people's Attorney General and not the Attorney of the President.  He is taking a whole lot of personal heat for what the President's political foes see as his being part of what they call the President's Obstruction.

Huh? McCabe launched an investigation into Sessions for colluding with Russia. How could Sessions have prosecuted the very investigation that was investigating him?  Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself.

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AG Sessions seems to have concluded he could serve better as maintaining a clear distance form this political fight.  While I see this as a mistake, I don't think of Jeff Sessions as a NeverTrumper.  I see him more as someone who failed to serve the President well as Attorney General and therefore he was a person that needed to be replaced.

Sessions plugged the leaks so we could do these investigations, expanded GITMO, launched Huber and Durham, and started the penetration into the sanctuary cities, voter fraud investigations, and all the arrests that are currently under seal and piled up during his tenure.

It still bewilders me that people think Sessions didn't do enough. I'll never understand that.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
Trump trashed Sessions badly for a year before he canned him.

I have to believe that Sessions had his middle finger raised to the TV set when he watched Trump on TV.

I think it was deception. There's a whole lot of that going around.  Case in point, yesterday with Barr overly-complimenting Christopher Wray.  The same anti-Sessions crowd have been saying Wray is a bad guy as well.  Barr put a nail in the coffin.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 12:45:36 PM
Huh? McCabe launched an investigation into Sessions for colluding with Russia. How could Sessions have prosecuted the very investigation that was investigating him?  Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself.
Sessions plugged the leaks so we could do these investigations, expanded GITMO, launched Huber and Durham, and started the penetration into the sanctuary cities, voter fraud investigations, and all the arrests that are currently under seal and piled up during his tenure.

It still bewilders me that people think Sessions didn't do enough. I'll never understand that.

William Barr did what Jeff Sessions should have done.  As a result, they held him in contempt (and they still do) but Barr still remains our Attorney General and the Left still attempt to say that he is compromised. 

Had Sessions not recused himself, he still would have been our Attorney General and Congress would not have been able to remove him.  He Blinked!  (BTW, it is far easier said than done.  After his Confirmation Hearing, I don't blame him for believing that if he didn't do what they demanded that they would have had his head on a Pike. )

Sessions is a good man, just as Donald Trump is.  He simply didn't think he had a winning hand and folded, when it came to the false allegations against Donald Trump and everyone in his campaign.  Has Session not recused himself, the whole issue of Trump-Russia Collusion would have played out long before they got Mueller as their Deep State Witch Hunter.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 12:59:22 PM
William Barr did what Jeff Sessions should have done.

Good gravy Wally.  Bill Barr could not be doing what he's doing had Sessions not done what he did.

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  As a result, they held him in contempt (and they still do) but Barr still remains our Attorney General and the Left still attempt to say that he is compromised.

The left will never exhibit rationality, so I don't factor that in any consideration for anything.

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Had Sessions not recused himself, he still would have been our Attorney General and Congress would not have been able to remove him.  He Blinked!  (BTW, it is far easier said than done.  After his Confirmation Hearing, I don't blame him for believing that if he didn't do what they demanded that they would have had his head on a Pike. )

Wally, is it your position that an Attorney General, under investigation by the FBI, referred by Congress, should not recuse himself in that investigation?  I don't quite understand why you think Sessions should not have recused himself.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/03/22/wait-what-jeff-sessions-was-under-fbi-investigation-by-andrew-mccabe-n2463651

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Sessions is a good man, just as Donald Trump is.  He simply didn't think he had a winning hand and folded, when it came to the false allegations against Donald Trump and everyone in his campaign.  Has Session not recused himself, the whole issue of Trump-Russia Collusion would have played out long before they got Mueller as their Deep State Witch Hunter.

I don't understand why you say that.  Rosenstein took the investigation from McCabe and gave it to Mueller.  Sessions wasn't needed and was free to plug leaks, etc.  Why do you hold firm to this notion that Sessions made the wrong moves?

Sessions went to the deep state (DOJ lawyers) to get his advice on what the right thing to do was. He allowed himself to be setup. Rosenstein should have recused himself if anyone should have.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
Sessions went to the deep state (DOJ lawyers) to get his advice on what the right thing to do was. He allowed himself to be setup. Rosenstein should have recused himself if anyone should have.

What should he have done?

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
Sessions went to the deep state (DOJ lawyers) to get his advice on what the right thing to do was. He allowed himself to be setup. Rosenstein should have recused himself if anyone should have.

Sessions could have told them to go shit in their hat!  Congress may have held him in contempt, but just like Eric Holder, he would have remained in his job! Furthermore, the whole Russia-Collusion thing would have been played out in Congress and died long before it could interfere with our President's ability to do his job.  Sessions made a big mistake.  However, as I said, Jeff Sessions is a very good man and a solid Conservative.  Rational, intelligent minds can differ on whether or not he did the right thing in following the advice of Deep State DOJ lawyers. It is pretty clear that the Mueller travesty was a direct result of the absence of an Attorney General in one of the biggest things facing our nation's safety and security.  The Hoax continues AND it could have been stopped before it snowballed to where it is now!

Woulda - Coulda - Shoulda.....   Sessions is still a great Patriot.  I simply believe he made and understandable, but tragic mistake.  He successfully avoided having the stain of contempt of Congress that is on Eric Holder's record.  It hasn't hurt Holder though. Hell, that Asshole might one day run for POTUS!

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:11:45 PM
What should he have done?

Simple. Not listen to them. Sessions knew he did nothing wrong.

No one else did or does. The left is always going to tell every Republican to resign, recuse or whatever they can do to make the GOP look bad in the press. Democrats just refuse and nothing happens. Look at Saddam Schiff as an example.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 01:18:30 PM
Sessions could have told them to go sit in their hat! 

Why would that have not been obstruction of justice?

If Sessions wants to run so be it. Let his constituents decide.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Why would that have not been obstruction of justice?

and how would that have been any different that what Eric Hold did?  Saying so, don't make it so!  The entire Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax would have died as they attempted to Impeach him!  They had a hell of a lot less organized effort before two years of Mueller!!!!    Right now we have an Attorney General who has put himself on the line and they will do the same thing to William Barr that they would have done to AG Jeff Sessions.  The only difference is;   They are now going to attempt to take out the President along with anyone who stands with him!

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 01:29:28 PM
and how would that have been any different that what Eric Hold did?

Ha, OK. Just ignore the rule of law and ignore basic ethics because the Dems did it.

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  Saying so, don't make it so!  The entire Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax would have died as they attempted to Impeach him!  They had a hell of a lot less organized effort before two years of Mueller!!!!    Right now we have an Attorney General who has put himself on the line and they will do the same thing to William Barr that they would have done to AG Jeff Sessions.  The only difference is;   They are now going to attempt to take out the President along with anyone who stands with him!

Oh. So, they would have just thrown their hands up and said "oh well guys, I guess we have to give up on this one" and moved straight to Ukraine?  In the mean time, we'd have an AG who would have obstructed justice and committed a ton of violations, likely validating the other side as well.  We kept clean hands, hence why we will have clean prosecutions, and had a clean Mueller report.

But, you've committed to Sessions being the bad guy who made a bunch of bad moves, and the bad guys would just obey the rules, so whatever...

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Why would that have not been obstruction of justice?

What would he have obstructed? They had not proven anything that he could obstruct and he would have had to start the special prosecutor's investigation. 
He was not mandated to do anything with a referal from Congress.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 01:37:27 PM
What would he have obstructed? They had not proven anything that he could obstruct and he would have had to start the special prosecutor's investigation. 
He was not mandated to do anything with a referal from Congress.

He was under FBI investigation.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:34:40 PM
Ha, OK. Just ignore the rule of law and ignore basic ethics because the Dems did it.

Oh. So, they would have just thrown their hands up and said "oh well guys, I guess we have to give up on this one" and moved straight to Ukraine?  In the mean time, we'd have an AG who would have obstructed justice and committed a ton of violations, likely validating the other side as well.  We kept clean hands, hence why we will have clean prosecutions, and a clean Mueller report.

But, you've committed to Sessions being the bad guy who made a bunch of bad moves, and the bad guys would just obey the rules, so whatever...

Taxed, you are wrong.  The difference between Eric Holder's contempt of Congress and what they may have been to have done with Sessions, if that Holder ran a criminal conspiracy and covered it up, including the murder of one of our Border Patrol Officers.  Trump and Sessions did not do what the Democrats have accused them of and both Trump and Sessions know it!  Sessions was innocent.  Holder was guilty.

