Florida was correct to end the Disney government. The legislature voted 2-1 to do it. Disney as a company said they will use their resources to take down the Republicans in Florida. The Reedy Creek District was patronage. Support the party in power and get political positions. Now Disney can no longer issue tax free bonds to finance projects. I do not see Democrats handing over government entities to Republicans, do you?
As far as Disney not investing in Florida anymore, the truth is Disney is losing money and for the first time closed a hotel, the Star Wars Galactic. Disney just announced another big round of layoffs.
With the last minute Reedy Creek changes, Disney gave itself a covenant to build whatever they want and to end Reedy Creek use of Disney characters. I do not know about the Disney characters part, but a legislature can remove any covenant they want, remember the racial covenants?
It gives me a laugh how many Republicans are squealing that Florida should not interfere with business this way. Unless Republicans use government power, they will continue to lose to Democrats. This "businesses should do whatever they want" is preposterous.
Does anyone here believe the a company that is a thorn in the side of Republicans should have the power to have a jail and a police force? They contracted out to the county, but ultimately Disney had the power to have a jail and a police force.
Spot on! 👌👌
Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 05:26:00 PMSpot on! 👌👌
The key word here is the legislature. They did what they had to power to do. It is they, who deserve the credit. What was given to Disney should have never been given, the legislature corrected that.
Quote from: Possum on May 28, 2023, 05:53:25 PMThe key word here is the legislature. They did what they had to power to do. It is they, who deserve the credit. What was given to Disney should have never been given, the legislature corrected that.
OMG, I can't believe what I'm reading. FINALLY, you're beginning to finally grasp the situation. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: unver on May 28, 2023, 11:25:58 AM?
As far as Disney not investing in Florida anymore, the truth is Disney is losing money and for the first time closed a hotel, the Star Wars Galactic. Disney just announced another big round of layoffs.
QuoteAnd so many are still projecting how Disney's CEO is making a power play to teach DeSantis a lesson.
As to the Fla. legislation, spearheaded by DeSantis here's how it will affect Disney:
. ENDS Disney's self-governing status.
ENDS Disney's exemption from the Florida Building Code and Florida Fire Prevention Code.
ENDS Disney's exemption from state regulatory reviews and approvals.
ENDS Disney's secrecy by ensuring transparency.
ENSURES that Disney will pay its fair share of taxes.
PREVENTS leftist local governments from using the situation to raise local taxes.
IMPOSES Florida law so that Disney is no longer given preferential treatment.
ENSURES that Disney's municipal debt will be paid by Disney, not Florida taxpayers.
Quote from: WMK on May 28, 2023, 06:15:29 PMOMG, I can't believe what I'm reading. FINALLY, you're beginning to finally grasp the situation. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
You are showing you have yet to grasp it. Disney, as is common in states and cities, was given special treatment by the different governments, state and local, for enticements. I am against the government picking and choosing winners and losers. the most common form of enticement are lower tax rates in order to get companies to move there. Again, I am against this. I do not have a problem with governments looking at the unfairness of this and setting the record straight.
What I am not for, is when the head monkey goes after a company for what they think and use the tax rates as a way to punish. Maybe you will see the difference, I doubt it. But again, the key word here is LEGISLATURE, they
VOTED on it. But that is probably over your head too, you seem to give DeSantis credit for the accomplishments of a conservative congress.
Reading the comments on this thread I see two different issues have been raised. Obviously the first is the Disney situation and then a general issue of incentives for companies to locate in an area.
The genesis of the situation was not a mistake at the outset. Unfortunately, the problem is there was no end time for the benefits. Sixty years ago the Orlando area was just sleepy, central Florida area famous for only lakes and orange groves. The attraction of Disney World changed everything and the entire area has flourished. However, times have changed, as has Disney. The deal lasted too long and many would say Disney has abused its benefits.
