"With all my due diligence and in prayer, I am 100% running for RNC chairman against Ronna McDaniel," Lindell told Bannon. "It's going to change real fast. We're going to get our country right, really quick."
https://rumble.com/embed/v1v243o/?pub=jon1d
Might as well just set fire to the GOP if he wins.
Maybe he'll bring his PCAP data :rolleyes:
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 06:43:11 AMMight as well just set fire to the GOP if he wins.
Maybe he'll bring his PCAP data :rolleyes:
You'd rather have an entrenched politician? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 06:49:20 AMYou'd rather have an entrenched politician? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
I'd rather has a rational person who can help the GOP succeed.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 06:56:54 AMI'd rather has a rational person who can help the GOP succeed.
Like McCarthy? :puke :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 06:57:47 AMLike McCarthy? :puke :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
I don't know who is most likely to be successful in the position, but I have a pretty good feeling for who would not.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 06:59:21 AMI don't know who is most likely to be successful in the position, but I have a pretty good feeling for who would not.
No you don't, you know absolutely Zero about politics!
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 06:59:21 AMI don't know who is most likely to be successful in the position, but I have a pretty good feeling for who would not.
Sooo, you want more of the same old, same old, Capitulation Shit?(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FivkzFuWQAEs0Gw?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 07:03:55 AMNo you don't, you know absolutely Zero about politics!
I know that having crazy people representing your party probably isn't a good idea.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:11:42 AMI know that having crazy people representing your party probably isn't a good idea.
You mean like Fuglosi and Scummer, Biteme, Warnock, AOC? Shall I go on?
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 07:13:31 AMYou mean like Fuglosi and Scummer, Biteme, Warnock, AOC? Shall I go on?
I'm not saying that other people wouldn't also be bad for the position. I'm saying Lindell, who is actually running for the job, would not be good.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:18:29 AMI'm not saying that other people wouldn't also be bad for the position. I'm saying Lindell, who is actually running for the job, would not be good.
Because he hates communists as much as the rest of us?
Boy, you must have a huge nipple stuck to your boob tube. Everything you know comes from the left. Stop, and fucking think for yourself for a change!
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:18:29 AMI'm not saying that other people wouldn't also be bad for the position. I'm saying Lindell, who is actually running for the job, would not be good.
When a libtard says something like this it confirms to me that M.L. is just the man for the job. Thank you. Had you liked him and thought he was right for the job then......
Quote from: yrunvs on November 30, 2022, 07:27:16 AMWhen a libtard says something like this it confirms to me that M.L. is just the man for the job. Thank you. Had you liked him and thought he was right for the job then......
Yep, pretty good indicator...
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 07:20:59 AMBecause he hates communists as much as the rest of us?
Boy, you must have a huge nipple stuck to your boob tube. Everything you know comes from the left. Stop, and fucking think for yourself for a change!
I'm thinking for myself just fine and my thought is that having a crazy person representing the GOP is a recipe for failure.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:29:23 AMI'm thinking for myself just fine and my thought is that having a crazy person representing the GOP is a recipe for failure.
And the fact you don't care about the GOP screams leftist talking points.
You libs said the very same thing about Trump. Look how well that worked out. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 07:31:31 AMAnd the fact you don't care about the GOP screams leftist talking points.
You libs said the very same thing about Trump. Look how well that worked out. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
OR I
DO care about the GOP, which is why I don't want to see it burned to the ground by having a crazy person as RNC chair.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:32:57 AMOR I DO care about the GOP, which is why I don't want to see it burned to the ground by having a crazy person as RNC chair.
LIAR!!! If you truly cared, you'd want it torched as much as the rest of us! It must burn so patriots can rebuild it!!!
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:29:23 AMI'm thinking for myself just fine and my thought is that having a crazy person representing the GOP is a recipe for failure.
Crazy like a fox.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 06:43:11 AMMight as well just set fire to the GOP if he wins.
Maybe he'll bring his PCAP data :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: of course the one letist would take the position AGAINST MAGA.
Sorry but America First is populist in the sense that it entails the majority of americans.
You just dont grasp the fact that the GOP grows more popular with independents and moderate dems the more MAGA it becomes.
America LOVES trump, MAGA, and America First.