As far as the OLC opinion, it is just that; AN OPINION!   The Attorney General does not have to accept the opinion of the OLC, but there will be consequences if he does not.  Just like the Impeachment of Trump, it doesn't mean the Conspirators will win!

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 01:40:23 PM
Taxed, you are wrong.  The difference between Eric Holder's contempt of Congress and what they may have been to have done with Sessions, if that Holder ran a criminal conspiracy and covered it up, including the murder of one of our Border Patrol Officers.  Trump and Sessions did not do what the Democrats have accused them of and both Trump and Sessions know it!  Sessions was innocent.  Holder was guilty.

To be clear, it would have been OK for Sessions to go after the FBI that investigated him?  That would have held up in a court of law?  And, look how much cover the Dems have with Congress on the President -- forget an Attorney General.

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As far as the OLC opinion, it is just that; AN OPINION!   The Attorney General does not have to accept the opinion of the OLC, but there will be consequences if he does not.  Just like the Impeachment of Trump, it doesn't mean the Conspirators will win!

With your way of thinking, the President could have told Mueller to pound sand and not hand over any docs, etc.  Instead, they have zero argument for obstruction of any kind, and nullified any possible support for that as a basis for impeachment.  Also, the obstruction case would not have only fallen on Sessions, but Trump, since the narrative would have likely been "Trump told his pit bull to go after us innocent FBI agents investigating his wrong doing".

We've gone though this thing clean, and left the Dems with NOTHING that can be used against Trump.  Instead, it seems like you wish we handed them a treasure trove of talking points that would have built up a case for impeachment.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
Trump trashed Sessions badly for a year before he canned him.

I have to believe that Sessions had his middle finger raised to the TV set when he watched Trump on TV.

Magicians do it all the time, it's called distraction, or sleight of hand. Sessions was being used as a distraction, even Q kept telling us Sessions is a good guy.

When did POTUS make the statement "Calm Before the Storm?"
When was HUBER activated by SESSIONS?
Who was/is assigned to HUBER?
ACTING AG PRIMARY PURPOSE?
SCARAMUCCI MODEL?
PUBLIC OPINION (OPTICS) DO NOT MATTER.
What was leaked today (on purpose?)?
https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1070749777334292481
HUBER to testify re: Clinton Foundation?
HUBER to reveal 'active' probe actively underway into organization?
OIG to release report #2 [overview indicating many 'potentially criminal referrals' made]?
"We do not discuss active/ongoing DOJ / FBI investigations."
MIL INTEL
FISA
THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
Q

You can do a search for Sessions qanon.pub and see for yourself.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
To be clear, it would have been OK for Sessions to go after the FBI that investigated him?  That would have held up in a court of law?  And, look how much cover the Dems have with Congress on the President -- forget an Attorney General.
With your way of thinking, the President could have told Mueller to pound sand and not hand over any docs, etc.  Instead, they have zero argument for obstruction of any kind, and nullified any possible support for that as a basis for impeachment.  Also, the obstruction case would not have only fallen on Sessions, but Trump, since the narrative would have likely been "Trump told his pit bull to go after us innocent FBI agents investigating his wrong doing".

We've gone though this thing clean, and left the Dems with NOTHING that can be used against Trump.  Instead, it seems like you wish we handed them a treasure trove of talking points that would have built up a case for impeachment.

If Sessions had stuck to his guns then there was no Mueller and there was nothing that anyone could have done about it. It was teh deep state in the DOJ and the FBI that created the crisis so they could have an investigation. Rosenstein brought in the Special Prosecutor and he was part of the entire deep state scam.  There was never a need to bring in Mueller or anyone from the outside. Sessions could have had put a John Dunham type in charge of an internal investigation.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
If Sessions had stuck to his guns

How so?  What does that mean?  What does an attorney general do when he needs to investigate investigators who investigated him?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
To be clear, it would have been OK for Sessions to go after the FBI that investigated him?  That would have held up in a court of law?  And, look how much cover the Dems have with Congress on the President -- forget an Attorney General.
With your way of thinking, the President could have told Mueller to pound sand and not hand over any docs, etc.  Instead, they have zero argument for obstruction of any kind, and nullified any possible support for that as a basis for impeachment.  Also, the obstruction case would not have only fallen on Sessions, but Trump, since the narrative would have likely been "Trump told his pit bull to go after us innocent FBI agents investigating his wrong doing".

We've gone though this thing clean, and left the Dems with NOTHING that can be used against Trump.  Instead, it seems like you wish we handed them a treasure trove of talking points that would have built up a case for impeachment.

The Attorney General is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States.  The President is not.  Once there was no Attorney General to perform due diligence then the Fix was in and nobody could stop it.

Again, I LIKE JEFF SESSIONS, but once he saw what his former 'colleagues' did to him during his confirmation he should have recused himself and gone to the President and withdrawn his name from consideration.  Instead, the Democrats got his problem to recuse himself based on Lies and distortions of what had and what had not occurred in his dealings with the Russian Ambassador while he was a Senator.   He had no reason to recuse himself other than because he was being falsely accused, just like our President is.  I think Sessions simply wanted his dream job far too much and ultimately he was compromised in his ability to perform the job which our nation needed done;  CUTTING THESE TRAITORS OFF AT THE KNEES BY STANDING UP TO THEM AND THEIR CONSPIRACY TO TAKE DOWN OUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT;  If it ain't Treason, it damn well ought to be!

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:04:20 PM
The Attorney General is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States.  The President is not.  Once there was no Attorney General to perform due diligence then the Fix was in and nobody could stop it.

Rod Rosenstein handled the Russia-hoax side of things.  Why did they need Sessions?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Rod Rosenstein handled the Russia-hoax side of things.  Why did they need Sessions?

Rod Rosenstein is part of the hoax.  He was involved in the Uranium One deal, along with Hillary Clinton and Mueller.  Jeff Sessions is an honest, decent man.  He undoubtedly made the same mistakes others have made, by placing far too much faith in the wrong people!  Whether Mueller and Rosenstein merely attempted to keep themselves from embarrassment or whether they violated any laws and were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice and frame an innocent man, is yet to be determined.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:14:52 PM
Uranium Rod Rosenstein is part of the hoax.

Then why isn't Trump impeached or out of office?  Why no obstruction and no collusion?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:16:27 PM
Then why isn't Trump impeached or out of office?  Why no obstruction and no collusion?

There's an old adage which comes to mind.  " If you hoot at the King, you've got to kill him ".   They have repeatedly taken their best shot and missed!  Finally, there are a lot of people in the GOP who were not Trump's supporters, who have taken a stand along side him on behalf of the future of the Presidency and our nation.  If they get away with doing this to this Republican President; They Win and our Nation will Lose!   They will 'trump' up fake charges against any future Republican President and install One Party Rule and whatever form of government they see fit.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:22:14 PM
There's an old adage which comes to mind.  " If you hoot at the King, you've got to kill him ".   They have repeatedly taken their best shot and missed!  Finally, there are a lot of people in the GOP who were not Trump's supporters, who have taken a stand along side him on behalf of the future of the Presidency and our nation.  If they get away with doing this to this Republican President; They Win and our Nation will Lose!   They will 'trump' up fake charges against any future Republican President and install One Party Rule and whatever form of government they see fit.

What does this have to do with Rosenstein?  Rod was US Attorney of Maryland when the Spygate stuff started.  When did he supposedly become part of the attempted coup?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:25:11 PM
What does this have to do with Rosenstein?  Rod was US Attorney of Maryland when the Spygate stuff started.  When did he supposedly become part of the attempted coup?

(snip)

"  What new documents reveal about the Uranium One deal
Unveiled memos conflict with the Justice Department's statement.
And the investigation was led by then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, thenU.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, The Hill reported. Rosenstein is now the deputy attorney
general; McCabe, until last month, was the deputy director of the FBI.
Mueller's investigators in the Russia probe report to Rosenstein.  "

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/II/II06/20190625/109694/HHRG-116-II06-20190625-SD004.pdf

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:29:01 PM
(snip)

"  What new documents reveal about the Uranium One deal
Unveiled memos conflict with the Justice Department's statement.
And the investigation was led by then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, thenU.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, The Hill reported. Rosenstein is now the deputy attorney
general; McCabe, until last month, was the deputy director of the FBI.
Mueller's investigators in the Russia probe report to Rosenstein.  "

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/II/II06/20190625/109694/HHRG-116-II06-20190625-SD004.pdf

That's great, but I didn't ask about U1.  When did Rod become part of the plan to take down the President?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:30:23 PM
That's great, but I didn't ask about U1.  When did Rod become part of the plan to take down the President?