As for government incentives, they are good if the CBA indicates long term benefit for the community. The problem arises when local politicians use the incentives to pad their own pockets rather than benefit the community. :coff
Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 04:00:05 AMYou are showing you have yet to grasp it. Disney, as is common in states and cities, was given special treatment by the different governments, state and local, for enticements. I am against the government picking and choosing winners and losers. the most common form of enticement are lower tax rates in order to get companies to move there. Again, I am against this. I do not have a problem with governments looking at the unfairness of this and setting the record straight.
What I am not for, is when the head monkey goes after a company for what they think and use the tax rates as a way to punish. Maybe you will see the difference, I doubt it. But again, the key word here is LEGISLATURE, they
VOTED on it. But that is probably over your head too, you seem to give DeSantis credit for the accomplishments of a conservative congress.
Why play the wiggle worm? Man up and move on. Otherwise you'll just go deeper into the rabbit hole.
Yup, "spearheaded" is the word of choice re: DeSantis & legislation passed.
Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 07:18:09 AMWhy play the wiggle worm? Man up and move on. Otherwise you'll just go deeper into the rabbit hole.
Yup, "spearheaded" is the word of choice re: DeSantis & legislation passed.
You obviously are not capable to grasp the idea of government over reach. Pity. Most liberals live for that over reach. Imagine, a government that can punish businesses for thought. Must be your idea of paradise.
Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 08:32:16 AMYou obviously are not capable to grasp the idea of government over reach. Pity. Most liberals live for that over reach. Imagine, a government that can punish businesses for thought. Must be your idea of paradise.
Swallow your pride and move on. There's things far away is the time worse than a bruised ego.
Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 08:59:53 AMSwallow your pride and move on. There's things far away is the time worse than a bruised ego.
You have yet to answer why you are ok with what DeSantis did. Why you think HIM punishing a legal business for the direction they are moving is correct. Do you want your government to mind check every business? Your resorting to childish answers and comments is a reflection on you, not me. If you are fine with that reputation, great, is sure does not bother me. But, do you want to have an adult discussion or not? Your call. But I have had it with your dumbass answers.
Quote from: Possum on May 29, 2023, 09:29:05 AMYou have yet to answer why you are ok with what DeSantis did. Why you think HIM punishing a legal business for the direction they are moving is correct. Do you want your government to mind check every business? Your resorting to childish answers and comments is a reflection on you, not me. If you are fine with that reputation, great, is sure does not bother me. But, do you want to have an adult discussion or not? Your call. But I have had it with your dumbass answers.
Maybe now you'll understand what I essentially told you some time ago; you get back what you give. Now grab a tissue, wipe your eyes, and move on, like I told you.
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 29, 2023, 05:26:17 AMAs for government incentives, they are good if the CBA indicates long term benefit for the community. The problem arises when local politicians use the incentives to pad their own pockets rather than benefit the community. :coff
Unfortunately, human nature is such that whoever sits in the catbird seat, eventually sucumbs to abusing its privileges. IMO, in today's America, most politicians and businesses are in collusion to further their own interest, first. "The people" serve as usable pawns.
Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 12:01:30 PMUnfortunately, human nature is such that whoever sits in the catbird seat, eventually sucumbs to abusing its privileges. IMO, in today's America, most politicians and businesses are in collusion to further their own interest, first. "The people" serve as usable pawns.
Oh, kinda like Ron did when he made it illegal to see who his donors are?
Keep digging, I'm right behind with a backhoe, ready to fill you in.
Quote from: Solar on May 29, 2023, 01:10:31 PMOh, kinda like Ron did when he made it illegal to see who his donors are?
Keep digging, I'm right behind with a backhoe, ready to fill you in.
You're the conspiracy theorist here, not me. So it's you who needs to backhoe and uncover the 'DeSantis donor conspiracy.'
Quote from: WMK on May 29, 2023, 06:52:43 PMYou're the conspiracy theorist here, not me. So it's you who needs to backhoe and uncover the 'DeSantis donor conspiracy.'
Wait, your guy doesn't want you to see who is paying his ticket, and I'm the conspiracy guy?
You're such a leftist troll. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2023, 06:15:39 AMWait, your guy doesn't want you to see who is paying his ticket, and I'm the conspiracy guy?
