Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
Wrong. They were the conservatives of their day just as Jefferson with his "3/5ths. human" declaration was, and attempts by Republicans today to eliminate the voting rights of minorities are. Even the fact that the  violations of the rights of immigrants is one of conservative "values"..

AHAHAHA your lack of education is quite humorous.

Im sorry but the progressives of the past kept slaves and were democrats. Slavery is an institution of the past. Conservatives possess a timeless philosophy which looks towards the future but learns from the mistakes of the past like slavery.

Progressives embrace the tyranny of the past while conservatives embrace the freedom of the future. Educate yourself and try again.

Quote from: RV on December 21, 2020, 04:34:40 PM
Liberal Democrats will twist, lie, deny and scuttle truth to suit their purpose. So yes, if Democrats thought it would help their "cause" and that you would believe them, they WOULD try to claim that LBJ was a Republican. Democrats have attempted to brand Conservatives with the "White Supremacist" moniker even though the KKK was created, developed and is still supported BY DEMOCRATS AND THE DNC.

Dont forget, Nazis are socialists, which the left embraces. Hitler himself was inspired by the dem slaveowners in how to handle the jews.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 03:38:40 PM
Really quite simple even for lower intellect individuals like you. Article I, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."/slaves. The Constitutional Convention addressed the apportionment in the House of Representatives and the number of electoral votes each state would have in presidential elections based on a state's population. The Southern states wanted to count the entire slave population. This would increase their number of members of Congress. The Northern delegates and others opposed to slavery wanted to count only free persons, including free blacks in the North and South. The "compromise", as it is called, minimizes the percentage of the slave population counted for apportionment and reduces the political power of slave states.

That is a basic explanation even one such as you should understand. And it legalized slavery as did many laws to follow.

Your own quote proves the right was always trying to help the slaves, thanks.

Actually it has been well documented that the founders despised slavery as an institution and planned to do away with it. They were very moral people.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 21, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
If you were to study the history of the process beginning in Ripon, Wi., you would find that that was part of the objective., and it began with 6 Democrats, and 1, or 2, Independents. The main objective was to stop the spread of slavery to the Northern States. In any event, slave owners of that day were conservatives, not liberals.

Then why did the dems support slavery if they were conservatives? No it just doesnt hold water. Conservatives have always hated slavery, while the progressives, like the southern dems, have embraced it.

Quote from: Old Trapper on December 22, 2020, 11:45:59 AM
Logic would then tell a person tat there are no "Red States" since in every State there are pockets of both.

Wrong once again. The red states have very little blue in them while the so called blue states are mostly red.

It wld be great if the blue states wld secede, cuz as soon as they did all their red counties wld secede from them, LOL all the left has are the major cities, nothing more.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 22, 2020, 12:18:37 PM
America is purple. The data proves that.

https://twitter.com/AdamMGrant/status/1324872885324935168/photo/1

No thats actually quite misleading. By far most of the country is red. You are trying to fudge the numbers by framing it in terms of population, which is a moot point. Geography(resources) is what matters and most of america is hard red.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 22, 2020, 12:37:54 PM
Wrong once again. The red states have very little blue in them while the so called blue states are mostly red.

It wld be great if the blue states wld secede, cuz as soon as they did all their red counties wld secede from them, LOL all the left has are the major cities, nothing more.

I see you've met Old Socialist.  Make sure you tape your hands because your knuckles will start bleeding soon...

Quote from: taxed on December 22, 2020, 12:40:20 PM


I see you've met Old Socialist.  Make sure you tape your hands because your knuckles will start bleeding soon...

He sounds angry.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 22, 2020, 12:40:17 PM
No thats actually quite misleading. By far most of the country is red. You are trying to fudge the numbers by framing it in terms of population, which is a moot point. Geography(resources) is what matters and most of america is hard red.

Geography doesn't vote. People do. Every State has some red and blue voters and most States are purple. It is what it is.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 22, 2020, 12:41:18 PM


He sounds angry.

Very much so... all anger, no intellect.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 22, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
Geography doesn't vote. People do. Every State has some red and blue voters and most States are purple. It is what it is.

If not for geography, you libs would starve to death, so yeah, T is correct!
Just because a bunch of leeches live in packed communities in no way makes them majority, it means we, Red States have more mouths to feed.,

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 22, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
Geography doesn't vote. People do. Every State has some red and blue voters and most States are purple. It is what it is.

Actually, most states are red....it is what it is...

Quote from: Owebo on December 22, 2020, 01:37:49 PM
Actually, most states are red....it is what it is...

Sure, if you eliminate half the population from America

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 22, 2020, 03:44:32 PM
Sure, if you eliminate half the population from America

Wrong.

Quote from: taxed on December 22, 2020, 03:45:21 PM
Wrong.

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