I may not have expressed my thought clearly enough when I said that he might only have been attempting to 'cover up' things to avoid embarrassment.  He may not have seen the extent of the plot until it was far too late.  In which case, he was used by the actual conspirators because he was compromised by having made some embarrassing choices and failing to perform due dilligence way back when Hillary and Obama sold out this country to the Russians.  The same goes with Mueller, who was FBI Director at the time (and failed to inform CIFIUS on the Russians bribery investigations which the FBI had discovered surrounding this deal).  The President and the Sec. of State wanted it, so they pushed it through.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:43:00 PM
I may not have expressed my thought clearly enough when I said that he might only have been attempting to 'cover up' things to avoid embarrassment.  He may not have seen the extent of the plot until it was far too late.  In which case, he was used by the actual conspirators because he was compromised by having made some embarrassing choices and failing to perform due dilligence way back when Hillary and Obama sold out this country to the Russians.  The same goes with Mueller, who was FBI Director at the time (and failed to inform CIFIUS on the Russians bribery investigations which the FBI had discovered surrounding this deal).  The President and the Sec. of State wanted it, so they pushed it through.

Then why didn't he stop Huber's investigation into U1?

Regardless, again, when did Rod jump into and join the coup attempt?  Can you name something he did that is evidence he was part of the coup?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Then why didn't he stop Huber's investigation into U1?

Regardless, again, when did Rod jump into and join the coup attempt?  Can you name something he did that is evidence he was part of the coup?

No, I can't.  Just like the cloud of suspicion around Gen. Flynn, I am willing to give Rod Rosenstein the benefit of the doubt.  However, there doesn't seem to be any doubt that President Trump fired this American hero, for lying to VP Pense. The question is whether General Flynn actually did lie to the FBI.  Flynn did nothing wrong in speaking with the Russian Ambassador as the President elect's National Security Adviser.   All good COn Artists know that the best lies have a little bit of truth in them.  The conspirators may have tried to force Rosenstein to 'wear a wire' or do whatever it took to get rid of President Trump, because they had stuff on him.  (Remember McCabe was together with Rosenstien on the Uranium One deal and you got to go along to get along).  The appointment of the former FBI Director during Urianium One, as Special COunsel, is suspicious..but I guess only if this coup gives one a suspicious mind.

I do like what Rosenstein said when he retired and AG Barr came on board.  He said if he had done anything wrong that he is willing to face the consequences.  I found that rather odd.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 04:13:47 PM
No, I can't.  Just like the cloud of suspicion around Gen. Flynn, I am willing to give Rod Rosenstein the benefit of the doubt.

That's cool.  I was back and forth for a while, but in retrospect and seeing how it's all been playing out, I'm solid on the RR is a white hat side.

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  However, there doesn't seem to be any doubt that President Trump fired this American hero, for lying to VP Pense. The question is whether General Flynn actually did lie to the FBI.  Flynn did nothing wrong in speaking with the Russian Ambassador as the President elect's National Security Adviser.

I agree, but you fire him after you bait these deep-staters into a coup attempt.  I certainly can't prove it, but I'm 100% certain there has been a lot of deception and disinformation used to take down the bad guys.  That's why I don't believe anything I see publicly, except for how Trump and co want things to look to the media.  Trump has the best plausible deniability one could have.

Regarding Flynn, look what's about to happen.... the prosecutors will likely end up in prison!!  And it all dovetails with the other scandals (Ukraine, U1, etc).  I would not change a damn thing with ANY of this.  I just saw today the Judge cancelled the next hearing after Powell's Brady filing the other day.

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   All good COn Artists know that the best lies have a little bit of truth in them.  The conspirators may have tried to force Rosenstein to 'wear a wire' or do whatever it took to get rid of President Trump, because they had stuff on him.

Except nobody in that meeting said that's what happened, and said Rosenstein was being sarcastic.  Then Rod takes the investigation out of his hands and gives it to Mueller...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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  (Remember McCabe was together with Rosenstien on the Uranium One deal and you got to go along to get along).  The appointment of the former FBI Director during Urianium One, as Special COunsel, is suspicious..but I guess only if this coup gives one a suspicious mind.

This actually plays into my thought of the deception. These guys relax thinking they have someone on their side.  Little do they know RR got the "we'll let you off the hook for any shenanigans you partook in the previously, and actually use you as a witness against them if......" talk.  Remember, Trump appointed him.

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I do like what Rosenstein said when he retired and AG Barr came on board.  He said if he had done anything wrong that he is willing to face the consequences.  I found that rather odd.

I say the same thing.  If you find evidence in my role in taking out President Kennedy, I will accept those consequences.  Also, who hasn't had the public freakouts like Comey, McCabe, Clapper, etc......

Rod Rosenstein.  Can you imagine Barr giving any of those guys a ceremony like this?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jECeqJV8bY

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8lyy0s6DFo

He will be up against Doug Jones? We will need a senate  pick up.

I have strong opinions about several who I know are part of the conspiracy to conduct a coup against our President.  I don't have any such strong opinion completely formed about Rosenstein.  I realize a lot of good people may look bad simply because of the company they keep and some innocent mistakes they may have made, by relying on others whom they had trusted relationships with.  Rosenstein signed the last FISA warrant application.  Why?  Didn't this mean that he should have recused himself?

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 05:21:52 PM
I have strong opinions about several who I know are part of the conspiracy to conduct a coup against our President.  I don't have any such strong opinion completely formed about Rosenstein.  I realize a lot of good people may look bad simply because of the company they keep and some innocent mistakes they may have made, by relying on others whom they had trusted relationships with.  Rosenstein signed the last FISA warrant application.  Why?  Didn't this mean that he should have recused himself?

He wasn't the affiant. Now Rosenstein, and the FISA judge, can say they lied to them.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
He wasn't the affiant. Now Rosenstein, and the FISA judge, can say they lied to them.

I will be glad to have a look at all the FISA warrant applications and hope nothing is redacted.  At this point, we have to rely on what we've been told and not our own lying eyes.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 05:28:08 PM
I will be glad to have a look at all the FISA warrant applications and hope nothing is redacted.  At this point, we have to rely on what we've been told and not our own lying eyes.

I've got to pass on Jeff Sessions.

He was a great Senator, but a terrible AG. Went all squishy immediately.

Quote from: Rotwang on October 29, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
I've got to pass on Jeff Sessions.

Why?

Paraphrasing  Casey Cassum....

This thread is ponderous.....f@$king ponderous


If you follow Q you understand Session's role, if ya don't, ya don't (See Solar's post up thread and read it)

Not to beat a seemingly dead horse (thread) but Session doubters and in a greater sense albeit unknowingly, PDJT doubters should read this threader...if you can have an open mind that you may be wrong, it might change your outlook and put a permanent smirk on your face when reading about or dealing with TDS media or people :biggrin:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1189408337928097794.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1189408337928097794.html)



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Not to beat a seemingly dead horse (thread) but Session doubters and in a greater sense albeit unknowingly, PDJT doubters should read this threader...if you can have an open mind that you may be wrong, it might change your outlook and put a permanent smirk on your face when reading about or dealing with TDS media or people :biggrin:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1189408337928097794.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1189408337928097794.html)



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Ya know, I'm still not certain Sessions isn't Q himself, or at least one of the Q group.
But either way, he's always been a patriot and part of the plan. Sessions is needed badly, we're still fighting McCON-nel, a real leftist.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Then why didn't he stop Huber's investigation into U1?

Regardless, again, when did Rod jump into and join the coup attempt?  Can you name something he did that is evidence he was part of the coup?

When he raised the idea of Removing the President under the 25th Amendment, that's when.  When he discussed wearing a wire to a meeting with the President, that's when.  It was Rosenstein that recommended firing Comey, and once Comey was fired, it became the pretense for the Mueller Investigation.  Guess who appointed Mueller...Rosenstein.  So he orchestrated the firing of Comey, to launce the Investigation with Mueller, that cost Billions and Years.  Rosenstein wrote to Mueller that the POTUS(Boss) had no knowledge of their communications.  Now we know that Mueller had little to do with the Report, so who do you think directed the Investigation?
You are backing the Wrong Horse.

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2019, 07:03:05 AM
Ya know, I'm still not certain Sessions isn't Q himself, or at least one of the Q group.
But either way, he's always been a patriot and part of the plan. Sessions is needed badly, we're still fighting McCON-nel, a real leftist.

No idea why you feel strongly about Sessions. He was a 15 year do nothing Senator.