You're such a leftist troll. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
We may not know who is giving money, but you can be damn sure those giving it will NEVER let DeSantis forget. As they say, nothing is free.
Quote from: Possum on May 30, 2023, 06:53:37 AMWe may not know who is giving money, but you can be damn sure those giving it will NEVER let DeSantis forget. As they say, nothing is free.
That's Right, he is just a puppet, just like Biden, and apparently just as fucking dumb!
Why would anyone let themselves be used like this?
I suspect his wife has a lot to do with it, she wants that First Lady title far more than Ron wants the WH.
But I'm not concerned in the least, he botched his launch beyond repair, and that's why he hasn't really made any big appearances.
He now has to start from deficit polling, that's a bitch of a mountain to climb.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2023, 06:58:15 AMThat's Right, he is just a puppet, just like Biden, and apparently just as fucking dumb!
Why would anyone let themselves be used like this?
I suspect his wife has a lot to do with it, she wants that First Lady title far more than Ron wants the WH.
But I'm not concerned in the least, he botched his launch beyond repair, and that's why he hasn't really made any big appearances.
He now has to start from deficit polling, that's a bitch of a mountain to climb.
I'm really not sure what people are seeing in him other than orange man bad. In just a few months he has shown he has no idea what the constitution stands for.
Quote from: Possum on May 30, 2023, 07:02:33 AMI'm really not sure what people are seeing in him other than orange man bad. In just a few months he has shown he has no idea what the constitution stands for.
Agree! Just like his NWO backers, old washed up RINO that the Nation rejected, yes, nevertrumpers.
The upside is, everyone is finding out the truth about the kid.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2023, 07:09:33 AMAgree! Just like his NWO backers, old washed up RINO that the Nation rejected, yes, nevertrumpers.
The upside is, everyone is finding out the truth about the kid.
At the rate he's going, he might just turn Florida over to the left.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2023, 06:58:15 AMThat's Right, he is just a puppet, just like Biden, and apparently just as fucking dumb!
Why would anyone let themselves be used like this?
I suspect his wife has a lot to do with it, she wants that First Lady title far more than Ron wants the WH.
But I'm not concerned in the least, he botched his launch beyond repair, and that's why he hasn't really made any big appearances.
He now has to start from deficit polling, that's a bitch of a mountain to climb.
For starters, Biden has shown how the office can make you rich beyond dreams. Just make sure those skids stay greased. Eight years in the White house should pay enough to retire, the kids can retire, the grandkids.......
https://twitter.com/alexbruesewitz/status/1663596942822080532
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2023, 06:15:39 AMWait, your guy doesn't want you to see who is paying his ticket, and I'm the conspiracy guy?
You're such a leftist troll. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Such a clandestine bill yet you haven't started a dedicated thread with daily updates? The public needs to know what dastardly deeds DeSantis donors could have up their sleeves! This is your Paul Revere moment! Could be real boon for this platform once it gets public exposure.
Quote from: WMK on May 30, 2023, 06:51:03 PMSuch a clandestine bill yet you haven't started a dedicated thread with daily updates? The public needs to know what dastardly deeds DeSantis donors could have up their sleeves! This is your Paul Revere moment! Could be real boon for this platform once it gets public exposure.
Wait, you actually think DeSantis has a shot at winning the Primary fair and square? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
DeSantis needed to hide what his backers are doing, that alone was everyone's reflag, then he his campaign imploded on the launch pad, and he is now in deficit polling territory.
You haven't seen him campaigning because his backers know he's in serious trouble, so much so, no one in the campaign knows what to do.
But if you think his failures and corruption deserve their own thread, have at it, no one is stopping you. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2023, 05:23:48 AMWait, you actually think DeSantis has a shot at winning the Primary fair and square? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
DeSantis needed to hide what his backers are doing, that alone was everyone's reflag, then he his campaign imploded on the launch pad, and he is now in deficit polling territory.
You haven't seen him campaigning because his backers know he's in serious trouble, so much so, no one in the campaign knows what to do.
