Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 05:22:12 PM

And that^ is probably correct, but We would lose honorably.

Are you fuckin serious?

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 06:32:51 PM

Are you fuckin serious?

Yes. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 06:31:11 PM

Quick quiz-- How many countries have attacked people with an atomic bomb?   Is it's use on cities occupied by civilians a good thing?



Bonus question


Who else would've been for using the atomic bomb on civilian occupied cities, that is an enemy of the USA, and was recently captured, and killed?

Wrong answer.

Actually, that was not an answer at all.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 06:31:11 PM

Quick quiz-- How many countries have attacked people with an atomic bomb?   Is it's use on cities occupied by civilians a good thing?



Bonus question


Who else would've been for using the atomic bomb on civilian occupied cities, that is an enemy of the USA, and was recently captured, and killed?

Oh man, you don't think Japan or Nazi Germany wouldn't have used it ha they had it?
Might I remind you, or should I educate you to the fact that it was Germany working on the bomb, had it not been for Albert Einstein defecting, we most likely have suffered the same fate as Japan.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
Oh man, you don't think Japan or Nazi Germany wouldn't have used it ha they had it?

Yes, they probably would have. Does that mean we should be just as bad as them?

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 17, 2012, 06:34:45 PM

Yes. 

So if a 7 year old kid tries to shoot you, you'll do the honorable thing, and die?

Please answer my original question, Fish. How many atomic bombs had been detonated before August 6, 1945?

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
Oh man, you don't think Japan or Nazi Germany wouldn't have used it ha they had it?
Might I remind you, or should I educate you to the fact that it was Germany working on the bomb, had it not been for Robert Oppenheimer defecting, we most likely have suffered the same fate as Japan.

Well that, and the German's racial policies which had the effect of driving many of the great scientists - who happened to be Jews - out of Europe. And then there was the advantage of American industry. For example, the US wasn't sure of the best way to separate the radioactive isotope of Uranium out. There were three methods of separating out the isotopes, being unsure of which was the best, the US simply used all three and also used breeder reactors to make Plutonium. The Japanese simply didn't have that level of resources although there are rumors that they built and tested a device. The Germans had the resources, but their program was held back by the usual diffusion of effort common to so much of the Nazi regime.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
So if a 7 year old kid tries to shoot you, you'll do the honorable thing, and die?

In combat that^ kid is an armed combatant. Sadly.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 17, 2012, 06:52:57 PM
Well that, and the German's racial policies which had the effect of driving many of the great scientists - who happened to be Jews - out of Europe. And then there was the advantage of American industry. For example, the US wasn't sure of the best way to separate the radioactive isotope of Uranium out. There were three methods of separating out the isotopes, being unsure of which was the best, the US simply used all three and also used breeder reactors to make Plutonium. The Japanese simply didn't have that level of resources although there are rumors that they built and tested a device. The Germans had the resources, but their program was held back by the usual diffusion of effort common to so much of the Nazi regime.

Yep, the Germans were actually ahead of us for a while, but they got stuck on the heavy water theory -- their primary reason for invading Norway -- and just never got past it. They were always more of a nuclear threat than the Japanese, because they had the machining expertise and technology that assembling a nuclear weapon requires. The Japanese were very good at building cheap, light fighter planes and tanks, but they had not yet achieved that mastery of machining.

Tell me....................how would you envision the world if Obama was president during WWII? Better?

I was pondering this question as I was drifting off to sleep last night, and I didn't like what I was coming up with.

I couldn't help but wonder if we would have joined the Axis powers, and helped to secure some type of global fascism/communism.

Quote from: kramarat on July 18, 2012, 03:52:38 AM
Tell me....................how would you envision the world if Obama was president during WWII? Better?

I was pondering this question as I was drifting off to sleep last night, and I didn't like what I was coming up with.

I couldn't help but wonder if we would have joined the Axis powers, and helped to secure some type of global fascism/communism.

Good question.
Not only would he have let Britain fall, he'd have ceded the Pacific to the Japanese.
I'd hate to think what language we'd be speaking today.
Neville Chamberlain would have praised the likes of hussein. 

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2012, 05:45:58 AM
Good question.
Not only would he have let Britain fall, he'd have ceded the Pacific to the Japanese.
I'd hate to think what language we'd be speaking today.
Neville Chamberlain would have praised the likes of hussein.

I hope Obama isn't in power when WWIII breaks out in the middle east.

People like fish, that believe that coddling the enemy, or backing off and letting them do what they want, are hopelessly confused. I can't come up with one instance in history, where losing an armed conflict with an aggressor was considered honorable.

As Obama abandons Israel, and continues free aid money to an increasingly hostile Egypt, he has shown us the the tactic of weakness doesn't work. Even with our money, they treated Hillary like shit last week. They just don't get it..................we can't pay bad people to be nice.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/14/muslim-brotherhood-youd-best-keep-the-aid-money-coming-if-you-want-that-treaty-with-israel-intact/

There's a word for what that article describes.....................it's called extortion. Every time Obama caves to it, we lose credibility around the globe.

Quote from: kramarat on July 18, 2012, 06:45:00 AM
I hope Obama isn't in power when WWIII breaks out in the middle east.

People like fish, that believe that coddling the enemy, or backing off and letting them do what they want, are hopelessly confused. I can't come up with one instance in history, where losing an armed conflict with an aggressor was considered honorable.

As Obama abandons Israel, and continues free aid money to an increasingly hostile Egypt, he has shown us the the tactic of weakness doesn't work. Even with our money, they treated Hillary like shit last week. They just don't get it..................we can't pay bad people to be nice.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/14/muslim-brotherhood-youd-best-keep-the-aid-money-coming-if-you-want-that-treaty-with-israel-intact/

There's a word for what that article describes.....................it's called extortion. Every time Obama caves to it, we lose credibility around the globe.

The answer to which is: "STFU, how long do you think you'll last if we don't keep the aid money coming, and instead send it to Israel"?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 18, 2012, 08:56:49 AM
The answer to which is: "STFU, how long do you think you'll last if we don't keep the aid money coming, and instead send it to Israel"?

It's interesting to note that the peace treaty was brokered by Carter in 1979. It amounted to nothing more than the US, shoveling money to Egypt, to the tune of billions of dollars, in supposed aid money. It was extortion then, and it's extortion now.

Now that the US is broke, and we can no longer afford to pay off the bad guys, my suggestion would be to cut off the money, and dare them to misbehave. If they do.......................we would be forced to launch targeted strikes against them.