Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 24, 2012, 09:37:14 AM

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-demographic-survey-results-will-surprise-you.php


Highly educated
92.1% of the sample reported "some college, a college degree, or a graduate degree."

They have jobs
50.4% reported full-time employment, and "an additional 20.4% were employed part-time."
Age varies widely
As Rutfkoff explained: "While 49% of protesters are under 30, more than 28% are 40 or older," roughly coinciding with Cordero-Guzmán's findings.








It amazes me how many will allow an opportunity to really stand up to corruption allude them simply because they dislike a group of people. Find the commonality and face off against the common enemy, afterward,, if we must, we can go back to fighting each other once again. As of right now though, corporations are stealing from us by using our supposed representation in orderr to shovel them our tax dollars.

Sheesh!!! It's not even a real survey!

One of the ways to measure increasing interest and levels of participation and involvement in Occupy Wall Street is by tracking the level of traffic to the main site for the protests occupywallst.org. Traffic on the site averaged close to 400,000 visits per day for the week of October 2. On October 5, for example, there were close to 350,346 visits to occupywallst.org and a survey was added to the site to measure levels of interest and involvement in Occupy Wall Street and to get a sense of the characteristics of persons visiting the site. Close to 1,890 persons began the survey and we have completed information on 1,619 respondents who answered the survey that was put up on the main occupywallstreet site.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 24, 2012, 09:46:52 AM
So. By by YOUR standard, if one tasteless joke, makes all Tea Party members "racist";

When did I say that one racist joke makes all the tea party racist?  LOL, You wont be able to find it, cause I didn't. Ive actually said that there are bad people within both the OWS and the tea party but that they are not the majority.

Quote from: JustKari on August 24, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
The thing that makes just about every published poll out their completely false, is that it must be an absolutely RANDOM sampling of people in order to be accurate, if it isn't, your data will always be skewed to look roughly like the people performing the poll.

The thing is I dont care if the people that are OWS are young or old, because what they say they're upset with, "corporate greed and bought representatives are stealing from us", is what matters. That's why Im pushing for a union of the two groups. Ive talked to OWS folk, as well as Tea party people, and they all seem to be upset about the fact that-

Quote from: kramarat on August 23, 2012, 08:48:37 PM
Our typical politicians and corporate types, are looking to line their own pockets.

Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2012, 01:57:54 PM
Sheesh!!! It's not even a real survey!

"A demographic of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement is emerging and researchers say for every younger person there is someone in their 40s"

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-shows-politics-age-diversity/1#.UDhzRtaPWUM

People are still talking up OWS?

That's like trying to convince people Phil Collins is still cool.....

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 24, 2012, 11:42:21 PM

"A demographic of the Occupy Wall Street protest movement is emerging and researchers say for every younger person there is someone in their 40s"

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-shows-politics-age-diversity/1#.UDhzRtaPWUM

Get real, Updated 2011-11-01 6:45 PM ?
Not only is it an old article, but one that has been regurgitated because the cause of the communist movement is being exposed and people simply don't want to be associated with them.
On the obverse, the Tea party is growing. What does that tell ya?

Quote from: Solar on August 25, 2012, 06:21:02 AM
Get real, Updated 2011-11-01 6:45 PM ?
Not only is it an old article, but one that has been regurgitated because the cause of the communist movement is being exposed and people simply don't want to be associated with them.
On the obverse, the Tea party is growing. What does that tell ya?

The article was to show the demographic/age diversity of the OWS movement, just because the people rallied last year doesnt take away from the point that the people within were not just "kids" like you guys were trying to claim.

Either way, the people are still upset about corporate greed and government corruption, that is the commonality that both groups should grasp in order to form an alliance that could really make a difference.

http://www.nmtelegram.com/2012/04/17/the-incredible-shrinking-tea-party/


"Tea Party organizers say they are working behind the scenes by writing emails to their representatives in Congress and giving them phone calls — but the dwindling numbers and attention on their trademark event has to be worrying to organizers and Republican candidates looking to harness the enthusiasm as they did in 2010."