But if you think his failures and corruption deserve their own thread, have at it, no one is stopping you. :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
I don't think he has any intention of actually telling us why he backs DeSantis and his policies. Or he can't. :lol:
Quote from: Possum on May 31, 2023, 05:52:20 AMI don't think he has any intention of actually telling us why he backs DeSantis and his policies. Or he can't. :lol:
He Can't. :lol: :lol: :lol:
He's a lib troll who hates Trump. It's all about emotion with this guy.
He can't post anything positive about the child King, because all of Ron's accomplishments came from the Legislature.
Ron has proven to be a puppet of the NWO Uniparty and nothing else.
Has to be tough being this emotionally invested in a politician, yet not be able to tout one single achievement the guy has made on his own.
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2023, 05:57:30 AMHe Can't. :lol: :lol: :lol:
He's a lib troll who hates Trump. It's all about emotion with this guy.
He can't post anything positive about the child King, because all of Ron's accomplishments came from the Legislature.
Ron has proven to be a puppet of the NWO Uniparty and nothing else.
Has to be tough being this emotionally invested in a politician, yet not be able to tout one single achievement the guy has made on his own.
Well, that explains all the childish answers. if he thinks he is doing DeSantis any good, he's mistaken, big time. Then again, maybe DeSantis is on the same level?
Quote from: Possum on May 31, 2023, 06:02:32 AMWell, that explains all the childish answers. if he thinks he is doing DeSantis any good, he's mistaken, big time. Then again, maybe DeSantis is on the same level?
I've been following social media closely and all of a sudden there are no trolls pushing him.
I'm guessing his paid trolls got the word to back off, that he will make another attempt in hopes of becoming relevant.
But right now it's dead out there. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2023, 05:23:48 AMWait, you actually think DeSantis has a shot at winning the Primary fair and square? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
DeSantis needed to hide what his backers are doing, that alone was everyone's reflag,
So he drafted legislation so a not to draw attention to them? :coff :coff
Ching Ching. :bigl
Quote from: WMK on May 31, 2023, 08:57:49 AMSo he drafted legislation so a not to draw attention to them? :coff :coff
Ching Ching. :bigl
Wow, you really are a lost cause kid, I'm sure glad you reflect the average DeSantis supporter.
You people are sealing his fate! :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2023, 09:45:08 AMWow, you really are a lost cause kid, I'm sure glad you reflect the average DeSantis supporter.
You people are sealing his fate! :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl :bigl
Glad to know that. I was beginning to worry with all the extremes of laugher/anger I've been hearing from post to post. Carry on :thumbsup:
Quotehttps://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-disney-ron-desantis-florida-bob-iger-20fb5776
"Donald Trump Sides With Disney"
"The former President goes for woke to trash Ron DeSantis."
===================================================================
Ben Blanchet
Mon, May 29, 2023 at 5:04 AM CDT
"Trump Calls On DeSantis To Stop 'Woke' Disney In Flip-Flop On Feud"Quote==================================================================
This is why DJT does not deserve another shot at the Oval. He sways with the political current when it suits him. Earlier on, Trump sensed vocal criticism of DeSantis vs Disney was building against the governor, so he quickly and publicly sided with Disney. But now, since 'woke/transgenderism' seems to be facing national opposition, Trump just as quickly turned on Disney's woke policies. At this crucial juncture in our Country, the last thing we need is someone's who already proven to be, wanting, as a steadfast leader.
Quote from: WMK on May 31, 2023, 01:20:26 PMQuotehttps://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-disney-ron-desantis-florida-bob-iger-20fb5776
"Donald Trump Sides With Disney"
"The former President goes for woke to trash Ron DeSantis."
===================================================================
Ben Blanchet
Mon, May 29, 2023 at 5:04 AM CDT
"Trump Calls On DeSantis To Stop 'Woke' Disney In Flip-Flop On Feud"Quote==================================================================
This is why DJT does not deserve another shot at the Oval. He sways with the political current when it suits him. Earlier on, Trump sensed vocal criticism of DeSantis vs Disney was building against the governor, so he quickly and publicly sided with Disney. But now, since 'woke/transgenderism' seems to be facing national opposition, Trump just as quickly turned on Disney's woke policies. At this crucial juncture in our Country, the last thing we need is someone's who already proven to be, wanting, as a steadfast leader.
