Found this article on Trudeau.

I think the last line says it all:

THE GREAT GRANCHILDREN OF TODAYS CANADIANS STILL WILL BE PAYING FOR P.T.'s "JUST AND COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY'

Substitute Obamao's name for Trudeau's and Americans for Canadians & re issue the article.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis1.html


Billy

"Trudeau was ardently anti-American, even allowing Cuba's intelligence service to operate against the US from Montreal".

I didn't believe that, but I did some poking around on Google and appears to be true. Far worse, it seems he praised Mao as well according to a FrontPage article I read.

Quote from: JLeh1985 on February 27, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
"Trudeau was ardently anti-American, even allowing Cuba's intelligence service to operate against the US from Montreal".

I didn't believe that, but I did some poking around on Google and appears to be true. Far worse, it seems he praised Mao as well according to a FrontPage article I read.

That's something he has in common with various white house advisors and czars.

Quote from: MEAN OL' BILLY on February 27, 2012, 03:41:16 PM
Found this article on Trudeau.

I think the last line says it all:

THE GREAT GRANCHILDREN OF TODAYS CANADIANS STILL WILL BE PAYING FOR P.T.'s "JUST AND COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY'

Substitute Obamao's name for Trudeau's and Americans for Canadians & re issue the article.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis1.html

Gee Billy.  You have gained a new interest in Canada.

Some more up to date info would be better.

This from the guy who thinks Canada is still suffering "metric" shock!

Quote
U.S. looks to Canada to fix its debt crisis

Canada faced a similar situation in the mid-'90s. In 1994, Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio was around 67%, but thanks to sound fiscal management, deep spending cuts and sustained economic growth, this number was reduced to 29% by 2009. A report released earlier this month by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University urges America's political leaders to look to the Canadian experience as a guide for getting out of the hole they've dug themselves

http://jesse.kline.ca/news/70-opinion/224-us-looks-to-canada-to-fix-its-debt-crisis

Look to the Canadians!  Good advice.

Now about the Demand before supply question.  Who you going to believe?

THE Canadian!

AND what you conservatives don't seem to understand, IS that we Dems, are as concerned as you about the debt,
the BIG argument is about what you cut and change.

Military is way out of proportion.

The only thing RON Paul has going for him is his "pull in the military".

Less air craft carriers and more seal team six's

800 plus bases everywhere?  WHY?

Protect corporate interests?

And then the truth. Canada has been going Conservative in recent years...

Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
Gee Billy.  You have gained a new interest in Canada.

Some more up to date info would be better.

This from the guy who thinks Canada is still suffering "metric" shock!

Look to the Canadians!  Good advice.

Now about the Demand before supply question.  Who you going to believe?

THE Canadian!

AND what you conservatives don't seem to understand, IS that we Dems, are as concerned as you about the debt,
the BIG argument is about what you cut and change.

Military is way out of proportion.

The only thing RON Paul has going for him is his "pull in the military".

Less air craft carriers and more seal team six's

800 plus bases everywhere?  WHY?

Protect corporate interests?

When you guys get your health care system worked out, then we can talk.  Otherwise, it's a place to go when you just want to get wasted.

Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2012, 08:59:49 PM
When you guys get your health care system worked out, then we can talk.  Otherwise, it's a place to go when you just want to get wasted.

Like you have any first hand knowledge of the health care in Canada.

You all bought billy's story about the metric change over that happened 30 years ago.
SO, Your fact checking abilities are already in question.

What you know about Canadian health care is only what you have heard from the insurance industry in the US that does not want things to change.

I have family, friends, all across the country.

What proof do you have?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 27, 2012, 08:58:04 PM
And then the truth. Canada has been going Conservative in recent years...

Canada goes back and forth.

BUT the NDP are now the minority and they are full on socialist, (compared to you crazies).

AND the word "conservative" only goes so far, in a country with managed healthcare and plenty of nanny programs.

Parliamentary system is much better than this presidential thing.

You can out a government with one vote of parliament.

So you have enough pissed off members from what ever party, it's over!

call an election.

over, done in 2 moths, tops.

Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Like you have any first hand knowledge of the health care in Canada.

You all bought billy's story about the metric change over that happened 30 years ago.
SO, Your fact checking abilities are already in question.

What you know about Canadian health care is only what you have heard from the insurance industry in the US that does not want things to change.

I have family, friends, all across the country.

What proof do you have?

Here we go again...

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer

Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.

Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin's insurance didn't: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.

When Aucoin appealed to an official ombudsman, the Ontario government claimed that her treatment was unproven and that she had gone to an unaccredited clinic. But the FDA in the U.S. had approved Erbitux, and her clinic was a cancer center affiliated with a prominent Catholic hospital in Buffalo. This January, the ombudsman ruled in Aucoin's favor, awarding her the cost of treatment. She represents a dramatic new trend in Canadian health-care advocacy: finding the treatment you need in another country, and then fighting Canadian bureaucrats (and often suing) to get them to pick up the tab.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

The Health Council of Canada recently published a report in which they reiterated Canada's universal, publicly funded health care system is widely viewed as an essential part of a social safety net and a reflection of Canadians' core values.  But they also found that the cost of the system is a constant concern, and many fear that public health care is unsustainable.

Negative discussion about health care in Canada tends to focus on a persistent set of problems: access, wait times, and shortages of health care providers. This has been the case in times of good economy and during economic crisis.

The 10th annual Health Care in Canada survey confirms that wait times and the shortage of doctors top the list pf concerns voiced by Canadians in 2008. Other issues of concern were timeliness and access to care and environmental health issues such as air and water pollution.

Although some Canadians say they have never waited for medical services, complaints about long waiting times have lead virtually every provincial government to publish data on wait times for specific procedures in their province.

In 2004 the federal government and all the provincial governments entered into a 10 year plan to achieve significant reductions in wait times for 5 priority areas:

Continue reading on Examiner.com Canada's health care system has its problems - National Health Care | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in-national/canada-s-health-care-system-has-its-problems#ixzz1ncHHiLnm

A spate of papers has been released in recent months issuing dire predictions for Canada's healthcare system.

As a percentage of GDP, our system is already one of the costliest systems in the world and, according the C.D.Howe, the cost will climb much higher in the next 20 years. And I have no reason to doubt it. Part of the reason is an ever-greater level of costly interventions and the other is an aging population. We can't do much about aging but we can do something about interventions.

The proposed solutions I tend to hear concerning our healthcare troubles seem to fall into two camps. The first is that good healthcare is costly so we need to be prepared to spend more in the future for quality care. The other is that the reason the cost is so high is that consumers are not price sensitive, so we need to put the breaks on demand by imposing user fees of some sort.

Both of these outcomes sound right but the true story is more complex than that. A careful review of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) health statistics coupled with a heavy dose of research papers from various countries point to other problems with Canada's healthcare system, problems we tend not to talk about much.

http://www.benefitscanada.com/benefits/health-wellness/canada%E2%80%99s-troubled-healthcare-system-16590

Just yesterday, I wrote about how unpopular the British healthcare system has become. Today comes news that the man largely responsible for Canada's conversion to a single-payer health care system has admitted the system's failure:

    "Back in the 1960s, (Claude) Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.

    The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast."

    Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."

    "We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."

As more and more nations throughout the world seek to infuse more private, market-based solutions into their government-controlled healthcare systems, for some reason lefties in this country want to make the same mistake that countries like Canada made decades ago. Let's hope voters in North Carolina and across the US wake up, or else we may be forced to confront "rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money" into a system that even one of its pioneers admits to being a failure.

http://www.civitasreview.com/healthcare/father-of-canadian-health-care-admits-its-a-failure/

Cancelled surgeries. Patients who need hospital care but who can't get it. Families forced to sell their homes to pay for an autistic child's treatment.

In person and online, thousands of Canadians who participated in a nationwide consultation over the past year say the country's health system is faltering badly and that more needs to be done to deliver care when and where it's needed.

The nation's "once proud" health system is fundamentally fractured and failing — especially for vulnerable groups such as children, the elderly, aboriginal peoples and those with mental illness — says a new report from the Canadian Medical Association.

