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We agree, Clinton is a trainwreck, that's a given, but that is no reason to support a fraud with an (R) next to his name.
Can anyone actually provide a reason to support a NY Lib running in the GOP, any reason at all?
And no, not just because he made a rhetorical claim, because he's flipped on EVERY SINGLE CLAIM he's made since announcing his candidacy.

So give us a reason he deserves the our support.

Sorry.  Have to comment on this one as I see a bit of humor ... I think you're going to be waiting for awhile with an answer to this.  There isn't one logical or sane reason to support Trump.  Not one.   :popcorn:

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 05:55:51 AM
We agree, Clinton is a trainwreck, that's a given, but that is no reason to support a fraud with an (R) next to his name.
Can anyone actually provide a reason to support a NY Lib running in the GOP, any reason at all?
And no, not just because he made a rhetorical claim, because he's flipped on EVERY SINGLE CLAIM he's made since announcing his candidacy.

So give us a reason he deserves the our support.

Good luck with that!

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 05:55:51 AM
We agree, Clinton is a trainwreck, that's a given, but that is no reason to support a fraud with an (R) next to his name.
Can anyone actually provide a reason to support a NY Lib running in the GOP, any reason at all?
And no, not just because he made a rhetorical claim, because he's flipped on EVERY SINGLE CLAIM he's made since announcing his candidacy.

So give us a reason he deserves the our support.

How long do I have?  They tell me I will not live that long.

Quote from: Yukon on June 29, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Trump is get his support from the following people:
1. Christian zealots who oppose a woman's right to control her own body (abortion is evil)
2. Gun lovers (the crazies that want to take guns to school and church)
3. Racist bigots (dislike Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc)

The questions was! 

QuoteCan anyone actually provide a reason to support a NY Lib running in the GOP, any reason at all?

Your not making a very good showing for your country.

Quote from: Yukon on June 29, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Trump is get his support from the following people:
1. Christian zealots who oppose a woman's right to control her own body (abortion is evil)
2. Gun lovers (the crazies that want to take guns to school and church)
3. Racist bigots (dislike Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc)

1. Other than if the mothers life is in danger, I oppose abortion. Abortion is murder. Murder is evil. - I guess Im a "Christian zealot"?

2. Whether it be as a source of security or as a source of fun at a shooting range, I love guns. Im certainly not opposed to guns being in a school. From Columbine, to VA Tech, to Sandy Hook, to the Oregon Comm College; some people are mentally not right or are just plain evil. Why not have armed security on school grounds just in case someone wants to attempted to kill innocent children? - So yes, Im a "Gun lover"

3. Nope, sorry, there are blacks I do not like. Blacks that act and seriously feel like theyre entitled to think and to preferential treatment because of events that took place 50 years ago and more, I dont like those blacks. The vast majority of them are younger too, around my age, and greatly wound up in the BLM. Theyre ignorant, pompus, and down right idiots. Then theres all other blacks which I have many friends of. Theyre intelligent, logical, hard working and while they are in a way tied to events of the past, they dont feel entitled to anything though. They recognize that nothing should be handed to them and they have a hard work ethic to achieve what they want. - So, I guess Im a half "racist bigot"?

I dont know what the hell youre getting at, but according to your standard, I, along with others here, would fall in line with being a Trump loving asshole. And that I am not and never will be and nor will others here.

Quote from: Yukon on June 29, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Trump is get his support from the following people:
1. Christian zealots who oppose a woman's right to control her own body (abortion is evil)
2. Gun lovers (the crazies that want to take guns to school and church)
3. Racist bigots (dislike Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc)

I am #NEVERTrump.  Give me ONE good, legitimate reason as to why I should support Trump.  You are going to be very hard pressed to find one. I have asked several Trump supporters the same question -- so far I haven't received a valid answer.

By the way, I am new to this forum and have found it refreshing that the focus isn't on Donny; quite frankly, I'm sick of the guy.

Quote from: Yukon on June 29, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Trump is get his support from the following people:
1. Christian zealots who oppose a woman's right to control her own body (abortion is evil)
2. Gun lovers (the crazies that want to take guns to school and church)
3. Racist bigots (dislike Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc)

What a tool. How old are you anyway?  You sound like someone in Jr. High who just read their first liberal talking points memo. 

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 05:55:51 AM
We agree, Clinton is a trainwreck, that's a given, but that is no reason to support a fraud with an (R) next to his name.
Can anyone actually provide a reason to support a NY Lib running in the GOP, any reason at all?
And no, not just because he made a rhetorical claim, because he's flipped on EVERY SINGLE CLAIM he's made since announcing his candidacy.

So give us a reason he deserves the our support.

I won't be part of electing The Beast.

Quote from: Dori on June 29, 2016, 09:07:44 AM
What a tool. How old are you anyway?  You sound like someone in Jr. High who just read their first liberal talking points memo.

He not even at 101 yet.  He did not even prepare at all to come into an adult board.

Quote from: Yukon on June 29, 2016, 07:23:25 AM
Trump is get his support from the following people:
1. Christian zealots who oppose a woman's right to control her own body (abortion is evil)
2. Gun lovers (the crazies that want to take guns to school and church)
3. Racist bigots (dislike Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc)

Abortion isn't evil, it's allowing liberal babies to live that is evil. If we stopped allowing that, there'd be no need for abortion. Oh. Wait. Conservative women carry their children, not murder them in the womb. You must be talking about liberals. Morals are NOT their strong subject.

Gun lovers? You betcha! Wanna come over and polish my howitzers? Don't mind the Claymores on the lawn or the pair of air-cooled fifties for mowing down trespassers.

Racist bigots! Horrors! You must be a Democrat, since they're the ones who created and ran the Ku Klux Klan (and had members of Congress and Hugo Black on the Supreme Court). Racists!?!?! What do you call the muslim corksocker telling us it was white Christians and guns that caused Orlando and not the filth of this planet, the raghead trash of Islam?

The Orlando killer was a Registered Democrat with a legally-purchased gun. So if you want to control guns start with the Islamo-animals who NEED disarming. And then shoot them.

Gee, I have NO idea what they're talking about. I must be a liberal!   :rolleyes:

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Quote from: Shooterman on June 29, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
I won't be part of electing The Beast.

My opening sentence explained that's not a reason.
Shooter, since when did you cave and start supporting the Establishment?

Quote from: Ms.Independence on June 29, 2016, 06:27:41 AM
Sorry.  Have to comment on this one as I see a bit of humor ... I think you're going to be waiting for awhile with an answer to this.  There isn't one logical or sane reason to support Trump.  Not one.   :popcorn:

:lol:
I never actually expected them to give me one, even they are pissed that they actually fell for his lies about everything he claimed he would do.
Nah, the reason I posted it, was to create some introspection amongst the LIV crowd, hoping they'll be forced to stop and look at the impending trainwreck they're on, the one headed off the proverbial cliff and realize they're taking the country with them, and it's all based on the emotion of anger at the so called 'Two Party' system..

In a round about way I have asked this question and the response I get, the ONLY response I get is "well, he isn't Hillary"  Of course I try to explain that up until just a few short years ago he supported that women, both with money and with his praise. It matters little when I try to point out that everything he has until this moment ran on he has back peddled away from.. It just don't matter to them, he is a Republican and in their mind voting republican is all they care about, character does not matter, substance does not matter. A freaking track record does not matter
I stick by voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil

Quote from: AmericanMom on June 29, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
In a round about way I have asked this question and the response I get, the ONLY response I get is "well, he isn't Hillary"  Of course I try to explain that up until just a few short years ago he supported that women, both with money and with his praise. It matters little when I try to point out that everything he has until this moment ran on he has back peddled away from.. It just don't matter to them, he is a Republican and in their mind voting republican is all they care about, character does not matter, substance does not matter. A freaking track record does not matter
I stick by voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil

It's sad when even Europe can see what a joke Trump is, yet Trumpanzees are either unwilling or too stupid to accept/see the truth.

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Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 05:55:51 AM
We agree, Clinton is a trainwreck, that's a given, but that is no reason to support a fraud with an (R) next to his name.
Can anyone actually provide a reason to support a NY Lib running in the GOP, any reason at all?
And no, not just because he made a rhetorical claim, because he's flipped on EVERY SINGLE CLAIM he's made since announcing his candidacy.

So give us a reason he deserves the our support.

It's the SCOTUS!   We know Hillary will only pick the most rabid of Liberals, that's why we need Donald Trump.

Trump will:
Nominate Conservatives, he's even supplied a list of them.
Nominate moderates, the list was just a suggestion.
Nominate his rabid liberal sister.

Donald is like a fresh caught Bluegill on the dock, sooner or later, it'll flip to the other side... unless it croaks first.
So.... there's about a 2% chance he'd nominate a conservative.  If the weather is just right... and the Zombies kill off all the Liberals as he picks them...

There!   That's better than a snow-balls-chance-in-hell with Hillary!   Vote Trump, there's a 2% chance you won't regret it.!   Who's to say he would nominate Hillary or Barak?

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
My opening sentence explained that's not a reason.
Shooter, since when did you cave and start supporting the Establishment?

its my reason, Solar.

Quote from: Shooterman on June 29, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
its my reason, Solar.

You do know he and Hillary are for all intents and purposes, cut from the same cloth, the only difference in the two?
Hillary is at least faithful to the Dim party, while Trump has no compunction dumping the Dims and aligning with the enemy for personal gain.
Yes, the scum ball actually joined the Establishment just to be in the race for the WH, yet hasn't the first clue what it means to be a Conservative, let alone a Pub.
If anything, Hillary at least has some semblance of values, as screwed up as they are in comparison to Trump, a man without principle.

Quote from: Solar on June 29, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
My opening sentence explained that's not a reason.
Shooter, since when did you cave and start supporting the Establishment?

So...Shooter's reason is only legitimate if he picks a choice someone else thinks is legitimate?  Interesting.  Good thing Ted wasn't restricted in his options.  ;~)

Ok, so to answer the question withOUT the I won't help Hillery response.  I DON'T support Trump.  Can't stand the sumbich.  But I'm gonna follow Ted Cruz's example and do what's best for America.  He didn't want the establishment to get it's way and have a contested convention...so he quit.  He didn't want to help Hitlery win the White House...so he quit and let Trump turn to attacking her.  I'm following Ted's example.  I don't support Trump, but I DAMN sure ain't helping the Washington establishment carry on business as usual.  And Hillery is business as usual!

Quote from: jdzbrain on June 29, 2016, 10:22:09 PM
So...Shooter's reason is only legitimate if he picks a choice someone else thinks is legitimate?  Interesting.  Good thing Ted wasn't restricted in his options.  ;~)

Ok, so to answer the question withOUT the I won't help Hillery response.  I DON'T support Trump.  Can't stand the sumbich.  But I'm gonna follow Ted Cruz's example and do what's best for America.  He didn't want the establishment to get it's way and have a contested convention...so he quit.  He didn't want to help Hitlery win the White House...so he quit and let Trump turn to attacking her.  I'm following Ted's example.  I don't support Trump, but I DAMN sure ain't helping the Washington establishment carry on business as usual.  And Hillery is business as usual!

You have no idea what Shooter's response means, considering for decades he's chastised everyone for supporting the GOP candidate even though they are no better than the Dim's offering, but like every year, we had no choice, but we've run out of time.
Yes, he sat on the fense for years flinging poo at both sides, and when it finally comes down to standing one's ground on principle, he, like you, cave to the Establishment. Why?