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 07:34:29 AMLIAR!!! If you truly cared, you'd want it torched as much as the rest of us! It must burn so patriots can rebuild it!!!
If Lindell is RNC chair, I don't believe there's a party to rebuild. If you want to destroy the GOP and start an entirely new party, then put him as chair. Lindell is a clown. He will not create a scenario for rebuilding. He will very likely make the GOP irrelevant.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 06:56:54 AMI'd rather has a rational person who can help the GOP succeed.
Can you prove lindell is irrational? Any evidence?
I have proof he is rational. He can look at the proof that the election was stolen and come to that conclusion, proving he can think with his brain.
Do you have any evidence to counter? Go ahead.....
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:11:42 AMI know that having crazy people representing your party probably isn't a good idea.
If you are gonna use ad hominems on lindell you better have some evidence or proof of your attacks....anything?....Any proof that lindell is crazy?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:18:29 AMI'm not saying that other people wouldn't also be bad for the position. I'm saying Lindell, who is actually running for the job, would not be good.
Why?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:29:23 AMI'm thinking for myself just fine and my thought is that having a crazy person representing the GOP is a recipe for failure.
But you didnt decide he was crazy on your own because there is no evidence of that. You only think that because the news told you so and you listen to them.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:42:34 AMIf Lindell is RNC chair, I don't believe there's a party to rebuild. If you want to destroy the GOP and start an entirely new party, then put him as chair. Lindell is a clown. He will not create a scenario for rebuilding. He will very likely make the GOP irrelevant.
Why cant you admit that MAGA is the future of america?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 07:42:34 AMIf Lindell is RNC chair, I don't believe there's a party to rebuild. If you want to destroy the GOP and start an entirely new party, then put him as chair. Lindell is a clown. He will not create a scenario for rebuilding. He will very likely make the GOP irrelevant.
So show us your proof outside of leftist opinion pieces. You can't, you have nothing!
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 07:46:31 AMWhy cant you admit that MAGA is the future of america?
The idea scares the literal shit out of them. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 07:43:17 AMCan you prove lindell is irrational? Any evidence?
I have proof he is rational. He can look at the proof that the election was stolen and come to that conclusion, proving he can think with his brain.
Do you have any evidence to counter? Go ahead.....
When do you think he's going to release the CPAC
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 07:48:21 AMSo show us your proof outside of leftist opinion pieces. You can't, you have nothing!
Obviously. You don't know if he'd be successful. I don't know if he'd be a failure. This forum wouldn't be very exciting if nobody gave their opinion.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 08:00:28 AMWhen do you think he's going to release the CPACObviously. You don't know if he'd be successful. I don't know if he'd be a failure. This forum wouldn't be very exciting if nobody gave their opinion.
CPAC? Conservative Political Action Committee?
No, I know a toddler could do a better job than these traitorous RINO! Mike is my pick unless a better Conservative comes along.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 08:00:28 AMWhen do you think he's going to release the CPACObviously. You don't know if he'd be successful. I don't know if he'd be a failure. This forum wouldn't be very exciting if nobody gave their opinion.
Thats a lie, just look at the previous previous page. You def were pushing the idea that he would be a failure and now you are backing off and saying no one can know. You are too obvious. I dont even know why they keep sending you people. But we are glad they do :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 08:03:04 AMCPAC? Conservative Political Action Committee?
No, I know a toddler could do a better job than these traitorous RINO! Mike is my pick unless a better Conservative comes along.
RINOs are enemies of the state, communist agents working to destroy america. Just like the news media. Why is he willfully ignoring reality and treating them like americans?
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 08:25:36 AMRINOs are enemies of the state, communist agents working to destroy america. Just like the news media. Why is he willfully ignoring reality and treating them like americans?
He loves communist Big Govt? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 08:22:55 AMThats a lie, just look at the previous previous page. You def were pushing the idea that he would be a failure and now you are backing off and saying no one can know. You are too obvious. I dont even know why they keep sending you people. But we are glad they do :biggrin:
It is quite literally impossible to know if he'd be a success or failure. My strong opinion is that he'd be a failure.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 08:34:09 AMIt is quite literally impossible to know if he'd be a success or failure. My strong opinion is that he'd be a failure.
In truth you want the traitor McCarthy because you know he'll betray the Patriot base.
You are so legible...
