http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/wisconsin-teachers-union-decertified-in-latest-blow-to-labor-under-walker-law/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/wisconsin-teachers-union-decertified-in-latest-blow-to-labor-under-walker-law/?intcmp=latestnews)
Now we know why the unions put up such a fight about Gov. Scott Walker and the Wisconsin legislature. It would seem the public sector unions are not as popular with the workers as the thugs would have us believe.
Below is a paragraph in the article that confirms what many of us have known.
"The news today proves what unions have long feared -- that when workers are actually given a free and fair choice, they will often choose opt out of union membership altogether," he said.
The next paragraph goes even further.
"The public at large — and an increasing number of union members — have become wise to the fact labor unions stifle innovation and burden governments and businesses with unsustainable costs and regulations."
Gosh, I hope our country is waking up.
Quote from: supsalemgr on September 14, 2013, 11:17:09 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/wisconsin-teachers-union-decertified-in-latest-blow-to-labor-under-walker-law/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/14/wisconsin-teachers-union-decertified-in-latest-blow-to-labor-under-walker-law/?intcmp=latestnews)
Now we know why the unions put up such a fight about Gov. Scott Walker and the Wisconsin legislature. It would seem the public sector unions are not as popular with the workers as the thugs would have us believe.
Below is a paragraph in the article that confirms what many of us have known.
"The news today proves what unions have long feared -- that when workers are actually given a free and fair choice, they will often choose opt out of union membership altogether," he said.
The next paragraph goes even further.
"The public at large — and an increasing number of union members — have become wise to the fact labor unions stifle innovation and burden governments and businesses with unsustainable costs and regulations."
Gosh, I hope our country is waking up.
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Awesome! Sounds like the money is getting consolidated, and some fringe organizations are going to be left to die.
The public Workers Unions, and the Dims, thought they had found the perfect scam. The Dims made membership in the unions compulsory and the unions kicked back a percentage of the compulsory dues, to the Dims. Best thing was, unlike businesses, cities and states couldn't go broke, they just raised taxes. Except they could go broke. And the voters could send their perfect scheme down the drain in one election.
Union membership has been on a downward spiral for decades, nothing new.
"The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics report on 2012 union membership shows that union membership deceased marginally from 2010 to 2011, from 11.8% in 2010 to 11.1% in 2012. There is a long-term downward trend since 1983, when union membership stood at 20.1% of all wage and salary workers (See Figure 1). "
http://www.ilo.org/washington/ilo-and-the-united-states/spot-light-on-the-us-labor-market/union-membership-us/lang--en/index.htm (http://www.ilo.org/washington/ilo-and-the-united-states/spot-light-on-the-us-labor-market/union-membership-us/lang--en/index.htm)
QuotePrivate sector unionization, already at the lowest rate since 1901, fell to just 6.6 percent, down from 6.9 percent in 2011. Private sector unionization peaked at 30 percent in 1958 and was still at 20.8 percent as late as 1980.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/25/memb-j25.html (http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/25/memb-j25.html)
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:20:05 AM
Union membership has been on a downward spiral for decades, nothing new.
"The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics report on 2012 union membership shows that union membership deceased marginally from 2010 to 2011, from 11.8% in 2010 to 11.1% in 2012. There is a long-term downward trend since 1983, when union membership stood at 20.1% of all wage and salary workers (See Figure 1). "
http://www.ilo.org/washington/ilo-and-the-united-states/spot-light-on-the-us-labor-market/union-membership-us/lang--en/index.htm (http://www.ilo.org/washington/ilo-and-the-united-states/spot-light-on-the-us-labor-market/union-membership-us/lang--en/index.htm)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/25/memb-j25.html (http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/25/memb-j25.html)
It's been in a downward spiral in
PRIVATE SECTOR unions. Stop trying to conflate those with
PUBLIC SECTOR unions where they've been growing. Why must you leftists always lie and distort.
Quote from: mdgiles on September 16, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
It's been in a downward spiral in PRIVATE SECTOR unions. Stop trying to conflate those with PUBLIC SECTOR unions where they've been growing. Why must you leftists always lie and distort.