Yes, you people deserve the future and all it entails if you willingly throw out your values over fear, just as planned by both party's and voting for the lesser of two evils.
I'm sending the message that the nation wants no part of either candidate, and if more did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Right now, as we speak, the rules committee is trying to find a way to accept Trump the lib, they are trying to get him to say what the base wants to hear.
That's right, they want to support Trump, but the lib in him won't play ball because Trump's values aren't in sync with the Establishments and if they can't get him to act more Presidential they know the base will force them to back another candidate, but with spineless people willing to accept whatever candidate the Establishment forces on them, we'll continue to lose our voice.

This is a TEA forum, we've made historic strides in recent years and we're not about to throw it all away over one election, especially for a Lib that decided to run as an (R) just to muddy the water.
One has to draw the line on values, either you have them, or you don't.

Quote from: Solar on June 30, 2016, 04:38:23 AM

This is a TEA forum, we've made historic strides in recent years and we're not about to throw it all away over one election, especially for a Lib that decided to run as an (R) just to muddy the water.
One has to draw the line on values, either you have them, or you don't.

There is no doubt that Americans are headed for some very difficult times and yes TEA continues to make great strides.  Personally, for me, to vote for the liberal with an (R) next to his name is like surrendering. Giving up on my country, my core beliefs, my core values and the Constitution is not an option for me.

The best case scenario right now is Trump is denied the nomination and they put someone in who beats Hillary.  I see this as highly unlikely, but I still see that as a possibility. If either Hillary or Trump gets in I believe we will see amnesty granted and a very liberal SCOTUS and the electorate will be changed for awhile.  I am of the opinion that liberalism isn't working, hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future.  Liberalism and political correctness puts a target on each of our backs for radical Islamic terrorists.  Because of the continued failures of liberalism, I think we just may eventually see an all out backlash in this country.  It is at that time that TEA will emerge much, much larger and much, much stronger and the restoration of our country will begin.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on June 30, 2016, 07:04:49 AM
There is no doubt that Americans are headed for some very difficult times and yes TEA continues to make great strides.  Personally, for me, to vote for the liberal with an (R) next to his name is like surrendering. Giving up on my country, my core beliefs, my core values and the Constitution is not an option for me.

The best case scenario right now is Trump is denied the nomination and they put someone in who beats Hillary.  I see this as highly unlikely, but I still see that as a possibility. If either Hillary or Trump gets in I believe we will see amnesty granted and a very liberal SCOTUS and the electorate will be changed for awhile.  I am of the opinion that liberalism isn't working, hasn't worked in the past and won't work in the future.  Liberalism and political correctness puts a target on each of our backs for radical Islamic terrorists.  Because of the continued failures of liberalism, I think we just may eventually see an all out backlash in this country.  It is at that time that TEA will emerge much, much larger and much, much stronger and the restoration of our country will begin.

Couldn't agree more! In the past Conservatives had virtually no choice or say in what the GOP'e puked up claiming they would restore the Constitution, only to do the exact opposite and align with the Marxist left.
You are absolutely correct, voting in a lib to the GOP is nothing short of insanity and returning to the days of pre TEA, where they left us with no choice but a squishy lib.

The GOP at any point in time could have gotten behind the real Conservative Cruz, but they have no interest in furthering our Founders ideals, instead, they would rather further the ideals of Marxism.
Today we stand our ground, and if enough do it, we can avert a catastrophe.

Quote from: Solar on June 30, 2016, 04:38:23 AM
You have no idea what Shooter's response means, considering for decades he's chastised everyone for supporting the GOP candidate even though they are no better than the Dim's offering, but like every year, we had no choice, but we've run out of time.
Yes, he sat on the fense for years flinging poo at both sides, and when it finally comes down to standing one's ground on principle, he, like you, cave to the Establishment. Why?

not sure you do either,Solar.

I don't think you will find any true Trump "supporters" here and neither am I but I will vote for him for one reason. The next President will likely appoint 3 SCJ in the next 4 years and we know 2 things about that

1. If Hillary is elected they WILL for certain be liberals and will control the agenda of this country for the next 20 years, no matter who is in the Congress or Executive Branches. We have all seen too painfully how they can shape this country with decisions that find things in the Constitution that are not there while ignoring plainly written words which are. Say goodbye to a lot of things we hold dear if she is elected
2. While Trump is a flip flopper, we have at least a small chance he would nominate candidates to the Court who would not overturn the basic core principles the founding fathers wrote into the Constitution. With Hillary there is no chance in Hades that would happen. Pick your poison, just remember, some poison is very long acting.

Quote from: MichaelJ on June 30, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
I don't think you will find any true Trump "supporters" here and neither am I but I will vote for him for one reason. The next President will likely appoint 3 SCJ in the next 4 years and we know 2 things about that

1. If Hillary is elected they WILL for certain be liberals and will control the agenda of this country for the next 20 years, no matter who is in the Congress or Executive Branches. We have all seen too painfully how they can shape this country with decisions that find things in the Constitution that are not there while ignoring plainly written words which are. Say goodbye to a lot of things we hold dear if she is elected
2. While Trump is a flip flopper, we have at least a small chance he would nominate candidates to the Court who would not overturn the basic core principles the founding fathers wrote into the Constitution. With Hillary there is no chance in Hades that would happen. Pick your poison, just remember, some poison is very long acting.

Think about this. Congress has the final say and Hillary knows we can Bork anyone she puts forward, and most likely couldn't get a commie through the process.
Trump, a NY Lib who only became a Pub so he could run for office used to be an unprincipled Dim, even praised his sister, a known leftist, stating she would make a great SC judge.

So what we do know is the GOP'e would more than likely support a Trump pick over that of Clinton.
If that's your only rationality for supporting the NY Lib, you are better off backing a Cruz ticket.

Quote from: Shooterman on June 30, 2016, 10:41:32 AM
not sure you do either,Solar.

After reading your posts for more than a decade, I'm beyond certain of my answer.

Quote from: quiller on June 29, 2016, 09:39:22 AM
Gee, I have NO idea what they're talking about. I must be a liberal!   :rolleyes:

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As I have pointed out a number of times; the shooting started in the American Revolution over a British attempt at gun control at Lexington, Massachusetts on April 19, 1775. The British marched out in order to seize the colonials military stores. Of course, most Libtard, gun control nutters, are historically ignorant.

Quote from: AmericanMom on June 29, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
In a round about way I have asked this question and the response I get, the ONLY response I get is "well, he isn't Hillary"  Of course I try to explain that up until just a few short years ago he supported that women, both with money and with his praise. It matters little when I try to point out that everything he has until this moment ran on he has back peddled away from.. It just don't matter to them, he is a Republican and in their mind voting republican is all they care about, character does not matter, substance does not matter. A freaking track record does not matter
I stick by voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil

You assume that the Trumpanzees were actually Republicans, and conservative - before they got the chance to vote for a celebrity - and even now, I don't hold that assumption to be true. From their posts and their comments on many sites, I'd venture to guess that many of the Big Cheeto's supporters were apolitical - at best - before Trump gave them the chance to vote every prejudice they harbored in secret, every ignorant idea they held on economics, their total lack of political knowledge, and their total incompetence on anything having to do with foreign policy. They are incapable of seeing that voting for someone  who is corrupt and unstable, isn't any better than voting for someone else who is corrupt and unstable, simply because they have the right letter after their name.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 02, 2016, 06:00:07 AM
You assume that the Trumpanzees were actually Republicans, and conservative - before they got the chance to vote for a celebrity - and even now, I don't hold that assumption to be true. From their posts and their comments on many sites, I'd venture to guess that many of the Big Cheeto's supporters were apolitical - at best - before Trump gave them the chance to vote every prejudice they harbored in secret, every ignorant idea they held on economics, their total lack of political knowledge, and their total incompetence on anything having to do with foreign policy. They are incapable of seeing that voting for someone  who is corrupt and unstable, isn't any better than voting for someone else who is corrupt and unstable, simply because they have the right letter after their name.

Well said..

Quote from: mdgiles on July 02, 2016, 06:00:07 AM
You assume that the Trumpanzees were actually Republicans, and conservative - before they got the chance to vote for a celebrity - and even now, I don't hold that assumption to be true. From their posts and their comments on many sites, I'd venture to guess that many of the Big Cheeto's supporters were apolitical - at best - before Trump gave them the chance to vote every prejudice they harbored in secret, every ignorant idea they held on economics, their total lack of political knowledge, and their total incompetence on anything having to do with foreign policy. They are incapable of seeing that voting for someone  who is corrupt and unstable, isn't any better than voting for someone else who is corrupt and unstable, simply because they have the right letter after their name.

Corrupt = Hillary
Unstable = Trump

Put the "D" ot the "R" behind whomever you wish, neither one has a "mandate".  Neither one has made a compelling argument statement worthy of a single TEA / Conservative vote.

IMO, the battle we ought to focus on is the Senate and House, in that order.  The POTUS is a lost cause without Ted.  McConnell needs to be replaced, Ryan needs his "fiscal reset" button pushed, until he "gets it".

The ,so called conservative, Trump supporters are in for a big surprise come November when Trump loses the election. Naturally those people will blame the TEA party for not standing behind and supporting Trump. But actually it will be their fault that Clinton won because they didn't stand behind and support the only conservative candidate in the primaries, Ted Cruz. Admitting that they were lied to by the Trump camp will be hard for them, but lied to they were. Trump is no more a conservative than is Clinton, but you can't convince the Trump supporters. Being led astray by the Trump bombastic rhetoric is going to be humiliating, but it's not our fault that they were stupid.  :popcorn:

Quote from: tac on July 02, 2016, 07:02:37 AM
The ,so called conservative, Trump supporters are in for a big surprise come November when Trump loses the election. Naturally those people will blame the TEA party for not standing behind and supporting Trump. But actually it will be their fault that Clinton won because they didn't stand behind and support the only conservative candidate in the primaries, Ted Cruz. Admitting that they were lied to by the Trump camp will be hard for them, but lied to they were. Trump is no more a conservative than is Clinton, but you can't convince the Trump supporters. Being led astray by the Trump bombastic rhetoric is going to be humiliating, but it's not our fault that they were stupid.  :popcorn:

Well said Tac, and I agree, we're not to blame, the Trumpanzees are for aligning with libs to support a NY Lib.
What bothers more and more everyday is the parallel between FDR and Trump and his promises, all of which are essentially lies.
But FDR did the same exact thing, then went about the opposite.
All Big Govt Mandates.....

March 31st—Reforestation Act is enacted creating the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC).

April 19th—FDR takes US off gold standard

May 12th—Federal Emergency Relief Act passed and Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) passed

May 18th—Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) created

May 27th—Federal Securities Act passed

June 6th—National Employment Systems Act passed

June 13th—Homeowners Refinancing Act passed

June 16th—National Instustrial Recovery Act (NIRA) enacted, establishing the National Recovery Association (NRA) and the Public Works Administration (PWA) and the Banking Act of 1933 (Second Glass-Steagall Act) is passed

June 16th—End of Hundred Days

Quote from: tac on July 02, 2016, 07:02:37 AM
The ,so called conservative, Trump supporters are in for a big surprise come November when Trump loses the election. Naturally those people will blame the TEA party for not standing behind and supporting Trump. But actually it will be their fault that Clinton won because they didn't stand behind and support the only conservative candidate in the primaries, Ted Cruz. Admitting that they were lied to by the Trump camp will be hard for them, but lied to they were. Trump is no more a conservative than is Clinton, but you can't convince the Trump supporters. Being led astray by the Trump bombastic rhetoric is going to be humiliating, but it's not our fault that they were stupid.  :popcorn:

All the "former" Trump supporters will do is crawl back under whatever flat rock they were lurking under before. They'll lose interest because they will no longer have anyone as stupid, bigoted, and bombastic as many of them are - or would like to be - to look up to. They'll have to start listening to boring talks for and against valid political positions again, and how entertaining is that? Noting their to get the blood up? Might as well go back to watching porn.

