Found this article on Trudeau.
I think the last line says it all:
THE GREAT GRANCHILDREN OF TODAYS CANADIANS STILL WILL BE PAYING FOR P.T.'s "JUST AND COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY'
Substitute Obamao's name for Trudeau's and Americans for Canadians & re issue the article.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis1.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis1.html)
Billy
"Trudeau was ardently anti-American, even allowing Cuba's intelligence service to operate against the US from Montreal".
I didn't believe that, but I did some poking around on Google and appears to be true. Far worse, it seems he praised Mao as well according to a FrontPage article I read.
Quote from: JLeh1985 on February 27, 2012, 04:00:13 PM
"Trudeau was ardently anti-American, even allowing Cuba's intelligence service to operate against the US from Montreal".
I didn't believe that, but I did some poking around on Google and appears to be true. Far worse, it seems he praised Mao as well according to a FrontPage article I read.
That's something he has in common with various white house advisors and czars.
Quote from: MEAN OL' BILLY on February 27, 2012, 03:41:16 PM
Found this article on Trudeau.
I think the last line says it all:
THE GREAT GRANCHILDREN OF TODAYS CANADIANS STILL WILL BE PAYING FOR P.T.'s "JUST AND COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY'
Substitute Obamao's name for Trudeau's and Americans for Canadians & re issue the article.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis1.html (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis1.html)
Gee Billy. You have gained a new interest in Canada.
Some more up to date info would be better.
This from the guy who thinks Canada is still suffering "metric" shock!
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U.S. looks to Canada to fix its debt crisis
Canada faced a similar situation in the mid-'90s. In 1994, Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio was around 67%, but thanks to sound fiscal management, deep spending cuts and sustained economic growth, this number was reduced to 29% by 2009. A report released earlier this month by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University urges America's political leaders to look to the Canadian experience as a guide for getting out of the hole they've dug themselves
http://jesse.kline.ca/news/70-opinion/224-us-looks-to-canada-to-fix-its-debt-crisis (http://jesse.kline.ca/news/70-opinion/224-us-looks-to-canada-to-fix-its-debt-crisis)
Look to the Canadians! Good advice.
Now about the Demand before supply question. Who you going to believe?
THE Canadian!
AND what you conservatives don't seem to understand, IS that we Dems, are as concerned as you about the debt,
the BIG argument is about what you cut and change.
Military is way out of proportion.
The only thing RON Paul has going for him is his "pull in the military".
Less air craft carriers and more seal team six's
800 plus bases everywhere? WHY?
Protect corporate interests?
And then the truth. Canada has been going Conservative in recent years...
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
Gee Billy. You have gained a new interest in Canada.
Some more up to date info would be better.
This from the guy who thinks Canada is still suffering "metric" shock!
Look to the Canadians! Good advice.
Now about the Demand before supply question. Who you going to believe?
THE Canadian!
AND what you conservatives don't seem to understand, IS that we Dems, are as concerned as you about the debt,
the BIG argument is about what you cut and change.
Military is way out of proportion.
The only thing RON Paul has going for him is his "pull in the military".
Less air craft carriers and more seal team six's
800 plus bases everywhere? WHY?
Protect corporate interests?
When you guys get your health care system worked out, then we can talk. Otherwise, it's a place to go when you just want to get wasted.
Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2012, 08:59:49 PM
When you guys get your health care system worked out, then we can talk. Otherwise, it's a place to go when you just want to get wasted.
Like you have any first hand knowledge of the health care in Canada.
You all bought billy's story about the metric change over that happened 30 years ago.
SO, Your fact checking abilities are already in question.
What you know about Canadian health care is only what you have heard from the insurance industry in the US that does not want things to change.
I have family, friends, all across the country.
What proof do you have?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 27, 2012, 08:58:04 PM
And then the truth. Canada has been going Conservative in recent years...
Canada goes back and forth.
