Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on December 22, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
I understand the position of those people who say that we should not spend even a cent on aid to other states.

But the United States is not just a big strong state. The USA is a beacon of freedom and democracy around the world.

Therefore, spending money abroad is still necessary.

It's another matter to give money to outspoken enemies of the United States, such as Russia, Pakistan, Egypt ...

But we have given and continue to give.

But in Israel, many people believe that the United States is strangling Israel with its help.

Not many Americans know that the United States, at one time, simply prohibited Israel from developing its military aircraft industry.

We are over 25 trillion in debt and democrats decimated our makers...

We have no more to give....

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on December 22, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
I understand the position of those people who say that we should not spend even a cent on aid to other states.

But the United States is not just a big strong state. The USA is a beacon of freedom and democracy around the world.

Therefore, spending money abroad is still necessary.

It's another matter to give money to outspoken enemies of the United States, such as Russia, Pakistan, Egypt ...

But we have given and continue to give.

But in Israel, many people believe that the United States is strangling Israel with its help.

Not many Americans know that the United States, at one time, simply prohibited Israel from developing its military aircraft industry.

Yes because during a global pandemic nothing is more important to Americans that sending Pakistan $25 million for gender studies. 

Quote from: Mimsy on December 22, 2020, 02:19:16 PM
Yes because during a global pandemic nothing is more important to Americans that sending Pakistan $25 million for gender studies. 

Or madero to enslave the people of Venezuela.....

Quote from: Owebo on December 22, 2020, 02:20:15 PM
Or madero to enslave the people of Venezuela.....

Instead of helping small businesses around the country survive, these corrupt rotten politicians are sending out billions in foreign aid. Which to me looks like legalized treason. Bring back the Guillotine.

Quote from: Solar on December 22, 2020, 11:45:36 AM
It was and I'm still not a Christian. Now prove this nation wasn't Founded on Judeo Christian values, it was definitely founded on Gods Law!

I used to think from that stand point, but there is little evidence such is true. Certainly not from reading the Constitution which only refers to religion twice, and that is in the First Amendment which forbids the enacting of laws requiring such, or forbidding such. Certainly some of the Founders were Christian, however, that was then and it certainly is not true today. In spite of the leanings of the "Evangelicals" there is no indication that trump was/is, or has ever been led by anything resembling the teachings of Christ, and thus their position is one of a secular POV, not a Christian POV. And morality was around long before Christ. However, show me anything in the Constitution that remotely is of Christian origin.

For instance, abortion is legal in Israel, and it is, and always has been, in the US.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 22, 2020, 02:41:21 PM
I used to think from that stand point, but there is little evidence such is true. Certainly not from reading the Constitution which only refers to religion twice, and that is in the First Amendment which forbids the enacting of laws requiring such, or forbidding such. Certainly some of the Founders were Christian, however, that was then and it certainly is not true today. In spite of the leanings of the "Evangelicals" there is no indication that trump was/is, or has ever been led by anything resembling the teachings of Christ, and thus their position is one of a secular POV, not a Christian POV. And morality was around long before Christ. However, show me anything in the Constitution that remotely is of Christian origin.

For instance, abortion is legal in Israel, and it is, and always has been, in the US.

You should try reading the Constitution then...or better yet, given your demonstrated lack of education, have some one read it to you....

Quote from: Owebo on December 22, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
We are over 25 trillion in debt and democrats decimated our makers...

We have no more to give....

But trillions to the wealthy under Bush43, and now trump, is acceptable.

The truth is in your opinion we have no more to give to the ones that need it the most. Since we create our own currency there is no limit on how much we can create.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 22, 2020, 02:47:49 PM
But trillions to the wealthy under Bush43, and now trump, is acceptable.

The truth is in your opinion we have no more to give to the ones that need it the most. Since we create our own currency there is no limit on how much we can create.

No, the 20 trillion under your Obama is not acceptable...

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 22, 2020, 02:41:21 PM
I used to think from that stand point, but there is little evidence such is true. Certainly not from reading the Constitution which only refers to religion twice, and that is in the First Amendment which forbids the enacting of laws requiring such, or forbidding such. Certainly some of the Founders were Christian, however, that was then and it certainly is not true today. In spite of the leanings of the "Evangelicals" there is no indication that trump was/is, or has ever been led by anything resembling the teachings of Christ, and thus their position is one of a secular POV, not a Christian POV. And morality was around long before Christ. However, show me anything in the Constitution that remotely is of Christian origin.

For instance, abortion is legal in Israel, and it is, and always has been, in the US.

No.   Abortion has NO always been legal in the U.S.

What do you think the big deal over Roe V.  Wade is about?   Prior to Roe v. Wade most abortions were illegal in about one third of U.S. states.

Quote from: Mimsy on December 22, 2020, 02:19:16 PM
Yes because during a global pandemic nothing is more important to Americans that sending Pakistan $25 million for gender studies. 

horse-racing integrity too!

https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/12/22/pakistani-gender-programs-horse-racing-integrity-climate-monitoring-in-tibet-just-a-few-of-the-ridiculous-things-thrown-into-the-covid-relief-omnibus-package/

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1341494553677885440?s=20

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 22, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
No.   Abortion has NO always been legal in the U.S.

What do you think the big deal over Roe V.  Wade is about?   Prior to Roe v. Wade most abortions were illegal in about one third of U.S. states.

90% of what he says is just bs. The rest is false.

Quote from: Possum on December 22, 2020, 03:19:57 PM
90% of what he says is just bs. The rest is false.

You are referring to Old Trapper?   I would swear I've seen that username somewhere else.   At a science fiction discussion board perhaps.   Or maybe another political board.

Quote from: Dayton3 on December 22, 2020, 03:23:44 PM
You are referring to Old Trapper?   I would swear I've seen that username somewhere else.   At a science fiction discussion board perhaps.   Or maybe another political board.

Yes I was.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 22, 2020, 02:41:21 PM
I used to think from that stand point, but there is little evidence such is true. Certainly not from reading the Constitution which only refers to religion twice, and that is in the First Amendment which forbids the enacting of laws requiring such, or forbidding such. Certainly some of the Founders were Christian, however, that was then and it certainly is not true today. In spite of the leanings of the "Evangelicals" there is no indication that trump was/is, or has ever been led by anything resembling the teachings of Christ, and thus their position is one of a secular POV, not a Christian POV. And morality was around long before Christ. However, show me anything in the Constitution that remotely is of Christian origin.

For instance, abortion is legal in Israel, and it is, and always has been, in the US.

It didn't need to be in the Constitution, it was already spelled out in the Declaration of Independence.

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Other references are  "Nature's God," "Creator," and "Supreme Judge," .
Point being, God had already been established as to the reason for rebellion, once secured, the Declaration was an established treatise for the following Founders Documents establishing a Republican govt.

Quote from: Solar on December 22, 2020, 04:41:57 PM
It didn't need to be in the Constitution, it was already spelled out in the Declaration of Independence.

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Other references are  "Nature's God," "Creator," and "Supreme Judge," .
Point being, God had already been established as to the reason for rebellion, once secured, the Declaration was an established treatise for the following Founders Documents establishing a Republican govt.

I see after 20 years you need to educate Old Socialist yet.  You have been living in his head rent free all these years.