Quote from: MichaelJ on June 30, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
I don't think you will find any true Trump "supporters" here and neither am I but I will vote for him for one reason. The next President will likely appoint 3 SCJ in the next 4 years and we know 2 things about that

1. If Hillary is elected they WILL for certain be liberals and will control the agenda of this country for the next 20 years, no matter who is in the Congress or Executive Branches. We have all seen too painfully how they can shape this country with decisions that find things in the Constitution that are not there while ignoring plainly written words which are. Say goodbye to a lot of things we hold dear if she is elected
2. While Trump is a flip flopper, we have at least a small chance he would nominate candidates to the Court who would not overturn the basic core principles the founding fathers wrote into the Constitution. With Hillary there is no chance in Hades that would happen. Pick your poison, just remember, some poison is very long acting.

Lame at best. I see this same "talking points" plastered everywhere on the web. Its nothing more than a fear tactic designed as an excuse for so called conservatives to pressure others to "fall in line" and vote for the orange obama.

Quote from: Shooterman on June 29, 2016, 09:10:52 AM
I won't be part of electing The Beast.

You're voting for Cruz too?  Nice!  I'm glad you're on board.

Quote from: MichaelJ on June 30, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
I don't think you will find any true Trump "supporters" here and neither am I but I will vote for him for one reason. The next President will likely appoint 3 SCJ in the next 4 years and we know 2 things about that

1. If Hillary is elected they WILL for certain be liberals and will control the agenda of this country for the next 20 years, no matter who is in the Congress or Executive Branches. We have all seen too painfully how they can shape this country with decisions that find things in the Constitution that are not there while ignoring plainly written words which are. Say goodbye to a lot of things we hold dear if she is elected
2. While Trump is a flip flopper, we have at least a small chance he would nominate candidates to the Court who would not overturn the basic core principles the founding fathers wrote into the Constitution. With Hillary there is no chance in Hades that would happen. Pick your poison, just remember, some poison is very long acting.

You sound like a Trump University enrollee who is convinced Donald will teach them about real estate.  There is zero chance Trump will nominate anyone conservative to the Supreme Court.  He doesn't even know what that means.  It is so bad, he thinks judges sign legislation.  Even remotely thinking Trump would do something conservative screams idiocy.

Quote from: taxed on July 02, 2016, 06:20:18 PM
You're votincg for Cruz too?  Nice!  I'm glad you're on board.

I hate to break this to you, Taxed, but  Cruz is not the nominee.

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 06:53:41 AM

I hate to break this to you, Taxed, but  Cruz is not the nominee.

So Which Democrat are you voting for or are you voting third party?  :popcorn:

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 06:53:41 AM

I hate to break this to you, Taxed, but  Cruz is not the nominee.

I hate to break this to you, Shooter; but since the conventions haven't been held yet, NO ONE is a nominee.

Quote from: taxed on July 02, 2016, 06:24:10 PM
You sound like a Trump University enrollee who is convinced Donald will teach them about real estate.  There is zero chance Trump will nominate anyone conservative to the Supreme Court.  He doesn't even know what that means.  It is so bad, he thinks judges sign legislation.  Even remotely thinking Trump would do something conservative screams idiocy.

I heard that and thought - WHAT!?  No way, I probably heard it wrong.

But, being the LIBERAL Trump is, that's how they get legislation through - via the courts.

The Trump Chumps as are bad as the Bernie/Hillary supporters.

Quote from: walkstall link  =topic=25480.msg309027#msg309027 date=1467555296
So Which Democrat are you voting for or are you voting third party?  :popcorn:

Et Tu, Walks

Quote from: mdgiles on July 03, 2016, 07:41:35 AM
I hate to break this to you, Shooter; but since the conventions haven't been held yet, NO ONE is a nominee.

Touche!

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
Et Tu, Walks

No just asking, as I know your from the state of Texas young man and a Southerner at heart. 

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Touche!

Indeed! Please don't steal that last fading hope from me; that some how, some way, the Republican party will come to it's senses. Be nice to hold that dream for a little while longer - before the start of the nightmare!

I found it!  The reason for supporting Donald Trump.  It was right there, so obvious - Eric Erickson actually makes a rather compelling case for supporting Trump:  If you care about your wishy-washy neighbor.

QuoteIt's about the appointments. From judges to cabinet positions we have to support Trump because of these appointments.

But there is a common theme beyond those takes that continues to strike me and it is extremely pervasive among those who plant their flag in principle. It amounts to "Please support Trump to stop making the rest of us look like we sold out."

I see it from CPAC'ers, talk radio voices, TV hosts, and pundits. Those of us who cannot bring ourselves to get on board with Trump need to do so because we're making the rest of the team look bad.

I think they're just going to have to look bad. 

http://theresurgent.com/a-common-theme-among-conservatives-for-trump/
(my emphasis in bold)

I'll offer to the Trump-a-loons, IF you'd like to feel good about the election, write in Ted Cruz.  You can sleep at night, whether he's in the WH or not.  None of that remorse, "How could I have been so stupid and pull the lever for Trump when I knew he was going to lose to Hilllary!"  Yep, you can be a clear conscience Conservative - and if it turns into a squeaker between Hillary vs Ted, it might be YOUR VOTE that puts Ted over the top!  So, stop looking "bad" and feeling guilty about a potential bad decision when you know Cruz is your man.

Quote from: walkstall on July 03, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
No just asking, as I know your from the state of Texas young man and a Southerner at heart.

My first allegiance is to my state. I am Southern by the Grace of God. I offer no apologies for either.

Quote from: MichaelJ on June 30, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
I don't think you will find any true Trump "supporters" here and neither am I but I will vote for him for one reason. The next President will likely appoint 3 SCJ in the next 4 years and we know 2 things about that

1. If Hillary is elected they WILL for certain be liberals and will control the agenda of this country for the next 20 years, no matter who is in the Congress or Executive Branches. We have all seen too painfully how they can shape this country with decisions that find things in the Constitution that are not there while ignoring plainly written words which are. Say goodbye to a lot of things we hold dear if she is elected
2. While Trump is a flip flopper, we have at least a small chance he would nominate candidates to the Court who would not overturn the basic core principles the founding fathers wrote into the Constitution. With Hillary there is no chance in Hades that would happen. Pick your poison, just remember, some poison is very long acting.

Michael, I agree with you and will vote for Trump for the same reason.  Writing in someone's name as a presidential choice might give one some satisfaction, but it is throwing away their vote and amounts to a vote for Hillary Clinton.  I am not stupid and  I have a degree from a prestigious university.  However, I am a realist.  I know what we will get with Hillary Clinton--Supreme Court justices who will do away with parts of the First and Second  Amendments.  I don't know that will not be true of Trump, but there is no doubt with Hillary.  And while I know that Trump cannot deport every illegal alien in the US, I do believe he will slow down immigration from countries who support and produce terrorism.  Hillary is on their side.

I value my vote and will not throw it away for some pie in the sky.  Go ahead--do your worst.  Sticks and stones....Sticks and stones.......Whatever.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 03, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
I found it!  The reason for supporting Donald Trump.  It was right there, so obvious - Eric Erickson actually makes a rather compelling case for supporting Trump:  If you care about your wishy-washy neighbor.

http://theresurgent.com/a-common-theme-among-conservatives-for-trump/
(my emphasis in bold)

I'll offer to the Trump-a-loons, IF you'd like to feel good about the election, write in Ted Cruz.  You can sleep at night, whether he's in the WH or not.  None of that remorse, "How could I have been so stupid and pull the lever for Trump when I knew he was going to lose to Hilllary!"  Yep, you can be a clear conscience Conservative - and if it turns into a squeaker between Hillary vs Ted, it might be YOUR VOTE that puts Ted over the top!  So, stop looking "bad" and feeling guilty about a potential bad decision when you know Cruz is your man.

Trump-a-loons? :lol:

I haven't seen any posting today on that unbelievably stupid and suicidal Cruz write-in campaign thread so I'm really hoping you guys came to your senses and gave that up.
I'm a fan of Cruz's to be sure but the candidate that conservatives have been needing for years just won the nomination handily.

The conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is some covert left wing Manchurian candidate was cooked up by the GOP Establishment and it's co-opted and paid-under-the-table members of True Conservative Inc. media to protect the Wall Street/K Street globalist racket that the Republicans are running together with the Democrats that all members involved with are financially benefiting from.

The #neverTrump crowd is the same reaction you get from a battered wife or a group of abused children when one of their siblings gets to brave and stands up to the abuser (the left). Sundance at Conservative Treehouse rightly diagnosing it as "Battered Conservative Syndrome" with excuses about how "Trump's not a conservative" and "Trump's a secret liberal who gave money to Democrats" being used to cover up for this cowardice crap. While not quite as conservative on everything I would like the way Cruz is he has absolute the right stance on the most pertinent issues that we have right now.

We finally have a candidate that knows how to effectively fight the left (especially the left's main attack dogs- the media) and most importantly is completely unafraid of them.

Just as important is that he is an outsider with highly exeptional meneuvering capability that is our best chance to bust up the Wall Street/K Street Uniparty apparatus that locks conservatives out during primaries and the government generally.

That's why I say all conservatives need to back Trump.

All your crap has been answered, exposed and refuted to death.  You aren't changing any minds on this board and your obviously not a conservative

So I will simply state my initials, where I'm from and my intentions:

JK    Akron, Ohio        Never Trump/Writing in CRUZ


I sincerely hope that Trump continues being Trump and the Republican party comes to its senses.....judging by him tweeting neo Nazi anti Hilary/ anti Jew graphics late last week, I would say the odds are getting better.

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 05:05:35 PM
My first allegiance is to my state. I am Southern by the Grace of God. I offer no apologies for either.

I did not ask for an apologia for either.   Did I stutter along the way asking my question.   :popcorn:

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 05:35:18 PM
I haven't seen any posting today on that unbelievably stupid and suicidal Cruz write-in campaign thread so I'm really hoping you guys came to your senses and gave that up.

Well let see you started posting in this thread 3 times yesterday and back out.   :lol:

Then today this is the only post you opened up and looked at, you almost took 1hr. to post all your BS that you posted.   I smell a shill not a Cruz fan, thanks for coming in and playing.

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 05:35:18 PM
That's why I say all conservatives need to back Trump.

GOP donor Paul Singer says Trump would cause a depression.

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hedge fund executive and major Republican donor believes Donald Trump's policies would spell big trouble for the U.S. economy.


Paul Singer, head of $27 billion Elliott Management, said Wednesday that he may not vote for anyone in the race between presumptive nominees Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton, and joked he is considering writing himself in.


"The most impactful of the economic policies that I recall him coming out for are these anti-trade policies," Singer said during a panel discussion at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. "And I think if he actually stuck to those policies and gets elected president, it's close to a guarantee of a global depression, widespread global depression."

more @
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/29/gop-donor-paul-singer-says-trump-would-cause-a-depression.html?__source=xfinity%7Cheadline&par=xfinity

As you can see folks with J. R. from Akron, Ohio; a typical NeverTrumper, immediately claims that all my points about Trump have been "refuted to death" without even engaging anything said then officially pronounces me "not a conservative" with even knowing anything about what I believe except that I'm a Trump supporter. (I'm actually a Christian evangelical who check every fiscal and social box- I'm as conservative as you logically can be) He then proceeds to defend Hillary against Trump with left wing smears like " Neo-Nazi" and "anti-Jewish".

This shows how NeverTrump-ism is an acute psyschological disorder caused by Battered Conservative Syndrome from years of left wing verbal abuse or the sight of Trump's confident attitude and talk of America winning causing flashbacks from high days of the popular jock with the prom queen girlfriend giving the NeverTrumper wedgies in the locker room.