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 08:44:31 AMIn truth you want the traitor McCarthy because you know he'll betray the Patriot base.
You are so legible...
what have i ever said that would lead you to believe I want McCarthy?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 08:58:57 AMwhat have i ever said that would lead you to believe I want McCarthy?
The thread is about eliminating McCarthy, and you ask stupid questions by posting this shit?
Quote"I know that having crazy people representing your party probably isn't a good idea."
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 09:01:57 AMThe thread is about eliminating McCarthy, and you ask stupid questions by posting this shit?
I've said absolutely nothing in support of McCarthy. All I've said is that I think Lindell is a horrible option. I
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 09:18:57 AMI've said absolutely nothing in support of McCarthy. All I've said is that I think Lindell is a horrible option. I
The fact that you attack his opponent is evidence enough you want the status quo.
No one is buying you BS!
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 09:20:51 AMThe fact that you attack his opponent is evidence enough you want the status quo.
No one is buying you BS!
Well, I'm not buying your BS of trying to put words in my mouth. For someone who claims to be all about honesty, you certainly don't seem to be very honest.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 09:28:41 AMWell, I'm not buying your BS of trying to put words in my mouth. For someone who claims to be all about honesty, you certainly don't seem to be very honest.
I didn't, I simply posted your words. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 09:33:10 AMI didn't, I simply posted your words. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Great. Where did I say I supported McCarthy?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 09:35:43 AMGreat. Where did I say I supported McCarthy?
Even a 7 year old could deduce what you attempted.
So tell us, oh right winger, who would you suggest?
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 09:37:34 AMEven a 7 year old could deduce what you attempted.
So tell us, oh right winger, who would you suggest?
Good, I'm glad we agree that I said
NOTHING in support of McCarthy. Absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 09:40:25 AMGood, I'm glad we agree that I said NOTHING in support of McCarthy. Absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:
Your attack on his challenger say's it all. Why didn't you answer my question?
Why? Because you know nothing about the patriot Base and those they want seated. That's why...
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 08:34:09 AMIt is quite literally impossible to know if he'd be a success or failure. My strong opinion is that he'd be a failure.
See, you are lying in the same sentence. You are being intelectually dishonest. You are acting like opinions are not based in reality and that reality is subjective.
In reality either you dont know if he is a success or failure or you do. You are trying to have it both ways, by saying you cant know but you do know :lol: :lol: :lol: your opinion is what you know :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 08:58:57 AMwhat have i ever said that would lead you to believe I want McCarthy?
The fact that you dont want to get rid of him. You fail over and over to acknowledge the black and white dichotomy of reality. If you are not against mccarthy you are for him, thats the way logical thinking works. You are trying to be a fence sitter and act like you have the option to not make a choice, but that in itself is a choice. As if not voting in an election wasnt still in effect voting :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 09:58:36 AMThe fact that you dont want to get rid of him. You fail over and over to acknowledge the black and white dichotomy of reality. If you are not against mccarthy you are for him, thats the way logical thinking works. You are trying to be a fence sitter and act like you have the option to not make a choice, but that in itself is a choice. As if not voting in an election wasnt still in effect voting :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fence sitter? More like a post turtle finding it hard to get out of the position he put himself in.
He's said nothing about McCarthy's failings, yet knows Lindell is worse? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 09:28:41 AMWell, I'm not buying your BS of trying to put words in my mouth. For someone who claims to be all about honesty, you certainly don't seem to be very honest.
Your the one trying to act like being for one side isnt being against the other 😂
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 09:40:25 AMGood, I'm glad we agree that I said NOTHING in support of McCarthy. Absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:
No one said you put it into words. This is the problem with libbies, they dont know how to read between the lines. They care more about the literal words than the implied meaning behind them. No wonder they get everything wrong :lol:
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 10:01:52 AM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fence sitter? More like a post turtle finding it hard to get out of the position he put himself in.
He's said nothing about McCarthy's failings, yet knows Lindell is worse? :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 10:04:11 AMNo one said you put it into words. This is the problem with libbies, they dont know how to read between the lines. They care more about the literal words than the implied meaning behind them. No wonder they get everything wrong :lol:
:biggrin:
Translation: They think we're as stupid and gullible as they are.