Sponsored Bills

    S. 863 Emergency and Disaster Assistance Fraud Penalty Enhancement Act of 2007
    S. 741 Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act of 2004
    S. 1435 Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003
    S. 3045 Paul Coverdell National Forensic Sciences Improvement Act of 2000
    S. 3137 James Madison Commemoration Commission Act of 2000
    S. 768 Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000
    S. 1309 Church Plan Parity and Entanglement Prevention Act of 1999

He certainly seems like a weak do nothing to me.

Sessions should not have taken the job. Once he had,  then he should have fought since. He knew that their was no real issue. Saying hello at a cocktail party to a Russian is not a meeting with the Russians.

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2019, 07:03:05 AM
Ya know, I'm still not certain Sessions isn't Q himself, or at least one of the Q group.
But either way, he's always been a patriot and part of the plan. Sessions is needed badly, we're still fighting McCON-nel, a real leftist.

Sessions understands the popularity of Trump in AL. If he goes for the seat he will be solid for Trump so as to keep his job.

Quote from: supsalemgr on October 31, 2019, 08:07:07 AM
Sessions understands the popularity of Trump in AL. If he goes for the seat he will be solid for Trump so as to keep his job.

But will that just be a Mitt Romney style play where he pretended to be civil to Trump through the election. He fooled the people of Utah.

I apologies to all for dredging this thread back to the top of the page :sad: :sad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :confused: :confused: :confused: :sad: :sad:

Quote from: carolina73 on October 31, 2019, 07:43:41 AM
No idea why you feel strongly about Sessions. He was a 15 year do nothing Senator.

Sponsored Bills

    S. 863 Emergency and Disaster Assistance Fraud Penalty Enhancement Act of 2007
    S. 741 Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act of 2004
    S. 1435 Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003
    S. 3045 Paul Coverdell National Forensic Sciences Improvement Act of 2000
    S. 3137 James Madison Commemoration Commission Act of 2000
    S. 768 Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000
    S. 1309 Church Plan Parity and Entanglement Prevention Act of 1999

He certainly seems like a weak do nothing to me.

Sessions should not have taken the job. Once he had,  then he should have fought since. He knew that their was no real issue. Saying hello at a cocktail party to a Russian is not a meeting with the Russians.

There was a reason Al reelected him year after year, and why Trump chose him. Sometimes you have to get your face out of the weeds to see the entire field.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 31, 2019, 08:19:42 AM
But will that just be a Mitt Romney style play where he pretended to be civil to Trump through the election. He fooled the people of Utah.

I do not believe so. The folks in AL would not stand for Romney like actions or words.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 31, 2019, 07:43:41 AM
No idea why you feel strongly about Sessions. He was a 15 year do nothing Senator.

Sponsored Bills

    S. 863 Emergency and Disaster Assistance Fraud Penalty Enhancement Act of 2007
    S. 741 Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act of 2004
    S. 1435 Prison Rape Elimination Act of 2003
    S. 3045 Paul Coverdell National Forensic Sciences Improvement Act of 2000
    S. 3137 James Madison Commemoration Commission Act of 2000
    S. 768 Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000
    S. 1309 Church Plan Parity and Entanglement Prevention Act of 1999

He certainly seems like a weak do nothing to me.

Sessions should not have taken the job. Once he had,  then he should have fought since. He knew that their was no real issue. Saying hello at a cocktail party to a Russian is not a meeting with the Russians.

Why are you using his Senate record? Why not his Alabama AG record?

Also: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1189408337928097794.html

Quote from: tiny1 on October 31, 2019, 07:39:41 AM
When he raised the idea of Removing the President under the 25th Amendment, that's when.

Who told you that? McCabe? You may think McCabe tells the truth, but I don't.

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  When he discussed wearing a wire to a meeting with the President, that's when.

Who told you that? McCabe? Funny how everyone else in that meeting says that didn't happen, but I guess you're emotionally committed to Rod being a bad guy.

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  It was Rosenstein that recommended firing Comey,

That's sooooooooo deep-state.....  Helping give the President support for firing Comey (which they wanted to use for impeachment, remember?).  I at least give you credit for acknowledging he did that.

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and once Comey was fired, it became the pretense for the Mueller Investigation.

I know you wanted the investigation to stay in McCabe's hands, since you clearly think he's an above-the-board kind of guy, but I'm glad the investigation was taken away from him. This was a clutch move by Rosenstein...

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  Guess who appointed Mueller...Rosenstein.

Correct. I guess as the entire deep-state was collapsing on Trump, he had to make a clutch move and didn't have time for lengthy interviews and all that.

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  So he orchestrated the firing of Comey, to launce the Investigation with Mueller,

Oh wow.  You know Mueller took over the investigation that McCabe started, right? 

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that cost Billions and Years.

Billions? If that's true, then I admit to pleading ignorance on that. I thought it was ~$50mm or so...  I'll take your word for it, as long as you didn't hear it from your favorite impeachable source, Andrew McCabe...

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  Rosenstein wrote to Mueller that the POTUS(Boss) had no knowledge of their communications.

Excellent. The President has plausible deniability once the investigators became the investigated...

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  Now we know that Mueller had little to do with the Report,

Correct. It's almost as if that's what Rosenstein intended.

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so who do you think directed the Investigation?

Rod Rosenstein. That's why we have a report with no obstruction and no collusion.

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You are backing the Wrong Horse.

I guess you're right, since we now know the report was used against him for impeachment and had to go back to Mar-A-Lago and play golf.  What's your opinion so far on President Pence?

Obviously some strong feelings here but I do not care what he did in 1975.
IMHO he has no backbone and I would not wait for him to show up as support in a fight.  I actually would think he would more likely turn on someone for his own benefit.
Bill Clinton stuck his finger in the air to see which way the winds are blowing. We don't need that in the GOP.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 31, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
Obviously some strong feelings here but I do not care what he did in 1975.
IMHO he has no backbone and I would not wait for him to show up as support in a fight.  I actually would think he would more likely turn on someone for his own benefit.
Bill Clinton stuck his finger in the air to see which way the winds are blowing. We don't need that in the GOP.

You never followed Q, did you?

Quote from: carolina73 on October 31, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
Obviously some strong feelings here but I do not care what he did in 1975.

I have no feelings on the subject.

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IMHO he has no backbone and I would not wait for him to show up as support in a fight.  I actually would think he would more likely turn on someone for his own benefit.

You have absolutely no reason to think that, but that's fine.

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Bill Clinton stuck his finger in the air to see which way the winds are blowing. We don't need that in the GOP.

No  he didn't.  He showed a political face but continued to be a Marxist.

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2019, 03:57:25 PM
You never followed Q, did you?

Never heard of Q b4 this forum and unlike Democrats I do not believe anonymous sources. I actually believe my own common sense over most sources or I would be a Liberal Democrat since it seems obvious that they control the media. If you want to see Russian and Chinese propaganda then just put on CNN or NBC. If you want to globalists try to destroy America then just put on any of the business channels.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 31, 2019, 06:15:12 PM
Never heard of Q b4 this forum and unlike Democrats I do not believe anonymous sources. I actually believe my own common sense over most sources or I would be a Liberal Democrat since it seems obvious that they control the media. If you want to see Russian and Chinese propaganda then just put on CNN or NBC. If you want to globalists try to destroy America then just put on any of the business channels.

That's why we followed Q, he gave us the hidden truth the media refused to acknowledge, as well as markers to watch for in coming news releases. His posts are still relevant today and coming to fruition.

QuoteWho told you that? McCabe? You may think McCabe tells the truth, but I don't.

What?  You think Rosenstein tells the truth?  Amazing.
The FOIA provided documents that shows Rosenstein was complicit.  Even Trump says he lied.  From Gregg Jarrett:

On October 8, 2018, Rosenstein was invited aboard Air Force One to discuss the matter with Trump face-to-face. Here is what the president told me about their meeting:

JARRETT: Two witnesses who were in Rosen stein's office in the days after Comey was fired confirmed that he was serious about wearing a wire to secretly record you and recruiting cabinet members to remove you from office. You talked to him about it on Air Force One on the way to Florida. What did he say?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: He said it didn't happen. He said he never said it. What he told other people is that he was joking. But to me, he claimed he never said it.

JARRETT: Did you believe him?

PRESIDENT: I didn't really know what to believe.

JARRETT: Why did you keep him on as deputy attorney general?

PRESIDENT: Because I thought it would be bad to fire people in the middle of an investigation. And it turned out to be the right thing to do.

QuoteWho told you that? McCabe? Funny how everyone else in that meeting says that didn't happen, but I guess you're emotionally committed to Rod being a bad guy.

