Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 04, 2021, 04:54:16 PMYou lie...

You are defending Critical Race Theory like you are hardcore lefty Democrat.

Well I guess that explains why he is defending a theory that is based on lies and opinions.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 12:19:38 PMCompletely beside the point. Democrats had their attempt at creating unnecessary fear about Trump having access to the button, and now Republicans are doing the same thing. All partisan nonsense.

Once again you make the mistake of equalizing the sides. The reality of the situation is that the dems are enemies of the state, while conservatives are patriots putting America first.

Can you name a single partisan thing the conservatives are saying about Biden that is unfounded? No you cannot, because only one side uses those kind of tactics. Only one side is dishonest. Only one side believes in moral relativism. One side is good, while one side is bad.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 12:32:10 PMThis entire discussion can be summarized in one statement:

You aren't acknowledging the difference between teaching something and teaching about something.

That is what you are confusing. No one is saying CRT wont show up in history courses, of course it will. But what the left wants is to push it. You are acting like we can control what the left will do. Thats why we cannot allow it, because give the left an inch and they will take a mile.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 01:00:55 PMYou are certainly welcome to your opinion of how things should be taught. The fact remains, that the group fear that teaching about something is indoctrination is only an opinion.  Again, I don't want this stuff taught anywhere near a public school, only at the University level in an appropriate class.

Again, you are creating a strawman. Will you admit that not a single conservative has ever suggested that CRT be blacklisted as something never spoken of? You are acting like we are treating it like he-who-shall-not-be-named or something, as if it was bad luck to talk about. Stop creating strawmen, you have been doing that alot recently.

Also stop gaslighting by acting like there is anyone on the left who wants to simply teach this. They want to indoctrinate college kids.

Also dont act like racial history is a matter of opinion. Its not opinion that slavery isnt affecting blacks today, thats fact. You have to accept that unless you can show any evidence to the contrary. Can you show any evidence of black americans suffering from slavery today? If not you have to admit you are wrong.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 02:19:11 PMSure, YOU may not want it taught anywhere, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be. It's ok to teach controversial ideas.

Will you admit that some ideas exist that are dangerous and should NEVER be taught in the classroom?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 03:54:13 PMSo much hyperbole, demonization and baseless broad-brush generalization.

Give an example of any of those or retract your statement. WE dont deal in any of those.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 04, 2021, 04:54:16 PMYou lie...

You are defending Critical Race Theory like you are hardcore lefty Democrat.

No, you're the liar by claiming to know things you don't.  I have never, that I recall, defended CRT. I simply said I could see a place where it would be reasonable to teach about it.

Quote from: Possum on July 04, 2021, 05:02:12 PMWell I guess that explains why he is defending a theory that is based on lies and opinions.

I haven't defended it. In fact, I've said it's not helpful because it teaches based on color.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 10:15:22 PMI have never, that I recall, defended CRT. I simply said I could see a place where it would be reasonable to teach about it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 10:20:27 PMI haven't defended it. In fact, I've said it's not helpful because it teaches based on color.

CRT teaches on color. That is evil, and racist.

Then, you say you can see a place to teach it.

That sounds like defending it to me.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 04, 2021, 10:52:14 PMCRT teaches on color. That is evil, and racist.

Then, you say you can see a place to teach it.

That sounds like defending it to me.

Right. I don't believe in God, but I have no issue with teaching about God in a religious studies course.  I don't support communism, Marxism, racism, sexism, etc, but I also think all those things should be taught about.... Not taught, but taught about.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 10:59:51 PMRight. I don't believe in God, but I have no issue with teaching about God in a religious studies course.  I don't support communism, Marxism, racism, sexism, etc, but I also think all those things should be taught about.... Not taught, but taught about.

Again...

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 04, 2021, 03:11:23 PMThese young people come out of school and can't even count. They are not even teaching cursive writing. How are they supposed to sign their paychecks? They are not even being taught the basics. I had to learn my times table, learn how to fill out a check, and know the difference between there, their, and they're.

We don't need to fill their heads with ideas that America is worse than it is.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 10:20:27 PMI haven't defended it. In fact, I've said it's not helpful because it teaches based on color.

Crt is all based on lies, it is based on a theory that did not happen or exist. There is nothing to learn here except that those who want to teach it do not want to teach the truth.

Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2021, 03:58:27 AMCrt is all based on lies, it is based on a theory that did not happen or exist. There is nothing to learn here except that those who want to teach it do not want to teach the truth.

It is a THEORY, like Evolution is a THEORY, not a fact, not proven, not a law but, merely ONE PERSON'S IDEA. We should NOT be teaching our children ONE PERSON'S thoughts, we should be teaching them FACTS and allow them to come to their own conclusions later in life when they have some experience.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 04, 2021, 12:19:38 PMCompletely beside the point. Democrats had their attempt at creating unnecessary fear about Trump having access to the button, and now Republicans are doing the same thing. All partisan nonsense.

Once again, you completely ignored post 151, why is that? Is it that you cannot support your argument, is it that you refused to read the entire CRT document?
Or is it you know you're wrong and your attempt to create strawmen backfired?

Yeah, the entire CRT is nothing more than an attempt to divide society, not only by race, and sex, but sexual proclivities.

Read this and tell me you don't see the problem isn't race, it has never been about race, the CRT is about destroying society, a working society built on millennia.

Intersectionality and Anti-Essentialism

As CRT developed, scholars began to see "race" itself as the product of other social forces—for example as the product of heteropatriarchy in a post-industrial, post-colonial, capitalist society—or as in the United States, in a Euro-American heteropatriarchy.

(Valdes et al., 2002, p. 2) According to Delgado & Stefancic, "Intersectionality means the examination of race, sex, class, national origin, and sexual orientation and how their combinations play out in various settings" (2001, p. 51). Because our society is organized along binaries, intersectionality is a difficult concept to research. We see things as black or white, east or west, rich or poor, right or left. When we move into the complexities of real life we recognize that we each represent multiple identities—race, class, gender, sexuality, ability, religion, and many more. We perform our identities in myriad ways and can never be certain to which of those identities others react. However, since race has been such a flashpoint in this society we almost always believe that our challenges stem solely from racial injustice. Imagine the following scenario:
A Black woman walks into a luxury car dealer. She has just come from a strenuous workout and is sweating in an old pair of sweat pants and a ratty T-shirt. She is not wearing makeup and her hair is pulled back in a ponytail. She does not look like a "typical" luxury car buyer.

During her time in the showroom she notices that the salespeople introduce themselves to everyone but her. She has stood by a high-end model for at least 10 minutes but no salesperson has asked the customary "Can I answer any questions about this car for you?" Instead she is starting to feel invisible. Car salespeople are talking to everyone else in the showroom, including those who have arrived after she did. What seems to be the problem?

Because of the way race structures our everyday life experiences it is reasonable for most people to believe that the reason the woman is not receiving any attention is her race. However, one might also argue that her less than professional appearance might make class the reason the salespeople are ignoring her. Perhaps the obvious class markers—dress, hair, and overall appearance—make her an unlikely candidate for a sale. Thus, class not race may be operating here. Or, since our society continues to maintain sexual asymmetry, perhaps the woman's gender has closed her off from receiving serious consideration as a luxury car buyer. However, CRT scholars are urged to look at the way all three identity/status categories may be operating simultaneously.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 04, 2021, 07:39:26 PMWill you admit that some ideas exist that are dangerous and should NEVER be taught in the classroom?

Yes. Even when the technology is available, which will be soon, we should never allow students or anyone else to recreate deadly viruses like smallpox.