BUT the NDP are now the minority and they are full on socialist, (compared to you crazies).
AND the word "conservative" only goes so far, in a country with managed healthcare and plenty of nanny programs.
Parliamentary system is much better than this presidential thing.
You can out a government with one vote of parliament.
So you have enough pissed off members from what ever party, it's over!
call an election.
over, done in 2 moths, tops.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Like you have any first hand knowledge of the health care in Canada.
You all bought billy's story about the metric change over that happened 30 years ago.
SO, Your fact checking abilities are already in question.
What you know about Canadian health care is only what you have heard from the insurance industry in the US that does not want things to change.
I have family, friends, all across the country.
What proof do you have?
Here we go again...
The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
David Gratzer
Socialized medicine has meant rationed care and lack of innovation. Small wonder Canadians are looking to the market.
Mountain-bike enthusiast Suzanne Aucoin had to fight more than her Stage IV colon cancer. Her doctor suggested Erbitux—a proven cancer drug that targets cancer cells exclusively, unlike conventional chemotherapies that more crudely kill all fast-growing cells in the body—and Aucoin went to a clinic to begin treatment. But if Erbitux offered hope, Aucoin's insurance didn't: she received one inscrutable form letter after another, rejecting her claim for reimbursement. Yet another example of the callous hand of managed care, depriving someone of needed medical help, right? Guess again. Erbitux is standard treatment, covered by insurance companies—in the United States. Aucoin lives in Ontario, Canada.
When Aucoin appealed to an official ombudsman, the Ontario government claimed that her treatment was unproven and that she had gone to an unaccredited clinic. But the FDA in the U.S. had approved Erbitux, and her clinic was a cancer center affiliated with a prominent Catholic hospital in Buffalo. This January, the ombudsman ruled in Aucoin's favor, awarding her the cost of treatment. She represents a dramatic new trend in Canadian health-care advocacy: finding the treatment you need in another country, and then fighting Canadian bureaucrats (and often suing) to get them to pick up the tab.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html (http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html)
The Health Council of Canada recently published a report in which they reiterated Canada's universal, publicly funded health care system is widely viewed as an essential part of a social safety net and a reflection of Canadians' core values. But they also found that the cost of the system is a constant concern, and many fear that public health care is unsustainable.
Negative discussion about health care in Canada tends to focus on a persistent set of problems: access, wait times, and shortages of health care providers. This has been the case in times of good economy and during economic crisis.
The 10th annual Health Care in Canada survey confirms that wait times and the shortage of doctors top the list pf concerns voiced by Canadians in 2008. Other issues of concern were timeliness and access to care and environmental health issues such as air and water pollution.
Although some Canadians say they have never waited for medical services, complaints about long waiting times have lead virtually every provincial government to publish data on wait times for specific procedures in their province.
In 2004 the federal government and all the provincial governments entered into a 10 year plan to achieve significant reductions in wait times for 5 priority areas:
Continue reading on Examiner.com Canada's health care system has its problems - National Health Care | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in-national/canada-s-health-care-system-has-its-problems#ixzz1ncHHiLnm (http://www.examiner.com/health-care-in-national/canada-s-health-care-system-has-its-problems#ixzz1ncHHiLnm)
A spate of papers has been released in recent months issuing dire predictions for Canada's healthcare system.
As a percentage of GDP, our system is already one of the costliest systems in the world and, according the C.D.Howe, the cost will climb much higher in the next 20 years. And I have no reason to doubt it. Part of the reason is an ever-greater level of costly interventions and the other is an aging population. We can't do much about aging but we can do something about interventions.
The proposed solutions I tend to hear concerning our healthcare troubles seem to fall into two camps. The first is that good healthcare is costly so we need to be prepared to spend more in the future for quality care. The other is that the reason the cost is so high is that consumers are not price sensitive, so we need to put the breaks on demand by imposing user fees of some sort.