As David Horowitz has rightly observed, the left has won virtually every major battle against conservatives.
The left has always considered politics to be war by other means while conservatives think they're seriously going to sit down and have a substantive debate of ideas with a bunch of hated-filled secular religious nuts who literally believe the United States and its right wing are a bigger threat to humankind than Islamic terrorism and must be destroyed. Enough with this stupidity! Stop being pussies and fight fire with fire!

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
As you can see folks with J. R. from Akron, Ohio; a typical NeverTrumper, immediately claims that all my points about Trump have been "refuted to death" without even engaging anything said then officially pronounces me "not a conservative" with even knowing anything about what I believe except that I'm a Trump supporter. (I'm actually a Christian evangelical who check every fiscal and social box- I'm as conservative as you logically can be) He then proceeds to defend Hillary against Trump with left wing smears like " Neo-Nazi" and "anti-Jewish".

This shows how NeverTrump-ism is an acute psyschological disorder caused by Battered Conservative Syndrome from years of left wing verbal abuse or the sight of Trump's confident attitude and talk of America winning causing flashbacks from high days of the popular jock with the prom queen girlfriend giving the NeverTrumper wedgies in the locker room.

As David Horowitz has rightly observed, the left has won virtually every major battle against conservatives.
The left has always considered politics to be war by other means while conservatives think they're seriously going to sit down and have a substantive debate of ideas with a bunch of hated-filled secular religious nuts who literally believe the United States and its right wing are a bigger threat to humankind than Islamic terrorism and must be destroyed. Enough with this stupidity! Stop being pussies and fight fire with fire!

This took you over and hour to post on a Conservative TEA Political Forum.   :popcorn:

Hey walkstall, I seriously hope you guys gave up on that ridiculous Cruz write-in campaign.

I also don't trust any economic analysis from Peter Singer or any other member of the Wall Street/GOP globalist donor class and you shouldn't either.

Here's the problem:

The Citizens United SCOTUS ruling was both a victory and a defeat for our side. It was constitutionally correct but it also allowed money to flow freely from international Wall Street corporations to US Chamber of Commerce. USCoC then lobbies both the Democrat and Republican parties for Wall Street global corperate interests which include what are now USCoC top legislative priorities:

Full Anmensty for illegal immigrants (for cheap manual labor).

Full implimentation of Obamacare (that way they can offload employee healthcare packages onto the government thereby reducing overhead costs)

Full implementation of Common Core Educational standards

So neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to repeal Obamacare- the Republicans just need to act in front of the camera to keep the optics up for their base. Both parties also want amnesty and Common Core. This is why Obama only has averaged about 2.5 vetoes a year for the 7 years he's been in office and why no serious attempt has been made to get rid of Obamacare and the House has never even tried to cut the funding to anything no matter what Obama has done- on the contrary they've funded all of it without batting an eye.

The only opposition we have to what's going on is Trump.
 

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 09:44:05 PM
Hey walkstall

You are wasting your breathe on me troll! 

I heard another NeverTrumper on this thread talk about how Erik Erikson has a scoop on Donald Trump. So I thought I'd give a scoop on Erik Erickson (the guy in here in Macon, Georgia that said that Jeb Bush was the most conservative governer he knows), no to mention some other NeverTrump faux conservative media shrills.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/30/eric-errickson-website-resurgent-paid-by-pro-cruzanti-trump-our-principles-pac/

Quote from: walkstall on July 03, 2016, 09:55:01 PM
You are wasting your breathe on me troll! 

I am?

You're so sad! You're soooooo, soooooo saaaad!!!

Question for Trump supporters.....how?

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Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
I am?

You're so sad! You're soooooo, soooooo saaaad!!!

A shill for Trump camp coming to a Conservative TEA Forum is what's "soooooo, soooooo saaaad!!!"

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
I heard another NeverTrumper on this thread talk about how Erik Erikson has a scoop on Donald Trump. So I thought I'd give a scoop on Erik Erickson (the guy in here in Macon, Georgia that said that Jeb Bush was the most conservative governer he knows), no to mention some other NeverTrump faux conservative media shrills.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/30/eric-errickson-website-resurgent-paid-by-pro-cruzanti-trump-our-principles-pac/

Skimming through your posts, I see references to people and comments, yet know validation as in actual quotes.
I really haven't the time to respond yet, but for clarification, learn to use the quote function, there are several threads in the Help forum explaining in detail how it works, or you could simply hit quote and see how I did this one.

Either way, I'll reply to some of your nonsense later, but I have to question the veracity of your claim in being a Conservative and yet so willingly back another lib for the GOP. Hasn't a slough of losers over the decades since Reagan been enough to convince you that the GOP'e doesn't give a damn about you and what you want?

Quote from: walkstall on July 03, 2016, 06:25:31 PM
I did not ask for an apologia for either.   Did I stutter along the way asking my question.   :popcorn:

meant no apology.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 03, 2016, 02:25:06 PM
Indeed! Please don't steal that last fading hope from me; that some how, some way, the Republican party will come to it's senses. Be nice to hold that dream for a little while longer - before the start of the nightmare!

The first round of triples in your favorite most expensive beverage will be on me, squire, if they actually do manage that, yet I fear after the Greatest Generation the business bunch became the Party of Surrender, ever-eager to appease.

May I offer you a fine Independence Day, and if you're up to it, get the all-American hotdog at Nathan's. You know how to find them.  :smile:

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
I am?

You're so sad! You're soooooo, soooooo saaaad!!!

Your a Trump Bot. Simply brainwashed by a NY liberal who is a poser. Your king has no substance and is clueless to our constitution. His flip flopping is of historic proportions. Had any other politician flip flopped even half as much they would be forever labeled a scumbag. Your king has pledged allegiance to Hillary, Bill, Pelosi, Obama, Reid and many others while agreeing with gun control and pro abortionists who support planned parenthood. He has made reference to bypassing congress and forcing his will upon the people just like his narcissist clone Obama. He will listen to nobody ever. Its just not in him. He thinks only of himself. He refuses to release his taxes. He knows it will reveal more lies. His main body of support came from democrats in open primaries. I can continue if you like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE   

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 06:53:41 AM

I hate to break this to you, Taxed, but  Cruz is not the nominee.

Oh, my mistake.  Well, then definitely vote for the liberal with an (R).

Quote from: Hoofer on July 03, 2016, 10:22:48 AM
I heard that and thought - WHAT!?  No way, I probably heard it wrong.

But, being the LIBERAL Trump is, that's how they get legislation through - via the courts.

It blows my mind how clueless he is.

Quote from: Shooterman on July 03, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Touche!

So you're going from holding your nose for Cruz to holding your nose for Trump?

Quote from: Charliemyboy on July 03, 2016, 05:06:11 PM
Michael, I agree with you and will vote for Trump for the same reason.  Writing in someone's name as a presidential choice might give one some satisfaction, but it is throwing away their vote and amounts to a vote for Hillary Clinton.  I am not stupid and  I have a degree from a prestigious university.  However, I am a realist.  I know what we will get with Hillary Clinton--Supreme Court justices who will do away with parts of the First and Second  Amendments.  I don't know that will not be true of Trump, but there is no doubt with Hillary.  And while I know that Trump cannot deport every illegal alien in the US, I do believe he will slow down immigration from countries who support and produce terrorism.  Hillary is on their side.

I value my vote and will not throw it away for some pie in the sky.  Go ahead--do your worst.  Sticks and stones....Sticks and stones.......Whatever.

Voting for Trump isn't throwing your vote away? 

Quote from: TFields on July 03, 2016, 05:35:18 PM
I haven't seen any posting today on that unbelievably stupid and suicidal Cruz write-in campaign thread so I'm really hoping you guys came to your senses and gave that up.

I can't wait to send mine in.  Only stupid people vote for Trump.  Even more stupid is to vote for Trump thinking he would be better.

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I'm a fan of Cruz's to be sure but the candidate that conservatives have been needing for years just won the nomination handily.

Yeah, you scream conservatism.  Trump took the lead because Rubio stayed in too long and Cruz dropped out.

Quote
The conspiracy theory that Donald Trump is some covert left wing Manchurian candidate was cooked up by the GOP Establishment and it's co-opted and paid-under-the-table members of True Conservative Inc. media to protect the Wall Street/K Street globalist racket that the Republicans are running together with the Democrats that all members involved with are financially benefiting from.

The same GOP that supports him?  They are all pushing for Hillary.  Trump 2016: Making Hillary Great Again.

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The #neverTrump crowd is the same reaction you get from a battered wife or a group of abused children when one of their siblings gets to brave and stands up to the abuser (the left).

Why would you want a scam artist as President?  You make no sense.

Quote
Sundance at Conservative Treehouse rightly diagnosing it as "Battered Conservative Syndrome" with excuses about how "Trump's not a conservative" and "Trump's a secret liberal who gave money to Democrats" being used to cover up for this cowardice crap. While not quite as conservative on everything I would like the way Cruz is he has absolute the right stance on the most pertinent issues that we have right now.

Trump has zero conservative positions.  He's friends with Hillary.  Trump turns red states purple and blue.  You're not the sharpest knife in the chandelier.

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We finally have a candidate that knows how to effectively fight the left (especially the left's main attack dogs- the media) and most importantly is completely unafraid of them.

No he doesn't.  He is left.  That's not beating them.  Voting for Trump is joining them.

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Just as important is that he is an outsider with highly exeptional meneuvering capability that is our best chance to bust up the Wall Street/K Street Uniparty apparatus that locks conservatives out during primaries and the government generally.

Trump wouldn't even know what that means.  Please quit promoting fibs.

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That's why I say all conservatives need to back Trump.

No thanks.  I don't vote for radical liberals.

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2016, 06:48:01 AM
Skimming through your posts, I see references to people and comments, yet know validation as in actual quotes.
I really haven't the time to respond yet, but for clarification, learn to use the quote function, there are several threads in the Help forum explaining in detail how it works, or you could simply hit quote and see how I did this one.

Either way, I'll reply to some of your nonsense later, but I have to question the veracity of your claim in being a Conservative and yet so willingly back another lib for the GOP. Hasn't a slough of losers over the decades since Reagan been enough to convince you that the GOP'e doesn't give a damn about you and what you want?

I see here that you are prepared to give some substance with regard to Trump support which I appreciate as I've been on this thread now for two days and haven't gotten anything from NeverTrumpers except pussy insults and dorky pronouncements that I'm not a conservative.

I've figured out how to use the quote feature and I like because it's much easier than others that I've used. You righty raise the issue of string of jokes that the GOP has put up and blown elections and a lot of that has to do with my support for Trump as well the ineffectiveness of the conservative movement against the left politically in terms of the strategy that it has been using against them for the past 50 years.

Check out this article from June of last year. It's a good primer on why Trump is a good choice.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/07/13/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/

Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
I see here that you are prepared to give some substance with regard to Trump support which I appreciate as I've been on this thread now for two days and haven't gotten anything from NeverTrumpers except pussy insults and dorky pronouncements that I'm not a conservative.

I've figured out how to use the quote feature and I like because it's much easier than others that I've used. You righty raise the issue of string of jokes that the GOP has put up and blown elections and a lot of that has to do with my support for Trump as well the ineffectiveness of the conservative movement against the left politically in terms of the strategy that it has been using against them for the past 50 years.

Check out this article from June of last year. It's a good primer on why Trump is a good choice.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/07/13/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4lFrk4PbVg

Talking to my pollster kid today....

Got an interesting answer to the question haunting the Trump-a-loons, 'Who else is there to vote for'?

An interesting note, today's Libertarians share many of the same positions as Constitutional Conservatives.
Gary Johnson is a safer 'bet' than Donald Trump - apparently people are giving him a good look and jumping ship from the Republican Party which has gone south on us. 

