Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 12:12:27 PM
Nah. That's not Shooter.

I think he's merely pointing out, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I certainly don't think it was intentional, but Bush laid a lot of the groundwork to make a narcissistic freak like Obama, be able to take the reins of power..................and abuse the hell out of it.

You may be right about this poster, but there's no comparison between Bush and Obama.

Despite their strange proclivities for world-wide power brokering and being duped by the liberals a bit too often, the Bushes are a great patriotic American family who have all served the country in every way possible.

You can moan and groan about security measures in the time of war, that's fine, liberals live on it like pablum.
It has nothing to do with Bush.  It's been a reality of most of the country's history for the last 235 years.

But Obama's a complete and total anomoly, and disgrace, who has never done a single thing for the betterment of America.  While he publicly and verbally assails the constitution, capitalism, private property, and religion.  Unprecedented.  Anybody who has to interject "BUSH" is quite suspect.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:25:56 PM
You may be right about this poster, but there's no comparison between Bush and Obama.

Despite their strange proclivities for world-wide power brokering and being duped by the liberals a bit too often, the Bushes are a great patriotic American family who have all served the country in every way possible.

You can moan and groan about security measures in the time of war, that's fine, liberals live on it like pablum.
It has nothing to do with Bush.  It's been a reality of most of the country's history for the last 235 years.

But Obama's a complete and total anomoly, and disgrace, who has never done a single thing for the betterment of America.  While he publicly and verbally assails the constitution, capitalism, private property, and religion.  Unprecedented.  Anybody who has to interject "BUSH" is quite suspect.

Shooter does this more out of glee.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
You've been here a lot longer than me, and appear to speak halfways conservatively, but this post of yours reeks of the classic fake-internet-conservative.  The kind that has created / cultivated themselves on a site, just to claim "I'm a lifelong conservative Reagan republican who is so disgusted by the  GOP and tea party that I must now support Obama completely".

There's a lot of them around.  A staple in the arguments. Since I don't know you, I can't say anything for sure.

But "pre-emptive wars", "making the world safe for democracy", reference to "debt" and convenient dismissal of the unimagined scope of Obama's debt, and gratuitous Hitler / Nazi reference for Bush.......the stuff of diehard Obama fanboys & fangirls.

You protesteth Bush a little too much.

In the immortal words of our own infamous Queen of Mean, Miss Jasmine, kindly 'BITE ME'. Boy, I was probably voting conservative when you were still crapping yellow if you had even gotten beyond being a gleam in your Pappy's eye. I am not a Reagan Conservative, but a protege of Old Right Conservative Libertarian beliefs that was  the force that drove conservative PUB politics, before the Neo-Cons eventually kicked them under the bus.

You on the other hand seem to read what you want to read, as my original statement was prefixed with "I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.' Please note that I said Obama is USING EXCESSIVELY what Bush and his sniveling PUBS , put into place.

Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size, should have known and should have seen, as inexcusable as Bush was with his shit, someone coming down the pike would be worse, and use it to fokk over America to a fair thee well. That is exactly what Obamasan has done.

I will simply say this; when you come after my conservative constitutional credentials, damned well be ready to get both barrels back.

If you want to play at being an irate conservative, do it on your time and not mine.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:25:56 PM
You may be right about this poster, but there's no comparison between Bush and Obama.

Despite their strange proclivities for world-wide power brokering and being duped by the liberals a bit too often, the Bushes are a great patriotic American family who have all served the country in every way possible.

You can moan and groan about security measures in the time of war, that's fine, liberals live on it like pablum.
It has nothing to do with Bush.  It's been a reality of most of the country's history for the last 235 years.

But Obama's a complete and total anomoly, and disgrace, who has never done a single thing for the betterment of America.  While he publicly and verbally assails the constitution, capitalism, private property, and religion.  Unprecedented.  Anybody who has to interject "BUSH" is quite suspect.

There is no comparison at all. We just reelected a president that doesn't like anything about this country. That is not Bush.

We have gradually slipped away from strictly adhering to the US constitution. I hope it doesn't become our undoing.

When forming the DHS and passing the Patriot Act, Bush had no intention of stripping US citizens of their constitutional guarantees.
Obama does.