Both of these outcomes sound right but the true story is more complex than that. A careful review of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) health statistics coupled with a heavy dose of research papers from various countries point to other problems with Canada's healthcare system, problems we tend not to talk about much.
http://www.benefitscanada.com/benefits/health-wellness/canada%E2%80%99s-troubled-healthcare-system-16590 (http://www.benefitscanada.com/benefits/health-wellness/canada%E2%80%99s-troubled-healthcare-system-16590)
Just yesterday, I wrote about how unpopular the British healthcare system has become. Today comes news that the man largely responsible for Canada's conversion to a single-payer health care system has admitted the system's failure:
"Back in the 1960s, (Claude) Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.
The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast."
Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."
"We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."
As more and more nations throughout the world seek to infuse more private, market-based solutions into their government-controlled healthcare systems, for some reason lefties in this country want to make the same mistake that countries like Canada made decades ago. Let's hope voters in North Carolina and across the US wake up, or else we may be forced to confront "rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money" into a system that even one of its pioneers admits to being a failure.
http://www.civitasreview.com/healthcare/father-of-canadian-health-care-admits-its-a-failure/ (http://www.civitasreview.com/healthcare/father-of-canadian-health-care-admits-its-a-failure/)
Cancelled surgeries. Patients who need hospital care but who can't get it. Families forced to sell their homes to pay for an autistic child's treatment.
In person and online, thousands of Canadians who participated in a nationwide consultation over the past year say the country's health system is faltering badly and that more needs to be done to deliver care when and where it's needed.
The nation's "once proud" health system is fundamentally fractured and failing — especially for vulnerable groups such as children, the elderly, aboriginal peoples and those with mental illness — says a new report from the Canadian Medical Association.
The "Voices Into Action" document summarizes what the country's largest doctors' group heard from nearly 1,500 Canadians who attended six standing-room-only public town halls, in Halifax, Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, La Prairie, Que. (the south shore of Montreal) and Ottawa, as well as more than 4,000 online comments.
"Without a doubt concerns about our health care system run deep," says the report. "We heard that there is a 'moral imperative' to fix the system, but that our biggest adversary is apathy."
Canadians spoke about long wait times, the high cost of prescription drugs, patients languishing on hospital wards who need care in long-term facilities, doctors offering next-day surgery in a private clinic for $2,000 rather than have the patient wait a year or two to do so in hospital, and the need to spend less money on administration and more on front-line workers and services.
http://www.canada.com/health/Health+system+failing+elderly+chronically+says+report/5233757/story.html (http://www.canada.com/health/Health+system+failing+elderly+chronically+says+report/5233757/story.html)
Largest Canadian study on rural women's health finds urban solutions do not address rural problems
From the Centres of Excellence for Women's Health
The Centres of Excellence for Women's Health recently released the final report from a two-year study on the health of rural, remote and Northern women. Rural, Remote and Northern Women's Health: Policy and Research Directions is the largest qualitative study in Canada to date to address the health concerns of this important community.
The rich diversity of Canada's rural regions shone forth in the study, yet despite significant social, cultural and geographic differences, researchers found common rural health issues and priorities across the country.
Significant health gap between Canada's rural and urban women
Study authors found a general lack of access to health information and access to health care services for women's health in rural regions. Study participants noted that current systems for health information are poorly coordinated and inadequately promoted, while health services are often infrequent, irregular and limited.
Rural women spoke of the financial, emotional and social costs from the frequent need to travel away from home to obtain essential health services. Gas or flights are expensive, as are hotel rooms, parking, food, childcare and forfeited income. Traveling for health care is also related to high levels of stress associated with being away from the family, especially during a health crisis. Even basic travel costs may not be covered, depending on the federal, provincial or territorial jurisdiction responsible.
"These multiple costs and inconveniences are largely borne by women, as they are often responsible for scheduling activities, maintaining the home and monitoring the emotional climate of the family," says study author Rebecca Sutherns.