Imagine that, voting Libertarian for POTUS and Republican for the down ballot.  Another good reason for Trump to continue courting the Sanders supporters, the only hope he has is eroding the Clinton base.  She didn't need to elaborate much - the Democrat and Republican parties are essentially one-in-the-same with Donald Trump as the expected nominee - hence the rising popularity of Libertarians.

Quote from: taxed on July 04, 2016, 01:04:58 PM
I can't wait to send mine in.  Only stupid people vote for Trump.  Even more stupid is to vote for Trump thinking he would be better.
Yeah, you scream conservatism.  Trump took the lead because Rubio stayed in too long and Cruz dropped out.
The same GOP that supports him?  They are all pushing for Hillary.  Trump 2016: Making Hillary Great Again.
Why would you want a scam artist as President?  You make no sense.
Trump has zero conservative positions.  He's friends with Hillary.  Trump turns red states purple and blue.  You're not the sharpest knife in the chandelier.
No he doesn't.  He is left.  That's not beating them.  Voting for Trump is joining them.
Trump wouldn't even know what that means.  Please quit promoting fibs.
No thanks.  I don't vote for radical liberals.

To all this I simply restate my original diagnosis:

Hysterical NeverTrump-ism is an acute psychological disorder that include symptoms of spouting off irrational conspiracy theories of Trump being a closet leftist and authoritatively pronouncing anyone who supports him "not a conservative!". It is caused by severe Battered Conservative Syndrome resulting from years of left wing verbal abuse as well as Trump's confident bravery and talk of America winning triggering flashbacks from the NeverTrumper's high school days of the popular jock who's girlfriend was the prom queen who would give the NeverTrumper wedgies in the locker room.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 04, 2016, 01:54:14 PM
Talking to my pollster kid today....

Got an interesting answer to the question haunting the Trump-a-loons, 'Who else is there to vote for'?

An interesting note, today's Libertarians share many of the same positions as Constitutional Conservatives.
Gary Johnson is a safer 'bet' than Donald Trump - apparently people are giving him a good look and jumping ship from the Republican Party which has gone south on us. 

Imagine that, voting Libertarian for POTUS and Republican for the down ballot.  Another good reason for Trump to continue courting the Sanders supporters, the only hope he has is eroding the Clinton base.  She didn't need to elaborate much - the Democrat and Republican parties are essentially one-in-the-same with Donald Trump as the expected nominee - hence the rising popularity of Libertarians.

Gary Johnson's stealing Trump votes...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
I see here that you are prepared to give some substance with regard to Trump support which I appreciate as I've been on this thread now for two days and haven't gotten anything from NeverTrumpers except pussy insults and dorky pronouncements that I'm not a conservative.

Sorry, you may call yourself Conservative, but a true Con would never ever support a lib, ever.

QuoteI've figured out how to use the quote feature and I like because it's much easier than others that I've used. You righty raise the issue of string of jokes that the GOP has put up and blown elections and a lot of that has to do with my support for Trump

So just because he decided to put an (R) next to his name this time, instead of a (D), he's not a RINO? Hell, he's worse than RINO considering his support for leftists, but even worse than that. In 2014, Donald Trump supported the Republican Establishment as it sought to crush the tea party and conservatives.

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Quoteas well the ineffectiveness of the conservative movement against the left politically in terms of the strategy that it has been using against them for the past 50 years.

More proof you have no idea what it means to be a Conservative, or you wouldn't have made such a stupid blanket statement.
TEA made history in 2010 when it stole roughly 1000 Legislative seats from Dims across the nation, and more history in 2014, and we've only just begun.

QuoteCheck out this article from June of last year. It's a good primer on why Trump is a good choice.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/07/13/why-i-support-donald-trumps-campaign-and-its-probably-not-what-you-think/

The 9conservative Treehouse is a disgrace and undeserving of the name, they should just go with treehouse. They've been in the tank for the lib since long before Breitbart literally sold out to Trump.



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Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 01:55:12 PM
To all this I simply restate my original diagnosis:

Hysterical NeverTrump-ism is an acute psychological disorder that include systems of spouting off irrational conspiracy theories of Trump being a closet leftist and authoritatively pronouncing anyone who supports him "not a conservative!". It is caused by severe Battered Conservative Syndrome resulting from years of left wing verbal abuse as well as Trump's confident bravery and talk of America winning triggering flashbacks from the NeverTrumper's high days of the popular jock who's girlfriend was the prom queen who would give the NeverTrumper wedgies in the locker room.

You sound like a Trump University grad.  Did you shell out the extra $12k and get the laminated degree?

Why do you support liberal policies, like universal health care?  As a conservative, I'm curious what a liberal like yourself thinks.

Quote from: taxed on July 04, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
You sound like a Trump University grad.  Did you shell out the extra $12k and get the laminated degree?

Why do you support liberal policies, like universal health care?  As a conservative, I'm curious what a liberal like yourself thinks.

As we as Increased taxes, growing govt to fix problems created by an overgrown govt, loss of Liberties etc. Inquiring minds want to know why Trumpanzees want all this.

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2016, 02:05:29 PM
As we as Increased taxes, growing govt to fix problems created by an overgrown govt, loss of Liberties etc. Inquiring minds want to know why Trumpanzees want all this.

Honestly, I think it goes back to when Trump referenced the size of his genitalia in the debate.  They LOVE stuff like that, on top of Trump's bravery talk that TFields referenced.

Speaking of, did Trump ever get those bone spurs healed that kept him out of going to Vietnam?

Quote from: taxed on July 04, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
Honestly, I think it goes back to when Trump referenced the size of his genitalia in the debate.  They LOVE stuff like that, on top of Trump's bravery talk that TFields referenced.

Speaking of, did Trump ever get those bone spurs healed that kept him out of going to Vietnam?

No. The spurs migrated to his skull, and now he's a complete bone head!

Quote from: taxed on July 04, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
Honestly, I think it goes back to when Trump referenced the size of his genitalia in the debate.  They LOVE stuff like that, on top of Trump's bravery talk that TFields referenced.

Speaking of, did Trump ever get those bone spurs healed that kept him out of going to Vietnam?

Bragging about one's dick size is the macho equivalent to boasting how much beer one can consume before passing out.
Yeah, that's some real manly shit, because it takes a complete idiot with serious self esteem issues willing to look like a complete ass.
Seriously, look back over your life and remember just what kind of fool bragged about such shit, they we're generally the type to lie about their wealth, their sex life, and when asked where they live, they'd claim they were helping out mommy and daddy by living in the basement.

Take Trump, lived off daddy all his life, lies about his wealth as well as claiming he's hung.
Yeah, that's one real man the Trumpanzees have right there, I kid you not.....

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2016, 01:59:06 PM
Sorry, you may call yourself Conservative, but a true Con would never ever support a lib, ever.
So just because he decided to put an (R) next to his name this time, instead of a (D), he's not a RINO? Hell, he's worse than RINO considering his support for leftists, but even worse than that. In 2014, Donald Trump supported the Republican Establishment as it sought to crush the tea party and conservatives.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftheresurgent.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2FTrumpMcConnell-1.jpg&hash=3feb0738fea2241097ceeb8e4fbcd6d63cf35761)
More proof you have no idea what it means to be a Conservative, or you wouldn't have made such a stupid blanket statement.
TEA made history in 2010 when it stole roughly 1000 Legislative seats from Dims across the nation, and more history in 2014, and we've only just begun.
The 9conservative Treehouse is a disgrace and undeserving of the name, they should just go with treehouse. They've been in the tank for the lib since long before Breitbart literally sold out to Trump.

Take that back, like all other NeverTrumpers you're just another hysterical dumbass running around screaming to everyone "You're not a conservative!" "You're not a conservative!"

Time for reality check:

Donald Trump gave money to anyone and everyone that was political- both Republicans and Democrats- and praised whatever political cause he needed to because as an international businessman his job was to get along with people. Sadly, all the lies from the from the Goldman Sachs televangelist whom he slaughtered all over the country that you dumbasses are trying to write in couldn't disprove that.

The TEA party was tremendous in 2010. They held very effective town halls and rallies and knock the media and the left back on their heels and were the one of the reasons the Republicans won astonishing victories all the way down to the local municipal level (the other was the sheer terror of Obama and a left wing Democrats swiftly ushering in a Bolshievik revolution).

But then Obama and company (as well as the GOP establishment) had the perfect solution to the TEA movement- Lois Lerner

All Lois Lerner had to so was audit them and send the FBI at their doors and the TEA parties became the TEA pussies and bolted under the nearest rock just in time for Obama's reelection. Some of the members of the TEA coalition who didn't completely clip their balls off are are still working behind the scenes and carrying on the good fight and our prayers are with them but the rest are all but gone. The only reason the Republicans managed to get the Senate in 2014 was purely because the public voted against Obama and absolutely no other reason than that.

So TEA owned 2010 and Lois Lerner owned TEA ever since.

And as far as Conservative Treehouse and Brietbart at least they sold out to the right candidate for the conservative cause instead of the Goldman Sachs televangelist that the GOP establishment decided to back and that you Hillary helpers are trying to write in.

Like I say, the whole mindless Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative mantra is just a psychological cover for the fact that Trump has far more balls than what NeverTrump pussies are comfortable with. Their battered wife reaction to Trump is a result of Battered Conservative Syndrome and their pussified fear of the left. Many of them as well sneer at Trump's confident persona, winning theme, and masterfully run campaign because it gives them flashbacks from their high school days of the popular jock with the prom queen girlfriend who used to give them wedgies in the locker room. NeverTrump-ism is a psychological self-deprecation that the NeverTrumper must get over. It's main symptom includes pointing their finger at anyone who even looks at them wrong and angrily shouting "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!" which is really the subliminal communication meaning "By the  power vested in me by the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers (the NeverTrump excuse for the "conservative movement") you are hereby banished from the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers. Banishment includes (but is not limited to) non participation in all think tanks, talk radio shows, position papers, news outlets, temple rituals, sacred holy rites, secret passwords, secret handshakes, and coded messages in the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers (i.e. so-called "conservatism" as they define it).

Thus NeverTrumpers are total frauds, shills, and the worst form of traitors since they are perfectly willing to sabatoge the convention and hand the White House and the already left wing Supreme Court to Hillary because they want to prove a point about how mad they are that the GOP Establishment-backed Goldman Sachs televangelist ran a terrible campaign and lost.





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Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 07:06:41 PM
Take that back, like all other NeverTrumpers you're just another hysterical dumbass running around scream to everyone "You're not a conservative!" "You're not a conservative!"

Time for reality check:

Donald Trump gave money to anyone and everyone that was political- both Republicans and Democrats- and praised whatever political cause he needed to because as an international businessman his job was to get along with people. Sadly, all the lies from the from the Goldman Sachs televangelist whom he slaughtered all over the country that you dumbasses are trying to write in couldn't disprove that.

You really should research before you step in it further.

So now what you Trumpanzees? You demonized Cruz over his wife' former employment as if he were the Devil incarnate, and now your very own NY Lib hires, not just a lib, but a Soros lib.

But Mnuchin's extensive history of considerable campaign contributions suggests the Wall Street veteran is more interested in getting Democrats elected than Republicans.

FEC records show that over the course of 18 years, beginning with a $500 donation to Democrat Chuck Schumer's Senate campaign in 1998, Mnuchin has made $68,300 in campaign contributions.
ighty-five percent, or $57,800 of which has gone to Democratic candidates in gubernatorial, senatorial and presidential races.