Indeed, the difference leftist like to leave out is that public Sector Unions can hold the entire bureaucracy they represent hostage thereby hold society at large hostage, no private union has that power. It was a reason it was outlawed until JFK betrayed the country.
The concept of the union was outdated when it finally got implemented well into the industralization age, most of the problems were already solved despite leftist propaganda in the media. Today it is a cumbersome corruption driven bureacracy that reduces employment, raises cost and lowers quality. My cousin in Stockholm lost his job because his union demanded better wages and more benefits and the employer closed down the business instead because it became unprofitable. They chose unemployment rather than work, can't say I feel sorry for him when it is his own fault, not like unemployment is something to be feared anyway when you get about the same income either way.
In Norway the president of Labor Party has to be sworn in by the National Union President board... wasn't socialism supposed be against oligarchy? :confused:
Quote from: mdgiles on September 16, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
It's been in a downward spiral in PRIVATE SECTOR unions. Stop trying to conflate those with PUBLIC SECTOR unions where they've been growing. Why must you leftists always lie and distort.
It very clearly says in my quote, PRIVET sector. It also has a graph in my fist link too. If you get distorted by that, you're a simpleton.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 09:29:24 AM
Indeed, the difference leftist like to leave out is that public Sector Unions can hold the entire bureaucracy they represent hostage thereby hold society at large hostage, no private union has that power. It was a reason it was outlawed until JFK betrayed the country.
The concept of the union was outdated when it finally got implemented well into the industralization age, most of the problems were already solved despite leftist propaganda in the media. Today it is a cumbersome corruption driven bureacracy that reduces employment, raises cost and lowers quality. My cousin in Stockholm lost his job because his union demanded better wages and more benefits and the employer closed down the business instead because it became unprofitable. They chose unemployment rather than work, can't say I feel sorry for him when it is his own fault, not like unemployment is something to be feared anyway when you get about the same income either way.
In Norway the president of Labor Party has to be sworn in by the National Union President board... wasn't socialism supposed be against oligarchy? :confused:
Unions can/have done both negative and good things. You only see the negatives. There are some things which a society should not wait for the market place to correct ( If it ever does). An example would be health and safety. Another would be a wage where you can feed your family.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Unions can/have done both negative and good things. You only see the negatives. There are some things which a society should not wait for the market place to correct ( If it ever does). An example would be health and safety. Another would be a wage where you can feed your family.
So the market is not society?
Is it even part of society in your mind or is it just some evil system used by capitalist pig dogs to trick money from society and make people work for slave labor?
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 09:42:10 AM
So the market is not society?
Is it even part of society in your mind
A pure market based system is the opposite of a society. As Margaret Thatcher once said "There is no such thing as society".
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 09:42:10 AM
evil system used by capitalist pig dogs to trick money from society and make people work for slave labor?
Capitalist pigs don't work within a free market system.( It may have
some free market fringe elements, but what they strive for is hardly free market. They wont a free market for poor people and a big government working for them. There is a book called " The conservative nanny state" which explains this.
Free market much like extreme left wing ideologies, is something that has never fully been tested. But in theory, I don't support it.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Unions can/have done both negative and good things. You only see the negatives. There are some things which a society should not wait for the market place to correct ( If it ever does). An example would be health and safety. Another would be a wage where you can feed your family.
When there is nothing whatsoever good to say about extortionists and criminals, whose intimidation and thuggery forced workers to pay off their local mob boss...I mean, union boss...
of course we see only the negatives.
I do agree there are some things we should not wait for the marketplace to correct. NPR has reduced its staff by 10 percent. This is far too slow.
The best way to feed your family is to not give part of it to gangsters, just to hold a job.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:52:43 AM
A pure market based system is the opposite of a society. As Margaret Thatcher once said "There is no such thing as society".
Capitalist pigs don't work within a free market system.( It may have some free market fringe elements, but what they strive for is hardly free market. They wont a free market for poor people and a big government working for them. There is a book called " The conservative nanny state" which explains this.