Nah, I don't need people to tell me what to believe.  Rosenstein had two stories.  Told Trump he never said it and told the Press he was Joking.  One of those, is a lie.  Others say it happened.  I don't believe I am the one making an emotional response.  I never got an insulting tone, with you.  Telling.

QuoteThat's sooooooooo deep-state.....  Helping give the President support for firing Comey (which they wanted to use for impeachment, remember?).  I at least give you credit for acknowledging he did that.

Regardless of your credit given, it is a fact that he recommended firing Comey, right?

QuoteI know you wanted the investigation to stay in McCabe's hands, since you clearly think he's an above-the-board kind of guy, but I'm glad the investigation was taken away from him. This was a clutch move by Rosenstein...

What you know about me, wouldn't fill a thimble.  In spite of your insults, I don't trust ANY of them.  NONE.  You trust Rosenstein.  Evidence shows he was complicit in the Coup attempt. Your snide attempts to discredit me for my opinion, means I will no longer entertain your Nonsense.  I have zero inborn need to gain your acceptance nor do I value your opinion enough to even give credence to your words.  Clearly, like those on the left, you try to silence unwanted opinions of those you disagree with.  Have a nice day.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 01, 2019, 06:52:02 AM
What?  You think Rosenstein tells the truth?  Amazing.

Show me evidence otherwise.

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The FOIA provided documents that shows Rosenstein was complicit.

Proof? (or is this accusation based off feelings?)

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  Even Trump says he lied.

No he didn't.

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  From Gregg Jarrett:

On October 8, 2018, Rosenstein was invited aboard Air Force One to discuss the matter with Trump face-to-face. Here is what the president told me about their meeting:

JARRETT: Two witnesses who were in Rosen stein's office in the days after Comey was fired confirmed that he was serious about wearing a wire to secretly record you and recruiting cabinet members to remove you from office. You talked to him about it on Air Force One on the way to Florida. What did he say?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: He said it didn't happen. He said he never said it. What he told other people is that he was joking. But to me, he claimed he never said it.

JARRETT: Did you believe him?

PRESIDENT: I didn't really know what to believe.

JARRETT: Why did you keep him on as deputy attorney general?

PRESIDENT: Because I thought it would be bad to fire people in the middle of an investigation. And it turned out to be the right thing to do.

McCabe is the only source for this narrative, unless you can produce another.  McCabe told 60 minutes that he and Rod had a deep conversation about the 25th Amendment, even as far as who in the cabinet they could get on board.  He then told Psycho Joe Scarborough that he didn't talk with Rod about that and it was all his deal.

The only source to this story is McCabe, who completely changed his story on two cable news shows.

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Nah, I don't need people to tell me what to believe.

Of course not. You have McCabe, who's under criminal investigation, caught lying multiple times, changed 302s, and just turned down a pre-indictment plea deal and breaks out in a flop sweat on camera when the topic of Durham comes up.

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  Rosenstein had two stories.  Told Trump he never said it and told the Press he was Joking.  One of those, is a lie.  Others say it happened.

NOBODY said it happened, except McCabe. I encourage you to prove otherwise.  Rosenstein did what we have all done a million times in our lives.  If I was asked if I ever said I was going to kill my sister, I'd say hell no!  If they rolled out a video and played it where I said "If you spill that Pepsi on my new seats I'm gonna' kill you!"  Yes, I actually said it, but it was sarcastic.  I didn't say it in the context presented.  Rosenstein's version is supported by EVERYONE in the meeting and understood as dismissive to McCabe and sarcastic.  Also, McCabe NEVER brought it up when he testified, and never brought it to the Attorney General.

It never happened, regardless of your feelings.

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  I don't believe I am the one making an emotional response.  I never got an insulting tone, with you. Telling.

I'm sorry for offending you.

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Regardless of your credit given, it is a fact that he recommended firing Comey, right?

Correct.

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What you know about me, wouldn't fill a thimble.

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QuoteIn spite of your insults, I don't trust ANY of them.  NONE.  You trust Rosenstein.

I don't trust anyone. I just go off the evidence, and I have seen no evidence of Rosenstein's supposed attempt to bring down the President.  Everything I have seen, and moreso in retrospect, and how Barr and Sessions have been treating him after retirement, and how even Trump gave him love at that dinner, shows he isn't the bad guy.  Rosenstein has been cool as a cucumber post-Mueller.  The other players have been in a panic.

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Evidence shows he was complicit in the Coup attempt.

Your feelings are not evidence. You haven't a shred of evidence he was complicit. I encourage you to provide some, beyond what McCabe tells you.

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Your snide attempts to discredit me for my opinion, means I will no longer entertain your Nonsense.

Translation: I can't support the narrative I bit into over the past year, so I'm going to play the victim card.

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  I have zero inborn need to gain your acceptance nor do I value your opinion enough to even give credence to your words.

I value yours if it were formed on some sort of evidence -- circumstantial or established.

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  Clearly, like those on the left, you try to silence unwanted opinions of those you disagree with.  Have a nice day.

Pretty sure I didn't silence anyone.  I just went two pages with Wally but he and I kept making our case, and neither he nor I cried.  But, here you go:

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If Trump trusted Sessions then he would give us a sign instead of disapproval for his running.

I have reasons to not trust Sessions including the fact that he took the job knowing he could not act in the best interest of the man he worked for. No I am not suggesting that he should have lied or cover up for him. I fully support Barr and I can't believe that he would lie or create any coverup for Trump.

Some of you obviously have reasons to trust him and even think highly of him. I do not understand why.He was only AG of AL for 2 years and spent half of it running for Senator.

Quote from: carolina73 on November 01, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
If Trump trusted Sessions then he would give us a sign instead of disapproval for his running.

A lot of stuff will be different by 2020.

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I have reasons to not trust Sessions including the fact that he took the job knowing he could not act in the best interest of the man he worked for. No I am not suggesting that he should have lied or cover up for him. I fully support Barr and I can't believe that he would lie or create any coverup for Trump.

I trust Sessions because of the incredible job he did as Attorney General.

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Some of you obviously have reasons to trust him and even think highly of him. I do not understand why.He was only AG of AL for 2 years and spent half of it running for Senator.

He did the dirty work and took a PR hit to set the stage for Barr.

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
A lot of stuff will be different by 2020.
I trust Sessions because of the incredible job he did as Attorney General.
He did the dirty work and took a PR hit to set the stage for Barr.

Jeff Sessions deserves a lot of credit.  He could talk the talk and walk the walk  His problem is that he couldn't walk and chew gum.  More than our President needed him to do what William Barr is now doing, our nation needed an Attorney General to do this job that Jeff Sessions felt he was incapable of doing.  In a way, Jeff Sessions is sort of like a Hero in a Greek Tragedy.  Donald Trump, on the other hand, is more like one of the God's of Olympus  I don't yet know if I would compare Trump to Zeus; then again, I'm merely a mortal man.

Quote from: wally on November 01, 2019, 01:35:30 PM
Jeff Sessions deserves a lot of credit.  He could talk the talk and walk the walk  His problem is that he couldn't walk and chew gum.  More than our President needed him to do what William Barr is now doing, our nation needed an Attorney General to do this job that Jeff Sessions felt he was incapable of doing.  In a way, Jeff Sessions is sort of like a Hero in a Greek Tragedy.  Donald Trump, on the other hand, is more like one of the God's of Olympus  I don't yet know if I would compare Trump to Zeus; then again, I'm merely a mortal man.

I just look at everything he did while AG and I can't buy into the narrative that he's ineffective or slow.  Being Attorney General isn't just the job of managing Spygate... Rod handled all that. Sessions started going after the leaks from day one.  I still don't understand why that's just overlooked and underappreciated.  Meanwhile, Trump was remaking the federal judiciary.  Those are two critical components that had to be in place.

Ha, I found this I wrote from last year...  it's crazy how time is flying by...

https://conservativehardliner.com/jeff-sessions-president-trumps-silent-executioner

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
Ha, I found this I wrote from last year...  it's crazy how time is flying by...

https://conservativehardliner.com/jeff-sessions-president-trumps-silent-executioner

Taxed, you seem to defend Jeff Sessions to the point that in your eyes he can do no wrong.  He accomplished a whole lot.  Now, William Barr can do the job that needed to be done three years ago.  This cancer has been allowed to grow to the point that it now threatens not only the President, but the future of our Republic.  Sessions wasn't alone in his failure to recognize this is far more than 'politics as usual' andthank God we now have an Attorney General who will use our nation's DOJ and FBI to get to the origins of the coup many of us now call Spygate.  If this coup isn't brought to justice, all Jeff Sessions did was to do a fantastic job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Quote from: wally on November 01, 2019, 02:03:04 PM
Taxed, you seem to defend Jeff Sessions to the point that in your eyes he can do no wrong.  He accomplished a whole lot.  Now, William Barr can do the job that needed to be done three years ago.  This cancer has been allowed to grow to the point that it now threatens not only the President, but the future of our Republic.  Sessions wasn't alone in his failure to recognize this is far more than 'politics as usual' andthank God we now have an Attorney General who will use our nation's DOJ and FBI to get to the origins of the coup many of us now call Spygate.  If this coup isn't brought to justice, all Jeff Sessions did was to do a fantastic job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Agree. If we had William Barr instead of Sessions to begin with then we would have no impeachment and would have properly exposed these scams from the left.