Botched another quote, I see. :rolleyes:
Trump is smarter than you, you do that....
You do know, Disney isn't the problem, Right? If you understood who was pulling the strings, you'd realize you are swinging at turds as they fall.
Learn about ESG, the money behind all these woke corps, in the process of going under.
ESG is controlling the banking system, so if these corps don't do as they're told, they can't get loans.
Quote from: WMK on May 31, 2023, 01:20:26 PMQuotehttps://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-disney-ron-desantis-florida-bob-iger-20fb5776
"Donald Trump Sides With Disney"
"The former President goes for woke to trash Ron DeSantis."
===================================================================
Ben Blanchet
Mon, May 29, 2023 at 5:04 AM CDT
"Trump Calls On DeSantis To Stop 'Woke' Disney In Flip-Flop On Feud"
Quote==================================================================
This is why DJT does not deserve another shot at the Oval. He sways with the political current when it suits him. Earlier on, Trump sensed vocal criticism of DeSantis vs Disney was building against the governor, so he quickly and publicly sided with Disney. But now, since 'woke/transgenderism' seems to be facing national opposition, Trump just as quickly turned on Disney's woke policies. At this crucial juncture in our Country, the last thing we need is someone's who already proven to be, wanting, as a steadfast leader.
You don't get it, you never will get it, and I sure do not think you can learn. I do not know of anyone, other than the far left who is taking Disney's side on this. Decent people do not like what Disney is trying to teach kids. With that being said, I do not know of anyone who approve of the way DeSantis went after them.
We do not need our government to do a thought test to see who will be punished, who will receive tax breaks, who will be allowed to stay open. THAT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE. Just like the people decided to stop doing business with Bud Light. Once government has the power to punish businesses for thoughts, the country will be gone, all our freedoms. This is the point you can not grasp. NOBODY here on this forum is taking Disney's side. But there were far better ways for DeSantis to handle this.
Please do not respond back. I have asked several times for you to open discussion on this subject, tell me why you see no problem with the way this was handled, that is what this forum is for. You can only respond with childish responses which accomplish nothing. The forum does not your B.S.
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2023, 02:51:47 PMBotched another quote, I see. :rolleyes:
Trump is smarter than you, you do that....
You do know, Disney isn't the problem, Right? If you understood who was pulling the strings, you'd realize you are swinging at turds as they fall.
Learn about ESG, the money behind all these woke corps, in the process of going under.
ESG is controlling the banking system, so if these corps don't do as they're told, they can't get loans.
Who neglects the enemy in front of him but focuses on the one far away? A dead man, that's who.
QuoteYou don't get it, you never will get it, and I sure do not think you can learn. I do not know of anyone, other than the far left who is taking Disney's side on this. Decent people do not like what Disney is trying to teach kids. With that being said, I do not know of anyone who approve of the way DeSantis went after them.
We do not need our government to do a thought test to see who will be punished, who will receive tax breaks, who will be allowed to stay open. THAT IS FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE. Just like the people decided to stop doing business with Bud Light. Once government has the power to punish businesses for thoughts, the country will be gone, all our freedoms. This is the point you can not grasp. NOBODY here on this forum is taking Disney's side. But there were far better ways for DeSantis to handle this.
Please do not respond back. I have asked several times for you to open discussion on this subject, tell me why you see no problem with the way this was handled, that is what this forum is for. You can only respond with childish responses which accomplish nothing. The forum does not your B.S."QuoteWho would post such doublespeak nonsense, present opinion as fact, then ask you not to reply? How serious can you take such a person?
Quote from: WMK on May 31, 2023, 01:20:26 PMQuotehttps://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-disney-ron-desantis-florida-bob-iger-20fb5776
"Donald Trump Sides With Disney"
"The former President goes for woke to trash Ron DeSantis."