The study also highlights the lack of rural female health practitioners, complementary health practitioners, or health care individuals trained in cross-cultural issues. Many rural women spoke of not bothering to seek care until they were very sick. As a result, appointments for preventive measures are rarely made. As one study participant noted, "those that need services fall through the cracks. They have to make their life emergencies wait."
Good health for rural women means addressing poverty, not just health care
Poverty and financial insecurity arising from unemployment or low wage and seasonal work was highlighted by the study participants as impacting their health the most. Study author Marilou McPhedran, says that "women and their families cannot maintain their health in the absence of financial security."
Women's experiences of healthy living extend far beyond visits to health care providers. For example, rural women are disproportionately burdened with poverty and domestic violence in Canada, with certain groups, such as Aboriginal women and elderly women being particularly disadvantaged.
The researchers emphasize that social policies outside of the "health care silo" – including finance, labour, social services and transportation, can have as much influence on health and health status as service provision. "It's time for health policy to reflect health research by recognizing that economic and social investments are investments in health," McPhedran argues.
Invisible women: rural women ignored by Canada's policy makers
http://www.cwhn.ca/node/39507 (http://www.cwhn.ca/node/39507)
Canadians have told Canada's doctors that they want better value for their health dollars through an expanded public system that treats illnesses faster and covers a wider range of services.
The majority of participants in a year-long public consultation on the health system conducted by the Canadian Medical Association said the money spent on health could be allocated more efficiently and that patients are still waiting too long for the care they need.
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"They didn't say they wanted to see new money invested; they wanted to see better utilization of the existing dollars," Jeff Turnbull, president of the CMA, said Wednesday in releasing a report summarizing public input received online and through a series of town-hall meetings in six Canadian cities.
Dr. Turnbull said he was surprised by the degree of consensus expressed by Canadians regarding the state of public health care. "Canadians have a profound respect for our health-care system but they were very worried about it," he said.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/new-health/health-news/fractured-health-care-system-failing-patients-doctors-say/article2125077/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/new-health/health-news/fractured-health-care-system-failing-patients-doctors-say/article2125077/)
TORONTO, ONTARIO, Oct 07 (MARKET WIRE) --
Canadian health policy is increasingly failing patients, exploiting
medical providers, and is ultimately financially unsustainable in its
present form, concludes a new book published by the Fraser Institute, one
of Canada's leading economic think tanks.
And things are likely to get worse unless Canada adopts policy
alternatives that dramatically change the economic incentives in the
health system, says Dr. Brett Skinner, Fraser Institute director of
bio-pharma and health policy and author of Canadian Health Policy
Failures: What's wrong? Who gets hurt? Why nothing changes.
"The Canadian health care system is a textbook case of government failure
in medical insurance and medical services," Skinner said.
"Our elected leaders have no political incentive to make the necessary
changes. Special interest groups oppose reform because they benefit
economically from the status quo, and our policy-makers lack objective
information about health care options in use elsewhere, especially
outside North America."
The peer-reviewed book identifies six key areas where Canadian health
policy is failing: unsustainable costs, shortages of health
professionals, shortages of medical technology, long waits for treatment,
inefficient drug spending, and a lack of access to new medicines.
The book also provides a small sample of published media stories and
reports illustrating the ways in which real people are often harmed by
Canadian health policy.
"Lengthy wait times for medically necessary treatment have become a
standard part of the Canadian health care system as governments ration
care in an attempt to control costs. The experience of other countries
shows this doesn't have to be the case," Skinner said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/07/idUS85089+07-Oct-2009+MW20091007 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/07/idUS85089+07-Oct-2009+MW20091007)
VANCOUVER (CP) – The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says the country's public health-care system is headed for crisis, but a greater role for private health care could be the right prescription.
Dr. Brian Day said in his inaugural speech to Canada's medical establishment Wednesday that contracting out health services isn't new and has helped slash wait lists.