Among the Democratic candidates Trump's finance chairman has contributed to: President Obama ($4,300); former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ($8,200); former Democratic presidential nominees John Kerry ($500) and Al Gore ($1,000); former Democratic Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards ($4,100); former Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu ($2,300); New York Sen. Chuck Schumer ($2,500) and former New Jersey congressional candidate Michael Wildes ($11,500).

Mnuchin also contributed $10,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in 2004.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-05/trump-picks-former-goldman-partner-and-soros-employee-finance-chairman
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-new-finance-chairman-has-long-history-of-donating-to-dems/article/2590486

QuoteThe TEA party was tremendous in 2010. They held very effective town halls and rallies and knock the media and the left back on their heels and were the one of the reasons the Republicans won astonishing victories all the way down to the local municipal level (the other was the sheer of Obama and a left wing Democrats swiftly ushering in a Bolshievik revolution).

But then Obama and company (as well as the GOP establishment) had the perfect solution to the TEA movement- Lois Lerner

All Lois Lerner had to so was audit them and send the FBI at their doors and the TEA parties became the TEA pussies and bolted under the nearest rock just in time for Obama's reelection. Some of the members of the TEA coalition who didn't completely clip their balls off are are still working behind the scenes and carrying on the good fight and our prayers are with them but their all but gone. The only reason the Republicans managed to get the Senate in 2014 was purely because the public voted against Obama and absolutely no other reason than that.

So TEA owned 2010 and Lois Lerner owned TEA ever since.

Yet you ignore the fact that Trump was helping the GOP attack TEA?
Also, TEA is alive and well, TEA is an ideology, one that cannot be killed.

QuoteAnd as far as Conservative Treehouse and Brietbart at least they out to the right candidate for the conservative cause instead of the Goldman Sachs televangelist that the GOP establishment decided to back and that you Hillary helpers are trying to write in.

ROFL!!! Still stuck on stupid I see.

QuoteLike I say, the whole mindless Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative mantra is just a psychological cover for the fact that Trump has far more balls than what NeverTrump pussies are comfortable with. Their battered wife reaction to Trump is a result of Battered Conservative Syndrome and their pussified fear of the left. Many of them as well sneer at Trump's confident persona, winning theme, and masterfully run campaign because it gives them flashbacks from their high school days of the popular jock with the prom queen girlfriend who used to give them wedgies back then. NeverTrump-ism is a psychological self-deprecation that the NeverTrumper must get over. It's main symptom includes pointing their finger at anyone who even looks at them wrong and angrily shouting "Not a conservative!!!" which is really the subliminal communication mean "By the  power vested in me by the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers (the NeverTrump excuse for the "conservative movement") you are hereby banished from the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers. Banishment includes (but is not limited to) non participation in all think tanks, talk radio shows, position papers, news outlets, temple rituals, sacred holy rites, secret passwords, secret handshakes, and coded messages in the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers (i.e. so-called "conservatism" as they define it).

This so called 'masterful" campaign you claim, was in essence geared toward LIV, Libs and those of your ilk, Millennial that just discovered politics in the last decade.

QuoteThus NeverTrumpers are total frauds, shills, and the worst form of traitors since they are perfectly willing to sabatoge the convention and hand the White House and the already left wing Supreme Court to Hillary because they want to prove a point about how mad they are that the GOP Establishment-backed Goldman Sachs televangelist ran a terrible campaign and lost.

Sadly you drank the leftist Kool Aid that was telling you Trump is a Conservative, so if that's the case, why does Trump campaign for Sanders voters and stated quite clearly, that he didn't need the Conservative vote to win?
Think about that, the base of the GOP is, not only being pushed aside by the GOP, Trump is trying to stifle our voice as well.
And you call yourself a conservative?

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2016, 05:15:11 PM
Bragging about one's dick size is the macho equivalent to boasting how much beer one can consume before passing out.
Yeah, that's some real manly shit, because it takes a complete idiot with serious self esteem issues willing to look like a complete ass.
Seriously, look back over your life and remember just what kind of fool bragged about such shit, they we're generally the type to lie about their wealth, their sex life, and when asked where they live, they'd claim they were helping out mommy and daddy by living in the basement.

Take Trump, lived off daddy all his life, lies about his wealth as well as claiming he's hung.
Yeah, that's one real man the Trumpanzees have right there, I kid you not.....

Exactly!!!   :thumbsup:

Quote from: Solar on July 04, 2016, 07:25:03 PM
You really should research before you step in it further.

So now what you Trumpanzees? You demonized Cruz over his wife' former employment as if he were the Devil incarnate, and now your very own NY Lib hires, not just a lib, but a Soros lib.

But Mnuchin's extensive history of considerable campaign contributions suggests the Wall Street veteran is more interested in getting Democrats elected than Republicans.

FEC records show that over the course of 18 years, beginning with a $500 donation to Democrat Chuck Schumer's Senate campaign in 1998, Mnuchin has made $68,300 in campaign contributions.
ighty-five percent, or $57,800 of which has gone to Democratic candidates in gubernatorial, senatorial and presidential races.

Among the Democratic candidates Trump's finance chairman has contributed to: President Obama ($4,300); former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ($8,200); former Democratic presidential nominees John Kerry ($500) and Al Gore ($1,000); former Democratic Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards ($4,100); former Louisiana Sen. Mary Landrieu ($2,300); New York Sen. Chuck Schumer ($2,500) and former New Jersey congressional candidate Michael Wildes ($11,500).

Mnuchin also contributed $10,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in 2004.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-05/trump-picks-former-goldman-partner-and-soros-employee-finance-chairman
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-new-finance-chairman-has-long-history-of-donating-to-dems/article/2590486


Yet you ignore the fact that Trump was helping the GOP attack TEA?
Also, TEA is alive and well, TEA is an ideology, one that cannot be killed.

ROFL!!! Still stuck on stupid I see.
This so called 'masterful" campaign you claim, was in essence geared toward LIV, Libs and those of your ilk, Millennial that just discovered politics in the last decade.

Sadly you drank the leftist Kool Aid that was telling you Trump is a Conservative, so if that's the case, why does Trump campaign for Sanders voters and stated quite clearly, that he didn't need the Conservative vote to win?
Think about that, the base of the GOP is, not only being pushed aside by the GOP, Trump is trying to stifle our voice as well.
And you call yourself a conservative?

With regard to Mnuchin, do you think his hiring of Kelly Ann Conway as a senior campaign staffer and Trump spokeswoman balance things out for you?

Or is she now "Not a conservative!!!" since she started working for Trump? Research that one for me.

I'm glad to hear that TEA is alive and well. So when is it going to get up off its ass and do something? Lois Lerner is not at the IRS anymore and were halfway toward being the Soviet Union in our seventh year of Obama and his left wing Supreme Court.

Donald Trump never attacked TEA. He just gave lots of money to the GOP who turned around and attacked TEA. Ted Cruz on the other hand was chair of the RSCC at the time that they ran all those left wing attack ads against Chris McDaniels in the Mississippi primary calling the TEA candidate a racist in order to help Thad Cochren get Democrat crossovers. So Ted Cruz, not Donald Trump, attacked TEA.

Must have been part of the deal that he and Rand Paul both made not to oppose Mitch McConnell's agenda.

But the most important part of all is that Trump won and won big. He did that however he needed to do it just like he's going to now in the general because the salvation of this country from left is worth achieving by whatever means are necessary.

NeverTrumpers want to sit around and pride themselves on how "conservative" they are while the left destroys the country all around them. Conservatives who are backing Trump are determined to stop the left no matter what has to be done.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 04, 2016, 08:32:36 PM
Exactly!!!   :thumbsup:

Hey Ms. Independence

I encourage you not to fall prey to the stupidity of NeverTrumpers. I have already given my psychological diagnosis of that garbage above.

I too wish Trump was more conservative, but conservatives are in desperate need of the other attributes that he brings to the table that the conservative movement is completely lacking (e. g.the raw, in-your-face aggressiveness, masterful political meneuvering and ability to manipulate the media).

Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 09:35:11 PM
With regard to Mnuchin, do you think his hiring of Kelly Ann Conway as a senior campaign staffer and Trump spokeswoman balance things out for you?

Or is she now "Not a conservative!!!" since she started working for Trump? Research that one for me.

Hit a nerve I see. I bet you think pedophiles should be forgiven because they donate to Shriners children hospital.

QuoteI'm glad to hear that TEA is alive and well. So when is it going to get up off its ass and do something? Lois Lerner is not at the IRS anymore and were halfway toward being the Soviet Union in our seventh year of Obama and his left wing Supreme Court.

There you are with another disconnect from Conservatism. TEA is not a party, get that through your head, it's an Shared Ideal, a way of life, something you either understand or you don't, and it's blatantly obvious the more you yap, the more you prove your lib status.
Hey, I think it's great that you're a recent convert, but seriously, if you really want to steer the nation back on track, you'll first have to define your values and set them in stone.
TEA/Conservatives believe in equal Rights, not special Rights and we are not in the least racist nor do we hold ones religion against them, as you seem to have an issue with Cruz being a Christian.
Once you can evolve beyond your prejudices you're well on your way to being a Conservative, but that's only scratching the surface of what being and living Conservatism means, it's not a political movement, it's pure values, and that's why the left, the Establishment and Trump have no use for us, we believe in the rule of law, not a consensus of those at the moment, as in Demcracy.

QuoteDonald Trump never attacked TEA. He just gave lots of money to the GOP who turned around and attacked TEA. Ted Cruz on the other hand was chair of the RSCC at the time that they ran all those left wing attack ads against Chris McDaniels in the Mississippi primary calling the TEA candidate a racist in order to help Thad Cochren get Democrat crossovers. So Ted Cruz, not Donald Trump, attacked TEA.

Aw Jeez, do you even know WTF the RSCC is?

QuoteMust have been part of the deal that he and Rand Paul both made not to oppose Mitch McConnell's agenda.

But the most important part of all is that Trump won and won big. He did that however he needed to do it just like he's going to now in the general because the salvation of this country from left is worth achieving by whatever means are necessary.

He did it with the help of the Establishment GOP, Leftist Media and support of crossover libs, and you still don't see a problem?

QuoteNeverTrumpers want to sit around and pride themselves on how "conservative" they are while the left destroys the country all around them. Conservatives who are backing Trump are determined to stop the left no matter what has to be done.

One last time, there are no Fucking Conservatives backing Trump!!!
Real Conservatives would never vote for a lib, especially one that lied all the way through his campaign, then flipped on those lies, like, well well you know, libs and RINO always do.

Doesn't it bother you that he plans on making every illegal here, a citizen, that he never intended to send them home first?
Dana on Conservatism and TEA and Trump. Two minutes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJs8-K17A1s

Quote from: taxed on July 04, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Gary Johnson's stealing Trump votes...  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I liken it to, "I'd rather get WASTED than vote for TRUMP" mentality.

So the way to rope in the Conservatives is insult them? Sounds like a Democrat to me, since there isn't a smidgen of positive rational thought that compels a Constitutional Conservative to vote for him.  Even more disturbing - of the 3 candidates still openly running, a Libertarian is closest to a Constitutional Conservative.

Given the 3, I sympathize with Republicans voting Libertarian on the POTUS ticket, and Republican down-the-ticket, better half-a-oaf than a complete oaf...

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:13:30 AM
Hit a nerve I see. I bet you think pedophiles should be forgiven because they donate to Shriners children hospital.j

There you are with another disconnect from Conservatism. TEA is not a party, get that through your head, it's an Shared Ideal, a way of life, something you either understand or you don't, and it's blatantly obvious the more you yap, the more you prove your lib status.
Hey, I think it's great that you're a recent convert, but seriously, if you really want to steer the nation back on track, you'll first have to define your values and set them in stone.
TEA/Conservatives believe in equal Rights, not special Rights and we are not in the least racist nor do we hold ones religion against them, as you seem to have an issue with Cruz being a Christian.
Once you can evolve beyond your prejudices you're well on your way to being a Conservative, but that's only scratching the surface of what being and living Conservatism means, it's not a political movement, it's pure values, and that's why the left, the Establishment and Trump have no use for us, we believe in the rule of law, not a consensus of those at the moment, as in Demcracy.