Quote from: T Hunt on November 30, 2022, 10:03:13 AMYour the one trying to act like being for one side isnt being against the other 😂
Because it's not. If I don't like Chevrolet, that doesn't mean I automatically like Ford, right? :rolleyes:
If you had a choice between a ford or a chevy and you condemn the chevy....well i would say you're in favor of the ford right?
Quote from: yrunvs on November 30, 2022, 12:35:17 PMIf you had a choice between a ford or a chevy and you condemn the chevy....well i would say you're in favor of the ford right?
Excellent point...
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 09:42:26 AMYour attack on his challenger say's it all. Why didn't you answer my question?
Why? Because you know nothing about the patriot Base and those they want seated. That's why...
I was attacking lindell because I think he is a nut. If McCarthy never existed on this planet, I would still think lindell is a nut and a dumpster fire if he is the RNC chair. Again, I have not said a word about McCarthy so stop putting words in my mouth. I know virtually nothing about McCarthy and probably never will. In fact, before the past few days, I couldn't have told you who the current RNC chair was if you put a gun to my head.
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 03:42:11 PMI was attacking lindell because I think he is a nut. If McCarthy never existed on this planet, I would still think lindell is a nut and a dumpster fire if he is the RNC chair. Again, I have not said a word about McCarthy so stop putting words in my mouth. I know virtually nothing about McCarthy and probably never will. In fact, before the past few days, I couldn't have told you who the current RNC chair was if you put a gun to my head.
Which is why you're getting ridiculed! You have yet to explain what the issue is with Lindell, yet somehow you're trying to tell us, the Conservative base, that he's better than McCarthy, a guy who has sold out the base since his tenure in office?
I asked you earlier what the problem is with Lindell, and all I get is more whining.
Oh wait, he backed Trump. So your TDS kicks in like that of any knee jerk lib. Why is that?
What is it you hate about making our country better, do you hate lower taxes, paying less for food, gas, electricity, or do you miss the leftist riots?
Why do you hate this country so much?
Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2022, 04:49:49 PMWhich is why you're getting ridiculed! You have yet to explain what the issue is with Lindell, yet somehow you're trying to tell us, the Conservative base, that he's better than McCarthy, a guy who has sold out the base since his tenure in office?
I asked you earlier what the problem is with Lindell, and all I get is more whining.
Oh wait, he backed Trump. So your TDS kicks in like that of any knee jerk lib. Why is that?
What is it you hate about making our country better, do you hate lower taxes, paying less for food, gas, electricity, or do you miss the leftist riots?
Why do you hate this country so much?
The hyperbole and demonizing is just too much....
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 05:52:01 PMThe hyperbole and demonizing is just too much....
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Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 03:42:11 PMI was attacking lindell because I think he is a nut. If McCarthy never existed on this planet, I would still think lindell is a nut and a dumpster fire if he is the RNC chair. Again, I have not said a word about McCarthy so stop putting words in my mouth. I know virtually nothing about McCarthy and probably never will. In fact, before the past few days, I couldn't have told you who the current RNC chair was if you put a gun to my head.
But you have yet to show any facts or evidence to support this claim that he is crazy or a nut. Even opinions have to be backed up with facts. You dont get to find a loophole where you can say something and not have to back it up with facts and evidence.
So do you have any facts or evidence to support that lindell is nuts or crazy?
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 05:52:01 PMThe hyperbole and demonizing is just too much....
Quote from: ZenMode on November 30, 2022, 05:52:01 PMThe hyperbole and demonizing is just too much....
QuoteWhich is why you're getting ridiculed! You have yet to explain what the issue is with Lindell, yet somehow you're trying to tell us, the Conservative base, that he's better than McCarthy, a guy who has sold out the base since his tenure in office?
I asked you earlier what the problem is with Lindell, and all I get is more whining.
Oh wait, he backed Trump. So your TDS kicks in like that of any knee jerk lib. Why is that?
So that's it, you can't explain your issues with Lindell?
Come on, you're a big boy, Right, RIGHT?....
Click the link.
McCarthy pulling a Paul Ryan Omnibus Bill scam. And people think this slime ball should be Speaker? :cursing:
You'll probably have to click the link, but it's short and full of Marxist BS from the Establishment RINO.
https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ynKOameaanJR
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2022, 07:59:39 AMSo that's it, you can't explain your issues with Lindell?
