I guess it's safe to say that Trump is about to move in the Right direction, with or without Mexico's participation.

Mexico Massacre New Ammo for U.S. to Designate Cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations

The massacre of nine Americans by a Mexican drug cartel this week creates yet another excellent opportunity for the U.S. government to finally designate the sophisticated criminal operations as Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO). Judicial Watch has long advocated for this and earlier this year published a White Paper providing comprehensive documentation that Mexican drug cartels undoubtedly meet the U.S. government's requirements to be designated as FTOs.

To meet the criteria for FTO designation requires that organizations be foreign, engage in terrorism or terrorist activity or possess the capability and intent to do so and pose a threat to U.S. nationals or U.S. national security. Mexican drug cartels are inherently foreign, routinely commit criminal acts within the statutory definition of terrorism and arguably represent a more immediate and ongoing threat to U.S. national security than any of the currently-designated FTOs on the State Department list. On Monday one of the illicit Mexican enterprises ambushed and murdered six children—including 8-month-old twins—and three women on a highway in the Mexican border state of Sonora. Other children, including an infant and toddler, survived with some seriously wounded.

Mexico has not identified the cartel responsible for the horrific attack, but reports indicate it was a calculated and well-planned operation typical of an organized criminal enterprise. The victims received no help from Mexican authorities, according to one of the family members quoted in the country's largest newspaper. Julian LeBaron said that fellow family members responded to the crime scene because officials in Chihuahua and Sonora refused to help. He said he wasn't sure if it was out of fear, or because they were cowards or in cahoots with the delinquents. In a smaller, Sonoran newspaper article, LeBaron revealed that a young girl, a cousin of his, who survived the ambush walked 14 kilometers with a gunshot wound. The outrageous anecdotes indicate Mexico can't be relied upon to combat the cartels and the U.S. must act.

Properly designating the major Mexican Transitional Criminal Organizations (TCOs)—including Los Zetas, Juárez and Sinaloa cartels—as FTOs would enhance the federal government's ability to combat them. An official FTO designation would enable the prosecution of those who provide material support to them, facilitate the denial of entry and deportation of TCO members and affiliates and eliminate the organizations' access to the U.S. financial system. "FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means of curtailing support for terrorist activities and pressuring groups to get out of the terrorism business," according to the State Department. For years Mexican cartels have hijacked and sabotaged buses, commercial trucks and trains, activity constituting terrorist activity under U.S. law. Judicial Watch's White Paper lists specific cases, including gasoline tankers and more than a dozen robberies daily of Ferromex trains, one of the three largest rail transport operators in the country.

Mexican TCOs have also committed hundreds of political assassinations in recent years and members of Los Zetas launched a grenade and shot small arms fire at the U.S. Consulate in Monterrey. Los Zetas members also murdered Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Jaime Zapata a few years ago. Judicial Watch's White Paper also documents Mexican cartels' use of explosive devices and high-caliber firearms, including rocket-propelled grenades and other military weapons. In 2018 Mexican officials seized nearly 2,000 high-caliber weapons from suspected cartel associates in Mexico City and there have been approximately 150,000 organized-crime related murders in Mexico since 2006. Last year alone, there were nearly 1,200 kidnappings in Mexico, according to official figures provided in the White Paper.

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https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/mexico-massacre-new-ammo-for-u-s-to-designate-cartels-as-foreign-terrorist-organizations/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191113163028

drone strikes?  (with or without the permission of the corrupt Mexican government?)

Then we have a great deal of Americans that are guilty of supporting these new foreign terrorists.
I have a problem because I cannot classify these Americans as innocent victims. In reality I do not even believe these people blaming the opiate problems on pain killers gone wild. To often I learn later that the kid that overdoes never had a back injury but no one wanted to admit he/she was just weak.

Americans are not asking for Terrorism.
Americans are begging for illegal drugs.

Those people didn't deserve what they got especially the kids but I don't feel sorry for them either. They didn't have to be there and obviously they shouldn't have been.

