I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now. Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.
Now in 2016, Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee. My preferences were Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, JEB Bush, and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.
That said, when Trump was nominated I supported him. And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly. If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.
But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort. He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to. Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously). I mean come on. He used to be a Democrat. And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.
Yes, I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris, but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now. Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.
Now in 2016, Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee. My preferences were Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, JEB Bush, and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.
That said, when Trump was nominated I supported him. And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly. If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.
But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort. He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to. Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously). I mean come on. He used to be a Democrat. And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.
Yes, I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris, but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.
See? Here's the problem, with the exception of Huckabee and Cruz, all the rest are RINO!
You are not a Conservative, you are a Republican, try and not conflate the two. You even admitted you are a "Social Conservative", meaning you care about emotional issues.
If you had been here in 2016 you'd have discovered many on this forum didn't support Trump, because he was a recent Dim, most of us assumed he was just another lying politician, we wanted Cruz the Conservative.
With that said, I'm glad Cruz lost and Trump won, and no, Trump is nowhere close to a Conservative, but as a Patriot, he's the perfect man at the perfect time in history.
Most of us could give a shit how much he spends, because it's going to cost one hell of a lot to undo the damage the Marxists in both party's inflicted on this Great Nation!
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now. Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.
Now in 2016, Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee. My preferences were Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, JEB Bush, and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.
That said, when Trump was nominated I supported him. And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly. If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.
But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort. He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to. Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously). I mean come on. He used to be a Democrat. And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.
Yes, I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris, but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.
Hate to tell you this, but, several here on this forum did not back Trump. Personally, I thought he was the worst candidate that could have been put up. I wanted Cruz, and hopefully one day I might see that. But, when Trump started pushing his agenda, he put America first, he pushed what was good for America and what was good for business. 2016 I voted for Trump only as a vote against hillary, 2020 I voted with pride for Trump, first candidate I voted "for" since Reagan.
Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
. You even admitted you are a "Social Conservative", meaning you care about emotional issues.
What's wrong with that? Isn't your idolizing the U.S. Constitution an emotional reaction as well?
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:42:30 PM
What's wrong with that? Isn't your idolizing the U.S. Constitution an emotional reaction as well?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The greatest document governing the greatest Nation in history? Yes, love of country trumps the "Feelings" of social conservatives every time!
Social conservatives just want change, yet haven't the first clue how our Republic functions.
I see them akin to the NRA, they screwed from day one, support leftists if they align with their doctrine, all under the guise of protecting the 2nd, which in fact they were instrumental in destroying when they helped the govt ban sawed off shotguns and machine guns.
Yes, they took the very first whack at our Bill of Rights, claiming the very first gun Bill law in the nation!
Same for social conservatives, you'll strip our Rights to get your way!
Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 01:51:14 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The greatest document governing the greatest Nation in history? Yes, love of country trumps the "Feelings" of social conservatives every time!
Social conservatives just want change, yet haven't the first clue how our Republic functions.
I see them akin to the NRA, they screwed from day one, support leftists if they align with their doctrine, all under the guise of protecting the 2nd, which in fact they were instrumental in destroying when they helped the govt ban sawed off shotguns and machine guns.
Yes, they took the very first whack at our Bill of Rights, claiming the very first gun Bill law in the nation!
Same for social conservatives, you'll strip our Rights to get your way!
So you have some kind of emotional obsession with "rights"? Personally when I hear someone braying about their "rights" I tend to reach for my shotgun.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
So you have some kind of emotional obsession with "rights"? Personally when I hear someone braying about their "rights" I tend to reach for my shotgun.
I'll bet you didn't have a single clue that what I just posted is the truth, and here you think you'll always have the Right to a shotgun?
This is why I take issue with social conservatives, it's all about "Feelings", and Rights be damned!
Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 02:27:46 PM
I'll bet you didn't have a single clue that what I just posted is the truth, and here you think you'll always have the Right to a shotgun?
This is why I take issue with social conservatives, it's all about "Feelings", and Rights be damned!
And I have trouble with anyone utterly obsessed with a deeply flawed document written by a bunch of wealthy guys a quarter of a millennia ago.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now. Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.
Now in 2016, Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee. My preferences were Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, JEB Bush, and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.
That said, when Trump was nominated I supported him. And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly. If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.
But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort. He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to. Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously). I mean come on. He used to be a Democrat. And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.
Yes, I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris, but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.
You can consider yourself to be a woman if you want. A conservative you are not. You can be a republican if you want, change your sex to X from male if you want. But believing what you do, is screaming liberal socialist.
Jeb Bush, really??? But then you thought mcstain was some sort of American hero, when in fact he was just another RINO piece of shit. Same with Jeb. And Marco??