Fact is, Solar, we Americans have very short attention spans, and that helps our corrupt reps take from us to give to corrupt businesses, thats why we need to figure out a way to combine forces, as well as motivate the masses.. Or, sadly, we're just going to keep getting the short end. 

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 25, 2012, 12:50:22 AM
People are still talking up OWS?

That's like trying to convince people Phil Collins is still cool.....

Phil Collins "Gorilla Drummer" Cadbury Ad (Dairy Milk)

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 25, 2012, 11:19:08 PM


The article was to show the demographic/age diversity of the OWS movement, just because the people rallied last year doesnt take away from the point that the people within were not just "kids" like you guys were trying to claim.

Either way, the people are still upset about corporate greed and government corruption, that is the commonality that both groups should grasp in order to form an alliance that could really make a difference.

How thick can you be? I've explained, that one group is angry at rich people and corporate entities and want Govt to do something about it, while the other group wants to strip Govt of being able to interfere with business, so they are kicking people out of govt that don't agree.
There is no common ground between the two.

You hate murderers, I hate murderers, but that in no way makes us on the same side.

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http://www.nmtelegram.com/2012/04/17/the-incredible-shrinking-tea-party/


"Tea Party organizers say they are working behind the scenes by writing emails to their representatives in Congress and giving them phone calls — but the dwindling numbers and attention on their trademark event has to be worrying to organizers and Republican candidates looking to harness the enthusiasm as they did in 2010."

If you actually understood Conservatives, you would understand just how out of touch the author of the article is.
They said the very same thing before the mid term elections, and they're saying the same now, only to be dumbfounded come Nov.

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Fact is, Solar, we Americans have very short attention spans, and that helps our corrupt reps take from us to give to corrupt businesses, thats why we need to figure out a way to combine forces, as well as motivate the masses.. Or, sadly, we're just going to keep getting the short end.

That would be great, but it's never going to happen, these two groups work off of a different set of ethics and values, one was brought up to respect people and their property, while the other group learned to despise anyone with money and power, in other words, they hate Capitalists, while the other distrusts govt.

One wants to change Govt, the other wants to give Govt more power.
There is also the age difference in the groups, one is older and wiser for one simple reason, experience, while the other is extremely impressionable and susceptible to being swayed by their emotions.

Take you for example, you are very emotional about the cause of the OWS and are trying to imprint those emotions on both groups as if they have a commonality.
Step back and look at the two, one is being played by a Marxist group with ulterior motives, while the other is uniting under one premise, shrink Govt, yet you seem unable to grasp these concepts, simply because you have neither the experience, or a ruler in which to measure the movements against in time by decades.

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2012, 06:57:53 AM
How thick can you be? I've explained, that one group is angry at rich people and corporate entities and want Govt to do something about it, while the other group wants to strip Govt of being able to interfere with business, so they are kicking people out of govt that don't agree.

How bought must you be that you'd deny the fact that corrupt business is buying the politicians , not to mention the fact that money is what buys a reps ability to gain office.

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2012, 06:57:53 AM
You hate murderers, I hate murderers, but that in no way makes us on the same side.If you actually understood Conservatives, you would understand just how out of touch the author of the article is.
They said the very same thing before the mid term elections, and they're saying the same now, only to be dumbfounded come Nov.

Come Nov nothing will change, cause we are segregated by people that believe one side is completely right and the other side is completely wrong. We are being played. It's your emotions and the emotions of those on the other side that keep us from finding common ground and stomping out a real terror to our democracy.

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2012, 06:57:53 AM
Take you for example, you are very emotional about the cause of the OWS and are trying to imprint those emotions on both groups as if they have a commonality.
Step back and look at the two, one is being played by a Marxist group with ulterior motives, while the other is uniting under one premise, shrink Govt, yet you seem unable to grasp these concepts, simply because you have neither the experience, or a ruler in which to measure the movements against in time by decades.