The "Voices Into Action" document summarizes what the country's largest doctors' group heard from nearly 1,500 Canadians who attended six standing-room-only public town halls, in Halifax, Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, La Prairie, Que. (the south shore of Montreal) and Ottawa, as well as more than 4,000 online comments.

"Without a doubt concerns about our health care system run deep," says the report. "We heard that there is a 'moral imperative' to fix the system, but that our biggest adversary is apathy."

Canadians spoke about long wait times, the high cost of prescription drugs, patients languishing on hospital wards who need care in long-term facilities, doctors offering next-day surgery in a private clinic for $2,000 rather than have the patient wait a year or two to do so in hospital, and the need to spend less money on administration and more on front-line workers and services.

http://www.canada.com/health/Health+system+failing+elderly+chronically+says+report/5233757/story.html

Largest Canadian study on rural women's health finds urban solutions do not address rural problems
From the Centres of Excellence for Women's Health

The Centres of Excellence for Women's Health recently released the final report from a two-year study on the health of rural, remote and Northern women. Rural, Remote and Northern Women's Health: Policy and Research Directions is the largest qualitative study in Canada to date to address the health concerns of this important community.

The rich diversity of Canada's rural regions shone forth in the study, yet despite significant social, cultural and geographic differences, researchers found common rural health issues and priorities across the country.

Significant health gap between Canada's rural and urban women
Study authors found a general lack of access to health information and access to health care services for women's health in rural regions. Study participants noted that current systems for health information are poorly coordinated and inadequately promoted, while health services are often infrequent, irregular and limited.

Rural women spoke of the financial, emotional and social costs from the frequent need to travel away from home to obtain essential health services. Gas or flights are expensive, as are hotel rooms, parking, food, childcare and forfeited income. Traveling for health care is also related to high levels of stress associated with being away from the family, especially during a health crisis. Even basic travel costs may not be covered, depending on the federal, provincial or territorial jurisdiction responsible.

"These multiple costs and inconveniences are largely borne by women, as they are often responsible for scheduling activities, maintaining the home and monitoring the emotional climate of the family," says study author Rebecca Sutherns.

The study also highlights the lack of rural female health practitioners, complementary health practitioners, or health care individuals trained in cross-cultural issues. Many rural women spoke of not bothering to seek care until they were very sick. As a result, appointments for preventive measures are rarely made. As one study participant noted, "those that need services fall through the cracks. They have to make their life emergencies wait."

Good health for rural women means addressing poverty, not just health care
Poverty and financial insecurity arising from unemployment or low wage and seasonal work was highlighted by the study participants as impacting their health the most. Study author Marilou McPhedran, says that "women and their families cannot maintain their health in the absence of financial security."

Women's experiences of healthy living extend far beyond visits to health care providers. For example, rural women are disproportionately burdened with poverty and domestic violence in Canada, with certain groups, such as Aboriginal women and elderly women being particularly disadvantaged.

The researchers emphasize that social policies outside of the "health care silo" – including finance, labour, social services and transportation, can have as much influence on health and health status as service provision. "It's time for health policy to reflect health research by recognizing that economic and social investments are investments in health," McPhedran argues.

Invisible women: rural women ignored by Canada's policy makers

http://www.cwhn.ca/node/39507

Canadians have told Canada's doctors that they want better value for their health dollars through an expanded public system that treats illnesses faster and covers a wider range of services.

The majority of participants in a year-long public consultation on the health system conducted by the Canadian Medical Association said the money spent on health could be allocated more efficiently and that patients are still waiting too long for the care they need.
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"They didn't say they wanted to see new money invested; they wanted to see better utilization of the existing dollars," Jeff Turnbull, president of the CMA, said Wednesday in releasing a report summarizing public input received online and through a series of town-hall meetings in six Canadian cities.

Dr. Turnbull said he was surprised by the degree of consensus expressed by Canadians regarding the state of public health care. "Canadians have a profound respect for our health-care system but they were very worried about it," he said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/new-health/health-news/fractured-health-care-system-failing-patients-doctors-say/article2125077/