Quote from: JustKari on January 06, 2013, 10:53:24 AM
My father is in his early sixties, a veteran of Vietnam, he told me last fall that he is sure he will see a revolution in his lifetime.  I tend to agree with him.

My Dear Lady, I am on the downhill side of my seventies, and I believe I'll see a revolution in my lifetime. Both abysses loom closer everyday.

Quote from: kramarat on January 06, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
One of things that I practically beg my lib friends to do.........................is to look at what Obama is doing, and just pretend it was Bush. I get blank stares. I swear; it's like the dems have put something in the freaking water.

I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.

None of this is new. Same shit, just more of it.

But, whoo doggy, don't you feel safer?

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 10:59:51 AM
My Dear Lady, I am on the downhill side of my seventies, and I believe I'll see a revolution in my lifetime. Both abysses loom closer everyday.

Um...................we are witnessing a revolution. Now it's a question of how we defend ourselves.

I'll just let HIM remind you:

Obama: "Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America" Long Version

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 11:04:53 AM
I would suggest Obama is using excessively what Bush, with the help of the sniveling PUBS, put into place.

None of this is new. Same shit, just more of it.

But, whoo doggy, don't you feel safer?

I can't believe you're serious.  Yeah, Bush did a lot of stupid stuff trying to be liked by the libs and moochers, and falling for TARP.
But Obama literally hates the constitution, American excellence and accomplishment over his native third world, and hates Christianity's accomplishments over his native Islam.

Obama is quite happy wreaking havoc on America to bring her back down to the relative mediocrity and failures of the rest of the world.

And he's quite thrilled with the Goebell's like (voluntary) servitude of the media, and the coalition of the moochers,  the illiterate,  homegrown America-Israel haters, and stealth enemies who are already here, like CAIR , ACLU, ACORN, OWS, etc.

We just saw a former American VP sell an American media outlet to our sworn enemies.  Without a peep.  What else do you need, to know that the destruction of America as a constitutional, Judeo-Christian, capitalist society is underway ?

We've never seen anything like this.  Even burgeoning dictator FDR was an American first, in his lust for fascist, absolute, permanent control of America. FDR, in all his evil machinations, was Gabby Hayes compared to Obama's  hate for America before his election, until he has transformed it into reparations and revenge for the rest of the world.

Bush isn't even on the radar screen in this discussion, and new reality.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 11:29:00 AM
I can't believe you're serious.  Yeah, Bush did a lot of stupid stuff trying to be liked by the libs and moochers, and falling for TARP.
But Obama literally hates the constitution, American excellence and accomplishment over his native third world, and hates Christianity's accomplishments over his native Islam.

Obama is quite happy wreaking havoc on America to bring her back down to the relative mediocrity and failures of the rest of the world.

And he's quite thrilled with the Goebell's like (voluntary) servitude of the media, and the coalition of the moochers,  the illiterate,  homegrown America-Israel haters, and stealth enemies who are already here, like CAIR , ACLU, ACORN, OWS, etc.

We just saw a former American VP sell an American media outlet to our sworn enemies.  Without a peep.  What else do you need, to know that the destruction of America as a constitutional, Judeo-Christian, capitalist society is underway ?

We've never seen anything like this.  Even burgeoning dictator FDR was an American first, in his lust for fascist, absolute, permanent control of America. FDR, in all his evil machinations, was Gabby Hayes compared to Obama's  hate for America before his election, until he has transformed it into reparations and revenge for the rest of the world.

Bush isn't even on the radar screen in this discussion, and new reality.

Believe I am serious! Stick your head in the sand about DHS, Patriot Act, preemptive wars, making the world safe for democracy, expansion of government and debt, all you wish. Machs nicht!

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 11:29:00 AM
I can't believe you're serious.  Yeah, Bush did a lot of stupid stuff trying to be liked by the libs and moochers, and falling for TARP.
But Obama literally hates the constitution, American excellence and accomplishment over his native third world, and hates Christianity's accomplishments over his native Islam.

Obama is quite happy wreaking havoc on America to bring her back down to the relative mediocrity and failures of the rest of the world.

And he's quite thrilled with the Goebell's like (voluntary) servitude of the media, and the coalition of the moochers,  the illiterate,  homegrown America-Israel haters, and stealth enemies who are already here, like CAIR , ACLU, ACORN, OWS, etc.

We just saw a former American VP sell an American media outlet to our sworn enemies.  Without a peep.  What else do you need, to know that the destruction of America as a constitutional, Judeo-Christian, capitalist society is underway ?