Aw Jeez, do you even know WTF the RSCC is?

He did it with the help of the Establishment GOP, Leftist Media and support of crossover libs, and you still don't see a problem?

One last time, there are no Fucking Conservatives backing Trump!!!
Real Conservatives would never vote for a lib, especially one that lied all the way through his campaign, then flipped on those lies, like, well well you know, libs and RINO always do.

Doesn't it bother you that he plans on making every illegal here, a citizen, that he never intended to send them home first?
Dana on Conservatism and TEA and Trump. Two minutes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJs8-K17A1s

No the Tea Party is not a religion like global warming or militant Islam. It's a grassroots political movement to restore both the government and the country.

Not sure what you're talking about with to whole pedophile thing. You're just babbling incoherently on that.

As far as Cruz being a Christian he was absolutely right to be open about that and embrace it as all candidates who are Christians should (Trump did the same thing). But making it a central theme in one's campaign is simply bad strategy because one's Christian is simply too personal and it can get to the point where the supporters will start questioning the faith of anyone who does not support their candidate which Cruz supporter have done quite a bit and it's a nasty turnoff.

Trump plans to deport all illegals and build a wall on the whole border and if you've followed the race at all you should know this as it's been a central theme of his campaign. That's why real conservative who are trying to save the country from the left are backing Trump and the GOP establishment and nut cases like Dana Loesch, Brent Bozell, Katie Pavilich and you guys who make TEA into a fanatical religion like Islam are backing Cruz.

Not to mention mention the three above are by establishment entities to oppose Trump.

Question. You Trump supporters said you didn't need us. You don't agree with anything the conservative right does. So why exactly are you continually trying to bring us over to your side. If you don't need us, leave us alone to fester in our "ignorance". OR - are you starting to realize that the people whom you've been insulting for months, are essential to any hope of victory for you. You don't know crap about  party politics - or common decency. Or else you would have long since learned how to disagree with someone without the constant stream of insults. Even now you're deep into insult mode. While at the same time insisting we join you. And you don't even notice the dichotomy there.

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
No the Tea Party is not a religion like global warming or militant Islam. It's a grassroots political movement to restore both the government and the country.

Not sure what you're talking about with to whole pedophile thing. You're just babbling incoherently on that.

As far as Cruz being a Christian he was absolutely right to be open about that and embrace it as all candidates who are Christians should (Trump did the same thing). But making it a central theme in one's campaign is simply bad strategy because one's Christian is simply too personal and it can get to the point where the supporters will start questioning the faith of anyone who does not support their candidate which Cruz supporter have done quite a bit and it's a nasty turnoff.

Trump plans to deport all illegals and build a wall on the whole border and if you've followed the race at all you should know this as it's been a central theme of his campaign. That's why real conservative who are trying to save the country from the left are backing Trump and the GOP establishment and nut cases like Dana Loesch, Brent Bozell, Katie Pavilich and you guys who make TEA into a fanatical religion like Islam are backing Cruz.

Not to mention mention the three above are by establishment entities to oppose Trump.

Uh, hate to spring this on you but trump has backpedaled on that deportation thing.
http://addictinginfo.org/2016/06/26/trumps-flip-flop-now-hes-complaining-that-obama-deports-too-many-people/
I don't hold it against you for not knowing, after all trumpo flips on so much but I wanted to pass this along just in case you want to look for another reason to back the trumpster. 

Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 07:06:41 PM
Take that back, like all other NeverTrumpers you're just another hysterical dumbass running around screaming to everyone "You're not a conservative!" "You're not a conservative!"

You're not a conservative.  You're supporting a radical liberal who is a liar and scams people.  Conservatives don't support people like that.  This really seems to confuse you for some reason.

Quote
Time for reality check:

Donald Trump gave money to anyone and everyone that was political- both Republicans and Democrats- and praised whatever political cause he needed to because as an international businessman his job was to get along with people.

Donald couldn't do business without bribing politicians?  That's because he's not a businessman.

Quote
Sadly, all the lies from the from the Goldman Sachs televangelist whom he slaughtered all over the country that you dumbasses are trying to write in couldn't disprove that.

There were no lies, no matter how much you want to stomp your feet and say it's so.

Quote
The TEA party was tremendous in 2010. They held very effective town halls and rallies and knock the media and the left back on their heels and were the one of the reasons the Republicans won astonishing victories all the way down to the local municipal level (the other was the sheer terror of Obama and a left wing Democrats swiftly ushering in a Bolshievik revolution).

That's why Trump's assistant said he was tasked with figuring out what hot button issue conservatives were hot on.

Quote
But then Obama and company (as well as the GOP establishment) had the perfect solution to the TEA movement- Lois Lerner

All Lois Lerner had to so was audit them and send the FBI at their doors and the TEA parties became the TEA pussies and bolted under the nearest rock just in time for Obama's reelection. Some of the members of the TEA coalition who didn't completely clip their balls off are are still working behind the scenes and carrying on the good fight and our prayers are with them but the rest are all but gone. The only reason the Republicans managed to get the Senate in 2014 was purely because the public voted against Obama and absolutely no other reason than that.

You really don't have a clue about politics.  This partially explains your Trump support.

Quote
So TEA owned 2010 and Lois Lerner owned TEA ever since.

Look liks Donald will be the only who couldn't stay out of court before their convention.

Quote
And as far as Conservative Treehouse and Brietbart at least they sold out to the right candidate for the conservative cause instead of the Goldman Sachs televangelist that the GOP establishment decided to back and that you Hillary helpers are trying to write in.

Breitbart was strongly anti-Trump when he was alive.  It's not his fault the organization went liberal.

Quote
Like I say, the whole mindless Donald-Trump-is-not-a-conservative mantra is just a psychological cover for the fact that Trump has far more balls than what NeverTrump pussies are comfortable with.

He's so brave.  At least Hillary pretended to have taken enemy fire.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12156009/Donald-Trump-set-to-come-under-attack-over-Vietnam-deferments.html

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Their battered wife reaction to Trump is a result of Battered Conservative Syndrome and their pussified fear of the left.

You talk about the left in third person.  You are the left, silly.  You want gun control, government run health care, etc.  That's all you.

Quote
Many of them as well sneer at Trump's confident persona, winning theme, and masterfully run campaign because it gives them flashbacks from their high school days of the popular jock with the prom queen girlfriend who used to give them wedgies in the locker room.

Wow.  His genetailia reference really did get you pumped.  Donald is a clown, and us normal people can see that.  You're infatuation, as you described it, is your own delusion.  It's why people of low intellect got bilked out of money from Trump University, or why people send money to Nigerian email scammers.  Your candidate is a professional loser.  That's just a fact.

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NeverTrump-ism is a psychological self-deprecation that the NeverTrumper must get over. It's main symptom includes pointing their finger at anyone who even looks at them wrong and angrily shouting "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!" which is really the subliminal communication meaning "By the  power vested in me by the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers (the NeverTrump excuse for the "conservative movement") you are hereby banished from the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers.

I think you watched "Karate Kid" and "Revenge of the Nerds" one too many times.  You're describing a fantasy in your head.  Trump was never a winner, no matter how much you want to believe it.

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Banishment includes (but is not limited to) non participation in all think tanks, talk radio shows, position papers, news outlets, temple rituals, sacred holy rites, secret passwords, secret handshakes, and coded messages in the Great Fraternal Order of Nerds, Dorks, and Losers (i.e. so-called "conservatism" as they define it).

Those people all aren't scared to release their tax returns.

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Thus NeverTrumpers are total frauds, shills, and the worst form of traitors since they are perfectly willing to sabatoge the convention and hand the White House and the already left wing Supreme Court to Hillary because they want to prove a point about how mad they are that the GOP Establishment-backed Goldman Sachs televangelist ran a terrible campaign and lost.

Hillary is a good friend of Donald Trump.  Why would you have a problem with her?  He doesn't.

Quote from: TFields on July 04, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
Hey Ms. Independence

I encourage you not to fall prey to the stupidity of NeverTrumpers. I have already given my psychological diagnosis of that garbage above.

I too wish Trump was more conservative, but conservatives are in desperate need of the other attributes that he brings to the table that the conservative movement is completely lacking (e. g.the raw, in-your-face aggressiveness, masterful political meneuvering and ability to manipulate the media).

What issue is Trump conservative on?

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 10:34:19 AM
No the Tea Party is not a religion like global warming or militant Islam. It's a grassroots political movement to restore both the government and the country.

Not sure what you're talking about with to whole pedophile thing. You're just babbling incoherently on that.

Gee, big shock there.

QuoteAs far as Cruz being a Christian he was absolutely right to be open about that and embrace it as all candidates who are Christians should (Trump did the same thing). But making it a central theme in one's campaign is simply bad strategy because one's Christian is simply too personal and it can get to the point where the supporters will start questioning the faith of anyone who does not support their candidate which Cruz supporter have done quite a bit and it's a nasty turnoff.

Interesting how you see ones faith as an impediment, while ignoring Trump's non faith, in pretending to be a Christian as a positive.

Trump plans to deport all illegals and build a wall on the whole border and if you've followed the race at all you should know this as it's been a central theme of his campaign.

You are sadly mistaken.
"I have called it a virtual wall. ... Maybe we will be building a wall over some aspects of it; I don't know," the Clarence Republican said of Trump's proposed barrier to keep illegal immigrants and drugs from crossing the southern border.

And, he also said this:

"I call it a rhetorical deportation of 12 million people," Collins said.

He then gestured toward a door in his Capitol Hill office.

"They go out that door, they go in that room, they get their work papers, Social Security number, then they come in that door, and they've got legal work status but are not citizens of the United States," Collins said. "So there was a virtual deportation as they left that door for processing and came in this door."

Collins added: "We're not going to put them on a bus, and we're not going to drive them across the border."

That's what Collins said — not necessarily Trump himself. But it really amounts to only the latest and perhaps largest potential evolution of Trump's immigration policy plans. There have been lots of little and hard-to-describe tweaks along the way — almost as if Trump has formulated it on the fly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/20/what-does-donald-trump-really-believe-about-immigration/

That's why real conservative who are trying to save the country from the left are backing Trump and the GOP establishment and nut cases like Dana Loesch, Brent Bozell, Katie Pavilich and you guys who make TEA into a fanatical religion like Islam are backing Cruz.
You've already proven you haven't the first clue what a Conservative is, so drop that line of idiocy!

QuoteNot to mention mention the three above are by establishment entities to oppose Trump.

Keep posting your ignorance on everything politics..
Wake up lib, everything about Trump Screams Socialist!!!!

Trump's Big Government, 'Expedited' Revolving-Door Amnesty Plan Would Cost $375 BILLION
About his support for socialized healthcare for the poor, Trump says, 'If I lose votes over that, or if I don't get a nomination over that, that's just fine with me'

Now that the media is forcing Donald Trump to provide specifics to back up his bravado and bluster, he's revealing himself to be just another big-spending, big-government Republican — at least when it comes to two of the nation's most complex and intractable problems: funding healthcare for the poor and what to do about the millions of undocumented residents living in the United States.

In an interview with CNN's Dana Bash, Donald Trump admitted he once supported socialized healthcare in the form of a single-payer system like Medicare for seniors in the United States and the cradle-to-grave socialized systems in Canada, Great Britain, Spain, Japan, Kuwait and other U.S. competitor and allied nations.

