Quote from: kramarat on July 18, 2012, 10:30:05 AM
It's interesting to note that the peace treaty was brokered by Carter in 1979. It amounted to nothing more than the US, shoveling money to Egypt, to the tune of billions of dollars, in supposed aid money. It was extortion then, and it's extortion now.

Now that the US is broke, and we can no longer afford to pay off the bad guys, my suggestion would be to cut off the money, and dare them to misbehave. If they do.......................we would be forced to launch targeted strikes against them.

So. what does the Muslim Brotherhood (read Egyptian government) believe is going to happen to them when they no longer have those American dollars to had out to their supporters?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 18, 2012, 11:00:38 AM
So. what does the Muslim Brotherhood (read Egyptian government) believe is going to happen to them when they no longer have those American dollars to had out to their supporters?

I don't know what they believe, but I believe we would be would be replacing our dollars with targeted air strikes.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/new-pew-center-poll-highlights-growing-egyptian-revulsion-at-peace-treaty-with-israel.html

Just another Obama success story.

Quote from: kramarat on July 18, 2012, 12:06:37 PM
I don't know what they believe, but I believe we would be would be replacing our dollars with targeted air strikes.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/new-pew-center-poll-highlights-growing-egyptian-revulsion-at-peace-treaty-with-israel.html

Just another Obama success story.

They've been at peace too long, they've forgotten how often the Israelis used to kick their collective asses. Although I would guess that the one's with the bad memories would be the young Muslim Brotherhood supporters in the streets, not the Egyptian military.

EDIT: Just glanced at Fox News. The administration is worried that Assad in Syria may use the chemical weapons he hide for Saddam Hussein as a last ditch weapon, or they may eventually fall into the wrong hands.
You know - the chemical weapons the Libtards have been telling us for years never existed

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 10:18:34 AM



Just because someone attacks us doesn't mean we should bomb their civilians.

After the attack of 9/11/2001, the muslims fully deserved a nuke on Mecca and Medina during the Haaj. They didn't get it, but if we are EVER attacked again in that fashion, we should not hesitate to help them go meet their false god and falser prophet.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:22:12 PM

And that^ is probably correct, but We would lose honorably.

There is no honor whatsoever in failing to do your utmost to defeat your enemy.

Surrender now and avoid the rush, kid.

Quote from: quiller on July 18, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
There is no honor whatsoever in failing to do your utmost to defeat your enemy.

Surrender now and avoid the rush, kid.

Fish, are you French?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 18, 2012, 01:00:39 PM
Fish, are you French?

Maybe a gay, French, pacifist?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 18, 2012, 01:00:39 PM
Fish, are you French?

In that event, Obama can hire him to plant straight rows of trees, to give advancing armies the shade they need for their victory march. Or he can doublecross his own country with an American Vichy.

Ooops. That one's taken. The Dems are trademarking everything these days, don'tcha know....

Ah, me. The same vacuum-skulled kids without the slightest scintilla of ability to reason something through. They never experienced life under martial law, much less any nationwide rationing as our parents' generation had to do in WWII.

His sort watch the old war movies and simply don't get it how oppressive the Huns were to any nation they occupied. They forget the "comfort stations" run by the Japanese, using women literally enslaved as prostitutes to service enemy troops.

These pampered halfwits think there's nothing wrong in surrendering. They do not deserve the citizenship of this country. They are a disgrace as Americans and a disgrace as human beings.

Y'know, every time I see a photo of Mt. Rushmore, I wonder how difficult it would be to recarve Roosevelt's image into Reagan's. Teddy was no pussy, but he was damn sure a lib/prog.

Quote from: tbone0106 on July 18, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
Y'know, every time I see a photo of Mt. Rushmore, I wonder how difficult it would be to recarve Roosevelt's image into Reagan's. Teddy was no pussy, but he was damn sure a lib/prog.

Please don't give Obama any more ideas on what to do with stimulus money..................................he'll blast all of the faces off and replace them with his own.

Quote from: quiller on July 18, 2012, 01:22:02 PM
In that event, Obama can hire him to plant straight rows of trees, to give advancing armies the shade they need for their victory march. Or he can doublecross his own country with an American Vichy.