Come on, you're a big boy, Right, RIGHT?....
he's a loon. There are legitimate ways that the 2020 election could have been illegally impacted. Lindell just seems to fall for all of the nuttiest ones, like the PCAP data hoax.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 01, 2022, 10:16:18 AMhe's a loon. There are legitimate ways that the 2020 election could have been illegally impacted. Lindell just seems to fall for all of the nuttiest ones, like the PCAP data hoax.
Not to go off topic, but you mentioned moderates/independents deciding the vote.
I wanted to expand on that for a moment.
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https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/ipsos-core-political-presidential-approval-tracker-11232022
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2022, 11:50:58 AMNot to go off topic, but you mentioned moderates/independents deciding the vote.
I wanted to expand on that for a moment.
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https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/ipsos-core-political-presidential-approval-tracker-11232022
yep. Unhappiness with a number of things, including general direction, is why the red wave was expected.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 01, 2022, 12:12:36 PMyep. Unhappiness with a number of things, including general direction, is why the red wave was expected.
My point is, there really aren't that many middle of the road anymore, most have chosen a side.
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2022, 12:14:33 PMMy point is, there really aren't that many middle of the road anymore, most have chosen a side.
I think peoples' minds change depending on who's in power and how good/bad things are.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 01, 2022, 12:48:48 PMI think peoples' minds change depending on who's in power and how good/bad things are.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ya Think?
The DNC is doing all they can to destroy the country. I "Think" it's safe to say, without theft, the DNC is dead !
Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2022, 12:50:51 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ya Think?
The DNC is doing all they can to destroy the country. I "Think" it's safe to say, without theft, the DNC is dead !
I was saying minds change from election to election for a lot of voters. I believe there are lots of voters who move between parties.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 01, 2022, 05:56:40 PMI was saying minds change from election to election for a lot of voters. I believe there are lots of voters who move between parties.
Maybe, that was true 10 or 14 years ago, but the sides have quickly polarized and after the Dems are exposed as literal traitors (along with a large number of Reps, there won't be a Democratic party left to swing to....if anyone would even want to once the dust settles.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 01, 2022, 05:56:40 PMI was saying minds change from election to election for a lot of voters. I believe there are lots of voters who move between parties.
No thats...completely bass ackwards....
That shows a real ignorance of the current political climate and a lack of observational skills.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 01, 2022, 05:56:40 PMI was saying minds change from election to election for a lot of voters. I believe there are lots of voters who move between parties.
There is but one party, the Uniparty! People are not that stupid anymore!
These two work toward one goal, that of a NWO.
Come on, tell you me you aren't that gullible? The left is Hell bent on ripping off our treasury while collapsing the dollar and selling us out to our enemies, and the GOP's job is to cover for them.
Look up todays Omnibus Bill, McCON-ell is fighting with the Base and refusing to work with his commie ass.
Quote from: Solar on December 02, 2022, 04:32:13 AMThere is but one party, the Uniparty! People are not that stupid anymore!
These two work toward one goal, that of a NWO.
Come on, tell you me you aren't that gullible? The left is Hell bent on ripping off our treasury while collapsing the dollar and selling us out to our enemies, and the GOP's job is to cover for them.
Look up todays Omnibus Bill, McCON-ell is fighting with the Base and refusing to work with his commie ass.
He seems to be falling for the centrism fallacy, the myth that centrists hold all the power in elections. He thinks that both sides of the aisle are morally equivalent, that both sides are wrong. He thinks centrists have the moral and intellectual high ground. In other words he has a strong prejudice and bias towards centrism and against either side. This is also a fallacy because the left always used these so called faux centrists as useful idiots to advance their side. Trump stole most of them back tho, seems a few still live in their delusion.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 07:20:36 AMHe seems to be falling for the centrism fallacy, the myth that centrists hold all the power in elections. He thinks that both sides of the aisle are morally equivalent, that both sides are wrong. He thinks centrists have the moral and intellectual high ground. In other words he has a strong prejudice and bias towards centrism and against either side. This is also a fallacy because the left always used these so called faux centrists as useful idiots to advance their side. Trump stole most of them back tho, seems a few still live in their delusion.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Nailed it!
Every fence sitter I've ever know had a elitist front, they thought themselves as somehow better than others.