Trump Supports Socialized Health Coverage for the Poor
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/07/30/trumps-big-government-expedited-revolving-door-amnesty-program-would-cost-375-billion/

Quote from: mdgiles on July 05, 2016, 11:02:53 AM
Question. You Trump supporters said you didn't need us. You don't agree with anything the conservative right does. So why exactly are you continually trying to bring us over to your side. If you don't need us, leave us alone to fester in our "ignorance". OR - are you starting to realize that the people whom you've been insulting for months, are essential to any hope of victory for you. You don't know crap about  party politics - or common decency. Or else you would have long since learned how to disagree with someone without the constant stream of insults. Even now you're deep into insult mode. While at the same time insisting we join you. And you don't even notice the dichotomy there.

Pssst!  He's secretly working for Hillary.... and it's working:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2016/0702/Gender-vs.-party-Why-Republican-women-are-moving-to-Clinton-s-camp

Quote"It's really important that Republican leaders, especially Republican women leaders, stand up right now and say we're not OK with Trump representing our party," Jennifer Lim, a group founder who has been actively involved in Republican campaigns up until this year, told CNN reporter Chris Moody.

These "Republican Women for Hillary" have not had a sudden change of heart about the core policies that have made them vote Republican all their lives, explained Ms. Lim. Instead, they simply want to keep Donald Trump out of office, she says. They believe his election would be disastrous for the party.

Oh yeah - read on....

Quote"Women want to be respected by their candidate, and comments that he's made both historically and in this race turn them off and raise skepticism that he will represent their interests when and if he's in office," says Kelly Dittmar, a scholar at the Center for American Women and Politics, in an interview with The Christian Science Monitor.

"It's influential in their evaluations of him," she says, "but will that dislike of him translate into not voting for him or voting for Hillary Clinton?"

Pathetic.  Trump had the opportunity to win the Republican electorate over - but he alienates us, insults & demeans our women ... I must conclude he is a Hillary plant.   

Must read article, and watch the Steve Deace video clip at the end.  (my emphasis in the article)

QuoteTrump has a few weeks to craft a campaign capable of winning in the fall. Otherwise, given the way he's being incredibly out-spent on television this summer, his branding will be irreversible. He should start with these three steps:

Select a running mate who is first qualified to actually govern, and second helps him gain a foothold in the Electoral College. None of the current names being bandied about meet that threshold. So scrap the current timeline, start over and come up with a name prior to convention that does. Whatever it takes.

Trump has a major credibility problem, and not just with the general electorate. A majority of Americans simply don't see him as a credible president. He needs to change that and start presenting himself more as a president, less as a reality TV show star.
.....
Trump needs to introduce an issues-based agenda that can actually drive a narrative and define a campaign. Not the hodge-podge of talking points/ideas he usually presents, like last week's disastrous trade speech. He cannot beat the Clintons on personality/scandal/corruption, because no one can. He must make the election about issues, otherwise he has no chance.

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/how-is-trump-still-losing-to-the-boogeywoman-in-a-pantsuit#sthash.skvTeDCY.dpuf

I think Trump's lack of "issues-based agenda" or as I've said political policy to define who-he-is per the Constitution is his biggest mistake.  Without solid political policies, it's just a patchwork of guesses who the guy is, and his past record speaks volumes - namely, he's still not one of us.

Deace goes on at the end of the article, with the conspiracy theory, Donald Trump is a saboteur - a position I would find difficult to refute.  watch the video at the end, and see if you don't agree with the basic narrative, Donald Trump should have dominated the campaign, yet he's losing to Hillary Clinton... why?

Quote from: Hoofer on July 05, 2016, 10:12:15 AM
I liken it to, "I'd rather get WASTED than vote for TRUMP" mentality.

So the way to rope in the Conservatives is insult them? Sounds like a Democrat to me, since there isn't a smidgen of positive rational thought that compels a Constitutional Conservative to vote for him.  Even more disturbing - of the 3 candidates still openly running, a Libertarian is closest to a Constitutional Conservative.

Given the 3, I sympathize with Republicans voting Libertarian on the POTUS ticket, and Republican down-the-ticket, better half-a-oaf than a complete oaf...

NeverTrumpers just run around insulting everyone. Screaming "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!"

I was going to try to explain why I'm voting for Trump and other conservatives should as well and need not fear that he's some closet Democrat. But I can't even get a word in edgewise for all of the foaming-at-the-mouth vitriolic bullshit along with the "Not a conservative!!!" "Not a conservative!!!" spasms you guys break out in when you don't even know anything about my position other than I'm backing Trump. I've been on this forum for three days it's not anything except insult after insult from NeverTrump Cruz supporters claiming to be Christians as soon as they heard I'm a Trump guy.

So when your claiming that Trump supporters insult you it's what Sigmund Freud called psychological projection- imagining the other people are doing what you yourself are doing.

I don't know who spews more hatred; Black Lives Matter or you NeverTrump Cruz supporters. At least after Black Lives Matter spews their hate they don't turn around and then claim what wonderful Christians they are.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
NeverTrumpers just run around insulting everyone. Screaming "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!"

Trump isn't a conservative.  He's a liberal.  That's a fact.  Conservatives don't vote for liberals.

This shouldn't be that hard.

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I was going to try to explain why I'm voting for Trump and other conservatives should as well and need not fear that he's some closet Democrat.

You are correct, he's not a closet Democrat.  Nobody claims he is.  He's been out of the closet.

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But I can't even get a word in edgewise for all of the foaming-at-the-mouth vitriolic bullshit along with the "Not a conservative!!!" "Not a conservative!!!" spasms you guys break out in when you don't even know anything about my position other than I'm backing Trump. I've been on this forum for three days it's not anything except insult after insult from NeverTrump Cruz supporters claiming to be Christians as soon as they heard I'm a Trump guy.

Trump isn't a conservative.  He's liberal on immigration, health care, and on and on.  You support him because you're a liberal.  That's just reality.

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So when your claiming that Trump supporters insult you it's what Sigmund Freud called psychological projection- imagining the other people are doing what you yourself are doing.

Trumpers have a hard time with reality.  We don't support policies like universal health care.  You do.  We don't.  That's a Marxist liberal position.

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I don't know who spews more hatred; Black Lives Matter or you NeverTrump Cruz supporters. At least after Black Lives Matter spews their hate they don't turn around and then claim what wonderful Christians they are.

What are we saying that's hateful again?  We will try and take it down a notch like Donald does.

Quote from: AmericanMom on June 29, 2016, 01:25:11 PM
In a round about way I have asked this question and the response I get, the ONLY response I get is "well, he isn't Hillary"  Of course I try to explain that up until just a few short years ago he supported that women, both with money and with his praise. It matters little when I try to point out that everything he has until this moment ran on he has back peddled away from.. It just don't matter to them, he is a Republican and in their mind voting republican is all they care about, character does not matter, substance does not matter. A freaking track record does not matter
I stick by voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil

I'm a conservative who's a die hard Trump backer. I was trying to explain why I am to NeverTrump conservatives who backed Cruz but you can't even try to talk to them. As soon as they find out you're a Trump person they immediately foam at the mouth and spew hate- filled vitriol at you and argrily snarl "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!" at you.

They then claim what great Christians they are.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 08:30:18 PM
I'm a conservative who's a die hard Trump backer.

You're not a conservative.  Please don't lie.  Supporting someone who partakes in scams, supports liberal positions, steals from employees, and other liberal behaviors is not a conservative thing to  do.

You are not conservative.  You're still a kid who's trying to figure out how to pee straight.  Trump supporters aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the closet.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
NeverTrumpers just run around insulting everyone. Screaming "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!"

I was going to try to explain why I'm voting for Trump and other conservatives should as well and need not fear that he's some closet Democrat. But I can't even get a word in edgewise for all of the foaming-at-the-mouth vitriolic bullshit along with the "Not a conservative!!!" "Not a conservative!!!" spasms you guys break out in when you don't even know anything about my position other than I'm backing Trump. I've been on this forum for three days it's not anything except insult after insult from NeverTrump Cruz supporters claiming to be Christians as soon as they heard I'm a Trump guy.

So when your claiming that Trump supporters insult you it's what Sigmund Freud called psychological projection- imagining the other people are doing what you yourself are doing.

I don't know who spews more hatred; Black Lives Matter or you NeverTrump Cruz supporters. At least after Black Lives Matter spews their hate they don't turn around and then claim what wonderful Christians they are.

Wrong... but it begs the question...so why are you still here?

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 08:30:18 PM

They then claim what great Christians they are.

????????????????????  making up straw men again. common among trump supporters.

QuoteI was going to try to explain why I'm voting for Trump and other conservatives should as well and need not fear that he's some closet Democrat.

Then do so, only thing stopping you is your whining that someone is stopping you.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 08:30:18 PM

They then claim what great Christians they are.

As s3779m pointed out, nice straw man.
One thing about this forum you may not be aware of, is that any claims made, must be prepared to be backed up with evidence to said claims.
In many cases we get trolls coming in and making these ludicrous claims hoping to incite anger and bring the forum to it's knees. but I know that's not your intention.
But let this be a warning, if you're going to create straw men to make your case, eventually you run afoul into your own arguments and literally make yourself irellevant as well as become poster child of your cause, which you are doing anyway.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 08:15:45 PM
NeverTrumpers just run around insulting everyone. Screaming "Not a conservative!!! Not a conservative!!!"

I was going to try to explain why I'm voting for Trump and other conservatives should as well and need not fear that he's some closet Democrat. But I can't even get a word in edgewise for all of the foaming-at-the-mouth vitriolic bullshit along with the "Not a conservative!!!" "Not a conservative!!!" spasms you guys break out in when you don't even know anything about my position other than I'm backing Trump. I've been on this forum for three days it's not anything except insult after insult from NeverTrump Cruz supporters claiming to be Christians as soon as they heard I'm a Trump guy.

So when your claiming that Trump supporters insult you it's what Sigmund Freud called psychological projection- imagining the other people are doing what you yourself are doing.

I don't know who spews more hatred; Black Lives Matter or you NeverTrump Cruz supporters. At least after Black Lives Matter spews their hate they don't turn around and then claim what wonderful Christians they are.

If you went back and did a search about "projecting" - you'd realize we already labeled Donald Trump when he kept calling Ted Cruz a liar.

The rest of your reply lacks any substance worth replying to, it's just the same insults we typically hear from folks who lack a solid political position to stand on. 

Speaking of Christians... if you were Jesus, then you'd be justified in passing judgment on Christians - also called the-bride-of-Christ, His Church.  But as we know, Trump, the accuser of the brethren, visits church 2-3 times a year, while Hillary and Bill visit church almost every week.  If faithfulness is your measure of worthiness then reconsider Hillary, and dump Trump.  For the rest of us, He did say we'd be insulted ... by unbelievers.

I think you're really in the Hillary camp, it's OK, you can admit it.

Quote from: Yukon on July 18, 2016, 08:13:21 AM
There is an old saying that goes like this: "Not all conservatives (sic Republicans) are racists but you can safely bet that all racists are conservatives". After reading these posts that statement is so accurate, so true, so current....

You mean Trump supporters are racist, but then, only a racist, and generally a white guilted lib would make such an ignorant statement.
If you have nothing to add to the forum, then take a hike, or I'll pack your bags for you.
Can you lose the vitriol, or is that an inherent trait of all liberals?

Quote from: Yukon on July 18, 2016, 08:21:18 AM
SOLAR,
What makes you think I'm a Liberal?

The fact that you're a complete moron which is a liberal qualifier, and your email screams myopic fool.
Bobbysandssparky, find a real cause loser. and say good night, your BS brings nothing to the forum.