Barbara Boxer Politically Dead

[Pagan]

Business Community's "opinion" on Fiorina -

Can Fiorina trump competition for 'worst tech CEO' title?
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/maney/2005-02-15-maney_x.htm

In other words, her employees, her shareholders, industry analysts and her own board of directors repudiated Carly Fiorina's leadership of Hewlett-Packard. There is a clinical term for people who believe in such elaborate conspiracies against their own person. Meanwhile, the truth is that, for all of her post facto justifications, Carly Fiorina was a failure at Hewlett-Packard.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/IndustryInfo/story?id=2546914&page=3

Yep, trashing HP during her regime is an asset eh?  HP canned her for incompetence and have been recouping from the mess and restoring the quality and name of HP after canning her.


28,000 – The number of HP workers laid off under Carly Fiorina's tenure.
50% – The decline in HP's stock value during Fiorina's 5 ½ years on the job.
8 – The number of times Fiorina missed profit expectations in her 21 financial quarters at HP; this was more than double the combined misses of IBM and Dell during the same period.
$42 million – Value of severance package that HP gave Fiorina in order to get rid of her.

[Solar]

She was fired specifically for Incompetence and is listed as one of the WORST CEO's in American history.  This is from the Business community there Slick.  You know if you could just put in a minimal amount off effort instead of Parroting what you're told it's right there in your face.

OK, without using an opinion piece, back that claim up.

I lived near the Sacramento head quarters and know many of the employees personally, around 100 of them belonged to a health club I owned at the time, they shared their stories with me, so I do have some insight as to what went on at HP.

[taxed]

Business Community's "opinion" on Fiorina -

Can Fiorina trump competition for 'worst tech CEO' title?
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/maney/2005-02-15-maney_x.htm

In other words, her employees, her shareholders, industry analysts and her own board of directors repudiated Carly Fiorina's leadership of Hewlett-Packard. There is a clinical term for people who believe in such elaborate conspiracies against their own person. Meanwhile, the truth is that, for all of her post facto justifications, Carly Fiorina was a failure at Hewlett-Packard.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/IndustryInfo/story?id=2546914&page=3

Yep, trashing HP during her regime is an asset eh?  HP canned her for incompetence and have been recouping from the mess and restoring the quality and name of HP after canning her.


28,000 – The number of HP workers laid off under Carly Fiorina's tenure.
50% – The decline in HP's stock value during Fiorina's 5 ½ years on the job.
8 – The number of times Fiorina missed profit expectations in her 21 financial quarters at HP; this was more than double the combined misses of IBM and Dell during the same period.
$42 million – Value of severance package that HP gave Fiorina in order to get rid of her.

Pagan, to circle back, let me ask another way.  What did SHE do that made her a terrible CEO?  She wasn't solo on the Compaq deal, for instance.  How is she a bad CEO.

Also, I wasn't the biggest Carly fan.

[Pagan]

I've worked at the Professional level with HP for a couple of decades.  My "opinion" of her is not a minority, bottom line is summed up with my previous post -

28,000 – The number of HP workers laid off under Carly Fiorina's tenure.
50% – The decline in HP's stock value during Fiorina's 5 ½ years on the job.
8 – The number of times Fiorina missed profit expectations in her 21 financial quarters at HP; this was more than double the combined misses of IBM and Dell during the same period.
$42 million – Value of severance package that HP gave Fiorina in order to get rid of her.

She was arrogant, biased, played favorites made shitty decisions like buying Compaq.  She trashed a company that once had reputation of being one of the best, so the company fired her.

I've posted and backed up my opinion of her, so please tell me what makes her so a great "find"?

[Indy]

Carly is a Skank, she was fired from HP.  If that is all the GOP has, what a sad state of affairs

I'll tax her over that big headed, call me senator, Boxer. She's never seen a tax hike she didn't like. Why would you want this liberal elitist who is in large part responsible for the mess this state is in to keep her job?Sure just keep them all, and elect Brown the union plant. That will guarantee the bankruptcy of this state.She's a sponsor of the job killing prop 24 proposed by the teachers union, and backed by all the state unions. Such liars who use the phrase evil corporation to trick people into voting for this nonsense.http://www.dailynews.com/opinions/ci_16137945
Or the job killing massive tax hike of AB32. Hopefully we can stop this scam of a bill by voting yes on prop 23.

[Dan]

Come Dan, you labeled me a "Liberal" because I happen to know something about Fiorina.  Tell me Dan, what are my "Liberal" views, or you just going to edit the posts again there Slick?

Maybe you aren't a liberal. Maybe you're just a douche bag who gets off on insulting strange women online. If you're just a douche bag who enjoys insulting random people online then I apologize for calling you a liberal..... You freaking douche bag.

