Colorado Baker Sued for Refusing Gender Transition Cake

[supsalemgr]

This situation along with the conservative group in VA being denied service takes me back to around 1960.

Lester Maddox owned the Pickrick Restaurant in the ATL that was not integrated. The SCOTUS ruled the business was involved in interstate commerce and could not discriminate. The bottom line is if a business is open to the public it can not choose its customers.

[T Hunt]

Here we go. Now a woman finding another woman sexually attractive is dangerously insane? Lol!!!

      you think its safe! LOL WOW! and without evidence too

Sorry dear, but the science is in, the very act of homosexuality is dangerous, thats why AIDS was always a gay thing 

But I love how you think the science doesnt matter here only your feelings

Well  I was married and had a family BEFORE gay marriage was made legal at state or federal level. I'm still married and still have a family AFTER, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you could use some mental health evaluation!

    imagine thinking one family represents the national collapse of marriage       
Sorry dear, but marriage is way down thus proving my point. Do try again tho.

Is it a right? I don't know but,  again, as long as the state is in the marriage business it absolutely is illegal for them to discriminate.

Ok so you admit its not a right, cool. So there is no problem saying the marriage is what it always has been, one man and one woman.

Remember, its not discrimination to take action against mental disorders.
There is no law protecting the mentally ill from being treated as mentally ill.
There is no right to be mentally ill.

That sounds creepy, so I'd say no. The government should also not be able to tell consenting adults that they can't have sex, right?

No one ever said they did, this is about gay marriage not having the mental disorder in the first place. It would be very stupid to try to make having a mental illness in the first place illegal.

However its not illegal to force those with mental illness who are a danger to themselves and others to seek treatment, we do it all the time with rapists or kleptomaniacs.

The homosexual agenda, in this conversation, is to not be discriminated against by the state. It's odd that you'd be ok with that, btw

    imgaine thinking a having mental illness was protected     

Im sorry but there is no law protecting the mental illness of homosexuality from being treated as such. Nothing says the mentally ill and normals have to be treated exactly the same under the law. Perhaps you could show us a law that says mental disorders cannot be treated as such.....go ahead....

Nice try. Again, when the state wants to get completely out of the marriage business, I'll have no issue. To imagine that it's ok for the state to say "These two consenting adults CAN be recognized by the state, but THESE two consenting adults can't." is about as discriminatory as you can get.

But what does the state being involved in marriage have to do with anything? The state has always treated the mentally ill differently, there is nothing in the constitution that says otherwise.

Besides the science says gays harm themselves, and kids raised by gays have as many problems as children raised by single parents, not two parents.

Im sorry but if you cant prove that being gay is harmless to themselves or children you will never get the legal victories you need. That is why the left is losing so badly on this issue.

My "straw man": I want all consenting adults to have their relationship recognized by the state because it's wrong, and illegal  for the state to discriminate.

But how is treating mental illness as mental illness discrimination? Is is discrimination to force a kleptomaniac into treatment? No its not, never has been. Thank God we live in a free christian nation.

Sorry but the law is clear, you cant discriminate on sex but it says nothing about treating people with mental disorders differently than normals. Its hilarious that you think the law does that.      

Like you actually want to live in a nation where freaks get to be treated as normal LOL thank God you guys are losing so badly and normal people are prevailing.    

[T Hunt]

This situation along with the conservative group in VA being denied service takes me back to around 1960.

Lester Maddox owned the Pickrick Restaurant in the ATL that was not integrated. The SCOTUS ruled the business was involved in interstate commerce and could not discriminate. The bottom line is if a business is open to the public it can not choose its customers.

See thats not constitutional. There is nothing in the constitution about businesses not being free to do what they want.

Besides if there are racist businesses they shld be allowed to be such so everyone can see and avoid them. The market will handle all this, no need for the govt to do it.

[Sick Of Silence]

Here we go. Now a woman finding another woman sexually attractive is dangerously insane?[\b] Lol!!!