"Let's be clear: Canadians should have the right to private medical insurance when timely access is not available in the public system," he said to applause from about 270 delegates at the annual convention.
Day, a Vancouver orthopedic surgeon, said the Supreme Court of Canada has already made a decision favouring such a move.
The Chaouilli case, named after the Quebec doctor who initiated it, struck down Quebec's ban on private insurance in 1995, saying it contradicted the provincial charter of rights.
Day said injured workers in some provinces are treated in private facilities, saving workers' compensation boards millions of dollars in wages and keeping people off long wait lists.
Day, who opened Canada's first private surgery clinic in 1995, has often been criticized for his pro-privatization views that some say could pave the way for a for-profit system much like in the United States.
"No one I know wants to adopt a so-called American-style health system," he told delegates at the association that represents 65,000 doctors across Canada.
He said the private-versus-public debate is largely irrelevant and counterproductive but that new ideas and concepts are bound to face opposition and skepticism.
The status quo must change, Day said, because the declining health of the country's aging population will have a profound social and economic impact on Canada's future.
"Canadians face difficult choices, but we must act. We and our patients remain frustrated by waiting periods that exceed all ethical standards."
But while he advocated more choice in the private sector, Day said the ability to pay should never be a factor for any patient needing health care in Canada.
He called for the modernization of the Canada Health Act, saying it's based on principles developed over 40 years ago and no longer meets the needs of today's population.
"My support for universal health care is unequivocal, but I believe the act must be revised."
Day also said provinces must change the way hospitals are funded because they suck the largest amount of money out of the health-care budget.
The current system of block, or global, funding doesn't reward efficiencies or penalize failure to deliver service to patients, Day said.
"Hospitals must have incentives to reopen operating rooms, increase the number of beds available, hire more staff and treat more patients."
Day is an advocate of the British system of funding hospitals, which compete with each other for public money based on the number of procedures they perform as an incentive to cut that country's wait lists.
He said the market-oriented scheme has some problems but that Canada could adapt what's working in Britain and other countries that have universal health care as part of their health-care system.
"There are those that dismiss these concepts of success and excellence as elitist or undesirable. They support the status quo and dismiss the plight and suffering of patients."
Guy Caron, spokesman for the Council of Canadians, said that while Canada has a problem with wait lists, it's too simplistic to say models from other countries can be applied here.
Caron said Britain and France, which each have a mixed public-private health-care system, have hired more doctors to cut wait lists.
"In the UK and in New Zealand they tried to bring market components to health care and it failed so they are actually reforming the system right now to bring more public (services) into the system."
Day said Canada's shortage of doctors and other health-care professionals is at a crisis point and that medical graduates leave the country every year because they don't have the operating-room time and other resources they need to stay here.
Day also called for the use of technology, such as electronic medical records, in the health-care field to deliver safe, efficient care.
"We are in the information age and medicine needs to catch up," he said. "Sadly, our access to new and valuable technologies is at a point where we rank near the bottom of developed countries. This must change."
Before Day's speech, delegates voted overwhelmingly in favour of several motions, with 99 per cent of them calling on provincial and territorial governments to implement strategies that would reduce emergency-room wait times and overcrowding.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1042227/cma_head_says_canadas_healthcare_system_in_crisis_needs_change/ (http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1042227/cma_head_says_canadas_healthcare_system_in_crisis_needs_change/)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Like you have any first hand knowledge of the health care in Canada.
One of my best friends in Canadian, and I have heard all the insane stories that you people have accepted as normal. You have no standard of living.
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You all bought billy's story about the metric change over that happened 30 years ago.
SO, Your fact checking abilities are already in question.
Billy is a little more traveled than you. I have learned from Billy on the forums. You... not so much.
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What you know about Canadian health care is only what you have heard from the insurance industry in the US that does not want things to change.
I have family, friends, all across the country.