Ooops. That one's taken. The Dems are trademarking everything these days, don'tcha know....

Ah, me. The same vacuum-skulled kids without the slightest scintilla of ability to reason something through. They never experienced life under martial law, much less any nationwide rationing as our parents' generation had to do in WWII.

His sort watch the old war movies and simply don't get it how oppressive the Huns were to any nation they occupied. They forget the "comfort stations" run by the Japanese, using women literally enslaved as prostitutes to service enemy troops.

These pampered halfwits think there's nothing wrong in surrendering. They do not deserve the citizenship of this country. They are a disgrace as Americans and a disgrace as human beings.

Zactly, Quill...He also missed the "World at War" episodes covering the treatment of those soldiers who honorably surrendered to the Japanese at Singapore and Bataan.   Of course, the Japanese also murdered by bayonet and sword 300,000 innocent Chinese civilians during the Rape of Nanking...by comparison, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were humane.

Quote from: bluelieu on July 18, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
Zactly, Quill...He also missed the "World at War" episodes covering the treatment of those soldiers who honorably surrendered to the Japanese at Singapore and Bataan.   Of course, the Japanese also murdered by bayonet and sword 300,000 innocent Chinese civilians during the Rape of Nanking...by comparison, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were humane.

The rape of nanking was just one of many atrocities Japanese troops actually ate an entire village in the Philippines....there are living survivors to this. They also burned alive American POWS on some island.


What does anyone think would happen to American servicemen (or civilians) who would surrender to Jihadi's?


Billyt

Quote from: kramarat on July 18, 2012, 01:13:01 PM
Maybe a gay, French, pacifist?

No, no, and no.  Here's who I am.



I'm a man that believes who one loves , be it heterosexual, or homosexual, is ok , as long as it's consensual. I also believe soldiers in war should be aiming at armed combatants, not dropping atomic bombs on Cities filled with women and children.

One person doing something horrible and than another doing the same, doesn't equal good.   

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2012, 07:35:28 AM
Yeah, I know, but I was hoping to hear a lib articulate their reasons, for or against.
If it's for, they are either voting on emotion, or they simply hate the country, there can be no other explanation.

Liberals always vote on emotional response. they feel good when they think they do good. Too many have deep seated self confidence issues and emote constantly.

Hence "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder"

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 18, 2012, 11:47:14 PM

No, no, and no.  Here's who I am.



I'm a man that believes who one loves , be it heterosexual, or homosexual, is ok , as long as it's consensual. I also believe soldiers in war should be aiming at armed combatants, not dropping atomic bombs on Cities filled with women and children.

One person doing something horrible and than another doing the same, doesn't equal good.   

I don't have a problem with gays. I thought don't ask don't tell was fine.
Open gays in the military? Sure. as long as their words, actions, or mere presence, never, (under any circumstances), undermines the morale or combat readiness of whatever unit they are attached to, nor any single member of the team.

We both know that there are too many people that are uncomfortable with homosexuality, (much less, sharing close quarters with them), for that to be possible. The skin color analogy doesn't cut it.

One person doing something horrible and than another doing the same, doesn't equal good.

I don't believe anyone here stated that killing women and children, is good.

The problem with entering conversations, with emotional blinders on, is that you are also blinded to reality.

The reality is, that the decision to drop the bombs turned out to be a good one.

Not only did it end the war, but the entire world now knew the destructive capability of these weapons. They haven't been used since.

After the dropping of those bombs, most of the planet also entered an extended period of peace and prosperity................this would include, not only the US, but Japan and Germany as well. In hindsight, I don't believe either one of those countries have any hard feelings, as to how things went down. No apologies necessary.

The women were working in the factories, and the factories were in the cities...................they were legitimate targets.

The children? Stop and think about it for a second. Wars are fought by children. Our ground troops that were getting slaughtered in the field, were not hardened warriors......................they were primarily kids just out of high school.

The bottom line.......................when taken out of historical context, the dropping of the bombs sounds horrible. We were fighting a relentless enemy, that was more than happy to have their civilians commit suicide in an effort to further the war effort. The dropping of the bombs, not only ended the war, it enabled tens of millions of Japanese people to live and work as free people, forever living without the shroud of tyranny that previous generations had.......................it continues to this day. America made it possible.