Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Unions can/have done both negative and good things. You only see the negatives. There are some things which a society should not wait for the market place to correct ( If it ever does). An example would be health and safety. Another would be a wage where you can feed your family.

What good have unions done exactly. Much of the "good" that has been credited to unions had far more to do with the lower rates of immigration, and the contraction of the labor market.

Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:31:05 AM
It very clearly says in my quote, PRIVET sector. It also has a graph in my fist link too. If you get distorted by that, you're a simpleton.

Is your "A" key failing? PRIVET?

Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.

If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.

Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.

Oh good Lord. I am so tired of hearing that same old tired saw from you lying dogs on the left. How in the phuck was a group called THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY, right wing. It's one of the greatest examples of the lies the Left uses to advance itself, that it blames the corporatist ideology of the Fascists and Nazis on the political right. The Nazis and Facists hated the political right.

Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.

If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.

Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.

I am just curious if you could give us some of your examples of this welfare:

"There is very little talk about welfare to the rich."

Another quote:

"If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders."

Unlike most libs I do not carry envy and hate of the rich. Most folks in this category earned their way to their economic status.

Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.

If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.

I have read mein Kampf, and I have also read Karl Maria wiligut, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and countless post war history books on the subject. And it is you who is confused, I can't believe you have read all these books and never noticed that the term nazi was a slang for the NSDAP "National Socialist Germany Worker Party" 

But please go ahead kid, tell me all about the liberty loving, christianity adoring and private property protecting Nazis 

Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.

And heeere we go again with the broken record. Let me do you a quote from the game Farcry 3

QuoteDid I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. The first time somebody told me that, I dunno, I thought they were bullshitting me, so, I shot him. The thing is... He was right. And then I started seeing, everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again thinking 'this time is gonna be different' no, no, no please... This time is gonna be different, I'm sorry, I don't like... The way...

To summarize; You communists are fucking crazy! 

Edit: ops didn't notice mdgiles beat me to it. Oh well 

QuoteEdit: ops didn't notice mdgiles beat me to it. Oh well 

That's okay. The more people that understand that the better. And of course, it's a handy way of singling out those leftists who are only repeating what they've been told, and really don't have a clue.

Quote from: mdgiles on September 16, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
That's okay. The more people that understand that the better. And of course, it's a handy way of singling out those leftists who are only repeating what they've been told, and really don't have a clue.

We've told him this twice in the past, yet he still regurgitates leftist drivel.
Something tells me he's not interested in anything that might force him to rethink his conviction to socialism.

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
I have read mein Kampf, and I have also read Karl Maria wiligut, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and countless post war history books on the subject. And it is you who is confused, I can't believe you have read all these books and never noticed that the term nazi was a slang for the NSDAP "National Socialist Germany Worker Party" 

To summarize; You communists are fucking crazy! 

The Socialist part of NSDAP has nothing to do the term as you see it. It has nothing to do with economics, but rather the collective aspect of Germans against foreigners and inferior races/governments.

"We don't say to the rich, please give something to these poor people, instead we say German people help yourselves! Everyone must help, whether you're rich and poor. Everyone must think that there is a always someone in a much worse situation than me and this person I shall help, as a comrade in the Volk! "

4:10 minute mark to 4:35

Adolf Hitler: The Man they Call the Devil

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 10:45:26 AM


But please go ahead kid, tell me all about the liberty loving, christianity adoring and private property protecting Nazis 

Hitler makes many references to god and was raised a Roman Catholic. He also believed in private property. He
completely destroyed German Unions and believed a large amount of public funds should go to the military. He also believed in expansion and imperialism. He hated communism. He hated gays. He hated foreigners. Sounds like a few people on this forum.

I'm not saying this is the same as liberty or traditional liberalism or libertarianism. That is why Nazism is counted as 'authoritarian right'.

Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
The Socialist part of NSDAP has nothing to do the term as you see it. It has nothing to do with economics, but rather the collective aspect of Germans against foreigners and inferior races/governments.

"We don't say to the rich, please give something to these poor people, instead we say German people help yourselves! Everyone must help, whether you're rich and poor. Everyone must think that there is a always someone in a much worse situation than me and this person I shall help, as a comrade in the Volk! "

4:10 minute mark to 4:35

Adolf Hitler: The Man they Call the Devil

Hitler makes many references to god and was raised a Roman Catholic. He also believed in private property. He
completely destroyed German Unions and believed a large amount of public funds should go to the military. He also believed in expansion and imperialism. He hated communism. He hated gays. He hated foreigners. Sounds like a few people on this forum.

I'm not saying this is the same as liberty or traditional liberalism or libertarianism. That is why Nazism is counted as 'authoritarian right'.

It has nothing to do with the term because you'd rather not be associated with Nazism. Hitler was a pagan, if he had any religion at all. Mostly he felt that Christianity weakened "Aryans".  Hitler destroyed unions because there was no use for them; the state would look after the workers welfare - just as it does in all leftist states. The only reason Hitler allowed owners to retain their property was because the state told them how to run it, what to make, and what profit - if any - they could make while the "owned" it. Oh and by the way have you ever heard of Lenin's New Economic Policy? They thing is leftist suck at running an economy - so they let the people who have some idea of what they're doing, run it - for a while. And how much of the Soviet budget went to the Armed Forces - the LOWEST estimate is 25% of Soviet spending. 