What proof do you have?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19664 (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/19664)
If you ever see PM Williams, ask him how he is feeling, and if we can do anything else for him.
A Calgary widow says Alberta's mental health system failed her husband, allowing him to kill himself in a hospital room.
Shayne Anonson, 44, had struggled with depression and alcoholism, so when he finally admitted in February that he needed professional help, his wife, Terri-Lee Anonson, eagerly drove him to the Rockyview General Hospital in February.
The woman recalled that as she drove up to the hospital entrance, which overlooked a lower
level, her husband said, "Stop, that's the perfect place to jump. That will do, it's better than nothing."
She electronically locked the doors and alarmed the truck, then ran into the emergency department where she found security guards to come out and escort her husband into the hospital, she told CBC News on Monday.
Anonson said she thought her obviously suicidal husband would get the help he needed, but he was put into a medical unit, in a room that had at least three doors between it and the nurses' station.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2010/04/12/calgary-mental-health-suicide-anonson-hospital-psych.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2010/04/12/calgary-mental-health-suicide-anonson-hospital-psych.html)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Like you have any first hand knowledge of the health care in Canada.
You all bought billy's story about the metric change over that happened 30 years ago.
SO, Your fact checking abilities are already in question.
What you know about Canadian health care is only what you have heard from the insurance industry in the US that does not want things to change.
I have family, friends, all across the country.
What proof do you have?
I too have friends in Canada as well as travel to Calgary quite often to our office their, their system is truly screwed up and the number of people who have to buy private healthcare plans to supplement the national system is amazing.
You are too much of a socialist to realize money while printed by the government earns no value until backed by private enterprise.
You should learn to provide for yourself instead of expecting everyone else to give you that which you have not earned.
While I agree with some of your position on the military, I am sure it is for different reasons.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 27, 2012, 09:32:21 PM
Here we go again...
The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html (http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html)
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Ouch!
Quote from: walkstall on February 28, 2012, 04:54:20 AM
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:lol:
Funniest gif ever!
And if I may add my own humble contribution, it seems this thread has earned our esteemed liberal friend yet another Glenn Ford award.
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Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 09:19:13 PM
Canada goes back and forth.
BUT the NDP are now the minority and they are full on socialist, (compared to you crazies).
AND the word "conservative" only goes so far, in a country with managed healthcare and plenty of nanny programs.
Parliamentary system is much better than this presidential thing.
You can out a government with one vote of parliament.
So you have enough pissed off members from what ever party, it's over!
call an election.
over, done in 2 moths, tops.
Folks, I just wanted to point out that one of our resident libs fully admits (let the cat out of the bag) that the socialist system has a nanny state agenda and that is its prime directive, is to rule over every facet of our lives.
The sad thing is, he's fine with letting someone else dictate over his life.
Proof positive that libs are too stupid to function without being told what to do next.
When so-called teachers and so-called school boards choose openly-biased, factually-negligent textbooks, you have the start of our toboggan-run to the bottom.
Kids are not told about the now-unbelievable hardships of our first warriors --- the ones who defeated a mad tyrant against insurmountable odds. Washington scarcely gets mentioned, whereas (if you believe the bias) history obviously began the day African blacks sold other African blacks to the white slavers who get all the blame.
American interests are ALWAYS evil, and corporations are ALWAYS bad. Our military is ALWAYS a bunch of blood-lusting peckerwoods eager to mow down anyone in sight --- just ask the leftists. No cause if worth fighting for, so long as we can bow and scrape to our foreign enemies. Just ask Hollywood. Just ask our NEA.
Kids are brought up to believe that because leftists teach them nothing else. Hollywood, their well-funded emissary, despises the very nation allowing them the freedom to say these vile and anti-American things.
Our next battle is in the classroom. If we act like we're up in Canada, where a father can be strip-searched and his home ransacked without a court order, all for his 4-year-old daughter DRAWING a crayon picture of a gun ---- well, if we act like that, we are in for a very long campaign.