As to Trump winning, that was for America, conservatism in the long run isn't instilled in one man. We have one fighter at a time. Jefferson and Madison were here for a short time, and they showed the way. We will have another Trump, Jefferson and Madison. True Americans who loved their country and fought for it. And somehow you thought Scott Walker was a long term conservative? Or good for conservatism?
For God's sake, read the Constitution, learn it, love it and live it. It was not poorly written, it's not vague or outdated or in need of some changes.
Here's the perfect example for you. Trump sent that stupid piece of shit covid bill back to congress, Joke Buydon thought it was a good bill and would have signed it. mcstain would have signed it, Romney and Bush would have signed it. OK? Only an American would have sent it back to congress with a note that they could stick the damn thing up their asses.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on December 23, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
For God's sake, read the Constitution, learn it, love it and live it. It was not poorly written, it's not vague or outdated or in need of some changes.
Then why has it been amended more than two dozen times so far?
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Then why has it been amended more than two dozen times so far?
Because we have Idiots as Representatives!
Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 05:11:01 PM
Because we have Idiots as Representatives!
So you don't think slavery should've been outlawed (13th).
Or that women should have the right to vote?
Or that 18 year olds could be drafted and sent to war but couldn't vote?
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now. Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.
Now in 2016, Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee. My preferences were Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, JEB Bush, and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.
That said, when Trump was nominated I supported him. And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly. If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.
But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort. He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to. Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously). I mean come on. He used to be a Democrat. And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.
Yes, I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris, but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.
You're not a conservative.
Quote from: taxed on December 23, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
You're not a conservative.
There is more to conservatism than slavish worship of the U.S. Constitution.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
There is more to conservatism than slavish worship of the U.S. Constitution.
You're not even in the ballpark.
Say something intelligent before I put you in timeout.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 05:26:39 PM
So you don't think slavery should've been outlawed (13th).
Or that women should have the right to vote?
Or that 18 year olds could be drafted and sent to war but couldn't vote?
If one were to actually followed the Constitution not a single Amendment was needed. We didn't need an Amendment to allow women to vote, just say, hey, OK, women can vote, same with slavery, it was illegal from the start (All men are created Equal).
The govt shouldn't have been drafting kids to begin with, again, simply pass a law that anyone who serves in the military are automatically afforded the Right to vote regardless of age.
These Amendments were all political, look it up!
Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 06:27:57 PM
If one were to actually followed the Constitution not a single Amendment was needed. We didn't need an Amendment to allow women to vote, just say, hey, OK, women can vote, same with slavery, it was illegal from the start (All men are created Equal).
The govt shouldn't have been drafting kids to begin with, again, simply pass a law that anyone who serves in the military are automatically afforded the Right to vote regardless of age.
These Amendments were all political, look it up!
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this. Not from conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anyone. And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this. Not from conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anyone. And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.
No. not in the Constitution, rather the Constitutional convention, and it had everything to do with taxation and Representation.
https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/6/three-fifths-clause
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this. Not from conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anyone. And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.
Proof?
For me it's important, that Trump stoped or at least tried to stop globalisation. Globalisation is responsible for tens of millions of lost jobs, very significant fall of the living standard in the west, and for indebting of lots of coutries. That is why for me Donald J. Trump is an ultimative conservative icon.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
I've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now. Most Republican nominees were not as conservative as I preferred but they were invariably more conservative than the Democratic alternative.
Now in 2016, Donald Trump was literally the LAST person running for the Republican nomination that I preferred to be the nominee. My preferences were Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, JEB Bush, and Mike Huckabee more or less in that order.
That said, when Trump was nominated I supported him. And over the last four years I've supported him reliably and defended him repeatedly. If nothing else for the policies his administration advanced.
But I thought most conservatives understood that Donald Trump was only a last resort. He never had any conservative positions of his own that he was committed to. Yet I come here and here a bunch of professed conservatives acting as though Donald Trump is the messiah (seriously). I mean come on. He used to be a Democrat. And he has always been part of the so called "celebrity culture" that isn't known for being friendly to conservatives.
Yes, I voted for President Trump's reelection because the alternative is the horrid Biden and Harris, but I don't lie to myself that Trump winning would be a victory for conservatism in the long run.
I stopped reading right there....you're a leftist....
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this. Not from conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anyone. And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.
Too bad, if you had you might not be the flaming liberal you are today.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this. Not from conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anyone. And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.
Show proof or recant.
Here is the United States Constitution of America
https://www.senate.gov/civics/resources/pdf/US_Constitution-Senate_Publication_103-21.pdf
Quote from: Owebo on December 24, 2020, 12:34:48 AM
I stopped reading right there....you're a leftist....
you forgot the word, "Troll".