Yes.

Well  I was married and had a family BEFORE gay marriage was made legal at state or federal level. I'm still married and still have a family AFTER, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you could use some mental health evaluation!

Is it a right? I don't know but,  again, as long as the state is in the marriage business it absolutely is illegal for them to discriminate.

 That sounds creepy, so I'd say no. The government should also not be able to tell consenting adults that they can't have sex, right?

 The homosexual agenda, in this conversation, is to not be discriminated against by the state. It's odd that you'd be ok with that, btw

Nice try. Again, when the state wants to get completely out of the marriage business, I'll have no issue. To imagine that it's ok for the state to say "These two consenting adults CAN be recognized by the state, but THESE two consenting adults can't." is about as discriminatory as you can get.


My "straw man": I want all consenting adults I

Here we go. Now a woman finding another woman sexually attractive is dangerously insane? Lol!!!



Yes.

Well  I was married and had a family BEFORE gay marriage was made legal at state or federal level. I'm still married and still have a family AFTER, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe you could use some mental health evaluation!

Is it a right? I don't know but,  again, as long as the state is in the marriage business it absolutely is illegal for them to discriminate.

 That sounds creepy, so I'd say no. The government should also not be able to tell consenting adults that they can't have sex, right?

 The homosexual agenda, in this conversation, is to not be discriminated against by the state. It's odd that you'd be ok with that, btw

Nice try. Again, when the state wants to get completely out of the marriage business, I'll have no issue. To imagine that it's ok for the state to say "These two consenting adults CAN be recognized by the state, but THESE two consenting adults can't." is about as discriminatory as you can get.


My "straw man": I want all consenting adults to have their relationship recognized by the state because it's wrong, and illegal  for the state to discriminate.

to have their relationship recognized by the state because it's wrong, and illegal  for the state to discriminate.

When those two women are radical feminists who push their leftist ideology onto any kid (students they teach, children they adopted, content they create, etc.) then they are dangerous because they are insane.

[T Hunt]

to have their relationship recognized by the state because it's wrong, and illegal  for the state to discriminate.


When those two women are radical feminists who push their leftist ideology onto any kid (students they teach, children they adopted, content they create, etc.) then they are dangerous because they are insane.

He fails to recognize how leftism is an ideology of insanity.



https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/06/27/leftism-and-mental-illness/

https://notthebee.com/article/pew-study-indicates-leftism-is-literally-a-mental-illness-

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/march-study-points-to-pervasive-mental-illness-among-white-american-liberals/

[ZenMode]

      you think its safe! LOL WOW! and without evidence too

Sorry dear, but the science is in, the very act of homosexuality is dangerous, thats why AIDS was always a gay thing 

But I love how you think the science doesnt matter here only your feelings
     imagine thinking one family represents the national collapse of marriage       
Sorry dear, but marriage is way down thus proving my point. Do try again tho.
Ok so you admit its not a right, cool. So there is no problem saying the marriage is what it always has been, one man and one woman.

Remember, its not discrimination to take action against mental disorders.
There is no law protecting the mentally ill from being treated as mentally ill.
There is no right to be mentally ill.
No one ever said they did, this is about gay marriage not having the mental disorder in the first place. It would be very stupid to try to make having a mental illness in the first place illegal.

However its not illegal to force those with mental illness who are a danger to themselves and others to seek treatment, we do it all the time with rapists or kleptomaniacs.
     imgaine thinking a having mental illness was protected     

Im sorry but there is no law protecting the mental illness of homosexuality from being treated as such. Nothing says the mentally ill and normals have to be treated exactly the same under the law. Perhaps you could show us a law that says mental disorders cannot be treated as such.....go ahead....
But what does the state being involved in marriage have to do with anything? The state has always treated the mentally ill differently, there is nothing in the constitution that says otherwise.

Besides the science says gays harm themselves, and kids raised by gays have as many problems as children raised by single parents, not two parents.