To speak on such subjects with no emotion would be strange because we're not computers, but its you guys that have called others names and spoken from true unbalanced emotion. Im simply speaking on an obvious point about a real common enemy.  You seem to believe that the evil Liberals are the ones that are full of emotion and conservatives hold all the logic, though you look past many of your illogical arguments and all the emotions you and your ilk display. Its, to be frank, hypocritical.

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2012, 06:57:53 AM
Step back and look at the two, one is being played by a Marxist group with ulterior motives, while the other is uniting under one premise, shrink Govt, yet you seem unable to grasp these concepts, simply because you have neither the experience, or a ruler in which to measure the movements against in time by decades.

Step back, and look at the two, one is being played, and so is the other. We are all being played by a small group of people, in comparison, and we're all being stolen from by a snake with several heads. That's the problem, it has the same base, but keeps us at each others throats by spitting lies in every direction.

We will eventually have to drop the "I want little government" and " I want no corporations" arguments and get down to the real issue.  Corrupt government + corrupt corporations+ segregated public= economic dictatorship.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 26, 2012, 11:49:02 AM

How bought must you be that you'd deny the fact that corrupt business is buying the politicians , not to mention the fact that money is what buys a reps ability to gain office.

This is the whole purpose behind the Tea party movement, stripping politicians of power, shrinking govt and usurping their power over business.
Remove that and there would be no issue, but to castrate business in an effort to control corruption is simply stupid, you merely give more control to Govt over business, in turn exacerbating the problem.
Can you not see that?

QuoteCome Nov nothing will change, cause we are segregated by people that believe one side is completely right and the other side is completely wrong. We are being played. It's your emotions and the emotions of those on the other side that keep us from finding common ground and stomping out a real terror to our democracy.

Again, there is only one solution, shrink Govt.

QuoteTo speak on such subjects with no emotion would be strange because we're not computers, but its you guys that have called others names and spoken from true unbalanced emotion. Im simply speaking on an obvious point about a real common enemy.  You seem to believe that the evil Liberals are the ones that are full of emotion and conservatives hold all the logic, though you look past many of your illogical arguments and all the emotions you and your ilk display. Its, to be frank, hypocritical.

Logic son, we want to fix the problem both parties created solely for one reason, power.
But to ignore the left and their need for social programs, programs that are killing us is simply blind, and yes, they are all about emotion, nothing less.

QuoteStep back, and look at the two, one is being played, and so is the other. We are all being played by a small group of people, in comparison, and we're all being stolen from by a snake with two several heads. That's the problem, it has the same base, but keeps us at each others throats by spitting lies in every direction.

Why are you under the impression that the Tea party is being controlled by an external force, like that of the OWS?

QuoteWe will eventually have to drop the "I want no little government" and " I want no corporations" arguments and get down to the real issue.  Corrupt government + corrupt corporations+ segregated public= economic dictatorship.

Think for a moment, where does the power come from, that these so called corrupt corporations get their power?
Critical thinking, I repeat, Critical Thinking!

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2012, 12:00:46 PM
Think for a moment, where does the power come from, that these so called corrupt corporations get their power?
Critical thinking, I repeat, Critical Thinking!

Apply logic and think for a moment, Solar. Step out of the box and realize that the power provided by corrupt government to corrupt corporations will not simply go away by shrinking government. Lessening restrictions on proven corrupt businesses will just allow for more corruption, especially with the current laws in place. 

The problem is that you seem to want to blame government for their corrupt ways but wish to  allow those that supply the means of corruption a pass.  If you'll think logically you'll realize that it's the collusion of corrupt businesses and those 'that want to line their pockets in government', Like Rat said, that's the real problem. 

Now, should we give more control over business to government? No, we should, however, give more control over businesses, the ones that take taxpayer money, to the people. If we're going to be forced into shoveling our tax dollars to thieving industries than we should at least receive royalties or something. 