The nexus between the Cartels and the corruption of the Mexican government, police and military has been established for decades.  Whether this new President is also corrupt or simply unable to deal with the Cartel's hold on his country, any state which gives aid and comfort to our enemies ought to get the Afghanistan treatment.  What are they going to do; complain to the UN?

Quote from: wally on November 13, 2019, 12:24:28 PM
drone strikes?  (with or without the permission of the corrupt Mexican government?)

Did we ask Panama for permission to send our military in to get Noriega?  Noriega and his criminal drug empire had become the defacto leader of Panama.  Mexico's very similar.

Quote from: wally on November 13, 2019, 01:03:28 PM
Did we ask Panama for permission to send our military in to get Noriega?  Noriega and his criminal drug empire had become the defacto leader of Panama.  Mexico's very similar.

If I remember correctly, it was the Mexican military that fired shots at our border agents from across the border. So yeah, there is precedent.

Ultimately the people of Panama thanked us for doing the right thing.  President Reagan probably didn't know how it would eventually play out, but he didn't hesitate to do the right thing.

Quote from: wally on November 13, 2019, 01:46:55 PM
Ultimately the people of Panama thanked us for doing the right thing.  President Reagan probably didn't know how it would eventually play out, but he didn't hesitate to do the right thing.

And remember what the Marxist Dims did?

Its about time, the war between the cartels have racked up around a 200K body count over the last ten years via such exotic methods as chain sawing a live victim to death, hanging from a bridge and gutting them letting the  entrails dangle and burning to death while alive.

What I want to see is an investigation into the money trail and learn how may of our fine Govt officials and elected scumbags are getting "campaign funds" in their offshore bank accounts from which cartel to keep the border open.

The Mexican drug cartels exist because of Americans that buy their products.
We call them weak, give them sympathy and now we release them from jails so they can continue to support the cartels.

If you really believe in personal responsibility then it starts with the kids and some adults in the USA. The problem is in the illegal demand. This reminds me of the argument of it the gun and gun manufacturer or the murderer thar is the problem. It is the murderer and the drug user that is the problem. Even if the cartels were sending in guns instead of drugs it would still be the muderer's fault no matter how he got the gun. If the illegal gun blew up in his hand it would still be his fault for not going to a trusted source.

The only thing the US states care about now is if they can tax it.

Quote from: wally on November 13, 2019, 12:49:38 PM
The nexus between the Cartels and the corruption of the Mexican government, police and military has been established for decades.  Whether this new President is also corrupt or simply unable to deal with the Cartel's hold on his country, any state which gives aid and comfort to our enemies ought to get the Afghanistan treatment.  What are they going to do; complain to the UN?

I think you make a good point here Wally. The connections between them run so deep now, they are essentially intertwined. Just look at the way the current president is 'fighting' them, and essentially denying Trumps assistance on then, which if he had accepted would have more then likely eradicated the threat or at least sent the cartels running. But it will take tow fights to beat them. The actual front line fight with them, but additionally the cutting off of their funding and demand here at home.

Quote from: wally on November 13, 2019, 12:49:38 PM
The nexus between the Cartels and the corruption of the Mexican government, police and military has been established for decades.  Whether this new President is also corrupt or simply unable to deal with the Cartel's hold on his country, any state which gives aid and comfort to our enemies ought to get the Afghanistan treatment.  What are they going to do; complain to the UN?

I think the surest way to prove that the new president is also corrupt is the fact that he is still alive. By turning down Trumps offer he is showing he wants to stay that way. If the U.S. is going to help Mexico, it will have to be under the table and hit hard.

Remember this?   ..." The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan 'back to the stone age' ... if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it ... Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, said the threat was" ...   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/22/pakistan.usa
BTW, unlike Mexico, Pakistan is a nuclear power....

Afghanistan was a failed state and the Pakisani Intelligence created the Taliban to rule over the various tribal Leaders.  Pakistan called the shots!  We knew it all along.  In Mexico, the Cartels call the shots.