Im sorry but if you cant prove that being gay is harmless to themselves or children you will never get the legal victories you need. That is why the left is losing so badly on this issue.


But how is treating mental illness as mental illness discrimination? Is is discrimination to force a kleptomaniac into treatment? No its not, never has been. Thank God we live in a free christian nation.

Sorry but the law is clear, you cant discriminate on sex but it says nothing about treating people with mental disorders differently than normals. Its hilarious that you think the law does that.      

Like you actually want to live in a nation where freaks get to be treated as normal LOL thank God you guys are losing so badly and normal people are prevailing.    

Summarizing your position, we are going to  allow the government to deny marriage to anyone who can transmit or receive a sexually transmitted disease, anyone that has a mental disorder, which would include PTSD, anxiety disorder and depression, to name a few.

It's safe to say that your cheese has officially slid off your cracker.

[T Hunt]

Summarizing your position, we are going to  allow the government to deny marriage to anyone who can transmit or receive a sexually transmitted disease, anyone that has a mental disorder, which would include PTSD, anxiety disorder and depression, to name a few.

    Why would we deny them getting married to someone of the opposite sex?
No one is trying to deny gays the right to get married....to the opposite sex just like everyone else.
Gay marriage isnt really marriage since you need both genders to call it a marriage in the first place.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that marriage is just two people living together and having sex.   

    by your logic I could me and my college roommate living together was a marriage.     

See you are trying to use govt to create something that isnt real and then to try to force everyone to accept the delusion. Thats one reason why its so dangerous.

It's safe to say that your cheese has officially slid off your cracker.

There it is! When libs dont have facts they use ad hominems. 

[Possum]

Why?  Because "do your job".  If you make cakes and have the ability to design the cake as requested, then why not do it?  Leave your feelings and politics at home and do your job.  If I'm a chef, I may find a well-done steak to be blasphemous. Does that mean I don't make a steak well-done if a customer requests it?  Of course not.  My job is my job and I do it to the best of my ability.

This is a work day.  Not "bring your problems to work" day. 

You missed the main part, this has nothing about your feelings, the SCOTUS has ruled. You lost.

[ZenMode]

    Why would we deny them getting married to someone of the opposite sex?
No one is trying to deny gays the right to get married....to the opposite sex just like everyone else.
Gay marriage isnt really marriage since you need both genders to call it a marriage in the first place.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that marriage is just two people living together and having sex.   

    by your logic I could me and my college roommate living together was a marriage.     

See you are trying to use govt to create something that isnt real and then to try to force everyone to accept the delusion. Thats one reason why its so dangerous.
There it is! When libs dont have facts they use ad hominems. 

Your criteria, not mine, was STDs and people with mental disorders not being allowed to get married. 

Here's what we should expect, as far as equality as it pertains to marriage is concerned, if you and Solar ran the country:

You can't get married if you've gone through menopause

You can't get married if you've had a vasectomy

You can't get married if you simply don't want to have kids

You can't get married if you can transmit or aquire an STD

You can't get married if you're a military veteran with PTSD

You can't get married if you have really bad social anxiety

You can't get married if you have a need to obsessively wash your hands

America!!! 

[Possum]

Your criteria, not mine, was STDs and people with mental disorders not being allowed to get married. 

Here's what we should expect, as far as equality as it pertains to marriage is concerned, if you and Solar ran the country:

You can't get married if you've gone through menopause

You can't get married if you've had a vasectomy

You can't get married if you simply don't want to have kids

You can't get married if you can transmit or aquire an STD

You can't get married if you're a military veteran with PTSD

You can't get married if you have really bad social anxiety

You can't get married if you have a need to obsessively wash your hands

Feelings, wo wo wo feelings, wo wo wo feelings


Now show everyone where they said that, or retract.

[ZenMode]

Feelings, wo wo wo feelings, wo wo wo feelings


Now show everyone where they said that, or retract.

Yah, no. It's right there. Solar called out Procreation as a requirement and T Hunt called out mental health as a requirement and, oddly,  STDs or a lack thereof.