Imagine the horror show if Mueller had been given the AG job.

Quote from: wally on November 01, 2019, 02:03:04 PM
Taxed, you seem to defend Jeff Sessions to the point that in your eyes he can do no wrong.  He accomplished a whole lot.  Now, William Barr can do the job that needed to be done three years ago.  This cancer has been allowed to grow to the point that it now threatens not only the President, but the future of our Republic.  Sessions wasn't alone in his failure to recognize this is far more than 'politics as usual' andthank God we now have an Attorney General who will use our nation's DOJ and FBI to get to the origins of the coup many of us now call Spygate.  If this coup isn't brought to justice, all Jeff Sessions did was to do a fantastic job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It's more that I can appreciate the shitstorm he walked into.  Imagine the line out the door of people wanting to dish about Lynch, Comey, Holder, etc etc.  You can't operate an organization with leaks.  You can't catch the bad guys in the act if the DOJ is giving them a phone call telling them when to not be there.  The Clintons had control of the DOJ and Arkansas for decades.  How many times have the evaded justice and covered up crimes because they had the advantage of leaks?  That advantage had to be taken away.

I don't understand why those who think Sessions didn't do enough can't appreciate the full time job it must have been to hunt down leaks.  Check out an org chart of the DOJ sometime.  That was no walk in the park, and you have real-life spy games going on to hunt down the bad guys and double agents.  Plus, you walk in behind the eight ball into a counterintelligence investigation against you and the President.  Meanwhile, the intelligence agencies, GLOBALLY, are manufacturing a crime to take you down.

Forget about any other good stuff Sessions did that you may give him credit for (sanctuary cities, etc); if the ONLY thing he did was clean out the leakers from our Justice Department then he's one of the greatest AGs ever.  Again, Barr could not be doing what he's doing if information and grand jury info was leaking.  If you say Barr could have done that from the beginning, that's not true either.  That's a 2-3 year job.  It's too much for any human to handle long term, hence the historically high turnover.  Barr will probably be gone in 2021 and we'll have a third to take us to 2024, but thanks to Sessions doing the intial groundwork, and Barr getting the indictments to court, the third guy will have his role.

All the arguing seems silly to me. Doug Jones or Sessions?

Look, taxed.  I am not here to entertain you or your emotional responses.  He told Trump he never said it, then released a statement that he was joking, yet some of those some present dispute that.   Either way, what do you suppose?  Did he say it or not, or did he say he was joking when he said it.  One of those statements is a lie. 
I refuse to try to convince you of anything.  I have many more important things to be doing than to do research to provide you proof of anything.  If you want to be informed, fine, if not, I really do not care.  Rosenstein has been shown to be part of the Deep State.  EVERYONE at the top of the FBI and CIA are, otherwise, they wouldn't be there.  Obozo saw to that.
I am no victim.  I don't need to be.  I am confident in what I know, and if you don't believe it, cool.  All you have done is insult and snidely deny what is shown to you.  No, if there were evidence that Rosenstein plotted against Trump, he'd be gone.  But Trump himself said he did not know what to believe and gave the reason for not firing him, as being Trump's concern about firing him in the middle of the investigation.  Sure, he's been almost invisible since, not wanting to rock the proverbial vote.  And, given the inconsistencies in his statements, you cannot prove he ISN"T against Trump, either. 
If you must, continue attacking Conservatives for having a different opinion.  It is Telling.

I agree.  Arguing is silly.  I fully support Jeff Sessions returning to his former job as a great, Conservative, US Senator.  He will do a far better job as a member of the majority party in the Senate.  Congress has a whole lot of heavy lifting to do in President Trump's next term.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 02, 2019, 06:45:17 AM
Look, taxed.  I am not here to entertain you or your emotional responses.  He told Trump he never said it, then released a statement that he was joking, yet some of those some present dispute that.

Everyone disputes or doesn't support McCabe's version.  Rosenstein's version is supported, but continue spreading the false narrative that meeting participants said he said it seriously.

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   Either way, what do you suppose?  Did he say it or not, or did he say he was joking when he said it.  One of those statements is a lie.

To use my previous example, I never said I was going to kill my sister.  OK, I did say it, but it was in jest if she spills soda in my car.  He said it sarcastically to disparage McCabe, which others support.  The fact is you haven't spent the time on that aspect of the story and are just parroting McCabe's version.

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I refuse to try to convince you of anything.

Even if you tried, you'd need some data. I'm open to being convinced, but just parroting McCabe's version won't cut it.

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  I have many more important things to be doing than to do research to provide you proof of anything.

Yet you don't have more important things to do than parrot McCabe's story which he can't even get straight.

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  If you want to be informed, fine, if not, I really do not care.

You have proven you don't want to be informed. That's fine.

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  Rosenstein has been shown to be part of the Deep State.

Where? How?

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  EVERYONE at the top of the FBI and CIA are, otherwise, they wouldn't be there.  Obozo saw to that.
I am no victim.  I don't need to be.  I am confident in what I know, and if you don't believe it, cool.  All you have done is insult and snidely deny what is shown to you.  No, if there were evidence that Rosenstein plotted against Trump, he'd be gone.  But Trump himself said he did not know what to believe and gave the reason for not firing him, as being Trump's concern about firing him in the middle of the investigation.  Sure, he's been almost invisible since, not wanting to rock the proverbial vote.  And, given the inconsistencies in his statements, you cannot prove he ISN"T against Trump, either.

He hasn't been inconsistent.

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If you must, continue attacking Conservatives for having a different opinion.  It is Telling.

Opinions are fine, lies are not. If you parrot some leftist lies (McCabe, and his version, are supported by leftists trying to impeach Trump, FYI).  I will challenge a lie.

Quote from: wally on November 02, 2019, 06:45:35 AM
I agree.  Arguing is silly.  I fully support Jeff Sessions returning to his former job as a great, Conservative, US Senator.  He will do a far better job as a member of the majority party in the Senate.  Congress has a whole lot of heavy lifting to do in President Trump's next term.

I'm not sure I support him running...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

QuoteEveryone disputes or doesn't support McCabe's version.  Rosenstein's version is supported, but continue spreading the false narrative that meeting participants said he said it seriously.

Except President Trump:

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

QuoteTo use my previous example, I never said I was going to kill my sister.  OK, I did say it, but it was in jest if she spills soda in my car.  He said it sarcastically to disparage McCabe, which others support.  The fact is you haven't spent the time on that aspect of the story and are just parroting McCabe's version.

That is so much Bullshit.  Trump asked him, and he said he never said it.  THAT is a lie.  Now, you want me to ignore a lie, because
YOU say it was a jest.  C'mon man.  Get Real.  Prove he didn't mean it. 
Even if he didn't, a capable Intelligence man would never be caught dead, in something like this.  He's corrupt, and a crook.  When all this comes out, I hope you like the taste of crow.

QuoteEven if you tried, you'd need some data. I'm open to being convinced, but just parroting McCabe's version won't cut it.

Nope, Genius, you have no more data than I have.  The problem is that you trust the Establishment Elites, the same ones who wanna take down my President.  I parrot no one, Einstein, but at least I don't put my faith in a crummy political operative traitor.

QuoteYet you don't have more important things to do than parrot McCabe's story which he can't even get straight.

No, asshole, I believe my President.  At least I do not believe a known liar.  Talk about a parrot.

QuoteYou have proven you don't want to be informed. That's fine.
Where? How?

Where have you proven that I am not?  Oh son, I am informed it seems, a lot more than an establishment hack.

QuoteHe hasn't been inconsistent.

Whatever, child.

QuoteOpinions are fine, lies are not. If you parrot some leftist lies (McCabe, and his version, are supported by leftists trying to impeach Trump, FYI).  I will challenge a lie.

So, now you are calling me a liar.  Well son, you just lied.  You said you'd challenge a lie, but never challenged Rosenstein's lie that he never said he'd wear a wire.  If he was joking, why did he tell Trump he never said it?
You are a joke.