As if not taking a stance on any given issue was somehow superior. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on December 02, 2022, 04:32:13 AMThere is but one party, the Uniparty! People are not that stupid anymore!
These two work toward one goal, that of a NWO.
Come on, tell you me you aren't that gullible? The left is Hell bent on ripping off our treasury while collapsing the dollar and selling us out to our enemies, and the GOP's job is to cover for them.
Look up todays Omnibus Bill, McCON-ell is fighting with the Base and refusing to work with his commie ass.
I think the majority of the country still
believes there are two distinct parties. How different they actually are is up for debate.
Quote from: Solar on December 02, 2022, 07:27:50 AM:lol: :lol: :lol:
Nailed it!
Every fence sitter I've ever know had a elitist front, they thought themselves as somehow better than others.
As if not taking a stance on any given issue was somehow superior. :rolleyes:
Thats it exactly, an elitist front. They think those who pick a side are using emotion to reach their decision and think both sides lie equally.
Im glad my high school government teacher made fence sitting against the rules and made us not only all take a side but to defend that side too, and sometimes she made us take the opposite side we agreed with so we would research and understand them.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 07:34:25 AMI think the majority of the country still believes there are two distinct parties. How different they actually are is up for debate.
So you admit, there is no difference.
No, only the ignorant think there's two party's.
But let's compare, shall we?
Both hate Trump, both helping push CRT, allowed the antifa and BLM bull shit to go unimpeded, both want open borders, both pushed the Covid lie that destroyed small business over keeping big box Crony capitalist stores open.
I could go on, but I see no need.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 07:34:25 AMI think the majority of the country still believes there are two distinct parties. How different they actually are is up for debate.
That is the point. Yes we know there is a place to check off republican or democrat on the ballot, but in reality, in some cases, it does not matter who you vote for. Look at it this way, we have too many republicans in congress that if you just look at the voting record, it would be hard to know if that person was a republican or a democrat. When the democrats were pushing Jackson for SCOTUS they had no problem getting republicans to vote for her even though she is radical leftist. Point being, you should know who the republicans are by how they vote and what they stand for.
Quote from: Solar on December 02, 2022, 07:39:07 AMSo you admit, there is no difference.
No, only the ignorant think there's two party's.
But let's compare, shall we?
Both hate Trump, both helping push CRT, allowed the antifa and BLM bull shit to go unimpeded, both want open borders, both pushed the Covid lie that destroyed small business over keeping big box Crony capitalist stores open.
I could go on, but I see no need.
I think it still needs to be pointed out that there are still two ideologies around, the elites/poor vs the middle class majority. Basically Americanism vs antiamericanism.
You could also say that its the Leaders of both parties vs the Voters of both parties.
The two party system is an illusion of the elites/poor.
Quote from: Possum on December 02, 2022, 07:43:21 AMThat is the point. Yes we know there is a place to check off republican or democrat on the ballot, but in reality, in some cases, it does not matter who you vote for. Look at it this way, we have too many republicans in congress that if you just look at the voting record, it would be hard to know if that person was a republican or a democrat. When the democrats were pushing Jackson for SCOTUS they had no problem getting republicans to vote for her even though she is radical leftist. Point being, you should know who the republicans are by how they vote and what they stand for.
The sheep constantly make the mistake of judging politicians based on their words and not their actions.
Quote from: Possum on December 02, 2022, 07:43:21 AMThat is the point. Yes we know there is a place to check off republican or democrat on the ballot, but in reality, in some cases, it does not matter who you vote for. Look at it this way, we have too many republicans in congress that if you just look at the voting record, it would be hard to know if that person was a republican or a democrat. When the democrats were pushing Jackson for SCOTUS they had no problem getting republicans to vote for her even though she is radical leftist. Point being, you should know who the republicans are by how they vote and what they stand for.
I don't disagree that the actual differences between the two parties are minimal. However, as far as elections go, many center people, like me, still shift between parties when deciding who to vote for.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 07:47:55 AMI think it still needs to be pointed out that there are still two ideologies around, the elites/poor vs the middle class majority. Basically Americanism vs antiamericanism.
You could also say that its the Leaders of both parties vs the Voters of both parties.
The two party system is an illusion of the elites/poor.
True!
First the elites destroy the middle class, making everyone poor, in turn creating a new victim class.