[Possum]

Yah, no. It's right there. Solar called out Procreation as a requirement and T Hunt called out mental health as a requirement and, oddly,  STDs or a lack thereof.

I don't see it. Show where they said that.

[ZenMode]

Feelings, wo wo wo feelings, wo wo wo feelings


Now show everyone where they said that, or retract.

My mistake.  The procreation was in another thread about the same topic:

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/2020-election-audit/just-as-expected/msg499519/#msg499519

T Hunt's comment is  # 28 on the previous page and 31 on this page.

[Solar]

Yah, no. It's right there. Solar called out Procreation as a requirement and T Hunt called out mental health as a requirement and, oddly,  STDs or a lack thereof.

I also clearly stated, this is a First Amendment issue and the Govt has no right to dictate any part concerning a religious ceremony!

Do you hate our Constitution and Bill of Rights so much, that you're willing to let govt trample our them?

[T Hunt]

Your criteria, not mine, was STDs and people with mental disorders not being allowed to get married. 

No it wasnt. That was just one reason. Gay marriage not being allowed is done so for ALOT of reasons. There are ALOT of bad things about it, not just that its a mental disorder.

Here's what we should expect, as far as equality as it pertains to marriage is concerned, if you and Solar ran the country:

You can't get married if you've gone through menopause

You can't get married if you've had a vasectomy

You can't get married if you simply don't want to have kids

You can't get married if you can transmit or aquire an STD

You can't get married if you're a military veteran with PTSD

You can't get married if you have really bad social anxiety

You can't get married if you have a need to obsessively wash your hands

When did we say any of that? You keep acting like there is one standard that we are using to say it shouldnt be allowed. Lets look at the long long list of why gay marriage is bad, shall we?

1) Being homosexual is a scientifically proven mental illness. The DCMI proves this.

2) Homosexuality is very dangerous to the homo himself. AIDs and other STDs proves this. This is also why we discourage sex outside of marriage.

3) Practicing homosexuality makes the mental illness worse and can cause others to arise. This is true of any mental disorder and the mental side effects of free sex is another reason we discourage sex outside of marriage of any kind.

4) Homosexuality is dangerous to kids. It is a proven fact that the nuclear family is superior to all other forms with anything less causing alot of mental issues for the kids in the long run and is to be avoided. Science has shown that two gay parents has the same effect on child rearing as one parent. This is also why we discourage single parent families.

5) Historically gay marriage has always been shunned and for good reason. So the onus is on the left to prove what good reason we have to change tradition.

6) Sexual deviancy is a well known tactic of communists and we know that the left pushes it as a way to attack the family unit. This is all historically documented so we dont buy into ideas that our enemy is using to harm us.

7) Allowing homosexual marriage degrades normal marriage to the status of simply being a contract for sex. Thus all marriages are harmed by the existence of gay marriage.

8) Gays tend to be suicidal, just like trans. Suicidal people tend to be a danger to themselves and others.

9) Lastly there is no reason to stay gay. There are plenty of successful treatment options and plenty of success stories from former gays, so why stay gay and unhappy/unhealthy when you can get fixed to be normal again? There is no reason to have this problem in the first place.

10) Gays as a group are far too connected to pedophilia. If someone is suffering from the mental illness of gay then they likely will fall to pedophilia soon too, its a slippery slope. We have proof of this by how much the dems are defending groomers these days.

11) Im sure there is something else im forgetting, there is just so much reason why we will never allow gay marriage to become normal in America. And now that the right is gaining power any little bill passed now by an impotent congress will be swiftly reversed. Nothing can save the LGBT agenda.


So as you can see only a fool would support gay marriage and there is nothing in our constitution to support it, and there is no law saying we cant treat mental illness as such. Also you can see that using these standards we are safe from accidentally throwing things like all mental illness or anyone who is infertile into the group. Just the homos and other sexual deviants like trannies fall into this specific category of mental illness.