I really can't help that you are all morons.
so, none of you drones have any stories of the insurance company, here in the US, that has cut them off from health care?
They killed my neighbor, just last year.
Insurance companies deny coverage due to a loopholes in the policy?
people who are sentenced to death because they have reached the limit of their payout?
The US healthcare system is FAR from perfect!
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Barzelai says physicians in Canada earn a good living and aren't faced with the same administrative hassles that American doctors gripe about. "Medical costs here are half of what medical costs in the States are," he says. "At the same time, our infant mortality is lower, our life expectancy is longer, our rates of obesity are a lot less. So there's got to be some positive aspects of living in Canada and with the Canadian medical system."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111721651 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111721651)
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/how-canadians-feel-about-their-health-care-wait-times-and-spending/ (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/how-canadians-feel-about-their-health-care-wait-times-and-spending/)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/07/21/72229/poll-canadians-like-their-health.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/07/21/72229/poll-canadians-like-their-health.html)
Canadians live longer, have a lower infant death rate than the US.
The US is currently 34th in the world in infant mortality!
ie. 33 countries have better health care than the US!
Something to be proud of for "the greatest country on earth"
The Canadian system is not perfect but the US system is
RETARDED.
Not to mention that the US spends double per capita, than any other industrialized country and we DON'T insure 40 million of us.
You fools defend the most fucked up and expensive system of health care, that does NOT delivers the 33rd BEST healthcare in the world.
WOW, makes you proud to live in the US, where I have the right to die in the streets!
There are Dozens of countries with longer life expectancy and healthier people and socialized medicine.
explain that?
Can't answer that question about that kid's drawing, can you, gutless wonder? What's this been, my sixth or seven time watching you dance away from the single most egregious flaw your nation now endures, entirely by its own making and without the usual Canadian mantra that the U.S. somehow tricked you into it.
Quote from: quiller on February 29, 2012, 02:06:47 PM
Can't answer that question about that kid's drawing, can you, gutless wonder? What's this been, my sixth or seven time watching you dance away from the single most egregious flaw your nation now endures, entirely by its own making and without the usual Canadian mantra that the U.S. somehow tricked you into it.
what the F are you trying to say?
The US tricked Canada into WHAT?
have your care giver type it for you.
your meds are messing up you ability to communicate.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 29, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
I really can't help that you are all morons.
First you should help yourself.
Quoteso, none of you drones have any stories of the insurance company, here in the US, that has cut them off from health care?
There are plenty but none of us are denying insurance companies have and do drop people to save money.
QuoteThey killed my neighbor, just last year.
How convenient :rolleyes:
QuoteInsurance companies deny coverage due to a loopholes in the policy?
They are called preexisting conditions and that is legal and moral.
Quotepeople who are sentenced to death because they have reached the limit of their payout?
Specifics please.
QuoteThe US healthcare system is FAR from perfect!
Thank you Captain Obvious. No one here has said otherwise.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/how-canadians-feel-about-their-health-care-wait-times-and-spending/ (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/how-canadians-feel-about-their-health-care-wait-times-and-spending/)
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/07/21/72229/poll-canadians-like-their-health.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/07/21/72229/poll-canadians-like-their-health.html)
QuoteCanadians live longer,
By 2.4 years :rolleyes:
Quotehave a lower infant death rate than the US.
it's called infant mortality rate and Canada has 1.22 lower rate than the US. That is negligible.
QuoteThe US is currently 34th in the world in infant mortality!
No. That would be Monaco. The US is 6.26 per 1000 babies.
Quoteie. 33 countries have better health care than the US!
Sorry. You cannot base the quality of healthcare based on two issues.
QuoteSomething to be proud of for "the greatest country on earth"
We we welcome the tens of thousands of Canadians that come to the US for medical treatment
QuoteThe Canadian system is not perfect but the US system is
QuoteRETARDED.