We've never seen anything like this.  Even burgeoning dictator FDR was an American first, in his lust for fascist, absolute, permanent control of America. FDR, in all his evil machinations, was Gabby Hayes compared to Obama's  hate for America before his election, until he has transformed it into reparations and revenge for the rest of the world.

Bush isn't even on the radar screen in this discussion, and new reality.

I'm gonna interject here.

Nobody can lay the blame on Bush, entirely.

It's taken decades of bipartison government creep, to unroll the red carpet for a man like Obama to take center stage.
Obama is the culmination of our collective, (and ongoing), stupidity.
It never should have reached this point......................but it did.

Just so we know why it would take a very radical move by Obama's part.



1st line, 2nd paragraph.....
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

... 1st line, 4th paragraph.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).



There is no way he could ever meet this level of requirement.

Quote from: Shooterman on January 06, 2013, 11:45:38 AM
Believe I am serious! Stick your head in the sand about DHS, Patriot Act, preemptive wars, making the world safe for democracy, expansion of government and debt, all you wish. Machs nicht!

You've been here a lot longer than me, and appear to speak halfways conservatively, but this post of yours reeks of the classic fake-internet-conservative.  The kind that has created / cultivated themselves on a site, just to claim "I'm a lifelong conservative Reagan republican who is so disgusted by the  GOP and tea party that I must now support Obama completely".

There's a lot of them around.  A staple in the arguments. Since I don't know you, I can't say anything for sure.

But "pre-emptive wars", "making the world safe for democracy", reference to "debt" and convenient dismissal of the unimagined scope of Obama's debt, and gratuitous Hitler / Nazi reference for Bush.......the stuff of diehard Obama fanboys & fangirls.

You protesteth Bush a little too much.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
Just so we know why it would take a very radical move by Obama's part.



1st line, 2nd paragraph.....
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

... 1st line, 4th paragraph.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).



There is no way he could ever meet this level of requirement.

Would you be surprised?

Obama does not seem to be hindered by the silly constitution. Apparently, the majority is okay with it.

I'm not arguing with you. I have to damn near pinch myself almost daily, just to make sure I'm not having a horrible nightmare.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 06, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
Just so we know why it would take a very radical move by Obama's part.



1st line, 2nd paragraph.....
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.

... 1st line, 4th paragraph.....A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States).



There is no way he could ever meet this level of requirement.

This was our rather sad and self-defeating take on Obamacare, the subsequent SC decision on it, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, White House Leaks, and Hillary's  disappearing act.

To assume that getting something done legally and ethically is impossible for Obama / Holder / Reid / Pelosi....is a dangerous game.  They will simply turn to other means, and laugh when they get away with it.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
You've been here a lot longer than me, and appear to speak halfways conservatively, but this post of yours reeks of the classic fake-internet-conservative.  The kind that has created / cultivated themselves on a site, just to claim "I'm a lifelong conservative Reagan republican who is so disgusted by the  GOP and tea party that I must now support Obama completely".

There's a lot of them around.  A staple in the arguments. Since I don't know you, I can't say anything for sure.

But "pre-emptive wars", "making the world safe for democracy", reference to "debt" and convenient dismissal of the uminagined scope of Obama's debt, and gratuitous Hitler / Nazi reference for Bush.......the stuff of diehard Obama fanboys & fangirls.

You protesteth Bush a little too much.

Nah. That's not Shooter.

I think he's merely pointing out, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I certainly don't think it was intentional, but Bush laid a lot of the groundwork to make a narcissistic freak like Obama, be able to take the reins of power..................and abuse the hell out of it.

They also have a habit of getting some shmuck to float these things, get the initial grumbling out of the way, and slowly cultivate the lib-horde / MSM support of it, before they strike.

Remember how Obama was a devout Christian totally against redefining marriage, supported by Biden's Catholic self.....then one day, magically Biden was a big gay marriage guy, and Obama mysteriously showed up as the same after the grumbling had subsided ?

I knew this was coming.

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 06, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
They also have a habit of getting some shmuck to float these things, get the initial grumbling out of the way, and slowly cultivate the lib-horde / MSM support of it, before they strike.

Remember how Obama was a devout Christian totally against redefining marriage, supported by Biden's Catholic self.....then one day, magically Biden was a big gay marriage guy, and Obama mysteriously showed up as the same after the grumbling had subsided ?

They will say and do anything to win. If they tell the truth, it's only because it is convenient at the moment.

Clinton veered to the center to protect his career; it had nothing to do with anything else.

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/20130102001-obamabot-third.html