===================================================================
Ben Blanchet
Mon, May 29, 2023 at 5:04 AM CDT
"Trump Calls On DeSantis To Stop 'Woke' Disney In Flip-Flop On Feud"Quote==================================================================
This is why DJT does not deserve another shot at the Oval. He sways with the political current when it suits him. Earlier on, Trump sensed vocal criticism of DeSantis vs Disney was building against the governor, so he quickly and publicly sided with Disney. But now, since 'woke/transgenderism' seems to be facing national opposition, Trump just as quickly turned on Disney's woke policies. At this crucial juncture in our Country, the last thing we need is someone's who already proven to be, wanting, as a steadfast leader.
Good Grief Charlie Brown, you STILL DONT GET IT. This is exactly WHY I support Trump. HE IS A BUSINESSMAN NOT A POLITICIAN. As a businessman he had to deal with corrupt overreaching politicos while building his real estate empire and even moreso once established especially with his Casino's. DeSantis is just that, he is messing with a private industry because of some Psuedo moralistic standpoint, same as those high horse Pols that opposed Trumps Gambling establishments.
Let the consumer the public set the moral standards, don't like Disneys woke agenda? Do not patronize them. Don't like gambling or the Casino atmosphere? Don't gamble or set foot in one.
I don't want the GOVT ANY GOVT, Leftist or Right wing over reaching private industry. That is CCP mentality
Quote from: WMK on May 31, 2023, 08:57:49 AMSo he drafted legislation so a not to draw attention to them? :coff :coff
Ching Ching. :bigl
Amazing, I never thought we'd get a lib troll this stupid, to post here ever again, but I've been proven wrong.
You are the stupidest troll EVER!
Just think, if Trump had the power to hide all his supporters from public view, you'd be going ape shit!
But he didn't, know why?
Because Trump isn't a part of Ron's NWO/Uniparty, that's why!
Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2023, 06:30:41 AMBecause Trump isn't a part of Ron's NWO/Uniparty, that's why!
Sure. And all that can be verified by Trump's good buddy and cohort, Speaker McCarthy.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 01, 2023, 05:06:36 AMGood Grief Charlie Brown, you STILL DONT GET IT. This is exactly WHY I support Trump. HE IS A BUSINESSMAN NOT A POLITICIAN.
QuoteBilly, come out of the ether. Trump is a politician. He has a 4 year record to prove it. And fasten your seatbelt, he's a politician that also has close ties to Pfizer & Johnson & Johnson.
QuoteLet the consumer the public set the moral standards, don't like Disneys woke agenda? Do not patronize them. Don't like gambling or the Casino atmosphere? Don't gamble or set foot in one.
QuoteI think you need to review what this whole Disney dust up is all about - self governing as a business entity. 'Wokeism' is the vehicle that prompted DeSantis to do what should have been done long ago - remove Disney's self governing privileges and put them on equal footing with other corporations.
[quoteI don't want the GOVT ANY GOVT, Leftist or Right wing over reaching private industry. That is CCP mentality
Taxation and "governing" is not the job of business. It was Disney who had the 'overreach' into Govt. Not the other way around. Even Charlie Brown knew that.
Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2023, 06:30:41 AMAmazing, I never thought we'd get a lib troll this stupid, to post here ever again, but I've been proven wrong.
You are the stupidest troll EVER!
Just think, if Trump had the power to hide all his supporters from public view, you'd be going ape shit!
But he didn't, know why?
Because Trump isn't a part of Ron's NWO/Uniparty, that's why!
[/quote]This is the kind of crap DeSantis is trying to pull as Governor and getting caught. Can you imagine the constitutional breaking laws he will try to get passed with all the rino's and liberal democrats?? It is way too obvious DeSantis thinks the government is here to "protect" us. I guess that is what his generation was taught.
Quote from: Possum on June 01, 2023, 10:52:08 AMThis is the kind of crap DeSantis is trying to pull as Governor and getting caught. Can you imagine the constitutional breaking laws he will try to get passed with all the rino's and liberal democrats?? It is way too obvious DeSantis thinks the government is here to "protect" us. I guess that is what his generation was taught.