LOL! Is that a technical term? retarded?
QuoteNot to mention that the US spends double per capita, than any other industrialized country and we DON'T insure 40 million of us.
You forgot to factor in the percentage of US citizens that opt to not carry insurance.
QuoteYou fools defend the most fucked up and expensive system of health care, that does NOT delivers the 33rd BEST healthcare in the world.
Yet YOU emmigrated here. That makes YOU a moron
QuoteWOW, makes you proud to live in the US, where I have the right to die in the streets!
people do not die in the streets because no one is turned away from treatment. That is why illegal immigrants always go to the ER.
QuoteThere are Dozens of countries with longer life expectancy and healthier people and socialized medicine.
explain that?
Explain it? Sure that is easy. these countries have a third of the population we have. Aside from that they all have progressive tax systems where everybody pays something. In the US you liberal idiots refuse to let 50 percent of the country pay income tax so my liberal friend take the amount of people that would have to be covered and the percentage of people that pay into the system and you can easily see why it will never work.
I noticed that you trash the US constantly yet you live here.
Hypocrite.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 29, 2012, 02:14:51 PM
what the F are you trying to say?
The US tricked Canada into WHAT?
have your care giver type it for you.
your meds are messing up you ability to communicate.
I am directly saying you refuse to discuss that unlawful strip-search and illegal home-search, all because a 4-year-old girl drew a PICTURE of a gun. You repeatedly have avoided answering my request to discuss it, and it's high time you explained why you cannot do so.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
Gee Billy. You have gained a new interest in Canada.
Some more up to date info would be better.
This from the guy who thinks Canada is still suffering "metric" shock!
Look to the Canadians! Good advice.
Now about the Demand before supply question. Who you going to believe?
THE Canadian!
800 plus bases everywhere? WHY?
Protect corporate interests?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 27, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
Gee Billy. You have gained a new interest in Canada.
Some more up to date info would be better.
This from the guy who thinks Canada is still suffering "metric" shock!
Look to the Canadians! Good advice.
Now about the Demand before supply question. Who you going to believe?
THE Canadian!
AND what you conservatives don't seem to understand, IS that we Dems, are as concerned as you about the debt,
the BIG argument is about what you cut and change.
Military is way out of proportion.
The only thing RON Paul has going for him is his "pull in the military".
Less air craft carriers and more seal team six's
800 plus bases everywhere? WHY?
Protect corporate interests?
You missed the entire point of my post.
Not a word about Canada being saddled with enormous SUSTAINED debt for their kinder gentler society which everyone knows is so much more superior to our brutish attempt at civilization.
Yes the article is dated...2000,
I specifically selected it because of the paralells to Obamao.... a rich LIBERAL professor who never held a real job ....Canadian Debt a modest 11.3 Billion Fed deficit zero the day he took office.....1984 it was 148 billion for debt the deficit to 25 billion annually.
You didn't bother to address that, instead what we heard was some blater about the metric system which I never talked about until now. The metric system was a example of stupidity within the federal Govt who spent millions trying to convince Americans how much better it would be if went Metric...we didnt but it...thank God, it would have cost millions for Fed and Local Govts to convert the road signs alone....not to mention millions lost from the general confusion.
Then you address some nonsense about seal teams, aircraft carriers and 800 military bases....what qualifies you as a an armchair expert in military matters?....you never saw service either with your native Canada (Who have troops all over the world as well)or your adopted country the US.
To Sum up...I have no problem with Canadians, in fact I like most of them I encounter, lovely country, I invest in their mining and Oil industries. But I abhore their socialism and particlarly their socialized medicine. I consider Trudeau a socialist failure who plunged the country into debt....pity more Americans didn't pay attention to the lesson of failed socialism when the article was written in 2000...maybe we'd have avoided electing BHO.
Billy
Boo Man, I love that picture of the old man and the quote. Tell me more about it. Is it from a movie or something?