Quote from: mdgiles on September 16, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
It has nothing to do with the term because you'd rather not be associated with Nazism. Hitler was a pagan, if he had any religion at all. Mostly he felt that Christianity weakened "Aryans".  Hitler destroyed unions because there was no use for them; the state would look after the workers welfare - just as it does in all leftist states. The only reason Hitler allowed owners to retain their property was because the state told them how to run it, what to make, and what profit - if any - they could make while the "owned" it. Oh and by the way have you ever heard of Lenin's New Economic Policy? They thing is leftist suck at running an economy - so they let the people who have some idea of what they're doing, run it - for a while. And how much of the Soviet budget went to the Armed Forces - the LOWEST estimate is 25% of Soviet spending.

Exactly, his strawmen arguments are so weak it's ridiculous, it has me wondering if he is really a conservative playing the role of the liberal moron.
I don't even see what point he was trying to make with that youtube video, but at least he made it clear that his profound knowledge of the topic comes from watching random shitty youtube videos instead of actually reading books. Typical liberal, I wonder how many of them actually read books to begin with? Same with militant atheists, they all just seem to depend on youtube for their sources.

I just love the strawman statement "he also believed in private property" like its an actual argument, the worst is he continues with "he believed X and he believed Y" how about citing actual enactment of policies and results instead? All the "points" you state are policies the soviet union had as well.

The statement "Sounds like a few people on this forum." really exposes him for the troll that he is.

QuoteThat is why Nazism is counted as 'authoritarian right'

No kid, that is why you want it to be counted as right when the policies are all left wing socialist in implementation and ideology. You can appeal to semantics and rhetoric all you want but I prefer to call a spade for a spade, and you communists are still just insane.

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
Exactly, his strawmen arguments are so weak it's ridiculous, it has me wondering if he is really a conservative playing the role of the liberal moron.
I don't even see what point he was trying to make with that youtube video, but at least he made it clear that his profound knowledge of the topic comes from watching random shitty youtube videos instead of actually reading books. Typical liberal, I wonder how many of them actually read books to begin with? Same with militant atheists, they all just seem to depend on youtube for their sources.

I just love the strawman statement "he also believed in private property" like its an actual argument, the worst is he continues with "he believed X and he believed Y" how about citing actual enactment of policies and results instead? All the "points" you state are policies the soviet union had as well.

The statement "Sounds like a few people on this forum." really exposes him for the troll that he is.

No kid, that is why you want it to be counted as right when the policies are all left wing socialist in implementation and ideology. You can appeal to semantics and rhetoric all you want but I prefer to call a spade for a spade, and you communists are still just insane.

Nailed it!
One can always tout the benefits of low dosage poison, but when taken in amounts the left want to dole out, the end results are always the same.

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM

I don't even see what point he was trying to make with that youtube video, but at least he made it clear that his profound knowledge of the topic comes from watching random shitty youtube videos instead of actually reading books

I quote the part in which he Hitler talks about wealth inequality and says Germans should not envy each other based on that. Hardly a communist line. Wasn't that hard to comprehend I thought.

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM


I just love the strawman statement "he also believed in private property" like its an actual argument, the worst is he continues with "he believed X and he believed Y" how about citing actual enactment of policies and results instead? All the "points" you state are policies the soviet union had as well.

No idea about that one.

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM


The statement "Sounds like a few people on this forum." really exposes him for the troll that he is.

Ohh noes exposed by the Scandinavian Libertarian !

Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM

No kid, that is why you want it to be counted as right when the policies are all left wing socialist in implementation and ideology. You can appeal to semantics and rhetoric all you want but I prefer to call a spade for a spade, and you communists are still just insane.

So far you have made these points. I'm a liberal, a troll, a kid, a spade is a spade and you read lots of books even though you never cite one.


Tbh, little disappointing. Thought you were a bit smarter than that. Instead of arguing political ideologies, you just came out with a page of ad hominem bullshit and simultaneous complained that I out up a a video ( I'm sorry if primary sources aren't good enough for you) while you fail to give any evidence or sources at all.

Quote from: redlom xof on September 17, 2013, 04:48:26 AM
I quote the part in which he Hitler talks about wealth inequality and says Germans should not envy each other based on that. Hardly a communist line. Wasn't that hard to comprehend I thought.

Wow, according to you, Obozo is more communist than hitlre?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/04/obama-tax-the-rich-to-grow-the-economy/1#.UjhDmT_ieo0

Obama and fascism do have some overlap, but I would put the Obama administration as a plutocracy.

Quote from: redlom xof on September 17, 2013, 05:06:57 AM
Obama and fascism do have some overlap, but I would put the Obama administration as a plutocracy.

Of course you do, you refuse to see the smoking gun in his had.