Exactly! It's why I call Ron a fascist!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 01, 2023, 05:06:36 AM,Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 08:24:39 AMTaxation and "governing" is not the job of business. It was Disney who had the 'overreach' into Govt. Not the other way around. Even Charlie Brown knew that.
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Nope you still don't get it....GOVT INTERFERING WITH BUSINESS...COMMIE STUFF. All businesses to some degree try to MANIPULATE Govt.
And Disney's latest disaster is the "woke" flop little Mermaid movie.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 01, 2023, 12:12:58 PMNope you still don't get it....GOVT INTERFERING WITH BUSINESS...COMMIE STUFF. All businesses to some degree try to MANIPULATE Govt.
And Disney's latest disaster is the "woke" flop little Mermaid movie.
Sounds like you're a fan of Corporatism. I am not. If you believe that Disney should continue to be its own governing entity and have other special privileges, that would qualify you as a corporatist.
This entire bill (and this thread)is focused on taking those self governing special privileges away from Disney. The state should have done that long ago, as it is in their legal power, and in the better interest of Floridians.
Quote from: WMK on June 01, 2023, 02:22:48 PMSounds like you're a fan of Corporatism. I am not. If you believe that Disney should continue to be its own governing entity and have other special privileges, that would qualify you as a corporatist.
This entire bill (and this thread)is focused on taking those self governing special privileges away from Disney. The state should have done that long ago, as it is in their legal power, and in the better interest of Floridians.
Here is something interesting. Nikki Haley comes out and says you give her money and she stays bought and paid for. Its an odd line of attack to say the least to rip DeSantis for taking disney donations and then doing what is right. Ron is not bought and paid for. Thats a good thing.
https://twitter.com/bonchieredstate/status/1665688953742139392
Quote from: ldub23 on June 05, 2023, 06:19:27 AMHere is something interesting. Nikki Haley comes out and says you give her money and she stays bought and paid for. Its an odd line of attack to say the least to rip DeSantis for taking disney donations and then doing what is right. Ron is not bought and paid for. Thats a good thing.
https://twitter.com/bonchieredstate/status/1665688953742139392
A frequent criticism you hear about DeSantis relates to 'associations' or those who're financially supporting his candidacy. And while this is a healthy & wise speculation' to practice, too often it devolves into an automatic 'guilt-by-association' political tactic. Records and deeds should always be the gold standard when electing a leader into office. And if that proves true here in this primary, it would bode very well for DeSantis.
From what I've seen in DeSantis thus far, he has run his campaign just as I anticipated he would. IMO, he proving to be a stark contrast to Trump in almost every way where it really counts as a leader - substance. And, IMO, this will only become more evident as time moves on.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 10:43:54 AMA frequent criticism you hear about DeSantis relates to 'associations' or those who're financially supporting his candidacy. And while this is a healthy & wise speculation' to practice, too often it devolves into an automatic 'guilt-by-association' political tactic. Records and deeds should always be the gold standard when electing a leader into office. And if that proves true here in this primary, it would bode very well for DeSantis.
From what I've seen in DeSantis thus far, he has run his campaign just as I anticipated he would. IMO, he proving to be a stark contrast to Trump in almost every way where it really counts as a leader - substance. And, IMO, this will only become more evident as time moves on.
Why does he want to hide his donations?
Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 11:16:12 AMWhy does he want to hide his donations?
Good question. But if it's problematic for you, I can only suggest you find out 'those in the know' and share it with all of us in a thread.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 10:43:54 AMA frequent criticism you hear about DeSantis relates to 'associations' or those who're financially supporting his candidacy. And while this is a healthy & wise speculation' to practice, too often it devolves into an automatic 'guilt-by-association' political tactic. Records and deeds should always be the gold standard when electing a leader into office. And if that proves true here in this primary, it would bode very well for DeSantis.