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:08:14 PM
There is more to conservatism than slavish worship of the U.S. Constitution.
I've yet to see anyone falling down on their knees and worshiping. That's just a Troll talking.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
I have never heard any arguments remotely like this. Not from conservatives, liberals, libertarians, anyone. And remember that the Constitution counted slaves as 3/5s of a person so literally slaves were not equal to nonslaves.
Obviously he/she has never read the constitution, or forgotten it entirely.
QuoteI've considered myself a conservative Republican for the better part of three decades now.
Every RINO considers himself a staunch Republican - like Mittens.
Beginning to see it already, Liberal & Globalist Trolls crawling out of their holes & posting nonsense on Conservative sites.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 23, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
Then why has it been amended more than two dozen times so far?
Because stupid people thought they were smarter than the founding fathers. I'm guessing you also think the 17th amendment was a good idea. This will tell me if you have just one conservative bone in your body. By what you have posted, I would say you are liberal. Maybe not full blown progressive yet, but you are getting there.
The genius behind the constitution is that man is only answerable to his creator. Therefore, no government should have control over man. The well written constitution is a restraint on government stating the rights of citizens; not what government CAN do. Liberals believe the reverse. If you can't see the genius behind that concept then no one can help you understand the constitution.
You seem to be making the mistake of judging the past using today's standards. That is an emotional liberal view of history that doesn't take into account the ignorance of past generations who didn't have the science we take for granted today.
Good luck on your search for conservatism. Like Trump, I was once a democrat. Then a republican and now independent because the RINO takeover of the Republican Party.
Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2020, 06:50:19 PM
No. not in the Constitution, rather the Constitutional convention, and it had everything to do with taxation and Representation.
https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/6/three-fifths-clause
Point taken. I see the error I made.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 24, 2020, 05:29:12 AM
Point taken. I see the error I made.
Cool! It's important things like this be taken head on. Because you heard it, someone else heard it and spread it as if it were true.
It's better that all see its true origins so we can stop these in the future. This is what sets us apart from all other forums, the truth, good or bad, it must be spolen.
Quote from: BayouCountry on December 24, 2020, 05:24:32 AM
Because stupid people thought they were smarter than the founding fathers. I'm guessing you also think the 17th amendment was a good idea. This will tell me if you have just one conservative bone in your body. By what you have posted, I would say you are liberal. Maybe not full blown progressive yet, but you are getting there.
The genius behind the constitution is that man is only answerable to his creator. Therefore, no government should have control over man. The well written constitution is a restraint on government stating the rights of citizens; not what government CAN do. Liberals believe the reverse. If you can't see the genius behind that concept then no one can help you understand the constitution.
You seem to be making the mistake of judging the past using today's standards. That is an emotional liberal view of history that doesn't take into account the ignorance of past generations who didn't have the science we take for granted today.
Good luck on your search for conservatism. Like Trump, I was once a democrat. Then a republican and now independent because the RINO takeover of the Republican Party.
Hey Bayou, how you've been doing down there in Lousiana? Merry Christmas to you and your family from the land of fabulous Melanija Trump.
Quote from: european101 on December 24, 2020, 07:48:24 AM
Hey Bayou, how you've been doing down there in Lousiana? Merry Christmas to you and your family from the land of fabulous Melanija Trump.
Doin' great, thanks for askin'. Heading out soon to see the family and enjoy the grandkids. Merry Christmas to you and your family from the land of Amy Barrett.
Merry Christmas to all.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 24, 2020, 05:29:12 AM
Point taken. I see the error I made.
You know Dayton3, there just may be hope for you after all. Education is a beautiful thing. Remember, around the early 1900's when progressives began raising their marxist beliefs it was condemned and they changed their name to liberal. That went on for almost 100 years where today progressives think it's OK to use that name again.
Well it's not, it the same old marxist crap it always has been. Woodrow Wilson was a marxist/racist piece of shit president. FDR, another marxist/socialist/progressive piece of shit. Dept. of Education and the cabinet position did not exist until the another socialist/marxist/progressive piece of shit Jimmy Carter's administration. The 2A untouched for the most part until progressives felt they had a better plan. Today, progressive courts have committed sodomy on the 1A in the name of a virus. Progressivism/socialism/communism is all contra conservatism.
The original US Constitution was complete and the perfect document for a free people. And you will notice it's one of the few writings that progressives/socialist/marxist/democraps describe as a "living document". Bullshit.
I'll reserve judgement Dayton3, all though as a conservative I have no right to judge you. What you believe neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, not directly anyway, but indirectly your liberal thinking does bankrupt mine and your children's future. That is the difference between conservatism and progressivism.
So get your head straight and teach your children. We have a country to save for our children.