I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.    Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.

Now in 2016,   Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee.   My preferences were Scott Walker,  Ted Cruz,  Marco Rubio,  JEB Bush,  and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.

That said,  when Trump was nominated I supported him.   And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly.   If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.   

But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort.   He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to.    Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously).    I mean come on.   He used to be a Democrat.   And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.

Yes,  I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris,  but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.    Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.

Now in 2016,   Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee.   My preferences were Scott Walker,  Ted Cruz,  Marco Rubio,  JEB Bush,  and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.

That said,  when Trump was nominated I supported him.   And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly.   If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.   

But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort.   He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to.    Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously).    I mean come on.   He used to be a Democrat.   And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.

Yes,  I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris,  but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.

See? Here's the problem, with the exception of Huckabee and Cruz, all the rest are RINO!
You are not a Conservative, you are a Republican, try and not conflate the two. You even admitted you are a "Social Conservative", meaning you care about emotional issues.

If you had been here in 2016 you'd have discovered many on this forum didn't support Trump, because he was a recent Dim, most of us assumed he was just another lying politician, we wanted Cruz the Conservative.

With that said, I'm glad Cruz lost and Trump won, and no, Trump is nowhere close to a Conservative, but as a Patriot, he's the perfect man at the perfect time in history.

Most of us could give a shit how much he spends, because it's going to cost one hell of a lot to undo the damage the Marxists in both party's inflicted on this Great Nation!

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.    Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.

Now in 2016,   Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee.   My preferences were Scott Walker,  Ted Cruz,  Marco Rubio,  JEB Bush,  and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.

That said,  when Trump was nominated I supported him.   And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly.   If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.   

But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort.   He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to.    Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously).    I mean come on.   He used to be a Democrat.   And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.

Yes,  I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris,  but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.

Hate to tell you this, but, several here on this forum did not back Trump. Personally, I thought he was the worst candidate that could have been put up. I wanted Cruz, and hopefully one day I might see that. But, when Trump started pushing his agenda, he put America first, he pushed what was good for America and what was good for business. 2016 I voted for Trump only as a vote against hillary, 2020 I voted with pride for Trump, first candidate I voted "for" since Reagan.

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
. You even admitted you are a "Social Conservative", meaning you care about emotional issues.

What's wrong with that?   Isn't your idolizing the U.S. Constitution an emotional reaction as well?

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
What's wrong with that?   Isn't your idolizing the U.S. Constitution an emotional reaction as well?

The greatest document governing the greatest Nation in history? Yes, love of country trumps the "Feelings" of social conservatives every time!
Social conservatives just want change, yet haven't the first clue how our Republic functions.

I see them akin to the NRA, they screwed from day one, support leftists if they align with their doctrine, all under the guise of protecting the 2nd, which in fact they were instrumental in destroying when they helped the govt ban sawed off shotguns and machine guns.

Yes, they took the very first whack at our Bill of Rights, claiming the very first gun Bill law in the nation!

Same for social conservatives, you'll strip our Rights to get your way!

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 01:51:14 PM


The greatest document governing the greatest Nation in history? Yes, love of country trumps the "Feelings" of social conservatives every time!
Social conservatives just want change, yet haven't the first clue how our Republic functions.

I see them akin to the NRA, they screwed from day one, support leftists if they align with their doctrine, all under the guise of protecting the 2nd, which in fact they were instrumental in destroying when they helped the govt ban sawed off shotguns and machine guns.

Yes, they took the very first whack at our Bill of Rights, claiming the very first gun Bill law in the nation!

Same for social conservatives, you'll strip our Rights to get your way!

So you have some kind of emotional obsession with "rights"?    Personally when I hear someone braying about their "rights"  I tend to reach for my shotgun.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
So you have some kind of emotional obsession with "rights"?    Personally when I hear someone braying about their "rights"  I tend to reach for my shotgun.

I'll bet you didn't have a single clue that what I just posted is the truth, and here you think you'll always have the Right to a shotgun?
This is why I take issue with social conservatives, it's all about "Feelings", and Rights be damned!

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
I'll bet you didn't have a single clue that what I just posted is the truth, and here you think you'll always have the Right to a shotgun?
This is why I take issue with social conservatives, it's all about "Feelings", and Rights be damned!

And I have trouble with anyone utterly obsessed with a deeply flawed document written by a bunch of wealthy guys a quarter of a millennia ago.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.    Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.

Now in 2016,   Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee.   My preferences were Scott Walker,  Ted Cruz,  Marco Rubio,  JEB Bush,  and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.

That said,  when Trump was nominated I supported him.   And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly.   If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.   

But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort.   He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to.    Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously).    I mean come on.   He used to be a Democrat.   And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.

Yes,  I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris,  but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.

You can consider yourself to be a woman if you want.  A conservative you are not.  You can be a republican if you want, change your sex to X from male if you want.  But believing what you do, is screaming liberal socialist.

Jeb Bush, really???  But then you thought mcstain was some sort of American hero, when in fact he was just another RINO piece of shit.  Same with Jeb.  And Marco?? 

As to Trump winning, that was for America, conservatism in the long run isn't instilled in one man.  We have one fighter at a time.  Jefferson and Madison were here for a short time, and they showed the way.  We will have another Trump, Jefferson and Madison.  True Americans who loved their country and fought for it.  And somehow you thought Scott Walker was a long term conservative?  Or good for conservatism? 

For God's sake, read the Constitution, learn it, love it and live it.  It was not poorly written, it's not vague or outdated or in need of some changes.

Here's the perfect example for you.  Trump sent that stupid piece of shit covid bill back to congress, Joke Buydon thought it was a good bill and would have signed it.  mcstain would have signed it, Romney and Bush would have signed it.  OK?  Only an American would have sent it back to congress with a note that they could stick the damn thing up their asses.

Quote from: Pop Daddy on December 23, 2020, 05:05:13 PM


For God's sake, read the Constitution, learn it, love it and live it.  It was not poorly written, it's not vague or outdated or in need of some changes.

Then why has it been amended more than two dozen times so far?

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Then why has it been amended more than two dozen times so far?

Because we have Idiots as Representatives!

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 05:11:01 PM
Because we have Idiots as Representatives!

So you don't think slavery should've been outlawed (13th).

Or that women should have the right to vote?

Or that 18 year olds could be drafted and sent to war but couldn't vote?

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.    Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.

Now in 2016,   Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee.   My preferences were Scott Walker,  Ted Cruz,  Marco Rubio,  JEB Bush,  and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.

That said,  when Trump was nominated I supported him.   And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly.   If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.   

But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort.   He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to.    Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously).    I mean come on.   He used to be a Democrat.   And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.

Yes,  I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris,  but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.

You're not a conservative.

Quote from: taxed on December 23, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
You're not a conservative.

There is more to conservatism than slavish worship of the U.S. Constitution. 

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
There is more to conservatism than slavish worship of the U.S. Constitution.

You're not even in the ballpark.

Say something intelligent before I put you in timeout.