Free market much like extreme left wing ideologies, is something that has never fully been tested. But in theory, I don't support it.
Market definition; "A medium that allows buyers and sellers of a specific good or service to interact in order to facilitate an exchange."
A pure market is the most integral part of society with regards to human interaction if you ask me. Civilization would never exist without it, therefore society would never exist if it wasn't for a market.
"The conservative nanny state" sounds like something Naomy Klein or whatshername would write a book about :tounge:
The market you describe is exactly the type of fascism we as conservatives are fighting against. Get with the program and do your homework kid.
FYI extreme left ideologies has been tested all over the world, just to name a few: cambodia, zimbabwe, north korea, nazi germany and soviet union.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:31:05 AM
It very clearly says in my quote, PRIVET sector. It also has a graph in my fist link too. If you get distorted by that, you're a simpleton.
Uh no, you might have meant to say that, but your fingers seem to have betrayed you.
QuotePosted by: redlom xof
Today at 09:20:05 AM
Union membership has been on a downward spiral for decades, nothing new.
I'll just assume it slipped your mind, and that you aren't a lying POS.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 10:12:53 AM
The market you describe is exactly the type of fascism we as conservatives are fighting against. Get with the program and do your homework kid.
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 10:12:53 AM
FYI extreme left ideologies has been tested all over the world, just to name a few: cambodia, zimbabwe, north korea, nazi germany and soviet union.
If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.
Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:34:11 AM
Unions can/have done both negative and good things. You only see the negatives. There are some things which a society should not wait for the market place to correct ( If it ever does). An example would be health and safety. Another would be a wage where you can feed your family.
What good have unions done exactly. Much of the "good" that has been credited to unions had far more to do with the lower rates of immigration, and the contraction of the labor market.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 09:31:05 AM
It very clearly says in my quote, PRIVET sector. It also has a graph in my fist link too. If you get distorted by that, you're a simpleton.
Is your "A" key failing? PRIVET? :blink:
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.
If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.
Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.
Oh good Lord. I am so tired of hearing that same old tired saw from you lying dogs on the left. How in the phuck was a group called THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY, right wing. It's one of the greatest examples of the lies the Left uses to advance itself, that it blames the corporatist ideology of the Fascists and Nazis on the political right. The Nazis and Facists hated the political right.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.
If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.
Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.
I am just curious if you could give us some of your examples of this welfare:
"There is very little talk about welfare to the rich."
Another quote:
"If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders."
Unlike most libs I do not carry envy and hate of the rich. Most folks in this category earned their way to their economic status.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Kid , really ? Seems to this forum's favorite line. Some conservatives claim to against this in theory, but when it comes down to it, all they do is talk about welfare to single mothers or 'social parasites'. Another great testament to the great 'conservative society'. There is very little talk about welfare to the rich. If you say anything about the rich, this forum will step in as their greatest defenders.
If you put all those ideologies under one bracket and call them all 'left wing', you're confused IMHO. Lets take German Fascism, as that is the one I know read the most about. It is a authoritarian right wing ideology. Read some of Hitler's writings and speeches, he talks about how much he hate he has for socialists and communists.
I have read mein Kampf, and I have also read Karl Maria wiligut, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and countless post war history books on the subject. And it is you who is confused, I can't believe you have read all these books and never noticed that the term nazi was a slang for the NSDAP "National
Socialist Germany Worker Party" :laugh: :lol:
But please go ahead kid, tell me all about the liberty loving, christianity adoring and private property protecting Nazis :lol:
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Soviet Union 'communism' was never true communism. It was a central command economy with a authoritarian government. Workers never had any control over production or economic and political life. Which is a tenant of communist ideology.
And heeere we go again with the broken record. Let me do you a quote from the game Farcry 3
QuoteDid I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over again expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy. The first time somebody told me that, I dunno, I thought they were bullshitting me, so, I shot him. The thing is... He was right. And then I started seeing, everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again thinking 'this time is gonna be different' no, no, no please... This time is gonna be different, I'm sorry, I don't like... The way...