Then this new and huge jealous victim class demand change while being pitted against the dwindling middle class.
But who will save the new victims? Drum Rolllll......
"The New communists"!History proves out, this is the end result of "Divide and Conquer". Plans a century in the making...
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 07:54:33 AMI don't disagree that the actual differences between the two parties are minimal. However, as far as elections go, many center people, like me, still shift between parties when deciding who to vote for.
Good to see you at least admit to being a gullible lib. This is the first step in recovery.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 07:54:33 AMI don't disagree that the actual differences between the two parties are minimal. However, as far as elections go, many center people, like me, still shift between parties when deciding who to vote for.
But in too many cases you have the choice of democrat liberal or rino liberal, and that is the point.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 07:36:20 AMThats it exactly, an elitist front. They think those who pick a side are using emotion to reach their decision and think both sides lie equally.
Im glad my high school government teacher made fence sitting against the rules and made us not only all take a side but to defend that side too, and sometimes she made us take the opposite side we agreed with so we would research and understand them.
My wife asks me if I have emotions... :bigl :bigl :bigl
Boy, those days are long gone. :sneaky:
See how not teaching, has created an entire generation of Zens...
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 07:54:33 AMI don't disagree that the actual differences between the two parties are minimal. However, as far as elections go, many center people, like me, still shift between parties when deciding who to vote for.
Called it! You claim the mantle of centrism like a crown.
But the thing is I will trust your actions more than your words, and the positions you have defended or endorsed here on this channel prove you are quite far to the left according to America's Overton Window. You may think you are a centrist and claim you are with your mouth but your actions prove you are not.
You are most likely a leftist who is just got thrown out of the dem party for not being radical fringe enough. Tim pool is far more of a centrist than you are.
Quote from: Solar on December 02, 2022, 07:54:54 AMTrue!
First the elites destroy the middle class, making everyone poor, in turn creating a new victim class.
Then this new and huge jealous victim class demand change while being pitted against the dwindling middle class.
But who will save the new victims? Drum Rolllll...... "The New communists"!
History proves out, this is the end result of "Divide and Conquer". Plans a century in the making...
Thats the big difference between the old commies and the new. The old ones from russia and china were all about an immediate
revolution. The commies in america have been slowly bringing about an
evolution. Thats why they have been able to make such in roads, thru secrecy.
However their kids were not raised with this patience and reverted to the give me give me attitude of the old commies and have now dropped the ball and lost the plan.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 08:44:22 AMThats the big difference between the old commies and the new. The old ones from russia and china were all about an immediate revolution. The commies in america have been slowly bringing about an evolution. Thats why they have been able to make such in roads, thru secrecy.
However their kids were not raised with this patience and reverted to the give me give me attitude of the old commies and have now dropped the ball and lost the plan.
Yep, and this is why I've been ranting about Fabian Socialists all these years.
The DNC adopted their idea of simply infiltrating corporate America, while wearing the flag.
We're living the results of Fabian Socialist Society.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 08:38:26 AMCalled it! You claim the mantle of centrism like a crown.
Really? Where?
QuoteBut the thing is I will trust your actions more than your words, and the positions you have defended or endorsed here on this channel prove you are quite far to the left according to America's Overton Window. You may think you are a centrist and claim you are with your mouth but your actions prove you are not.
What are my far Left views? I definitely have some far left views, particularly when it comes to gun ownership and free speech, but I'm not aware of any far left views.
QuoteYou are most likely a leftist who is just got thrown out of the dem party for not being radical fringe enough. Tim pool is far more of a centrist than you are.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 08:48:20 AMReally? Where?
What are my far Left views? I definitely have some far left views, particularly when it comes to gun ownership and free speech, but I'm not aware of any far left views.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 08:48:20 AMReally? Where?
What are my far Left views? I definitely have some far left views, particularly when it comes to gun ownership and free speech, but I'm not aware of any far left views.
Typical lib.
Quote from: Possum on December 02, 2022, 09:00:13 AMTypical lib.
I meant far Right views, not left. I'm very pro gun and pro free speech.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 09:03:05 AMI meant far Right views, not left. I'm very pro gun and pro free speech.
No you arent liar! You have been very against kanyes free speech!
Quote from: Solar on December 02, 2022, 08:47:57 AMYep, and this is why I've been ranting about Fabian Socialists all these years.