As far as the tea party being controlled, and the OWS, its as I said, they're being controlled by the lies they follow. The "less government" / "evil corporations" mind sets, or even the "Obama's a Marxist that hates the country so you need to vote for Romney even though you dont like him, cause he's the lesser of the two evils"... The list goes on, and the lies go on.  Sadly this is how the powers that be control us, they keep us picking corrupt reps by way of our emotions rather than allowing for a less divided Nation. We're our own enemy and the ones that profit are thankful for it.

Are there good beliefs within the tea party? Yes.. Are there good beliefs within the OWS? Yes... We just need to combine those good things, and by doing so I believe will be much better off.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 26, 2012, 03:15:04 PM


Apply logic and think for a moment, Solar. Step out of the box and realize that the power provided by corrupt government to corrupt corporations will not simply go away by shrinking government. Lessening restrictions on proven corrupt businesses will just allow for more corruption, especially with the current laws in place. 

The problem is that you seem to want to blame government for their corrupt ways but wish to  allow those that supply the means of corruption a pass.  If you'll think logically you'll realize that it's the collusion of corrupt businesses and those 'that want to line their pockets in government', Like Rat said, that's the real problem. 

Now, should we give more control over business to government? No, we should, however, give more control over businesses, the ones that take taxpayer money, to the people. If we're going to be forced into shoveling our tax dollars to thieving industries than we should at least receive royalties or something. 

Who writes the laws that governs business?
Critical thinking son.

QuoteAs far as the tea party being controlled, and the OWS, its as I said, they're being controlled by the lies they follow. The "less government" / "evil corporations" mind sets, or even the "Obama's a Marxist that hates the country so you need to vote for Romney even though you dont like him, cause he's the lesser of the two evils"... The list goes on, and the lies go on.  Sadly this is how the powers that be control us, they keep us picking corrupt reps by way of our emotions rather than allowing for a less divided Nation. We're our own enemy and the ones that profit are thankful for it.

Are there good beliefs within the tea party? Yes.. Are there good beliefs within the OWS? Yes... We just need to combine those good things, and by doing so I believe will be much better off.

I give up, you just don't get it, I gave you solid proof as to what is behind the OWS movement, yet you continue to claim the Tea party is backed by lies, yet can't seem to come up with any evidence, so get busy, show me that proof, or STFU!

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 26, 2012, 03:15:04 PM


Apply logic and think for a moment, Solar. Step out of the box and realize that the power provided by corrupt government to corrupt corporations will not simply go away by shrinking government. Lessening restrictions on proven corrupt businesses will just allow for more corruption, especially with the current laws in place. 

The problem is that you seem to want to blame government for their corrupt ways but wish to  allow those that supply the means of corruption a pass.  If you'll think logically you'll realize that it's the collusion of corrupt businesses and those 'that want to line their pockets in government', Like Rat said, that's the real problem. 

Now, should we give more control over business to government? No, we should, however, give more control over businesses, the ones that take taxpayer money, to the people. If we're going to be forced into shoveling our tax dollars to thieving industries than we should at least receive royalties or something. 


As far as the tea party being controlled, and the OWS, its as I said, they're being controlled by the lies they follow. The "less government" / "evil corporations" mind sets, or even the "Obama's a Marxist that hates the country so you need to vote for Romney even though you dont like him, cause he's the lesser of the two evils"... The list goes on, and the lies go on.  Sadly this is how the powers that be control us, they keep us picking corrupt reps by way of our emotions rather than allowing for a less divided Nation. We're our own enemy and the ones that profit are thankful for it.

Are there good beliefs within the tea party? Yes.. Are there good beliefs within the OWS? Yes... We just need to combine those good things, and by doing so I believe will be much better off.

Fish, this isn't a place for you to wax about your Marxism and anti-capitalism.  You need to start discussing.

Quote from: taxed on August 26, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
Fish, this isn't a place for you to wax about your Marxism and anti-capitalism.  You need to start discussing.

That would require him to absorb what the other person is saying.
He has yet to see that OWS and Tea party have absolutely nothing in common, other than we are humans, and even that is open for debate after seeing some of the OWS protests.