To summarize; You communists are fucking crazy! :laugh:
Edit: ops didn't notice mdgiles beat me to it. Oh well :laugh:
QuoteEdit: ops didn't notice mdgiles beat me to it. Oh well
That's okay. The more people that understand that the better. And of course, it's a handy way of singling out those leftists who are only repeating what they've been told, and really don't have a clue.
Quote from: mdgiles on September 16, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
That's okay. The more people that understand that the better. And of course, it's a handy way of singling out those leftists who are only repeating what they've been told, and really don't have a clue.
We've told him this twice in the past, yet he still regurgitates leftist drivel.
Something tells me he's not interested in anything that might force him to rethink his conviction to socialism.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
I have read mein Kampf, and I have also read Karl Maria wiligut, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels and countless post war history books on the subject. And it is you who is confused, I can't believe you have read all these books and never noticed that the term nazi was a slang for the NSDAP "National Socialist Germany Worker Party" :laugh: :lol:
To summarize; You communists are fucking crazy! :laugh:
The Socialist part of NSDAP has nothing to do the term as you see it. It has nothing to do with economics, but rather the collective aspect of Germans against foreigners and inferior races/governments.
"We don't say to the rich, please give something to these poor people, instead we say German people help yourselves! Everyone must help, whether you're rich and poor. Everyone must think that there is a always someone in a much worse situation than me and this person I shall help, as a comrade in the Volk! "
4:10 minute mark to 4:35
Adolf Hitler: The Man they Call the Devil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZG9NXmuCaE#ws)
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 16, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
But please go ahead kid, tell me all about the liberty loving, christianity adoring and private property protecting Nazis :lol:
Hitler makes many references to god and was raised a Roman Catholic. He also believed in private property. He
completely destroyed German Unions and believed a large amount of public funds should go to the military. He also believed in expansion and imperialism. He hated communism. He hated gays. He hated foreigners. Sounds like a few people on this forum.
I'm not saying this is the same as liberty or traditional liberalism or libertarianism. That is why Nazism is counted as 'authoritarian right'.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 16, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
The Socialist part of NSDAP has nothing to do the term as you see it. It has nothing to do with economics, but rather the collective aspect of Germans against foreigners and inferior races/governments.
"We don't say to the rich, please give something to these poor people, instead we say German people help yourselves! Everyone must help, whether you're rich and poor. Everyone must think that there is a always someone in a much worse situation than me and this person I shall help, as a comrade in the Volk! "
4:10 minute mark to 4:35
Adolf Hitler: The Man they Call the Devil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZG9NXmuCaE#ws)
Hitler makes many references to god and was raised a Roman Catholic. He also believed in private property. He
completely destroyed German Unions and believed a large amount of public funds should go to the military. He also believed in expansion and imperialism. He hated communism. He hated gays. He hated foreigners. Sounds like a few people on this forum.
I'm not saying this is the same as liberty or traditional liberalism or libertarianism. That is why Nazism is counted as 'authoritarian right'.
It has nothing to do with the term because you'd rather not be associated with Nazism. Hitler was a pagan, if he had any religion at all. Mostly he felt that Christianity weakened "Aryans". Hitler destroyed unions because there was no use for them; the state would look after the workers welfare - just as it does in all leftist states. The only reason Hitler allowed owners to retain their property was because the state told them how to run it, what to make, and what profit - if any - they could make while the "owned" it. Oh and by the way have you ever heard of Lenin's New Economic Policy? They thing is leftist suck at running an economy - so they let the people who have some idea of what they're doing, run it - for a while. And how much of the Soviet budget went to the Armed Forces - the LOWEST estimate is 25% of Soviet spending.