The DNC adopted their idea of simply infiltrating corporate America, while wearing the flag.
We're living the results of Fabian Socialist Society.
I need to look into them more...
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 09:41:23 AMI need to look into them more...
I have a lot in the library on them.
https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/library/fabian-societhy/
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 09:40:39 AMNo you arent liar! You have been very against kanyes free speech!
Freedom of Speech works both way, buddy. Kanye can say whatever he wants and people can say whatever they want in response. Kanye, should he be so inclined, could legally stand on a street corner and express his anti-semitic/pro-hitler views all day, every day.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 08:48:20 AMReally? Where?
Here and here...
Quote"I was saying minds change from election to election for a lot of voters. I believe there are lots of voters who move between parties."
"I don't disagree that the actual differences between the two parties are minimal. However, as far as elections go, many center people, like me, still shift between parties when deciding who to vote for."
QuoteWhat are my far Left views? I definitely have some far left views, particularly when it comes to gun ownership and free speech, but I'm not aware of any far left views.
Im struggling to think of a single time you didnt defend the medias position on something here...
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 09:47:40 AMFreedom of Speech works both way, buddy. Kanye can say whatever he wants and people can say whatever they want in response. Kanye, should he be so inclined, could legally stand on a street corner and express his anti-semitic/pro-hitler views all day, every day.
Now you are moving the goalposts. No one is saying no one can speak their own opinions of kanyes opinions. But you are trying to get kanye canceled and for everyone to shut off his voice and label him a nut.
Do you see how taking a part in cancel culture is the opposite of holding to the principle of free speech?
We want him free to speak his mind, you want him silenced and condemned.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 02, 2022, 09:57:36 AMNow you are moving the goalposts. No one is saying no one can speak their own opinions of kanyes opinions. But you are trying to get kanye canceled and for everyone to shut off his voice and label him a nut.
Do you see how taking a part in cancel culture is the opposite of holding to the principle of free speech?
We want him free to speak his mind, you want him silenced and condemned.
I fully support Kanye's right to say whatever he wants. I would have a HUGE issue if the government tried to stop him, or anyone else, from saying whatever he wants.
There's a fine line between cancel culture and doing things that ruin your career. If Kanye came out in full support of pedophilia, and people quit coming to his concerts and buying his albums, is that cancel culture or is it simply not supporting someone with abhorrent views?
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 09:47:40 AMFreedom of Speech works both way, buddy. Kanye can say whatever he wants and people can say whatever they want in response. Kanye, should he be so inclined, could legally stand on a street corner and express his anti-semitic/pro-hitler views all day, every day.
Learn what freedom of speech means.
Quote from: Possum on December 02, 2022, 11:51:31 AMLearn what freedom of speech means.
I know what it means. You're confusing freedom of speech with freedom from consequences of your speech.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 12:23:49 PMI know what it means. You're confusing freedom of speech with freedom from consequences of your speech.
You're right, I misread what you had wrote. it happens.
My bad on the title. I meant Screw McCarthy, we're taking over the RNC, which lead many to think he was running for speaker.
Lindell is running to replace Ronna Romney, Mittens' Daughter, the bitch has worked tirelessly to promote the Establishment.
Anyway, Lindell has a great shot at ending the RNC as we know it.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 12:23:49 PMI know what it means. You're confusing freedom of speech with freedom from consequences of your speech.
The govt doesnt get to impose consequences on speech.
Quote from: ZenMode on December 02, 2022, 10:03:02 AMI fully support Kanye's right to say whatever he wants. I would have a HUGE issue if the government tried to stop him, or anyone else, from saying whatever he wants.
If thats the case then what are you bitching about here?
QuoteIf Kanye came out in full support of pedophilia, and people quit coming to his concerts and buying his albums, is that cancel culture or is it simply not supporting someone with abhorrent views?
Thats the free market, so long as each person is making that decision on their own and not part of some smear campaign like the left is trying to do to kanye. Once lies and concerted ideological attacks become part of it it ceases to be the free market speaking.
Its one thing for individual people to choose to ignore him, its another thing entirely for big business to bow to activists' social pressures.
But kanye losing supporters is not whats happening. We are seeing his popularity grow. The only people complaining are the anti trumpers for some reason. I guess they are desperate.