I don't nessecarily get what it should mean for conservatives if a person like Sessions would be a "never Trumper". Does it matter? I presume conservatives want to mainly promote right wing candidates and they even need a fair amount of them to prefferable get a majority in house and senate so every politician that wants to serve the cause would be good even if not perhaps nessecarily on best terms with some of the other conservatives. If conservative politicians would put personal disagreements asside to stand toghether behind the same conservative policy's or law propposals (as i think they typically would do) then it hardly matters.

So the idea is that even if a guy like Sessions is not pro Trump, likely he's going to support pretty much the same Policies Trump wants because ideologicly aligned.

Besides that... can i ask people here do they really consider Trump such a better conservative than Sessions? If you can choose between either and youre sure one is president, is it such a given Trump wins for the people here? Reading back it seems like Ted Cruz was rather popular here in the run up to the ellections, so wouldn't some then have preffered President Cruz even if he had been a "never trumper"?
(If for some reason certain people would not answer than publicly, pm is fine too.)

Quote from: TheFlemishDuck on November 03, 2019, 07:54:01 AM
I don't nessecarily get what it should mean for conservatives if a person like Sessions would be a "never Trumper". Does it matter? I presume conservatives want to mainly promote right wing candidates and they even need a fair amount of them to prefferable get a majority in house and senate so every politician that wants to serve the cause would be good even if not perhaps nessecarily on best terms with some of the other conservatives. If conservative politicians would put personal disagreements asside to stand toghether behind the same conservative policy's or law propposals (as i think they typically would do) then it hardly matters.

So the idea is that even if a guy like Sessions is not pro Trump, likely he's going to support pretty much the same Policies Trump wants because ideologicly aligned.

Besides that... can i ask people here do they really consider Trump such a better conservative than Sessions? If you can choose between either and youre sure one is president, is it such a given Trump wins for the people here? Reading back it seems like Ted Cruz was rather popular here in the run up to the ellections, so wouldn't some then have preffered President Cruz even if he had been a "never trumper"?
(If for some reason certain people would not answer than publicly, pm is fine too.)

You might be surprised to know that many here do not recognize Trump as a conservative. We recognize him as a patriot. Trump has never been a conservative, but does some conservative things. A "never Trumper" can be a conservative if they are a swamp dweller.

BTW, do you consider the TEA movement a party?

Quote from: tiny1 on November 02, 2019, 12:28:44 PM
Except President Trump:

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

Of course, you ignore the context. President Trump wasn't in the meeting, and the news reports at that time, that Trump brilliantly uses as a political hammer, was that Rosenstein did what you said he did.  That was before the participants in the meeting collaborated Rosenstein's account.  The fact remains, your belief that this happened hangs on the words of Andrew McCabe, who changed the story several times publicly.  But, sure, keep quoting and using out-of-context material to hold onto the point that Rosenstein was conspiring with McCabe to take down the President -- from whom he demoted and took the investigation and handed it to Mueller.  That must be some 5-D chess on Rosenstein's part in his deep-state quest to get the President impeached.

Quote
That is so much Bullshit.  Trump asked him, and he said he never said it.  THAT is a lie.  Now, you want me to ignore a lie, because
YOU say it was a jest.  C'mon man.  Get Real.  Prove he didn't mean it. 

I didn't say it was jest... I'm saying the people in the meeting said it was in jest.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/source-in-room-says-rosensteins-wire-comment-was-case-of-sarcasm

QuoteA source who was in the room during the meeting at which Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein reportedly talked about someone perhaps wearing "a wire" while meeting with President Trump tells Fox News the comment was "sarcastic."

The meeting in question took place at Main DOJ on May 16, 2017. This was one week after FBI Director James Comey was fired by the president, and one day before Special Counsel Mueller investigation was brought in to oversee an inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

Fox News has learned that the meeting in question included Rosenstein, Andrew McCabe, then the acting director of the FBI, and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, among several others.

Fox News' source said: "I remember this meeting and remember the wire comment. The statement was sarcastic and was never discussed with any intention of recording a conversation with the president."

"Andy [McCabe] and the DAG didn't really know each other," said the source, referring to the abbreviation for Rosenstein's post. "They were new to each other."

QuoteEven if he didn't, a capable Intelligence man would never be caught dead, in something like this.

What? Getting support from those in the meeting that he was being sarcastic? Also, if you're conspiring with someone to wear a wire to entrap the President, why would you subsequently demote that person and remove the investigation from him?  I'm having trouble following your leftist logic.

Quote
He's corrupt, and a crook.

The person you believe for the account has nobody supporting his story from the meeting, and is under criminal investigation and about to get indicted.  Rosenstein, the guy you think is a crook, is not.  I'll believe the guy who has made smart moves in this incredibly complicated situation.

Quote
  When all this comes out, I hope you like the taste of crow.

I still haven't finished my plate from after the Mueller report, when I got the same reply how crow will taste after Mueller's report shows Trump obstructed justice.

QuoteNope, Genius, you have no more data than I have.

Correct. We all have the same access to the same data.

QuoteThe problem is that you trust the Establishment Elites, the same ones who wanna take down my President.

Yeah, Rosenstein did a brilliant job with that.  He's got him right where he wants him now!

Quote
  I parrot no one, Einstein, but at least I don't put my faith in a crummy political operative traitor.

I didn't either.  I was back and forth on Rosenstein for a while.  I just didn't listen to what Hannity told me to think.  I did my own thinking.

Quote
No, asshole, I believe my President.  At least I do not believe a known liar.

Same here.  He picked the right guy for Deputy Attorney General.  You disagree with Trump and don't agree with his judgement on who he picked, but I do, and turned out to be right.

Quote
Talk about a parrot.Where have you proven that I am not?  Oh son, I am informed it seems, a lot more than an establishment hack.Whatever, child.So, now you are calling me a liar.  Well son, you just lied.  You said you'd challenge a lie, but never challenged Rosenstein's lie that he never said he'd wear a wire.  If he was joking, why did he tell Trump he never said it?
You are a joke.

I'm not the one who thinks Rosenstein conspired with Andy McCabe to take down the President by demoting him (McCabe) and handing the investigation to another guy immediately after that meeting where you say he (Rod) conspired with him (McCabe).  I guess I am the joke.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sessions-against-senate-run-alabama

Would the good people of Alabama  believe that he would not have revenge on Trump in mind? T

he Liberal MSM loves the idea.

I'd have to be a FOOL to ever trust Jeff Sessions again.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sessions-against-senate-run-alabama

Would the good people of Alabama  believe that he would not have revenge on Trump in mind? T

he Liberal MSM loves the idea.

No.  Sessions appointed Barr and Durham who is leading the criminal investigation.  Sessions will prove to be a white hat in the end.

Quote from: shhh on November 08, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
No.  Sessions appointed Barr and Durham who is leading the criminal investigation.  Sessions will prove to be a white hat in the end.

Agree!!! Post 3371

Q !!
Trust Sessions


Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q

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Taxed, all your Bafflegag and erroneous accusations aside, Rosenstein either LIED to Trump that he never said what he admitted saying, or he lied when he admitted it and claimed it to be a joke.  It was no Joke, IMO.  No one who was in the the "Community" when Obozo was POTUS can be trusted, without EXTREME vetting.  People who give conflicting answers are hiding something.  Sorry, tough to trust someone like him.
Rosenstein is not the Patriot you seem to think he is.  We'll just have to agree to disagree, until the IG and reports come out. 

Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
Agree!!! Post 3371

Q !!
Trust Sessions


Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q

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I wholeheartedly support Jeff Session's candidacy for the Senate.  (He would make a great replacement for Majority Leader, by the way). I do think that Sessions did some great work while he was Attorney General.  However, his fatal flaw was agreeing to recuse himself when his 'colleagues' in the Senate beat him up in a Kavanaugh style smearing and even his fellow weak kneed GOP Senators didn't come to his defense in a full throated repudiation of the Democrat's con game.  Good Old Jeff succumbed to the same tactics the coup is using to unseat President Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and now, AG Bill Barr. 