Quote from: mdgiles on September 16, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
It has nothing to do with the term because you'd rather not be associated with Nazism. Hitler was a pagan, if he had any religion at all. Mostly he felt that Christianity weakened "Aryans". Hitler destroyed unions because there was no use for them; the state would look after the workers welfare - just as it does in all leftist states. The only reason Hitler allowed owners to retain their property was because the state told them how to run it, what to make, and what profit - if any - they could make while the "owned" it. Oh and by the way have you ever heard of Lenin's New Economic Policy? They thing is leftist suck at running an economy - so they let the people who have some idea of what they're doing, run it - for a while. And how much of the Soviet budget went to the Armed Forces - the LOWEST estimate is 25% of Soviet spending.
Exactly, his strawmen arguments are so weak it's ridiculous, it has me wondering if he is really a conservative playing the role of the liberal moron.
I don't even see what point he was trying to make with that youtube video, but at least he made it clear that his profound knowledge of the topic comes from watching random shitty youtube videos instead of actually reading books. Typical liberal, I wonder how many of them actually read books to begin with? Same with militant atheists, they all just seem to depend on youtube for their sources.
I just love the strawman statement
"he also believed in private property" like its an actual argument, the worst is he continues with
"he believed X and he believed Y" how about citing actual enactment of policies and results instead? All the "points" you state are policies the soviet union had as well.
The statement
"Sounds like a few people on this forum." really exposes him for the troll that he is.
QuoteThat is why Nazism is counted as 'authoritarian right'
No kid, that is why you want it to be counted as right when the policies are all left wing socialist in implementation and ideology. You can appeal to semantics and rhetoric all you want but I prefer to call a spade for a spade, and you communists are still just insane.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
Exactly, his strawmen arguments are so weak it's ridiculous, it has me wondering if he is really a conservative playing the role of the liberal moron.
I don't even see what point he was trying to make with that youtube video, but at least he made it clear that his profound knowledge of the topic comes from watching random shitty youtube videos instead of actually reading books. Typical liberal, I wonder how many of them actually read books to begin with? Same with militant atheists, they all just seem to depend on youtube for their sources.
I just love the strawman statement "he also believed in private property" like its an actual argument, the worst is he continues with "he believed X and he believed Y" how about citing actual enactment of policies and results instead? All the "points" you state are policies the soviet union had as well.
The statement "Sounds like a few people on this forum." really exposes him for the troll that he is.
No kid, that is why you want it to be counted as right when the policies are all left wing socialist in implementation and ideology. You can appeal to semantics and rhetoric all you want but I prefer to call a spade for a spade, and you communists are still just insane.
Nailed it! :biggrin:
One can always tout the benefits of low dosage poison, but when taken in amounts the left want to dole out, the end results are always the same.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
I don't even see what point he was trying to make with that youtube video, but at least he made it clear that his profound knowledge of the topic comes from watching random shitty youtube videos instead of actually reading books
I quote the part in which he Hitler talks about wealth inequality and says Germans should not envy each other based on that. Hardly a communist line. Wasn't that hard to comprehend I thought.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
I just love the strawman statement "he also believed in private property" like its an actual argument, the worst is he continues with "he believed X and he believed Y" how about citing actual enactment of policies and results instead? All the "points" you state are policies the soviet union had as well.
No idea about that one.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
The statement "Sounds like a few people on this forum." really exposes him for the troll that he is.
Ohh noes exposed by the Scandinavian Libertarian !
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
No kid, that is why you want it to be counted as right when the policies are all left wing socialist in implementation and ideology. You can appeal to semantics and rhetoric all you want but I prefer to call a spade for a spade, and you communists are still just insane.
So far you have made these points. I'm a liberal, a troll, a kid, a spade is a spade and you read lots of books even though you never cite one.
Tbh, little disappointing. Thought you were a bit smarter than that. Instead of arguing political ideologies, you just came out with a page of ad hominem bullshit and simultaneous complained that I out up a a video ( I'm sorry if primary sources aren't good enough for you) while you fail to give any evidence or sources at all.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 17, 2013, 04:48:26 AM
I quote the part in which he Hitler talks about wealth inequality and says Germans should not envy each other based on that. Hardly a communist line. Wasn't that hard to comprehend I thought.
Wow, according to you, Obozo is more communist than hitlre?