Obama abuses everything he touches. The Patriot Act, (in particular), has allowed Obama to thwart the constitution more than anything. Bush helped make that possible. Nobody saw Obama coming.

We never should have deviated from the constitution. With the help of the Patriot Act, and through Obama, we have handed the terrorists a win. A big one.

Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 12:50:40 PM
Shooter does this more out of glee.

.........................and your horse, too, Taxed.

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 12:53:26 PM
In the immortal words of our own infamous Queen of Mean, Miss Jasmine, kindly 'BITE ME'. Boy, I was probably voting conservative when you were still crapping yellow if you had even gotten beyond being a gleam in your Pappy's eye. I am not a Reagan Conservative, but a protege of Old Right Conservative Libertarian beliefs that was  the force that drove conservative PUB politics, before the Neo-Cons eventually kicked them under the bus.

You on the other hand seem to read what you want to read, as my original statement was prefixed with "I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.' Please note that I said Obama is USING EXCESSIVELY what Bush and his sniveling PUBS , put into place.

Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size, should have known and should have seen, as inexcusable as Bush was with his shit, someone coming down the pike would be worse, and use it to fokk over America to a fair thee well. That is exactly what Obamasan has done.

I will simply say this; when you come after my conservative constitutional credentials, damned well be ready to get both barrels back.

If you want to play at being an irate conservative, do it on your time and not mine.

I said it nicer.

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
I said it nicer.

Yeah, but you still try every now and then to be a nice guy.

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 01:07:00 PM
Yeah, but you still try every now and then to be a nice guy.

I'm slowly getting over it.

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 12:56:26 PM
.........................and your horse, too, Taxed.

Hey, I'm the one against income taxes -- remember??

(I love hitting you big-IRS types with that)

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 12:54:10 PM
There is no comparison at all. We just reelected a president that doesn't like anything about this country. That is not Bush.

We have gradually slipped away from strictly adhering to the US constitution. I hope it doesn't become our undoing.

When forming the DHS and passing the Patriot Act, Bush had no intention of stripping US citizens of their constitutional guarantees.
Obama does.

Obama abuses everything he touches. The Patriot Act, (in particular), has allowed Obama to thwart the constitution more than anything. Bush helped make that possible. Nobody saw Obama coming.

We never should have deviated from the constitution. With the help of the Patriot Act, and through Obama, we have handed the terrorists a win. A big one.

Generally speaking I think Bush did a good job, espccially with what our country faced after 9/11. He is ceratinly not anything like Obama. My problem with Bush is he allowed Congress to run out of control with its spending. He could have vetoed many of those spending bills and it was not just the dems. On hindsight I think he fell into the same "guns & butter" trap that did in LBJ. It is like his letting the congress spend they would approve his defense needs and they did. Just more bills to attach the "pork".

Quote from: taxed on January 06, 2013, 01:18:58 PM
Hey, I'm the one against income taxes -- remember??

(I love hitting you big-IRS types with that)

Who is a big IRS type?

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
I'm slowly getting over it.

I can see the change.

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 12:54:10 PM

When forming the DHS and passing the Patriot Act, Bush had no intention of stripping US citizens of their constitutional guarantees.
Obama does.

I'm glad SOME see it.  Despite what the Libs/Libertarians say, they can't list ANY abuses under Bush. Not true with Obama. Like all things, including guns, a "tool" is either good, or evil, depending on who's using it.  For this reason, I don't hold Bush responsible for making Obama's abuses possible, I hold the Voter responsible for putting this guy in office TWICE!

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
Generally speaking I think Bush did a good job, espccially with what our country faced after 9/11. He is ceratinly not anything like Obama. My problem with Bush is he allowed Congress to run out of control with its spending. He could have vetoed many of those spending bills and it was not just the dems. On hindsight I think he fell into the same "guns & butter" trap that did in LBJ. It is like his letting the congress spend they would approve his defense needs and they did. Just more bills to attach the "pork".

Bush should have made a hard conservative turn in his second term...........at least fiscally.

He also set the table for Obama's spending spree.

H.J.Res.15. officially titled "The Robert Mugabe Bill"....