[Pagan]

I'll tax her over that big headed, call me senator, Boxer. She's never seen a tax hike she didn't like. Why would you want this liberal elitist who is in large part responsible for the mess this state is in to keep her job?Sure just keep them all, and elect Brown the union plant. That will guarantee the bankruptcy of this state.She's a sponsor of the job killing prop 24 proposed by the teachers union, and backed by all the state unions. Such liars who muse the phrase evil corporation to trick people into voting for this nonsense.http://www.dailynews.com/opinions/ci_16137945
Or the job killing massive tax hike of AB32. Hopefully we can stop this scam of a bill by voting yes on prop 23.

Read my post AGAIN

It was in no way in support of Boxer, it was a statement of the sad state of the GOP of not putting up a candidate worth a shit to defeat Boxer.

[Indy]

Pagan, to circle back, let me ask another way.  What did SHE do that made her a terrible CEO?  She wasn't solo on the Compaq deal, for instance.  How is she a bad CEO.

Also, I wasn't the biggest Carly fan.

Me either, but she's better than having that special interest hag in the senate.

[Pagan]

Maybe you aren't a liberal. Maybe you're just a douche bag who gets off on insulting strange women online. If you're just a douche bag who enjoys insulting random people online then I apologize for calling you a liberal..... You freaking douche bag.

Really?

You mean like --

Can you be more specific or is your position that anyone who has been fired is not suitable for public office...


Pagan is just being a snob. Unless you've been fired from Taco Bell like Pagan, then your experience just isn't valid.

FYI Pagan got fired for wearing his hair net in the wrong place.

Keep it up Slick ....

BTW -- Care to compare resumes Slick?

[Dan]

First, I asked why you weren't slamming the Obama even though none off their senior staff have ever had to make a payroll or ever built anything in the private sector. I didn't say you supported the man. I asked you why you had not criticized someone in a more powerful position than US senator that requires more executive experience.

Once again you avoided my question and attacked a strawman..... you cheesy little coward.

[Dan]

I'm with Solar. The article you referenced is an opinion piece. And your personal rantings seem bitter and subjective at best. No wonder you stick with insults and generalizations. You're lousy ith the details.

[Pagan]

First, I asked why you weren't slamming the Obama even though none off their senior staff have ever had to make a payroll or ever built anything in the private sector. I didn't say you supported the man. I asked you why you had not criticized someone in a more powerful position than US senator that requires more executive experience.

Once again you avoided my question and attacked a strawman..... you cheesy little coward.

So because I'm frustrated that the GOP puts up a pathetic candidate to challenge Boxer and don't just immediate Parrot Obama slams in blind support of a Fiorina I'm a liberal?

As for coward, I sure haven't been the one editing posts of those with differing opinions.   ::)

[Pagan]

I'm with Solar. The article you referenced is an opinion piece. And your personal rantings seem bitter and subjective at best. No wonder you stick with insults and generalizations. You're lousy ith the details.

Really?

So 20 years working with HP professionally and the opinions those in the business world mean nothing then?

So Slick, instead of insults why don't you tell me why Fiorina was fired for incompetence eh?

[taxed]

I've worked at the Professional level with HP for a couple of decades.  My "opinion" of her is not a minority, bottom line is summed up with my previous post -

28,000 – The number of HP workers laid off under Carly Fiorina's tenure.
50% – The decline in HP's stock value during Fiorina's 5 ½ years on the job.
8 – The number of times Fiorina missed profit expectations in her 21 financial quarters at HP; this was more than double the combined misses of IBM and Dell during the same period.
$42 million – Value of severance package that HP gave Fiorina in order to get rid of her.

She was arrogant, biased, played favorites made shitty decisions like buying Compaq.  She trashed a company that once had reputation of being one of the best, so the company fired her.

I've posted and backed up my opinion of her, so please tell me what makes her so a great "find"?

Maybe I should type slower so your brain can process my question better.  I too have plenty of insight of HP, and what you say is correct.  She wasn't going to win World's Best CEO anytime soon.

However, my question to YOU is HOW is she a bad CEO?

- Laying off employees doesn't mean she is a bad CEO.  Do you understand that?

- The stock decline -- why did that happen?  Do you know?

- Missing "the number" from Wall Street doesn't make her a bad CEO, and in fact, I would argue the other way a lot of times.  I am not sure you really understand what it means to make the number, and what some CEOs do to bring up their EPS.  Educate yourself on that, please.

- Being arrogant, etc., doesn't make someone a bad CEO.

- Getting a $42mm payout doesn't make you a crappy CEO.

- Regarding Compaq, whose decision was it to push the Compaq deal?

Again, I am not a Fiorina fan either, but if you are going to trash the lady, PLEASE do everyone a favor and back up your position.  Otherwise, you are just parroting corporate gossip.

[Solar]

Really?

So 20 years working with HP professionally and the opinions those in the business world mean nothing then?

So Slick, instead of insults why don't you tell me why Fiorina was fired for incompetence eh?

Still don't see any evidence of your claims.
And again, no opinion piece, just the facts.