Jeff Sessions is an honorable man.  I like him and admire him very much.  However, it just ain't in the man to get down in the mud and wrestle with the stinking pigs.  He tried to remain above this and by so doing he allowed the hoax to grow to the point it has.  That doesn't make him a bad guy.  I simply makes him wrong for having make a tragic mistake.  Either Whitaker or Barr (as well as many others) could and would have done a better job as Attorney General.  In this regard, not only Jeff Sessions was wrong in recusing himself, but our President was wrong in not withdrawing his name when the Democrats bullied Sessions into saying he would recuse himself, during his confirmation.  Presidnet Trump has repeatedly made is crystal clear that he made a mistake in appointing Sessions and that he would have not appointed him if he had known that Sessions was going to recuse himself and not be able to perform key aspects of the job.  Think about Donald Trump as a CEO (or on his show, "The Apprentice"), he would never put someone in charge if he knew they couldn't do everything that had to be done.)  Again, this doesn't make Sessions a bed man or take away from what he was able to accomplish as AG.  It simply says that he was the wrong pick for this very important position at a time when our nation is in peril of being taken over by a radical coup.  He'll be far more effective in the Senate dealing with the politics!

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 07:08:39 AM
I wholeheartedly support Jeff Session's candidacy for the Senate.  (He would make a great replacement for Majority Leader, by the way). I do think that Sessions did some great work while he was Attorney General.  However, his fatal flaw was agreeing to recuse himself when his 'colleagues' in the Senate beat him up in a Kavanaugh style smearing and even his fellow weak kneed GOP Senators didn't come to his defense in a full throated repudiation of the Democrat's con game.  Good Old Jeff succumbed to the same tactics the coup is using to unseat President Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and now, AG Bill Barr. 

Jeff Sessions is an honorable man.  I like him and admire him very much.  However, it just ain't in the man to get down in the mud and wrestle with the stinking pigs.  He tried to remain above this and by so doing he allowed the hoax to grow to the point it has.  That doesn't make him a bad guy.  I simply makes him wrong for having make a tragic mistake.  Either Whitaker or Barr (as well as many others) could and would have done a better job as Attorney General.  In this regard, not only Jeff Sessions was wrong in recusing himself, but our President was wrong in not withdrawing his name when the Democrats bullied Sessions into saying he would recuse himself, during his confirmation.  Presidnet Trump has repeatedly made is crystal clear that he made a mistake in appointing Sessions and that he would have not appointed him if he had known that Sessions was going to recuse himself and not be able to perform key aspects of the job.  Think about Donald Trump as a CEO (or on his show, "The Apprentice"), he would never put someone in charge if he knew they couldn't do everything that had to be done.)  Again, this doesn't make Sessions a bed man or take away from what he was able to accomplish as AG.  It simply says that he was the wrong pick for this very important position at a time when our nation is in peril of being taken over by a radical coup.  He'll be far more effective in the Senate dealing with the politics!

As Q points out:
"Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q"

Think misdirection.

Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2019, 08:24:21 AM
As Q points out:
"Sometimes you need to 'take one for the team publicly' before you are vindicated as a hero.
Q"

Think misdirection.

I already consider Jeff Sessions as a hero, a white hat and a member of the team.  It doesn't mean that he was the right man for the right time for the right position when he took the Attorney General position.  On the other hand, since Donald Trump is a 3D chess player, perhaps Sessions was in on a two step process (or possibly there are more steps to come), where he was to set the table and Bill Barr was to then come in with the criminal investigations followed by prosecutions, followed by mass public executions on the Washington Mall!

Quote from: tiny1 on November 09, 2019, 07:06:54 AM
Taxed, all your Bafflegag and erroneous accusations aside, Rosenstein either LIED to Trump that he never said what he admitted saying, or he lied when he admitted it and claimed it to be a joke.

The only person who agrees with you is McCabe.

Quote
  It was no Joke, IMO.

It was a sarcastic, dismissive comment, according to the witnesses actually in the meeting.  McCabe also changed his story, and he's a liar who even leaked to the press and went after suboridnates for those leaks.  This guy is the worst of the worst, but sure, hold onto his version of events.

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  No one who was in the the "Community" when Obozo was POTUS can be trusted, without EXTREME vetting.

He wasn't "in the community".  He was appointed US Attorney of Maryland by Bush.  President Trump appointed him DAG a month before Comey was fired, i.e., he was not involved in any coup plot.

Quote
People who give conflicting answers are hiding something.  Sorry, tough to trust someone like him.

He didn't give a conflicting answer.

Quote
Rosenstein is not the Patriot you seem to think he is.  We'll just have to agree to disagree, until the IG and reports come out.

I'm not going to base Rosenstein's patriotism off what McCabe says. I'll leave that to you.

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 07:08:39 AM
However, his fatal flaw was agreeing to recuse himself when his 'colleagues' in the Senate beat him up in a Kavanaugh style smearing and even his fellow weak kneed GOP Senators didn't come to his defense in a full throated repudiation of the Democrat's con game.  Good Old Jeff succumbed to the same tactics the coup is using to unseat President Trump, Justice Kavanaugh and now, AG Bill Barr. 

Those people didn't have Kavanaugh under criminal investigation.  They had Sessions under criminal investigation.  Any chance you can make any logical argument as to why Sessions should not have recused himself?  You also have the benefit of hindsight when answering that.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
Trump trashed Sessions badly for a year before he canned him.

I have to believe that Sessions had his middle finger raised to the TV set when he watched Trump on TV.

is he really that small minded?

who knows. But if he really believes the way Trump and most conservatives believe, he will let it be water off a duck's back. Then again, i have seen enough of human nature to know that.. people do not often rise above their own petty little concerns, which means they care more about revenge than they do about the principles they claim to believe in...

Quote from: taxed on November 09, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
Those people didn't have Kavanaugh under criminal investigation.  They had Sessions under criminal investigation.  Any chance you can make any logical argument as to why Sessions should not have recused himself?  You also have the benefit of hindsight when answering that.

You are wrong. Sessions was not under any criminal investigation.  This was all before Mueller and it had to do with a Counter Intelligence Investigation.  Jeff Sessions was not accused of any crime. However, Comey and the Crossfire Hurricane cabal merely cast suspicion on him through their leaks of the 'Trumped Up" Steele Dossier.  Session's recusal only added to the suspicion. The message was, if he did nothing wrong, why would he recuse himself.  They must be right about him; ergo they must be right about what they say about Trump and the others.

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 12:39:31 PM
You are wrong. Sessions was not under any criminal investigation.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/03/22/wait-what-jeff-sessions-was-under-fbi-investigation-by-andrew-mccabe-n2463651

It seems so simple to me. Sessions  or  doug  jones. Dont care about anything else.

McCabe began his 'investigation' when he was appointed Acting FBI Director after Jim Comey was fired. Jeff Session was already the Attorney General and had already recused himself from anything having to do with Russia, the Clintons or the Campaign.  Had Sessions not recused himself, this pseudo 'investigation' would have never been cooked up.  Sessions was out of the loop.  As you know, now McCabe is under criminal investigation.

Quote from: wally on November 09, 2019, 01:35:31 PM
McCabe began his 'investigation' when he was appointed Acting FBI Director after Jim Comey was fired. Jeff Session was already the Attorney General and had already recused himself from anything having to do with Russia, the Clintons or the Campaign.  Had Sessions not recused himself, this pseudo 'investigation' would have never been cooked up.  Sessions was out of the loop.  As you know, now McCabe is under criminal investigation.

Nope.  March of 2017 (Comey was fired in May), from a congressional referral from the Dems over his testimony where they (the Dems) said he perjured himself (Sessions) when he said he had no contact with Russians.  Also, it was known that he was being spied on by intelligence agencies (he was part of the transition team).  This wasn't part of Crossfire Hurricane.

Rosenstein was not spied on, and was not involved in the coup plot.  It makes more sense why Trump picked a fellow Wharton School of Business alum to manage this thing before firing Comey.

Quote from: TheFlemishDuck on November 03, 2019, 07:54:01 AM
I don't nessecarily get what it should mean for conservatives if a person like Sessions would be a "never Trumper". Does it matter? I presume conservatives want to mainly promote right wing candidates and they even need a fair amount of them to prefferable get a majority in house and senate so every politician that wants to serve the cause would be good even if not perhaps nessecarily on best terms with some of the other conservatives. If conservative politicians would put personal disagreements asside to stand toghether behind the same conservative policy's or law propposals (as i think they typically would do) then it hardly matters.

So the idea is that even if a guy like Sessions is not pro Trump, likely he's going to support pretty much the same Policies Trump wants because ideologicly aligned.

Besides that... can i ask people here do they really consider Trump such a better conservative than Sessions? If you can choose between either and youre sure one is president, is it such a given Trump wins for the people here? Reading back it seems like Ted Cruz was rather popular here in the run up to the ellections, so wouldn't some then have preffered President Cruz even if he had been a "never trumper"?
(If for some reason certain people would not answer than publicly, pm is fine too.)

You really dont grasp the difference between RINOs and Conservatives, do you?