From what I've seen in DeSantis thus far, he has run his campaign just as I anticipated he would. IMO, he proving to be a stark contrast to Trump in almost every way where it really counts as a leader - substance. And, IMO, this will only become more evident as time moves on.
I agree.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 11:35:51 AMGood question. But if it's problematic for you, I can only suggest you find out 'those in the know' and share it with all of us in a thread.
There is only one reason to hide where the money is coming from, voters you are counting on would not approve. Personally, I want to see how much DeSantis is receiving from China, from Soros, from planned parenthood, do you?
Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 02:44:24 PMThere is only one reason to hide where the money is coming from, voters you are counting on would not approve. Personally, I want to see how much DeSantis is receiving from China, from Soros, from planned parenthood, do you?
I watch how he governs. That's the gold standard for me!
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 03:27:07 PMI watch how he governs. That's the gold standard for me!
Then you sir are a part of the problem not the solution. We need our politicians to be above board and transparent. By the time the election rolls around we will have put up with democrats running this country for four yeas with pressure on them to do what China wants. We have D.A's who take their orders from Soros, we do not need money for campaigns coming in with NO accountability.
There is only one reason this does not bother you, you are a liberal just like you have been called out several times. Laws for accountability are on the books FOR A REASON! You and DeSantis are the only ones who have no problem changing that. What if your guy does not get the nomination? Are you willing to give whoever is running that same blanket to cover up their money?
Should Biden be allowed to accept as much money as he can from China without anyone knowing?? Or do you think DeSantis should have his own rules to play by all to himself. Seems to work for the democrats.
Come-on, lets hear your answers, bring something to the table, for once.
Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 03:48:35 PMThen you sir are a part of the problem not the solution. We need our politicians to be above board and transparent. By the time the election rolls around we will have put up with democrats running this country for four yeas with pressure on them to do what China wants. We have D.A's who take their orders from Soros, we do not need money for campaigns coming in with NO accountability.
There is only one reason this does not bother you, you are a liberal just like you have been called out several times. Laws for accountability are on the books FOR A REASON! You and DeSantis are the only ones who have no problem changing that. What if your guy does not get the nomination? Are you willing to give whoever is running that same blanket to cover up their money?
Should Biden be allowed to accept as much money as he can from China without anyone knowing?? Or do you think DeSantis should have his own rules to play by all to himself. Seems to work for the democrats.
Come-on, lets hear your answers, bring something to the table, for once.
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Quote from: Possum on June 05, 2023, 03:48:35 PMThen you sir are a part of the problem not the solution.
I've found my "solution" in DeSantis. So whatever "problem" your referring to is entirely your own to solve. Good luck with that.
Quote from: WMK on June 05, 2023, 06:00:05 PM`
I've found my "solution" in DeSantis. So whatever "problem" your referring to is entirely your own to solve. Good luck with that.
And again, you can not answer the questions. Here is a real simple one, does the American public have a right to know where/who a politician receives his campaign donations from. I bet you will not answer. Maybe Zen and Ibud can help you out.
Here's another, the Biden's have received millions from China, do you think that money has influenced him negatively, and would it had been better for America to kept the money quite?
One more, why does THIS politician feel HIS donations need to be hidden from your view?
Bring something to the table, call your buddies get their input, get help, and maybe you will be able to answer these questions EVERYONE else knows the answer to.
Quote from: Possum on June 06, 2023, 04:35:07 AMAnd again, you can not answer the questions. Here is a real simple one, does the American public have a right to know where/who a politician receives his campaign donations from. I bet you will not answer. Maybe Zen and Ibud can help you out.
Here's another, the Biden's have received millions from China, do you think that money has influenced him negatively, and would it had been better for America to kept the money quite?
One more, why does THIS politician feel HIS donations need to be hidden from your view?
Bring something to the table, call your buddies get their input, get help, and maybe you will be able to answer these questions EVERYONE else knows the answer to.
He knows the truth, he knows it's all bad, but to admit it is to admit he was played just like the left has always played their stupid base.
He's in love with the dream, and he refuses to have his heart broken again. :lol: :lol: :lol: