Do Govt workers make to much

Started by zip, February 23, 2011, 09:21:03 AM

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Quote from: zip on February 23, 2011, 03:06:20 PM
    You know the answer to that taxed...its walmart workers govt workers...garbage men, cops , firemen...you know the drill

But I don't know.  Is it income, or how much physical energy they exert?  For example, how is someone who makes $300k per year, with other people's money, his marriage, house and assets on the line, working 18 hours per day, every day, losing years of his life due to stress, shelling out half his income in taxes, not in the "working class"?
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U_Kay

Quote from: zip on February 23, 2011, 09:21:03 AM
      Govt workers pay and benefits keep being compared to the private sectors pay.


  I want to ask a question to anyone on this board, aside from arpad which I will not read...I will just make an off the cuff sarcastic comment.

    How can it be that the private sector employees have stagnated while the CEO and big boss pays and bonuss' have skyrocketed even in these bad times...even with companies that have had FAILED leadership and took taxpayer bailiouts.
    How can that be ? if the corporations are hurting so bad.
  Some people believe private sector employees have been screwed by the Big shots and its not that govt workers make more...its private sector isnt making what they should.....
   


Private Sector VS Federal Government pay... The Fed govt worker makes considerably more than his or her counter part in the private sector. So I agree with everyone else in this thread on that matter of fact.

I dont worry about CEOs and their pay.  I do, however resent the Fed Govt collecting all of these hefty taxes from me to give to the fed employees who are not very productive, yet raking in the easy dough from you and me.

Zip, your last sentence is incorrect. Private sector workers are paid according to their level of expertise and knowledge and the demand in this capitalistic society.  If there is no demand for something, the private sector worker can not make the big money. I remember in the early to mid 80's when Geologists and Petroleum Engineers suffered in that recession. Some of them were flipping burgers in this country during that time. That is how capitalism works. There is no sure deal and many risks occur. With government workers, there arent any worries to speak of... They continually gain huge pay raises and their pay has gotten out of hand. It is time for a change in the fed govt pay scale. The private workers are not going to continue feeding this HUGE HOG of a federal government as we have been doing.

Revolt is coming again in Nov of 2012.

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Sorry chaps but what exactly is the topic?

taxed

Quote from: Krell Kneen the Bird Strangler on February 23, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
Sorry chaps but what exactly is the topic?

The public sector is underpaid and the public sector is overpaid.
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U_Kay

Quote from: taxed on February 23, 2011, 06:16:05 PM
The public sector is underpaid and the public sector is overpaid.

The public sector is OVERPAID, by waaaaaaaaaaay too much!

taxed

Quote from: U_Kay on February 23, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
The public sector is OVERPAID, by waaaaaaaaaaay too much!

Totally!  Beyond overpaid, most of them should be working at McDonald's...
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U_Kay

Quote from: taxed on February 23, 2011, 06:19:48 PM
Totally!  Beyond overpaid, most of them should be working at McDonald's...

I wont disagree with that statement! ;)

republicans2

Quote from: zip on February 23, 2011, 09:21:03 AM
      Govt workers pay and benefits keep being compared to the private sectors pay.


  I want to ask a question to anyone on this board, aside from arpad which I will not read...I will just make an off the cuff sarcastic comment.

    How can it be that the private sector employees have stagnated while the CEO and big boss pays and bonuss' have skyrocketed even in these bad times...even with companies that have had FAILED leadership and took taxpayer bailiouts.
    How can that be ? if the corporations are hurting so bad.
  Some people believe private sector employees have been screwed by the Big shots and its not that govt workers make more...its private sector isnt making what they should.....
   
   

As a long time state AND federal employee, I feel I am generously compensated both in salary and benefits.  My wife is a state employee and her pension plan is far better then mine and her benefits are better then mine.  My salary is far better then hers however.  I am grateful and acknowledge I have it better then many, if not most.

republicans2

Quote from: U_Kay on February 23, 2011, 06:18:21 PM
The public sector is OVERPAID, by waaaaaaaaaaay too much!

Not saying you are wrong but can you give an example?

zip

Quote from: republicans2 on February 23, 2011, 07:53:46 PM
As a long time state AND federal employee, I feel I am generously compensated both in salary and benefits.  My wife is a state employee and her pension plan is far better then mine and her benefits are better then mine.  My salary is far better then hers however.  I am grateful and acknowledge I have it better then many, if not most.

       Ok thats a fair assesment and I agree with what you said.....you didnt just pull an arpad or a taxed and say all unions and govt workers are overpaid...throw out blanket statements that are based on nothing, but their obvious hatred and disdain for unions and govt workers...

     

republicans2

Quote from: zip on February 23, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
       Ok thats a fair assesment and I agree with what you said.....you didnt just pull an arpad or a taxed and say all unions and govt workers are overpaid...throw out blanket statements that are based on nothing, but their obvious hatred and disdain for unions and govt workers...

     

I was a recent union shop steward as well as VP.  I sucked though to be honest.  Never was very warm to unions but acknowledge they do have a place.  I don't think it's appropriate for public unions to take dues and give them to politicians who have votes to give them their benefit packages.  I find it distasteful.  When you give a large amount of money and support to a campaign, it's expected that candidate will support them when needed.  This is not in the best interests of the public (taxpayers).  I finally quit the union because of my dues being funneled to candidates I found repulsive.  I also had a problem with union officials giving public backing without consulting the unions members.  Now you know the rest of the story........

U_Kay

Quote from: republicans2 on February 23, 2011, 07:55:04 PM
Not saying you are wrong but can you give an example?

I am not sure what type of example you are requesting so you may want to do a google search.

Here is what I will site for you concerning the point I am making~

On May 10,2012 Adam Summers wrote an article on "Comparing Private Sectr and Government Worker Salaries" He sited the source US Bureau of Economic Analysis

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj30n1/cj30n1-5.pdf

Please notice the graph on page 89 and you may read what was stated on page 90.

Also, may I add I was a mortgage loan officer until recently. With my line of work, if you wanted the home, show me your tax returns or w-2. Hence, I knew people's pay. City Government workers and State Government workers couldnt compete with Federal Government worker pay. The Fed employees were collecting 'considerably' more pay than the state and city employees. However, all of them received grand benefits for again, on the uniform residential application, they would list retirement plans, etc...

As a matter of fact, I am still shocked at the pay some of these federal employees received for the type of work they performed.

I have a friend today, after high school, he entered the military. After he retired from the military, he took a 250 K job with the Justice department. According to his wife, he now makes 270,000 + yearly. Imagine that?

republicans2

Quote from: U_Kay on February 24, 2011, 11:39:27 AM
I am not sure what type of example you are requesting so you may want to do a google search.

Here is what I will site for you concerning the point I am making~

On May 10,2012 Adam Summers wrote an article on "Comparing Private Sectr and Government Worker Salaries" He sited the source US Bureau of Economic Analysis

http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cj30n1/cj30n1-5.pdf

Please notice the graph on page 89 and you may read what was stated on page 90.

Also, may I add I was a mortgage loan officer until recently. With my line of work, if you wanted the home, show me your tax returns or w-2. Hence, I knew people's pay. City Government workers and State Government workers couldnt compete with Federal Government worker pay. The Fed employees were collecting 'considerably' more pay than the state and city employees. However, all of them received grand benefits for again, on the uniform residential application, they would list retirement plans, etc...

As a matter of fact, I am still shocked at the pay some of these federal employees received for the type of work they performed.

I have a friend today, after high school, he entered the military. After he retired from the military, he took a 250 K job with the Justice department. According to his wife, he now makes 270,000 + yearly. Imagine that?

I know people in the private sector that make at least that much.  Proves nothing.  I thought you had something specific to show.  It's interesting to me.  I'm torn due to my status.  I think I'm fair in my assessments but it's difficult to actually get a handle on it.  I'm sure some public workers make too much but some don't make enough.  I think it's all in how you see things.  I know many people where I work drive up in some pretty nice cars.  I also think we've been pitted against one another in many ways.  Our society gets caught up in materialistic things while ignoring the important things in life that should be valued the most. 

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I will probably stay out of this discussion because I am a "County" worker.  I make a decent salary but I do work my butt off for it.  I worked my way up through the ranks to the level I am.  My job is an unrepresented job - no union.  I have mentioned before that for the last 4 years I have had no raises, no COLA's, and my health insurance has gone up every year I have been with the county.   When I retire at 55+ I won't be pulling in a large pension and I will be paying for a portion of my health insurance.  Bottom line it is not all sunshine and roses for some government employees.  But at least I do have a job...for now. :)

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U_Kay

Quote from: republicans2 on February 24, 2011, 08:50:01 PM
I know people in the private sector that make at least that much.  Proves nothing.  I thought you had something specific to show.  It's interesting to me.  I'm torn due to my status.  I think I'm fair in my assessments but it's difficult to actually get a handle on it.  I'm sure some public workers make too much but some don't make enough.  I think it's all in how you see things.  I know many people where I work drive up in some pretty nice cars.  I also think we've been pitted against one another in many ways.  Our society gets caught up in materialistic things while ignoring the important things in life that should be valued the most.

I cited the US Bureau of Economic Analysis with providing a link. Did you scroll down to the graph and read it and page 90? What specific do you want to see? I suggested you google this subject also. It is a fact and there are numerous articles concerning this fact.

You think you are fair in your assessment, but you are a government employee. How can you be so sure you are fair in your assessment? I think you are more fair than most who walk in your government employee shoes, but this subject is smething that you can easily google and learn. You actually do not need me to prove this case. It has already been proven. Simply take an hour of your time and learn about it.

I agree that we are fixated on material things in life instead of many of the more important things in life. However, owning a new car or having a fine one is not a big deal. Also, I have friends who are government employees. I am ok with them making their livings working for Uncle Sam. The pitting isnt what it appears. I harbor no resentment. I simply think the government has been growing and it has got to change. We, the taxpayers, cant afford to continue to sustain this path we are on presently.