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/04/obama-tax-the-rich-to-grow-the-economy/1#.UjhDmT_ieo0 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/04/obama-tax-the-rich-to-grow-the-economy/1#.UjhDmT_ieo0)
Obama and fascism do have some overlap, but I would put the Obama administration as a plutocracy.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 17, 2013, 05:06:57 AM
Obama and fascism do have some overlap, but I would put the Obama administration as a plutocracy.
Of course you do, you refuse to see the smoking gun in his had.
Quote from: Mountainshield on September 17, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
Exactly, his strawmen arguments are so weak it's ridiculous, it has me wondering if he is really a conservative playing the role of the liberal moron.
Don't go down that rabbit hole.
NEVER underestimate the stupidity of liberals. In fact - for someone who claims that a hundred million people were murdered as part of an international conspiracy to make his theology "appear" insane and idiotic - redlom's arguments are actually a little better than average.
Quote from: redlom xof on September 17, 2013, 04:48:26 AM
So far you have made these points. I'm a liberal, a troll, a kid, a spade is a spade and you read lots of books even though you never cite one.
Tbh, little disappointing. Thought you were a bit smarter than that. Instead of arguing political ideologies, you just came out with a page of ad hominem bullshit and simultaneous complained that I out up a a video ( I'm sorry if primary sources aren't good enough for you) while you fail to give any evidence or sources at all.
This really gets old, but I will give you my two favorite books on the subject. "The occult roots of Nazism, Goodrick-Clarke 1993" and "Secret of the Runes, Wiligut" this latter one is my favorite since it is written by Himmlers bff in the SS which outlines National Socialism black on white. You can quote propaganda speeches all you want
(which is truly weak in itself btw, try writing a uni essay using those sources :lol:) and refer to post-modern political science evaluation of nazism but you can't beat the empirical data written by the nazis themselves on the topic. Well I guess you can since you leftist do not believe there is one truth, but many truths.
Quote from: kopema on September 17, 2013, 07:08:27 AM
Don't go down that rabbit hole.
NEVER underestimate the stupidity of liberals. In fact - for someone who claims that a hundred million people were murdered as part of an international conspiracy to make his theology "appear" insane and idiotic - redlom's arguments are actually a little better than average.
I don't know.. I find his one liners and strawmen combined with personal attacks really tedious in the long run.
heh, the two classic liberal childish lies.
-Hitler was a conservative capitalist Christian.
-Communism has never been done right. Next time will be great !!
Nevermind that Hitler's all-powerful state with no human rights and complete central planning was a communist's wet dream. And he reinforced this with his choice of name for the country. I guess China is now a business / property owner's paradise.
Nevermind that the theoretical communism of Marx can't even happen, ever. We will never get past the fascist, murderous dictator phase of the childish stories of "eventual" perfect fairness and love and self-regulated equality. Hippie communes simply don't work much past 10-15 people; ask the OWS scum.
Quote from: AndyJackson on September 17, 2013, 07:53:22 AM
heh, the two classic liberal childish lies.
-Hitler was a conservative capitalist Christian.
-Communism has never been done right. Next time will be great !!
Nevermind that Hitler's all-powerful state with no human rights and complete central planning was a communist's wet dream. And he reinforced this with his choice of name for the country. I guess China is now a business / property owner's paradise.
Nevermind that the theoretical communism of Marx can't even happen, ever. We will never get past the fascist, murderous dictator phase of the childish stories of "eventual" perfect fairness and love and self-regulated equality. Hippie communes simply don't work much past 10-15 people; ask the OWS scum.
Yeah you know it just hit me, no wonder the socialists believed
Chamberlain "peace in our time" document so much they were willing to sacrafice millions of innocent civilians to Hitler just for a pinky swear promise that he would be good when they actually
STILL TODAY believe in Hitler o_O
lol, they're not even shy any more about praising and loving Mao, Castro, Che, Ho, etc. Eventually they'll convince themselves to be fans of Kim and NK, when they see their socialist dream crumbling around the globe, and get desperate enough.
Their ridiculous, self deluding lies know no bottom of the ditch. It's bottomless, and shameless.